Islam vs. Christianity Part 4

[Bruce Klein]

Islam vs. Christianity Part 4

IV. Jihad - War
Moslems have their Jihad.

Infidels have their wars.

Which are Biblical?

A. Islam’s Jihad

Jihad = striving for the cause of Allah

Kor'an's support for Jihad

2:154, 2:190-191, 2:193, 2:216, 2:218, 2:244, 3:142, 3:157-158, 3:169, 3:171, 3:195, 4:71-77, 4:84, 4:95, 4:104, 5:35, 5:54, 8:15-16, 8:39-41, 8:45-46, 8:55-57, 8:60-62, 8:74-75, 9:5-6, 9:12-16, 9:20, 9:24, 9:29, 9:36, 9:38-41, 9:44, 9:73, 9:88-89, 9:111, 9:120-123, 22:39-40, 22:58-59, 22:78, 29:6, 29:69, 33:23, 47:4-7, 47:35, 48:16, 49:15, 57:10, 57:25, 59:2-7, 60:1-2, 61:4, 61:10-14, 66:9, 100:1-5

Moslems are to fight a Holy Jihad against all infidels as their imam (pastor) directs. Why do they fight to kill infidels? That is what the Kor’an teaches.

Looking at the Moslem's Jihad, one sees Moslems killing Moslems. Iran was fighting Iraq. Moslems were killing Moslems. This war lasted for about ten years. Some say millions were killed. Iraq invaded Kuwait. Other Moslem countries come to Kuwait’s defense. Moslems were fighting and killing other Moslems. Do you see where the strong possibility of demons being involved with the killing of people? Today in Iraq there are Moslems torturing other Moslems knowing they are going to kill them anyway. Yet they torture will electric drills, etc. Are these individuals demon possessed? Since Satan is their god, and since Satan controls the demons, it would stand to reason he wants as many people dead as soon as possible, John 10:10. Why? Many Moslems are turning to Jesus. Jesus is drawing many people to Him. Satan is in the battle to win! A dear Sister in Jesus just told me about a Palestinian man who accepted Jesus as his God, and was water baptized in the name of Jesus for the washing away of sin, by an Australian Sister. PRAISE JESUS!!!!!!! Thousands are starting to following Jesus in Afghanistan, etc. etc.

The future of Islam is like the past of communism. The god of communism is Satan. Satan came in like a flood in the politics of some countries. Jesus raised a standard against the god of communism - Satan. Islam has come in like a flood in the politics of some countries. Jesus will raise a standard against the god of Islam - Satan!

“So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.” Isaiah 59:19

B. Should Christians be involved in a physical war?

Would Jesus carry an M16 rifle?

Why do the so-called Christians endorse war?

Why do many denominations endorse war?

Do you endorse war? Why?

Should a Christian endorse war?

Christians are under the New Covenant not the Old Covenant.

What did Jesus say about physical fighting?

“Blessed [are] the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.” Matthew 5:5

“Blessed [are] the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.” Matthew 5:9

“But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.” Matthew 5:39

“But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;” Matthew 5:44

“Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.” Matthew 7:12

“But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the [one] cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not [to take thy] coat also.” Luke 6:27-29

What did Paul write?

“Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.” Romans 13:2

C. Christian's Spiritual Warfare
Paul used the power of God to subdue the tongue (The power - anointing by the Holy Spirit)

“And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.” Acts 16:18

“(For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)” 2 Corinthians 10:4

“Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;” Ephesians 6:10-18

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.” 1 Peter 5:8-9

“For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.” Romans 8:6

“For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.” 2 Timothy 1:7

“Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.” 2 Corinthians 2:11

“Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.” (In Karate the hand is the sword) Matthew 26:52

“Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. And they said, Lord, behold, here [are] two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.” Luke 22:36-38

“And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;” Mark 16:17

If you believe, you should be prepared to cast out demons.

King David could not build the temple, why? He was a man of war!

Conclusion
I am still a fundamentalist, just not a Baptist.

There are liberal and fundamental Moslems. Fundamental Moslems say there aren’t any liberal Moslems. They believe a Moslem must be following the Kor’an, or they aren’t Moslems!

There are liberal and fundamental Christians. Fundamental Christians say there aren’t any liberal Christians. They believe a Christian must be following the Bible, or they aren’t Christians!

If you are a Moslem and you want to kill me, why?

Here is a prayer:

Dear God,
I want to know who you are. I want you to love me, and I want to love you. Please help me! You are God, so you are all powerful. You are everywhere; you are all knowing. I want to go to heaven. Please reveal yourself to me. Please show me your miracles. I want to serve you. I want to worship you. Dear God, thank you for listening to me. I have sinned. Please help me not to sin. I do not want to lie anymore. I want to have a spouse who loves me. I want to be apart of a loving community. Thank you for answering my prayers.

In Jesus' name, Amen


What the Holy Bible teaches about 'how to get to heaven' is found here: http://www.freewebs.com/bibleteach/h...achristian.htm


A fantastic website about Islam: http://www.allahislam.com/


Bruce Klein, MA in Islamic Studies
MA, MDiv, ThM, ThD
Bible teacher, theologian, missionary, writer

My missionary web page:
www.freewebs.com/aim_oneness

www.freewebs.com/bibleteach

Bibleteach@hotmail.com

[Sister Phyllis]

Dr Kkein great post I jsut joined this from so have to learn how to use it

God bless
sister phyllis

[Digging4Truth]

Great posts.

I especially enjoyed your take on Christianity versus war.

If I could I would like to ask a question...

You said that the name of Allah is Satan.

From what do you draw that conclusion?

[Bruce Klein]

Hello Digging4Truth,

'Allah' means 'god' in Arabic.

Islam does not have a personal name for their god.

I am saying Satan is behind 'Allah'.

Our God's personal name is Jesus. He loves us, so allows us to use His name to address Him when praying, when casting out demons by His authority, when healing by His power, when water baptizing, etc.

Sorry for the confusion.

In Jesus,
Brother Bruce

[kenj]

Where are you condemning Christians for supporting war? Yet you condemn Muslims for it??

What a pile of wretched miserable hypocrisy, to condemn non-Christians in the name of Christ for doing things that Christians overwhelmingly do!

You are condemning no one but yourself.

[riverslivnwtr]

Where are you condemning Christians for supporting war? Yet you condemn Muslims for it??

What a pile of wretched miserable hypocrisy, to condemn non-Christians in the name of Christ for doing things that Christians overwhelmingly do!

You are condemning no one but yourself.


Bro. you made this post om my birth day so I'll answer you..

Revelation 13:9-10.......Revelation 6:14- 17........Matthew 26:52

if that can't fix you then nothing can but the Throne!!!!!!:happydance

[bbyrd009]

Where are you condemning Christians for supporting war? Yet you condemn Muslims for it??

What a pile of wretched miserable hypocrisy, to condemn non-Christians in the name of Christ for doing things that Christians overwhelmingly do!

You are condemning no one but yourself.

Amen. You misrepresent Jihad, which is not supposed to be a physical war, and you degenerate from there.

Calling you completely clueless is being nice.

[bbyrd009]

Which I guess is still rude, I apologize; but this making of enemies out of brothers is ignorant; and pointedly, why their less knowledgable brothers want to kill you.

[larrylyates]

Where are you condemning Christians for supporting war? Yet you condemn Muslims for it??

What a pile of wretched miserable hypocrisy, to condemn non-Christians in the name of Christ for doing things that Christians overwhelmingly do!

You are condemning no one but yourself.

You have me curious by your above quote, in bold. The 9/11 terrorists were islamic. The Ft. hood bomber was islamic. The U.S. Embassy attack in Benghazi was carried out by islamisst. (In fact, all of the attacks on our Embassies since 1979 were carried out by islamists). The video taped beheadings of several American hostages was carried out by islamists. The attack on the U.S. Cole, the Trade Center bombing, both islamic. The multiple incidents, around the world of Christian Churches being burned, the men killed and the women raped, all are being done by islamists. Multiple incidents Worldwideof suicide bombings And now the Boston Bombing.

I could go on, but what would be the point? Where is your evidence of any similar crimes being carried out by Christians? I'm not talking of countries that may be in armed conflict with each other. I am referring to specific acts, such as those listed, all of which are being carried out in the name of jihad. Any condemnation has been justly earned before the eyes of the world, and I have listed but a fragment of the total record of the past 13 years.

[bbyrd009]

Islam vs. Christianity Part 4 Have you lost your mind, or did you just never have one? You are remedial, at best, if you believe that anyone except other haters will care what someone whose religion endorsed the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, et al--I could go on and on (currently the world's largest arms dealer)--says. This post is literally too stupid to reply to, and you make me embarrassed to be a Christian.

I'm going to go throw up, but I will tell you in parting that Christians are directed to commune, we have Communion, and Christ was an apolitical communist, as any good Christian should be, and is. You might get a clue in Acts--but I doubt it. Of course we have been carefully indoctrinated into "Communism is bad, mmmkay," and I can agree with you that political communism, absent God, is; but you should be put away, and this thread is only any good for identifying fellow haters like yourself. Good day.

[bbyrd009]

Note that even "Islam V Christianity" is a construct invented by hate-mongers, and that neither the Bible nor the Qur'an would condone this. The thread title is purely for offense, for the offensive, and for the easily offended.

[bbyrd009]

Small wonder good people run from this site.

[Dordrecht]

Old story.....if one condemns a false religion, one is classified as "hater".

Get behind me satan.

[bbyrd009]

Old story.....if one condemns a false religion, one is classified as "hater".

Get behind me satan.There you go, make yourself feel a little better by pointing that finger. You wouldn't know a 'false religion' if it bit you in the heiney. No doubt you are ordained by a similar pack of liars. It's so sad that what the Spirit inaugurates, man defiles, and you are a perfect example. Why don't you stick to commenting on explosions, and other heinous secular yack, as that is where your qualifications lie? The Lord rebuke you.

[bbyrd009]

See? We could do this all day. What is the point? Scripture would ell you--if you ever studied it--that what you are doing is satanic. But why am I telling you this? You don't care about Scripture.

[Dordrecht]

Any more rants?

[MawMaw]

Have you lost your mind, or did you just never have one?

You asked that of Pastor B Klein.

Actually I think he is a very intelligent individual that knows
quite a bit of what he speaks.

My opinion of course vs yours.

[Praxeas]

Small wonder good people run from this site.
And leave you here? :smack

[Praxeas]

Old story.....if one condemns a false religion, one is classified as "hater".

Get behind me satan.

There you go, make yourself feel a little better by pointing that finger. You wouldn't know a 'false religion' if it bit you in the heiney. No doubt you are ordained by a similar pack of liars. It's so sad that what the Spirit inaugurates, man defiles, and you are a perfect example. Why don't you stick to commenting on explosions, and other heinous secular yack, as that is where your qualifications lie? The Lord rebuke you.

See? We could do this all day. What is the point? Scripture would ell you--if you ever studied it--that what you are doing is satanic. But why am I telling you this? You don't care about Scripture.
Buking?

[bbyrd009]

Any more rants?Um...nah. Dead horses, and all that. How'ya been? Hope you are well.

[bbyrd009]

You asked that of Pastor B Klein.

Actually I think he is a very intelligent individual that knows
quite a bit of what he speaks.

My opinion of course vs yours.:lol I think these are both good, intelligent men. It bothers me to see them ignorantly descend to this level. Yes, there are Mooslems in the world, along with the Jim Joneses; but we are directed specifically to not be pointing a finger at them. Lord knows, we have enough on our own plate; and good Muslims, which is the vast majority, are naturally offended by this.

I lived among Muslims for 30 years, and I went among them spouting off in just this manner; I was raised an Apo/Pent, just like you guys. But I was wrong, and it is wrong--and inbred--to condemn a person for their beliefs, regardless of how different they may be from yours. Coming from a pastor, it is a crime, imo. Do you (2nd 'you') 'ordained' types really want me to quote relevant Scripture @ you here? "For it is what is in a man's heart..." etc. God could not care less what 'form' a man has chosen, although I have no problem with a person defending their faith; but defending a religion? Have a good day.

[bbyrd009]

Buking?? Well, rebuking, anyway. But I meant to make a different point.

[bbyrd009]

Any more rants?:lol, I'm ranting; you're just providing useful info, huh? :lol

[bbyrd009]

And leave you here? :smack:lol touche'

[bbyrd009]

You have me curious by your above quote, in bold. The 9/11 terrorists were islamic...Mr. Yates, the point you miss here is that these 'Islamists' have left Islam, as soon as they engage in violence. It is on the very first page of the Qur'an. You have ample crime in your own religion, and wadr, are not qualified to comment upon another. Good day.

[bbyrd009]

...although, :lol, you seem to have been granted a degree in Islam, by some hate-filled institution...you are an example of "too much study," imo. Do yourself--and the rest of Christendom--a favor, if you would, and seek out this enemy you have imagined. Find a Muslim, and have dinner with them, or something. Your enemy is in your mind.

I have tested the following, and can tell you with confidence, that I would much rather be homeless in the West Bank than in New York City. You are fighting against God.

[Walks_in_islam]

Old story.....if one condemns a false religion, one is classified as "hater".

Get behind me satan.

Words of the powerless with empty heart and no message.

No wonder you fear Islam

[Dordrecht]

Words of the powerless with empty heart and no message.

No wonder you fear Islam

The Lord did not give me a spirit of fear. Jesus said the same thing, btw.
And I say it again if need be.


http://www.knightscrusaders.com/Knights_Crusaders/Muhammad_The_Myth.html

[Walks_in_islam]

The Lord did not give me a spirit of fear. Jesus said the same thing, btw.
And I say it again if need be.


http://www.knightscrusaders.com/Knights_Crusaders/Muhammad_The_Myth.html

(laughing) You only speak of Islam, never Jesus. You fear Islam.

[seekerman]

(laughing) You only speak of Islam, never Jesus. You fear Islam.

Laugh at this. This occurred today...violent Islam is an almost daily occurance, especially the violent muslims killing other violent muslim men, women and children.

"Suspected Sunni Muslim militants killed four state-backed Sunni fighters in Iraq on Saturday, security sources said, apparently viewing them as collaborators with the Shi'ite-led government of a nation plagued by sectarian hatred."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/18/us-iraq-violence-idUSBRE94H06Z20130518

What you'll find that is that not only is Islam the most violent religion on the face of the earth, but that the muslim on the forum is typical of muslims who will not address the inherent violence in the Islamic RELIGION.

"In other violence, tribesmen clashed with security forces and set four of their vehicles ablaze after a woman and three of her young children were killed in an army raid north of Ramadi."

Yet another example, in hundreds and hundreds of examples, that proves that baby killing Islam is the most violent RELIGION on the face of the earth today.

[Walks_in_islam]

Laugh at this. This occurred today...violent Islam is an almost daily occurance, especially the violent muslims killing other violent muslim men, women and children.

"Suspected Sunni Muslim militants killed four state-backed Sunni fighters in Iraq on Saturday, security sources said, apparently viewing them as collaborators with the Shi'ite-led government of a nation plagued by sectarian hatred."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/18/us-iraq-violence-idUSBRE94H06Z20130518

What you'll find that is that not only is Islam the most violent religion on the face of the earth, but that the muslim on the forum is typical of muslims who will not address the inherent violence in the Islamic RELIGION.

"In other violence, tribesmen clashed with security forces and set four of their vehicles ablaze after a woman and three of her young children were killed in an army raid north of Ramadi."

Yet another example, in hundreds and hundreds of examples, that proves that baby killing Islam is the most violent RELIGION on the face of the earth today.

You are calling this civil war in Iraq religious or some kind of "jihad"?

Baby killing bleh

http://www.livingunderdrones.org/

Where's your outrage? OH I forgot - they're just Muslim babies. Who cares, right?

It is your money who funded and the president you voted for who kicked off this whole adventure. Was it worth it?

Moral: If you sleep with dogs you will probably wake up with fleas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqZ-ToXjCz0

Look at how young and healthy ole Rumsfield was when he was handshaking with his buddy Saddam Hussein! And check out Reagan and his Taliban buds.

Laugh at that. How in the world am I or anyone is supposed to "address" these long-past policies - genius

[seekerman]

You are calling this civil war in Iraq religious or some kind of "jihad"?

Baby killing bleh

http://www.livingunderdrones.org/

Where's your outrage? OH I forgot - they're just Muslim babies. Who cares, right?

It is your money who funded and the president you voted for who kicked off this whole adventure. Was it worth it?

Moral: If you sleep with dogs you will probably wake up with fleas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqZ-ToXjCz0

Look at how young and healthy ole Rumsfield was when he was handshaking with his buddy Saddam Hussein! And check out Reagan and his Taliban buds.

Laugh at that. How in the world am I or anyone is supposed to "address" these long-past policies - genius

What is it that's inherent in Islam that makes it the most violent RELIGION on the face of the earth TODAY.

"In other violence, tribesmen clashed with security forces and set four of their vehicles ablaze after a woman and three of her young children were killed in an army raid north of Ramadi."

This is such a common occurance in the RELIGION of Islam TODAY. Kill. Maim. Oppress. Kill. Kill. Maim. Oppress.

It makes no difference if it's man, woman or child, kill, kill, maim, kill.

Islam is the most violent RELIGION on the face of the earth TODAY.

[Walks_in_islam]

What is it that's inherent in Islam that makes it the most violent RELIGION on the face of the earth TODAY.

"In other violence, tribesmen clashed with security forces and set four of their vehicles ablaze after a woman and three of her young children were killed in an army raid north of Ramadi."

This is such a common occurance in the RELIGION of Islam TODAY. Kill. Maim. Oppress. Kill. Kill. Maim. Oppress.

It makes no difference if it's man, woman or child, kill, kill, maim, kill.

Islam is the most violent RELIGION on the face of the earth TODAY.

Sure LOL

Lets set aside church history from the Council of Nicea to the Inquisitions for a bit and focus on the church today.

"List of cool stuff that peaceful christians do in their spare time"

The Gunpowder Plot was a failed attempt to blow up the Palace of Westminster, the English seat of government

The Orange Volunteers are a group infamous for carrying out simultaneous terrorist attacks on Catholic churches

Self-styled pastors Clifford Peeples, previously convicted under the Prevention of Terrorism Act, John Somerville, and their associates, were dubbed by RUC chief constable, Ronnie Flanagan "the demon pastors" – specialising in recounting lurid stories of Catholic savagery towards Protestants, and in finding biblical justifications for Protestant retaliation.

The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT), a rebel group operating in Tripura, North-East India, has been described as engaging in terrorist violence motivated by their Christian beliefs. It is classified by the National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism as one of the ten most active terrorist groups in the world, and has been accused of forcefully converting people to Christianity

The insurgency in Nagaland was originally led by the National Socialist Council of Nagaland (NSCN), and it is continued today by a faction named "NSCN–Isaac Muivah", which explicitly calls for a "Nagalim for Christ

The state government reports that the Baptist Church of Tripura supplies arms and gives financial support to the NLFT. In April 2000, the secretary of the Noapara Baptist Church in Tripura, Nagmanlal Halam, was arrested with a large quantity of explosives. He confessed to illegally buying and supplying explosives to the NLFT for two years. The NLFT has threatened to kill Hindus celebrating the annual five-day religious festival of Durga Puja and other religious celebrations. At least 20 Hindus in Tripura have been killed by the NLFT in two years for resisting forced conversion to Christianity. A leader of the Jamatia tribe, Rampada Jamatia, said that armed NLFT militants were forcibly converting tribal villagers to Christianity, which he said was a serious threat to Hinduism. It is believed that as many as 5,000 tribal villagers were converted over two years. These forcible conversions to Christianity, sometimes including the use of "rape as a means of intimidation," have also been noted by academics outside of India

In Assam in 2009, the Manmasi National Christian Army (MNCA), an extremist group from the Hmar tribe, were charged with forcing Hindus to convert at gunpoint. Seven or more Hmar youths were charged with visiting Bhuvan Pahar, a Hindu village, armed with guns, and pressuring residents to convert to Christianity. They also desecrated temples by painting crosses on the walls with their blood

In 2007 a tribal spiritual Hindu monk, Swami Lakshmanananda Saraswati, accused Radhakant Nayak, chief of a local chapter of World Vision, and a former Rajya Sabha member from Odisha in the Indian National Congress party, of plotting to assassinate him. The Swami also said that World Vision was covertly pumping money into India for religious conversion during the 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami, and criticized the activities of Christian missionaries as going against tribal beliefs. In 2008, he was gunned down along with four disciples on the Hindu festive day of Krishna Janmashtami by a group of 30–40 armed men. Later, Maoist terrorist leader Sabyasachi Panda admitted responsibility for the assassination, saying that the Maoists had intervened in the religious dispute on behalf of Christians and Dalits. The non-governmental organization Justice on Trial disputed that there had been Maoist involvement, and quoted the Swami as claiming that Christian missionaries had earlier attacked him eight times

In July 2011, Anders Behring Breivik was arrested and charged with terrorism after a car bombing in Oslo and a mass shooting on Utøya island. As a result of his attacks, 151 people were injured, and 77 killed. Hours prior to the events, Breivik released a 1,500 page manifesto detailing that immigrants were undermining Norway's traditional Christian values, and identifying himself as a "Christian crusader

The Lord's Resistance Army, a cult guerrilla army engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government, has been accused of using child soldiers and committing numerous crimes against humanity; including massacres, abductions, mutilation, torture, rape, and forced child labour as soldiers, porters, and sex slaves. A quasi-religious movement that mixes some aspects of Christian beliefs with its own brand of spiritualism, it is led by Joseph Kony, who proclaims himself the spokesperson of God and a spirit medium, primarily of the "Holy Spirit" which the Acholi believe can represent itself in many manifestations. LRA fighters wear rosary beads and recite passages from the Bible before battle

Beginning after the Civil War, members of the Protestant-led Ku Klux Klan organization began engaging in arson, beatings, cross burning, destruction of property, lynching, murder, rape, tar-and-feathering, and whipping against African Americans, Jews, Catholics, and other social or ethnic minorities.
They were explicitly Christian terrorist in ideology, basing their beliefs on a "religious foundation" in Christianity. The goals of the KKK included, from an early time on, an intent to "reestablish Protestant Christian values in America by any means possible," and believe that "Jesus was the first Klansman." Their cross-burnings were conducted not only to intimidate targets, but to demonstrate their respect and reverence for Jesus Christ, and the lighting ritual was steeped in Christian symbolism, including the saying of prayers and singing of Christian hymns. Many modern Klan organizations, such as the Knights Party, USA, continue to focus on the Christian supremacist message, asserting that there is a "war" on to destroy "western Christian civilization."

During the twentieth century, members of extremist groups such as the Army of God began executing attacks against abortion clinics and doctors across the United States. A number of terrorist attacks were attributed to individuals and groups with ties to the Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements, including the Lambs of Christ. A group called Concerned Christians were deported from Israel on suspicion of planning to attack holy sites in Jerusalem at the end of 1999, believing that their deaths would "lead them to heaven."

The motive for anti-abortionist Scott Roeder murdering Wichita doctor George Tiller on May 31, 2009 was a belief that abortion is criminal and immoral, and that this belief went "hand in hand" with his religious beliefs.

The Centennial Olympic Park bombing in 1996, as well as subsequent attacks on an abortion clinic and a lesbian nightclub, were made by Eric Robert Rudolph; Michael Barkun, a professor at Syracuse University, considers Rudolph to fit the definition of a Christian terrorist

Fourteen traditionalist shamans about to form a shamanic school and association were murdered in Peru over a period of several months prior to October 2011. The murders were committed by, and/or at the behest of, the local mayor and a group of other evangelical Christians. The mayor's brother was known in the area as a matabrujos or witch killer

[seekerman]

Sure LOL

Lets set aside church history from the Council of Nicea to the Inquisitions for a bit and focus on the church today.

"List of cool stuff that peaceful christians do in their spare time"

The Gunpowder Plot was a failed attempt to blow up the Palace of Westminster, the English seat of government

The Orange Volunteers are a group infamous for carrying out simultaneous terrorist attacks on Catholic churches

Self-styled pastors Clifford Peeples, previously convicted under the Prevention of Terrorism Act, John Somerville, and their associates, were dubbed by RUC chief constable, Ronnie Flanagan "the demon pastors" – specialising in recounting lurid stories of Catholic savagery towards Protestants, and in finding biblical justifications for Protestant retaliation.

The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT), a rebel group operating in Tripura, North-East India, has been described as engaging in terrorist violence motivated by their Christian beliefs. It is classified by the National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism as one of the ten most active terrorist groups in the world, and has been accused of forcefully converting people to Christianity

The insurgency in Nagaland was originally led by the National Socialist Council of Nagaland (NSCN), and it is continued today by a faction named "NSCN–Isaac Muivah", which explicitly calls for a "Nagalim for Christ

The state government reports that the Baptist Church of Tripura supplies arms and gives financial support to the NLFT. In April 2000, the secretary of the Noapara Baptist Church in Tripura, Nagmanlal Halam, was arrested with a large quantity of explosives. He confessed to illegally buying and supplying explosives to the NLFT for two years. The NLFT has threatened to kill Hindus celebrating the annual five-day religious festival of Durga Puja and other religious celebrations. At least 20 Hindus in Tripura have been killed by the NLFT in two years for resisting forced conversion to Christianity. A leader of the Jamatia tribe, Rampada Jamatia, said that armed NLFT militants were forcibly converting tribal villagers to Christianity, which he said was a serious threat to Hinduism. It is believed that as many as 5,000 tribal villagers were converted over two years. These forcible conversions to Christianity, sometimes including the use of "rape as a means of intimidation," have also been noted by academics outside of India

In Assam in 2009, the Manmasi National Christian Army (MNCA), an extremist group from the Hmar tribe, were charged with forcing Hindus to convert at gunpoint. Seven or more Hmar youths were charged with visiting Bhuvan Pahar, a Hindu village, armed with guns, and pressuring residents to convert to Christianity. They also desecrated temples by painting crosses on the walls with their blood

In 2007 a tribal spiritual Hindu monk, Swami Lakshmanananda Saraswati, accused Radhakant Nayak, chief of a local chapter of World Vision, and a former Rajya Sabha member from Odisha in the Indian National Congress party, of plotting to assassinate him. The Swami also said that World Vision was covertly pumping money into India for religious conversion during the 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami, and criticized the activities of Christian missionaries as going against tribal beliefs. In 2008, he was gunned down along with four disciples on the Hindu festive day of Krishna Janmashtami by a group of 30–40 armed men. Later, Maoist terrorist leader Sabyasachi Panda admitted responsibility for the assassination, saying that the Maoists had intervened in the religious dispute on behalf of Christians and Dalits. The non-governmental organization Justice on Trial disputed that there had been Maoist involvement, and quoted the Swami as claiming that Christian missionaries had earlier attacked him eight times

In July 2011, Anders Behring Breivik was arrested and charged with terrorism after a car bombing in Oslo and a mass shooting on Utøya island. As a result of his attacks, 151 people were injured, and 77 killed. Hours prior to the events, Breivik released a 1,500 page manifesto detailing that immigrants were undermining Norway's traditional Christian values, and identifying himself as a "Christian crusader

The Lord's Resistance Army, a cult guerrilla army engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government, has been accused of using child soldiers and committing numerous crimes against humanity; including massacres, abductions, mutilation, torture, rape, and forced child labour as soldiers, porters, and sex slaves. A quasi-religious movement that mixes some aspects of Christian beliefs with its own brand of spiritualism, it is led by Joseph Kony, who proclaims himself the spokesperson of God and a spirit medium, primarily of the "Holy Spirit" which the Acholi believe can represent itself in many manifestations. LRA fighters wear rosary beads and recite passages from the Bible before battle

Beginning after the Civil War, members of the Protestant-led Ku Klux Klan organization began engaging in arson, beatings, cross burning, destruction of property, lynching, murder, rape, tar-and-feathering, and whipping against African Americans, Jews, Catholics, and other social or ethnic minorities.
They were explicitly Christian terrorist in ideology, basing their beliefs on a "religious foundation" in Christianity. The goals of the KKK included, from an early time on, an intent to "reestablish Protestant Christian values in America by any means possible," and believe that "Jesus was the first Klansman." Their cross-burnings were conducted not only to intimidate targets, but to demonstrate their respect and reverence for Jesus Christ, and the lighting ritual was steeped in Christian symbolism, including the saying of prayers and singing of Christian hymns. Many modern Klan organizations, such as the Knights Party, USA, continue to focus on the Christian supremacist message, asserting that there is a "war" on to destroy "western Christian civilization."

During the twentieth century, members of extremist groups such as the Army of God began executing attacks against abortion clinics and doctors across the United States. A number of terrorist attacks were attributed to individuals and groups with ties to the Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements, including the Lambs of Christ. A group called Concerned Christians were deported from Israel on suspicion of planning to attack holy sites in Jerusalem at the end of 1999, believing that their deaths would "lead them to heaven."

The motive for anti-abortionist Scott Roeder murdering Wichita doctor George Tiller on May 31, 2009 was a belief that abortion is criminal and immoral, and that this belief went "hand in hand" with his religious beliefs.

The Centennial Olympic Park bombing in 1996, as well as subsequent attacks on an abortion clinic and a lesbian nightclub, were made by Eric Robert Rudolph; Michael Barkun, a professor at Syracuse University, considers Rudolph to fit the definition of a Christian terrorist

Fourteen traditionalist shamans about to form a shamanic school and association were murdered in Peru over a period of several months prior to October 2011. The murders were committed by, and/or at the behest of, the local mayor and a group of other evangelical Christians. The mayor's brother was known in the area as a matabrujos or witch killer

Let's look at RELIGIOUS violence today and let's find which RELIGION is almost always involved in the RELIGIOUS violence. This isn't a difficult exercise, simply read about the RELIGIOUS violence, note what RELIGION is involved in the RELIGIOUS violence and the fact is that almost every time, time after time, in current events Islam is involved. That's because Islam is the most violent RELIGION on the fact of the earth today.

Just watch the news. And do the usual muslim denial, but the facts remain.

[Walks_in_islam]

Let's look at RELIGIOUS violence today and let's find which RELIGION is almost always involved in the RELIGIOUS violence. This isn't a difficult exercise, simply read about the RELIGIOUS violence, note what RELIGION is involved in the RELIGIOUS violence and the fact is that almost every time, time after time, in current events Islam is involved. That's because Islam is the most violent RELIGION on the fact of the earth today.

Just watch the news. And do the usual muslim denial, but the facts remain.

The above are stories of current christian religious violence today including the use of rape to force conversion from Hinduism to christianity in Asia. Painting crosses using their victims blood is a nice christian touch but not new - this was done by christian crusaders hundreds of years ago and was done to Mosques in Egypt by the Coptics last month. Can ya gimme a DUH and an amen?

So whats the claim? These stories are not true? I do watch the news and have you ever seen a story about these things? If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there and if Fox does not pipe a story to your trailerhouse and fill your head with it does it mean that it never happened?

I otherwise did not deny that violence occurs in Islamic countries. In fact I posted many stories about Muslim policemen who die to fight and stop violence in their own countries and posted many stories linking violence in the Middle East to fighting the incursion of Iran into mideast politics.

I do say and hold to the fact that violence in Muslim countries occurs at a much, much lower level than violence in non-Muslim countries.

[seekerman]

The above are stories of current christian religious violence today including the use of rape to force conversion from Hinduism to christianity in Asia. Painting crosses using their victims blood is a nice christian touch but not new - this was done by christian crusaders hundreds of years ago and was done to Mosques in Egypt by the Coptics last month. Can ya gimme a DUH and an amen?

So whats the claim? These stories are not true? I do watch the news and have you ever seen a story about these things? If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there and if Fox does not pipe a story to your trailerhouse and fill your head with it does it mean that it never happened?

I otherwise did not deny that violence occurs in Islamic countries. In fact I posted many stories about Muslim policemen who die to fight and stop violence in their own countries and posted many stories linking violence in the Middle East to fighting the incursion of Iran into mideast politics.

I do say and hold to the fact that violence in Muslim countries occurs at a much, much lower level than violence in non-Muslim countries.

There isn't a RELIGION on earth which has more RELIGIOUS violence than Islam. That's the fact you're not facing. Watch the news next week. Note which RELIGION is involved in the almost weekly killing, maiming and oppression. In almost every instance, it's Islam.

There's a reason that when you see RELIGIOUS violence you can safely bet that Islam is at the core of the RELIGIOUS killing, maiming and oppression.

[Walks_in_islam]

There isn't a RELIGION on earth which has more RELIGIOUS violence than Islam. That's the fact you're not facing. Watch the news next week. Note which RELIGION is involved in the almost weekly killing, maiming and oppression. In almost every instance, it's Islam.

There's a reason that when you see RELIGIOUS violence you can safely bet that Islam is at the core of the RELIGIOUS killing, maiming and oppression.

Not in my neighborhood. When I see RELIGIOUS violence by RELIGIOUS leaders they are always christian.

[seekerman]

Not in my neighborhood. When I see RELIGIOUS violence by RELIGIOUS leaders they are always christian.

Is the RELIGIOUS violence by christians against other christians fairly frequent as it is in Islam? I gave yet another example of Islamic RELIGIOUS violence against other muslims earlier today.

The peaceful muslims enjoy the killing, maiming and oppression of other muslims for some reason....

"The blasts at the two Sunni Muslim mosques also wounded 45 people, said tribal police officer Badshah Rehman. Both of the mosques were badly damaged, and the roof of one of them collapsed. The mosques were located in Baz Darrah village in the Malakand district of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, Rehman said."

Yes, this is yet another, almost daily, example of how peaceful the RELIGION of Islam is.

I'll keep posting the religious violence of the most violent RELIGION on the face of the earth today...Islam. You just keep doing the usual muslim denial of that fact and everything will work out ok.

[Walks_in_islam]

Is the RELIGIOUS violence by christians against other christians fairly frequent as it is in Islam? I gave yet another example of Islamic RELIGIOUS violence against other muslims earlier today.

The peaceful muslims enjoy the killing, maiming and oppression of other muslims for some reason....

"The blasts at the two Sunni Muslim mosques also wounded 45 people, said tribal police officer Badshah Rehman. Both of the mosques were badly damaged, and the roof of one of them collapsed. The mosques were located in Baz Darrah village in the Malakand district of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, Rehman said."

Yes, this is yet another, almost daily, example of how peaceful the RELIGION of Islam is.


I'll keep posting the religious violence of the most violent RELIGION on the face of the earth today...Islam. You just keep doing the usual muslim denial of that fact and everything will work out ok.

I would content that blowing up places of worship during the course of civil war is a symbol of "anti-religious" and not "religious" violence

[seekerman]

I would content that blowing up places of worship during the course of civil war is a symbol of "anti-religious" and not "religious" violence

It's pure religious violence.

[Walks_in_islam]

It's pure religious violence.

It's political violence. No different from the violence we impose on them.

[seekerman]

It's political violence. No different from the violence we impose on them.

No, it's pure religious violence. Religious sects fighting among themselves, killing men, women and children, religious sects killing the 'infidels'.

Islam is the most violent RELIGION on the face of the earth today. Just check the news.

[Dordrecht]

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[Praxeas]

It's political violence. No different from the violence we impose on them.
I partly agree however it's really politicized religious violence.

It's never "America does this to my country" but "They are in a war against Islam"...

Your religion is being used as a political means to manipulate ignorant people to commit violent acts in the name of Allah.

Catholics went through the same thing hundreds of years ago to "fight" for their church when it was really all about some religious/political leaders aspirations

[Walks_in_islam]

I partly agree however it's really politicized religious violence.

It's never "America does this to my country" but "They are in a war against Islam"...

Your religion is being used as a political means to manipulate ignorant people to commit violent acts in the name of Allah.

Catholics went through the same thing hundreds of years ago to "fight" for their church when it was really all about some religious/political leaders aspirations

You are right and certainly the crusades and the inquisition and violence in Ireland other religious movements had nothing to do with religion.

The leaders in these Muslim countries where Sunnis and Shias battle back and forth use and manipulate religious beliefs to trigger response for or against political policies and at the end of the day what better motivation than religion is there?

The latest attack in London was a nigerian whose rave/rant included calls to remove outsiders from Nigeria. When I worked for <company name redacted but not American> it was not uncommon for us to occasionally lose employees to "religious violence" in Nigeria. Was it because of the religion?

Nigeria has around 30 billion bbls of crude in their reserves (+/- estimate LOL) and the people there as of 2010 or so had as of around 2010 a per capita income of $2700 annually. There is a very, very deep resentment among the people there that outside oil companies are there extracting resources while the people live in poverty.

So what is the driver? Purely religion? By no stretch of the imagination does "God" benefit from who extracts oil in Nigeria but it is very easy to imagine how a sale could be made to the average person that "the Muslim people are being robbed" which would then trigger action against the perceived perpetrators of that robbery.

In the case of Nigeria that sale is made on the street and not by those in power who pocket the profits.