If you had one question to ask...

[KeptByTheWord]

If Jesus were here with us today, and HE could answer one question you would ask... what would your question be?

[Hoovie]

Why must some people, even believers, suffer unimaginably?

[Lafon]

Why must some people, even believers, suffer unimaginably?


But Hoovie, has not God already provided such an answer?

Before sin entered the word because of Adam's disobedience, there was NO disease, sickness/illness of any kind. Thus the "sufferings" which sin has brought to mankind is a direct consequence of sin, which Paul told the early Christians at Rome "worketh" (i.e., causes or brings about) death. (I Corinthians 4:12)

Why is there no record of Christ Jesus ever experiencing such "childhood illnesses" as chickenpox, mumps, etc? Because there was NO sin in Him, therefore He was exempt from such things.

Having tendered this observation (I don't want to "highjack" the thread), allow me to submit what I would like to ask Jesus (if it be He were here in visible form, albeit we are already granted the privilege of asking Him anything we desire at all times). After careful consideration it would only be this one question - Seeing that you've done for me what I could never have been able to accomplish for myself, what might I do for you as a token of my gratitude for that wondrous deed? (Yet, even as I write this, I already know what His answer would be - "Love God with all your heart, soul and mind; and remain faithful unto your death." :)

[bbyrd009]

But Hoovie, has not God already provided such an answer?

Before sin entered the word because of Adam's disobedience, there was NO disease, sickness/illness of any kind. Thus the "sufferings" which sin has brought to mankind is a direct consequence of sin, which Paul told the early Christians at Rome "worketh" (i.e., causes or brings about) death. (I Corinthians 4:12)

Why is there no record of Christ Jesus ever experiencing such "childhood illnesses" as chickenpox, mumps, etc? Because there was NO sin in Him, therefore He was exempt from such things.

Having tendered this observation (I don't want to "highjack" the thread), allow me to submit what I would like to ask Jesus (if it be He were here in visible form, albeit we are already granted the privilege of asking Him anything we desire at all times). After careful consideration it would only be this one question - Seeing that you've done for me what I could never have been able to accomplish for myself, what might I do for you as a token of my gratitude for that wondrous deed? (Yet, even as I write this, I already know what His answer would be - "Love God with all your heart, soul and mind; and remain faithful unto your death." :)

sweet.

[Rose]

Is my life pleasing to You? If not, please tell me what I need to change!

[Timmy]

What is the deal with those followers of yours? :lol

[Amanah]

Is my life pleasing to You? If not, please tell me what I need to change!

spoken like a person with a heart for God :heart

[bbyrd009]

spoken like a person with a heart for God :heart

Amen; that IS the question.

[scotty]

what did you write in the sand when you knelt down before the pharisees ?

[mfblume]

What is a hypotenuse?

[KeptByTheWord]

After posting this thread last night, I wrestled all night long with this thought. Would it matter if Jesus could answer my one unanswered question. Would it change anything? He has placed his spirit in us to lead and guide us and that is, as Falla39 says in another post "I believe it is SO much better to have HIS SPIRIT IN US, than to have actually walked WITH Him in flesh!"

Thinking about this all night... I don't think there is any question that I could ask Him, should HE answer, that would change my life in any way, because He has already given so much, and we have His spirit to lead, and guide, even when I may not understand.

If there really were a question I would want answered, it would be... as others above have already said... what more can I do for you? How can I change me to be more pleasing to you?

Yes, I really would like to know ... about heaven, where it is, how it will impact our eternal life... how all this endtime stuff is going to play out... how exactly did this world come into existence... is the Sabbath still as important to Him now as it was in the OT... and many others...

But, if even any of these questions were answered, would it change my focus here and now? I doubt it. Because He has given us so much already, that our questions will probably always remain questions until eternity begins, and then... it won't matter anyway.

So until then... my heart will go on singing, until then, with joy I'll carry on, until the day my eyes behold his beauty, until the day He calls me Home.

[KeptByTheWord]

What is a hypotenuse?

?? What is it about a hypotenuse (triangle geometry stuff) that you would like to know? Just curious :)

[KeptByTheWord]

Amen; that IS the question.

Amen!!! :thumbsup

[shag]

What is the purpose of allowing innocent children to be raped, molested, tortured, burned to death, and starved to death, when it could've been stopped.

[The Matt]

Lord, what changes can I make to my life that would make you happy?

[bbyrd009]

What is the purpose of allowing innocent children to be raped, molested, tortured, burned to death, and starved to death, when it could've been stopped.

See that God is asking us this question, that we have all framed up for God.

[AmericanAngel]

What is the purpose of allowing innocent children to be raped, molested, tortured, burned to death, and starved to death, when it could've been stopped.

God is not behind this nor purposed it! God is not the author of sin!

[AmericanAngel]

Why did u create wasps? And , seriously, please don't tell me it was for the food chain. Thankyou. Amen

[shag]

See that God is asking us this question, that we have all framed up for God.

God is not behind this nor purposed it! God is not the author of sin!


Allowing

Let me make that word a little bigger...lol

The point is not who caused it, the point is ALLOWING the child to go thru it. If u say he will repay the "sinner" who caused it, I say again, the child was ALLOWED to go thru that, and for what purpose? AND as a single example, what about all the children that are burned to death(or left barely alive) slowly in house fires, when it is not the fault of a sinner, but mere accidental cause. Ya know, like a lightning strike, or wires catching fire....this stuff DOES happen, and not always at the fault of "fallen man".


Btw , wasps are part of the balance of "the cycle of life" in that they help keep pest insect numbers in check because almost every pest insect species has atleast one wasp species that preys on it. :D

[Hoovie]

Why did u create wasps? And , seriously, please don't tell me it was for the food chain. Thankyou. Amen


WASP
1. A white Protestant of Anglo-Saxon ancestry.
2. A white, usually Protestant member of the American upper social class.

[KeptByTheWord]

WASP
1. A white Protestant of Anglo-Saxon ancestry.
2. A white, usually Protestant member of the American upper social class.

LOL... never heard of this before!!!!

Are you a WASP? :heeheehee

Well, I don't much like wasps (the insect) either, even if they are meant to be part of a food chain....

[Timmy]

LOL... never heard of this before!!!!

Are you a WASP? :heeheehee

Well, I don't much like wasps (the insect) either, even if they are meant to be part of a food chain....

It'll be even harder to convince me scorpions are necessary. ;)

[BeenThinkin]

Why are there so many on AFF who are wrong? (Those who don't agree with me, Jesus!) :highfive

Been Thinkin

[Lafon]

what did you write in the sand when you knelt down before the pharisees ?


His initial etchings in the sand served only to intensify their condemnation of Him, or so it seems, but not so when He stooped the 2nd time and wrote words there... these were so profound that it rendered His tempters silenced, for they immediately departed without further comment. :)

[Timmy]

Why are there so many on AFF who are wrong? (Those who don't agree with me, Jesus!) :highfive

Been Thinkin

"AFF? What's that?" :heeheehee

[Timmy]

His initial etchings in the sand served only to intensify their condemnation of Him, or so it seems, but not so when He stooped the 2nd time and wrote words there... these were so profound that it rendered His tempters silenced, for they immediately departed without further comment. :)

Hmm. I always thought it was the words He said that did that.

[RandyWayne]

I don't know exactly what I would ask. Some would fall into the category of pure question while others would be of a more "clarifying" nature such as "what exactly did you mean here?" or "I understand what you said here but what about this?".

One good question would have to be asked as we passed another church, be it AoG or Baptist. I would ask "Are any of these people saved who truly love you and think they are?". Another good one would be to ask Him "So have you really talked to all these pastors and evangelists who say they've been talking to you?" (That last one courtesy of Ray Stevens).

And then the granddaddy of them all: "I think I'm saved, but am I truly? I've been getting conflicting information from hundreds of different places -most claiming YOU as the source!"

[KeptByTheWord]

I don't know exactly what I would ask. Some would fall into the category of pure question while others would be of a more "clarifying" nature such as "what exactly did you mean here?" or "I understand what you said here but what about this?".

One good question would have to be asked as we passed another church, be it AoG or Baptist. I would ask "Are any of these people saved who truly love you and think they are?". Another good one would be to ask Him "So have you really talked to all these pastors and evangelists who say they've been talking to you?" (That last one courtesy of Ray Stevens).

:nod Ya... I heard someone say one time... "When we get to heaven, we may be really surprised to see who's all there"...

[mfblume]

His initial etchings in the sand served only to intensify their condemnation of Him, or so it seems, but not so when He stooped the 2nd time and wrote words there... these were so profound that it rendered His tempters silenced, for they immediately departed without further comment. :)

You're not the Lord. Stop answering.



llol

[mfblume]

?? What is it about a hypotenuse (triangle geometry stuff) that you would like to know? Just curious :)

I asked the Lord, not you.



lol

[RandyWayne]

:nod Ya... I heard someone say one time... "When we get to heaven, we may be really surprised to see who's all there"...

And who isn't -but not nearly as surprised as THEY are. LOL

[Timmy]

"Are you your father?"

[Lafon]

You're not the Lord. Stop answering.



llol

Mike, I wasn't attempting to "play God by "answering" Scotty's question; simply relating a personal observation of the manner in which things transpired when the Lord stooped to write in the sand. I NEVER submitted that I KNEW what He wrote on that occasion, for I have NO way of knowing that. Your sarcasm is unacceptable and inappropriate.

[shag]

Mike, I wasn't attempting to "play God by "answering" Scotty's question; simply relating a personal observation of the manner in which things transpired when the Lord stooped to write in the sand. I NEVER submitted that I KNEW what He wrote on that occasion, for I have NO way of knowing that. Your sarcasm is unacceptable and inappropriate.



:nahnah








Come on now...how about a sense of humor...:)

[Lafon]

:nahnah








Come on now...how about a sense of humor...:)


Direct that to Mike, for had he intended it to be humorous he would have also included a :) in his comment. Therefore I considered it to be sarcastic. :foottap

[KeptByTheWord]

You're not the Lord. Stop answering.



llol

Lafon,

I think it was a joke. and a play on words... see his "LOL" above from the original post?

[Timmy]

Yeah, because nobody EVER uses SARCASM and includes a SMILIE! :lol

[Aquila]

Why is it that though I hate sin, I find myself sometimes falling back into the same old patterns?

Or...

Is their life on other worlds?

Or...

Did you really create all things in six literal days?

[Timmy]

Why is it that though I hate sin, I find myself sometimes falling back into the same old patterns?



Paul already answered that one for you. Didn't like his answer?

Romans 7. When he sinned, it wasn't he that sinned! It was the sin that dwelled inside him, that sinned. Ya see. Paul was basically saying, just like Bart Simpson, "I didn't do it." :lol

[mfblume]

Mike, I wasn't attempting to "play God by "answering" Scotty's question; simply relating a personal observation of the manner in which things transpired when the Lord stooped to write in the sand. I NEVER submitted that I KNEW what He wrote on that occasion, for I have NO way of knowing that. Your sarcasm is unacceptable and inappropriate.

Get a grip, bro. It was fun. See the lol? Even if it was not a smi lie. An lol counts, too. Stamped it, no rubs-out. Sealed.

[Aquila]

what did you write in the sand when you knelt down before the pharisees ?

I read in a book about ancient manners and customs that the text offers clues as to what Jesus might have been doing. Here’s the text:

John 8:1-11
{8:1} Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. {8:2} And
early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all
the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught
them. {8:3} And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him
a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the
midst, {8:4} They say unto him, Master, this woman was
taken in adultery, in the very act. {8:5} Now Moses in the
law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what
sayest thou? {8:6} This they said, tempting him, that they
might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and
with [his] finger wrote on the ground, [as though he heard
them not. ]{8:7} So when they continued asking him, he
lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin
among you, let him first cast a stone at her. {8:8} And again
he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. {8:9} And they
which heard [it,] being convicted by [their own] conscience,
went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, [even] unto the
last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in
the midst. {8:10} When Jesus had lifted up himself, and
saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where
are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
{8:11} She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her,
Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

First thing we see is that Jesus returned to the temple from the mount of Olives early in the morning. Upon arriving at the temple all the people came to him; and he sat down, and taught them. This reveals something important. Not just anyone was permitted to hold classes at the temple. Only esteemed rabbis would be permitted to gather and teach the people openly in the temple. Next the Pharisees bring a woman caught in adultery to Jesus and interrupt his lesson to lay the charge of adultery against her. Why? Of course the text tells us they were “tempting” Jesus, meaning to trap Him. But why take a woman and cast her at Jesus’ feet in the middle of a lesson??? Not only was Jesus an esteemed rabbi among the people… but He was also the presiding rabbinical authority of the temple that day. This position often rotated among the esteemed rabbis. All serious matters, judgments, and cases were to be brought to the presiding rabbi for resolution. Here they bring a woman caught in adultery and declare that the Law of Moses stipulates that she be stoned. Then they wanted Jesus to issue His rabbinical verdict. They just opened court with rabbi Jesus presiding as judge. They wanted Jesus to do one of two things. However, these would have disastrous effects on His ministry. Jesus could concur with the Law of Moses that she should be stoned and demand her execution. But the Jewish authorities were not permitted to do so. Had Jesus done this He would have broken Roman law and the Pharisees could have Jesus arrested by the Roman authorities. If Jesus didn’t concur with the Law of Moses, the Pharisees could argue that Jesus isn’t upholding the Law of Moses and discredit His ministry before all the people.

Jesus does something interesting upon hearing the charges of the prosecution and what the Law of Moses stipulates as penalty for her crime. Jesus stoops down and wrote on the ground “as though He heard them not”. This is the first of two occasions wherein Jesus stoops to the ground to write during this ordeal. When judges would judge outside of the city gates in Israel they’d often write on the ground. Civil judgments and business transactions (bartering) were often initiated this way. If Jesus was following this custom while presiding in the temple, He most likely wrote the charges against the woman and what the Law required. It was the role of the judge to review the charges and the Law’s requirements. Then the judge would stand and issue his verdict. We read that Jesus stands and states, “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.” Then Jesus stoops down to write on the ground a second time. Notice, we read regarding what Jesus wrote on the ground, “{8:8} And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. {8:9} And they which heard [it,] being convicted by [their own] conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, [even] unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.” This is important, because they “heard” what was written on the ground. Jesus, following ancient custom, stooped down to write His verdict below the charges laid against this woman. This was so that all that were present could see the verdict for themselves. If any disagreed they had a chance to appeal with further argumentation. But as we see… the Pharisees began walking away. Why? Because Jesus concurred with the Law and ruled that one of their own who was “without sin” was to cast the first stone. The Pharisees prided themselves on looking sinless. But none of them were without sin and they knew it. The only way they could continue their hypocrisy was for one of them to cast the first stone at the woman, essentially claiming to be without sin. However, should one of them do this, THEY would be violators of Roman law which forbade the Jewish authorities from executing criminals. Jesus officially ruled a ruling that cornered them into admitting their own hypocrisy in front of the people watching the trial unfold. After her accusers left (the prosecution dismissed itself) the woman was left alone in front of Jesus. Now Jesus demonstrates grace asking as to the whereabouts of her accusers and if any would contest His ruling. She answers, “No man, Lord.” Finally Jesus says, “Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.” Jesus drops the charges and admonishes her to go and sin no more.

Here… we see a courtroom drama as intense as any other. And rabbi Jesus shows the finesse necessary to protect Himself, rightly judge the woman with grace, and ward off her hypocritical accusers. Jesus proved Himself to be a brilliant legal eagle in the courtroom.

That’s my understanding of what Jesus was doing when writing on the ground.

God bless!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y0oiJh7V9E

[RandyWayne]

Who was Carly Simon singing about when she sang "Your so Vain"?

[bbyrd009]

Who was Carly Simon singing about when she sang "Your so Vain"?

Ok, that answer is famous already. Nice, Aquila.

[RandyWayne]

Ok, that answer is famous already. Nice, Aquila.

You know?

[bbyrd009]

Um, she discussed it in some interview, as I recall it was a composite because she'd had a bunch of boyfriends, maybe? but I could have that wrong...anyway the story is out there, I bet if you Googled it you could find it.

[KeptByTheWord]

I read in a book about ancient manners and customs that the text offers clues as to what Jesus might have been doing. Here’s the text:

John 8:1-11
{8:1} Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. {8:2} And
early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all
the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught
them. {8:3} And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him
a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the
midst, {8:4} They say unto him, Master, this woman was
taken in adultery, in the very act. {8:5} Now Moses in the
law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what
sayest thou? {8:6} This they said, tempting him, that they
might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and
with [his] finger wrote on the ground, [as though he heard
them not. ]{8:7} So when they continued asking him, he
lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin
among you, let him first cast a stone at her. {8:8} And again
he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. {8:9} And they
which heard [it,] being convicted by [their own] conscience,
went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, [even] unto the
last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in
the midst. {8:10} When Jesus had lifted up himself, and
saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where
are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
{8:11} She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her,
Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

First thing we see is that Jesus returned to the temple from the mount of Olives early in the morning. Upon arriving at the temple all the people came to him; and he sat down, and taught them. This reveals something important. Not just anyone was permitted to hold classes at the temple. Only esteemed rabbis would be permitted to gather and teach the people openly in the temple. Next the Pharisees bring a woman caught in adultery to Jesus and interrupt his lesson to lay the charge of adultery against her. Why? Of course the text tells us they were “tempting” Jesus, meaning to trap Him. But why take a woman and cast her at Jesus’ feet in the middle of a lesson??? Not only was Jesus an esteemed rabbi among the people… but He was also the presiding rabbinical authority of the temple that day. This position often rotated among the esteemed rabbis. All serious matters, judgments, and cases were to be brought to the presiding rabbi for resolution. Here they bring a woman caught in adultery and declare that the Law of Moses stipulates that she be stoned. Then they wanted Jesus to issue His rabbinical verdict. They just opened court with rabbi Jesus presiding as judge. They wanted Jesus to do one of two things. However, these would have disastrous effects on His ministry. Jesus could concur with the Law of Moses that she should be stoned and demand her execution. But the Jewish authorities were not permitted to do so. Had Jesus done this He would have broken Roman law and the Pharisees could have Jesus arrested by the Roman authorities. If Jesus didn’t concur with the Law of Moses, the Pharisees could argue that Jesus isn’t upholding the Law of Moses and discredit His ministry before all the people.

Jesus does something interesting upon hearing the charges of the prosecution and what the Law of Moses stipulates as penalty for her crime. Jesus stoops down and wrote on the ground “as though He heard them not”. This is the first of two occasions wherein Jesus stoops to the ground to write during this ordeal. When judges would judge outside of the city gates in Israel they’d often write on the ground. Civil judgments and business transactions (bartering) were often initiated this way. If Jesus was following this custom while presiding in the temple, He most likely wrote the charges against the woman and what the Law required. It was the role of the judge to review the charges and the Law’s requirements. Then the judge would stand and issue his verdict. We read that Jesus stands and states, “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.” Then Jesus stoops down to write on the ground a second time. Notice, we read regarding what Jesus wrote on the ground, “{8:8} And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. {8:9} And they which heard [it,] being convicted by [their own] conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, [even] unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.” This is important, because they “heard” what was written on the ground. Jesus, following ancient custom, stooped down to write His verdict below the charges laid against this woman. This was so that all that were present could see the verdict for themselves. If any disagreed they had a chance to appeal with further argumentation. But as we see… the Pharisees began walking away. Why? Because Jesus concurred with the Law and ruled that one of their own who was “without sin” was to cast the first stone. The Pharisees prided themselves on looking sinless. But none of them were without sin and they knew it. The only way they could continue their hypocrisy was for one of them to cast the first stone at the woman, essentially claiming to be without sin. However, should one of them do this, THEY would be violators of Roman law which forbade the Jewish authorities from executing criminals. Jesus officially ruled a ruling that cornered them into admitting their own hypocrisy in front of the people watching the trial unfold. After her accusers left (the prosecution dismissed itself) the woman was left alone in front of Jesus. Now Jesus demonstrates grace asking as to the whereabouts of her accusers and if any would contest His ruling. She answers, “No man, Lord.” Finally Jesus says, “Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.” Jesus drops the charges and admonishes her to go and sin no more.

Here… we see a courtroom drama as intense as any other. And rabbi Jesus shows the finesse necessary to protect Himself, rightly judge the woman with grace, and ward off her hypocritical accusers. Jesus proved Himself to be a brilliant legal eagle in the courtroom.

That’s my understanding of what Jesus was doing when writing on the ground.

God bless!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y0oiJh7V9E

This sounds like the best answer to this age-old question more than any other I've heard, but I guess, we'll have to wait until eternity to know for sure.. but thanks for sharing this with us Aquila!

[bbyrd009]

It is neat, in the way God's answers seem to be. I got the same story in a colloquial version, I'll say; that Jesus was writing charges against the stoners like, "yesterday, 7:52 pm: Pontius (head stoner) enters whorehouse..." or "where was Pontius at 7:52?" like that.

[Aquila]

This sounds like the best answer to this age-old question more than any other I've heard, but I guess, we'll have to wait until eternity to know for sure.. but thanks for sharing this with us Aquila!

The clincher for me with this interpretation is found in the following verses:

John 8:7-9
{8:7} So when they continued asking him, he
lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin
among you, let him first cast a stone at her. {8:8} And again
he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. {8:9} And they
which heard [it,] being convicted by [their own] conscience,
went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, [even] unto the
last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in
the midst.

We're told that Christ's ruling was that the one without sin among them was to cast the first stone... then Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground again. You'll notice that the text says, "And they which heard IT..." This implies that whatever was written upon the ground was something that they heard. Thus, I believe Jesus wrote his ruling for all to see.

So, in my opinion, the text itself tells us what Jesus wrote. It's interesting... you'll notice that whenever someone spoke, Jesus wrote on the ground. He was taking notes. lol Jesus first stooped down and noted the accusations and the penalty demanded. Then He spoke and wrote what He said. None could contradict it. They were forced to admit before all that they too were sinners... and the tables were turned on them with regards to their conspiracy. As a result, they all were "convicted" by His words and walked away.

But you're right... we'll know for certain on that day when we shall see Him face to face.

[shag]

When Jericho (& other cities afterward) was taken, everyone was killed including women and children(asside from Rahabs family). I guess I dont quite comprehend the killing of children and babies. God knows far beyond my limited little mind, but I am curious why he didnt allow them to live. Is it simply their bloodline?

And then when I think about Jesus, God manifest in the flesh(even "with fire in his eyes")....I don't "see him" as ordering babies to be killed of any kind, that arent old enough to even know anything.

(Of course....everything is his creation, so all creation is in his hands what to do or not do with it...) I still wonder tho.

[Sabby]

I think I would ask Him what is it in me that would cause Him to want to visit this earth and take spikes in His hands...

[Sabby]

Just can't fathom the love of God

[bertcarring]

If Jesus were here with us today, and HE could answer one question you would ask... what would your question be?

He is here with me now.

[Timmy]

He is here with me now.

Then ask Him something. Let us know what He said.

[bertcarring]

Then ask Him something. Let us know what He said.

He said that you have many sins to repent from.

[Timmy]

He said that you have many sins to repent from.

Have Him name some of them.

[bertcarring]

Have Him name some of them.

No

[Timmy]

No

Is that you or Jesus saying "no"?

[bertcarring]

Is that you or Jesus saying "no"?

I do not have to ask him.

Let us start with this one.

Stubbornness.

Do you need to repent from being stubborn?

Yes or no?

[Timmy]

I do not have to ask him.

Let us start with this one.

Stubbornness.

Do you need to repent from being stubborn?

Yes or no?

Yes. Any other examples? But this time, can you be very specific? Probably everyone has been stubborn, to one degree or another, in their lives. Go ahead and ask Jesus for all the details. Names, dates, locations (as pertinent). He knows, presumably.

[bertcarring]

Yes. Any other examples? But this time, can you be very specific? Probably everyone has been stubborn, to one degree or another, in their lives. Go ahead and ask Jesus for all the details. Names, dates, locations (as pertinent). He knows, presumably.

I was reading this and thinking to myself that you also have a problem with disrespect. This is disrespectful not only to me but to the Lord Jesus.

As I was thinking this the Lord spoke this to me concerning you.

And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

This will be the last I say anything more to you about this matter.

If you do not like what I have said or believe what I have said or it offends you, that is just the way it is.

[KeptByTheWord]

He is here with me now.
If you could sit down face to face with Jesus, what is the one question you would ask... hypothetically of course... we know his Spirit dwells within us, and teaches us and guides us... but being a bit hypothetical here... what is that question you would ask Him, and get a direct answer?

[The Matt]

I was reading this and thinking to myself that you also have a problem with disrespect. This is disrespectful not only to me but to the Lord Jesus.

As I was thinking this the Lord spoke this to me concerning you.

And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

This will be the last I say anything more to you about this matter.

If you do not like what I have said or believe what I have said or it offends you, that is just the way it is.

Your holier than thou attitude, and the fact that you come here not to learn but as an outlet to preach your own private doctrine, annoys me. Are you perhaps putting on a persona here that you wouldn't dare put out in the real world? I think you should maybe be very careful right off the bat saying the things you speak come directly from the Lord's mouth. And I think you should consider this basic scripture when deciding exactly what you decide the Lord has to say. Matthew 7
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6 ¶ Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Do you think you were a good witness in this conversation with Timmy, sir? Do you believe you led him closer to Christ's truth? From what I can see, what you did was use a part of the bible to cast judgement on him, trying to draw a parallel between hellfire and brimstone and his words. He asked for confirmation. If the Lord gave you this confirmation, say it. If he didn't, don't go on the defensive by quoting a scripture about hell to him. I ask you again, do you honestly feel you were a good witness in this conversation? You had a chance to speak as a light to this man, and you utterly failed with a common HUMAN way of doing things. This isn't the place to spread your specific doctrine, this is a place of fellowship. This is a place where narrow minded thinking is corrected by intelligent people who for the most part fell in love with God, fell in love with his word, and you will come to see know some parts of his word better than you. I'm going to ask you as a personal favor, don't come in here expecting to scare people into the ways you think. Rebuking has a place, inside a pastor's office. And as far as I can see, you are NOT this man's shepherd.

[KeptByTheWord]

Your holier than thou attitude, and the fact that you come here not to learn but as an outlet to preach your own private doctrine, annoys me. Are you perhaps putting on a persona here that you wouldn't dare put out in the real world? I think you should maybe be very careful right off the bat saying the things you speak come directly from the Lord's mouth. And I think you should consider this basic scripture when deciding exactly what you decide the Lord has to say. Matthew 7
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6 ¶ Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Do you think you were a good witness in this conversation with Timmy, sir? Do you believe you led him closer to Christ's truth? From what I can see, what you did was use a part of the bible to cast judgement on him, trying to draw a parallel between hellfire and brimstone and his words. He asked for confirmation. If the Lord gave you this confirmation, say it. If he didn't, don't go on the defensive by quoting a scripture about hell to him. I ask you again, do you honestly feel you were a good witness in this conversation? You had a chance to speak as a light to this man, and you utterly failed with a common HUMAN way of doing things. This isn't the place to spread your specific doctrine, this is a place of fellowship. This is a place where narrow minded thinking is corrected by intelligent people who for the most part fell in love with God, fell in love with his word, and you will come to see know some parts of his word better than you. I'm going to ask you as a personal favor, don't come in here expecting to scare people into the ways you think.

Amen!:highfive

[bertcarring]

It does not matter what you think about me.

To me. Maybe God might value your opinion.

I am not God.

lol

Now that is funny is it not?

[bertcarring]

God gave me a tremendous sense of humor to go along with the great Wisdom he gave to me.

I will tell you

It comes in handy from time to time.

lol

[bertcarring]

A good sense of humor with the Wisdom of God to a fool is like pouring salt on a wound.

Can you feel it burn.

lol

[bertcarring]

Now that is funny. You have to admit.

[The Matt]

It does not matter what you think about me.


That's your whole problem. You came in here not caring what anyone thinks of you. You're not setting an example. You're not spreading good seed. You're preaching condemnation. You're talking down to every single person you've interacted with. Exactly what do you expect to get out of AFF? Convert everyone into exactly what you believe?

I am not God.
When you can admit this to yourself instead of stating this to me, it's highly possible you may get some good out of this forum, and learn some things that it's obvious God hasn't taught you yet, such as being meek and humble, and humility.
lol

Now that is funny is it not?
Funny? Sir, you do not strike me as a funny person. You simply annoy me. In fact, I can't decide if you're trolling, or if you really are as rude and arrogant as you've put yourself across as. In one day of seeing how you work, you've struck me as a person who I would never want to know personally. I love you, as I love all humans. But that doesn't mean I have to like you. I pray that you will be able to see past the tip of your own nose. And I pray that you're only putting on a persona, and you don't witness the way you have to Timmy, who my heart aches for. Were you even planning to say a prayer for him?

[bertcarring]

Are you judging me?

If so please give me a break

I am not as Holy and righteous and Humble as you are.

Thank you.

lol

[bertcarring]

And caring...I left that out.

lol

[bertcarring]

I do not answer to you.

In now way do I answer to you.

In fact you do not know just who you are talking too.

You are use to talking down to just about anyone you please when you please.

I have news for you.

I am going to be just fine.

No matter what you think or do.

[bertcarring]

And as far as what I do.

YOU MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.

[The Matt]

You're right on this one. Troll on. I'm sure the novelty will wear off.

[bertcarring]

You're right on this one. Troll on. I'm sure the novelty will wear off.

Of course I am right.

I love righteousness and virtue and truth.

Not only that the Lord will look at all this and decide in my favor.

But you do not care.

I wonder if the Lord will reward for calling his anointed a troll?

I sure hope so.

[bertcarring]

Lord give this man a great reward for his righteousness.

amen

there you go.

[bertcarring]

Just for you.

[Timmy]

I was reading this and thinking to myself that you also have a problem with disrespect. This is disrespectful not only to me but to the Lord Jesus.

As I was thinking this the Lord spoke this to me concerning you.

And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

This will be the last I say anything more to you about this matter.

If you do not like what I have said or believe what I have said or it offends you, that is just the way it is.

I dunno, but I have a hunch (discernment?) that Jesus Himself didn't actually tell you this concerning me. But my discernment may be a bit rusty. Bbyrd? Little help?

[Timmy]

It does not matter what you think about me.

To me. Maybe God might value your opinion.

I am not God.

lol

Now that is funny is it not?

Yes. A little. ;)

[Timmy]

I dunno, but I have a hunch (discernment?) that Jesus Himself didn't actually tell you this concerning me. But my discernment may be a bit rusty. Bbyrd? Little help?

Silly me. I forgot. I can test this "spirit" with a simple question, and it is guaranteed to work. (As long as I am able to discern whether the answer is sincere.)

Bertcarring, do you confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh?

[bbyrd009]

Bert can lie to you, he has a mouth.

[bbyrd009]

I dunno, but I have a hunch (discernment?) that Jesus Himself didn't actually tell you this concerning me. But my discernment may be a bit rusty. Bbyrd? Little help?

Can you feel it burn.

lol
Now that is funny. You have to admit.

Are you judging me?

If so please give me a break

I am not as Holy and righteous and Humble as you are.

Thank you.

lol

And caring...I left that out.

lol


YOU MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.

Of course I am right.

I love righteousness and virtue and truth.
No discernment needed here? He is just as conflicted as the rest of us, imo...now if we just all stop looking for lies, and start looking for truth...

Bert, surely you have spirit in you. Welcome to spirit central, lol...

[Timmy]

Bert can lie to you, he has a mouth.

Are you saying 1 John 4:1-3 won't work on false prophets?

[Timmy]

working...

OK, I'll wait. ;)

[bertcarring]

No discernment needed here? He is just as conflicted as the rest of us, imo...now if we just all stop looking for lies, and start looking for truth...

Bert, surely you have spirit in you. Welcome to spirit central, lol...

My name is not Bert. I have seven Spirits that dwell in my body.

[Amanah]

My name is not Bert. I have seven Spirits that dwell in my body.

since there is One Lord and One Spirit, this news disturbs me.

[bertcarring]

since there is One Lord and One Spirit, this news disturbs me.

Then every time you walk out of your house you more than likely will get disturbed.

And there are seven Spirits of God.

[Timmy]

Bbyrd, you've got your work cut out for you.

[The Matt]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_T8Z9f-Xvo_g/S_IqEUfIkQI/AAAAAAAAA_c/kWSfDtL9O1k/s1600/don't+feed+the+troll.jpg

[bbyrd009]

Are you saying 1 John 4:1-3 won't work on false prophets?

Yes, but you do not query the prophet, who can lie or may be deceived, but the spirit, which cannot lie.
Or, if you are able to query someone, hear a lie, and know the truth, see that it is a spirit that gave you this knowing, right?

[bbyrd009]

Bbyrd, you've got your work cut out for you.
I think when our semantics get on the same page, most of the disagreement will evaporate, I think.

[Timmy]

I think when our semantics get on the same page, most of the disagreement will evaporate, I think.

So, have you queried those seven spirits, yet?

[OneAccord]

Did ya have to put that "Love your enemies..." thing in there? I mean...seriously?

[Timmy]

Did ya have to put that "Love your enemies..." thing in there? I mean...seriously?

:lol

[bbyrd009]

So, have you queried those seven spirits, yet?

To what end?

[Timmy]

To what end?
We have a poster with seven spirits in him. Don't you want to know if they are from God?

[The Matt]

We have a poster with seven spirits in him. Don't you want to know if they are from God?

Ooooh you're cursed now Timmay.

[Timmy]

Ooooh you're cursed now Timmay.

So what else is new? :lol

[bbyrd009]

We have a poster with seven spirits in him. Don't you want to know if they are from God?

Well, I mean, come on. God surely has more than seven spirits, and a poster may claim anything they want. These seven spirits, do any of them strike you as needing to be discerned? Can "Wisdom" be evil? No, but it can be used for evil. Obviously, those spirits are all Godly. A poster may claim them all they like, wishing doesn't make it so, and their spirit, which cannot lie, is right there in the thread with them...Amanah exposed them with a word. Not meaning to put the poster down there, and no hard feelings, I hope, but this does illuminate how we are to "test," and even what we are to test.

You test an unknown spirit, one whose name is not known to you. You know a person by their fruits, just like you know a spirit with a name--we know the fruits of Wisdom, say. To "test" the operating spirit in someone, you just ignore what they say, and see what they do, imo, since a person can say anything, and in fact may not be lying, but only deceived, right?

This should quickly get anyone to the truth. You can say "I am in Christ" all you want, but when you follow that with a post indicating that my sin is obvious to you, and not near as heinous as yours, you reveal who you follow in that moment--even if you are completely right, that is not the point. You are now the Accuser, and the fruit is being made plain. We are all professional waxed fruit detectors, lol, right?

[kevinsmith]

spoken like a person with a heart for God :heart

Yes