God does not accept sin

[bertcarring]

I challenge all the Christian pastors
of all the denominations and the non denominations
to call out and rebuke all those who have married
another man's wife or another wife's husband.
To call them out to stand up and confess
this sin and then to be rebuked in the
name of the Lord for this evil. And to repent from this
and to cease from living together.
And I challenge them to call upon them that
are committing fornication to stand up and to
confess this sin and to be rebuked in the
name of the Lord for this evilness.
You can find this written in the bible.
YOU CHRISTIAN PASTORS THAT ALLOW THIS TO GO
ON IN YOUR CONGREGATION ARE A PARTAKER IN THEIR SINS WITH THEM.
This is written in the bible.

Walk into any Christian church.
on any given day that they are
having any kind of service.
And tell those who are married
to another man's wife and those who are married
to another woman's husband to get up and leave or repent.
THEY WILL GET UP AND LEAVE.
And you will have very few left.
CHRISTIANS THINK THAT GOD HAS GONE BLIND
AND CAN NOT SEE THIS GREAT EVIL
THAT THEY DO IN HIS SIGHT?
CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THAT GOD WILL ACCEPT THIS?
LOOK AT ALL THEIR CHURCHES.
OVER RUN WITH ADULTERERS AND FORNICATORS.
AND THE PASTORS STAND WEEK AFTER WEEK
STARING THEM ALL IN THE FACE AND PREACHING
GOD IS WITH THEM.
I hear the stupidity of Christian preachers and
especially these TV Christians
say oh America is going to be punished because
of the way Israel is treated and
because of this sodomite marriage evil and because
of the abortions.and so forth and so forth.
WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE WHO ARE MARRIED
AND LIVING IN ADULTERY IN ALL THE CHRISTIAN CHURCHES.
THEY ARE JUST AS GUILTY.
AND THE PASTORS THAT OVER LOOK IT AND ALLOW IT AND DO NOTHING ABOUT IT.
ARE JUST AS GUILTY.
THAT'S RIGHT ADULTERY IS A CURSE.
CHILDREN BORN IN IT ARE CURSED.
LOOK AT THIS COUNTRY.
LOOK
CAN YOU SEE HOW EVIL IT IS
AND IT GET WORST EVERY DAY THAN THE DAY BEFORE.
WHY?
SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN AND MORE SIN.
If you are married to a WOMAN that is divorced from her husband.
YOU ARE LIVING IN ADULTERY.
If you are married to a MAN that is divorced from
his wife.
YOU ARE LIVING IN ADULTERY.
LOOK AT ALL THE CHILDREN BORN OUT OF ADULTERY.
DID YOU KNOW THEY CARRY A CURSE ON THEM FROM THAT?
THEY DO NOT PREACH THIS DO THEY.
HOW COME?
I WOULD SAY THAT SOME OF YOU READING THIS
ARE LIVING IN ADULTERY.
ARE YOU GOING TO REPENT?
NO YOU ARE NOT.
YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER OF THE MILLIONS
OF CHRISTIANS LIVING IN ADULTERY.
BELIEVING THAT GOD HAS ACCEPTED YOU
BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED INTO THINKING
THAT JESUS CAME AND DIED FOR YOU AND YOUR SINS.
GOD DOES NOT ACCEPT SIN.
GOD ACCEPTS REPENTING FROM SIN.

[Michael Phelps]

I challenge all the Christian pastors
of all the denominations and the non denominations
to call out and rebuke all those who have married
another man's wife or another wife's husband.
To call them out to stand up and confess
this sin and then to be rebuked in the
name of the Lord for this evil. And to repent from this
and to cease from living together.
And I challenge them to call upon them that
are committing fornication to stand up and to
confess this sin and to be rebuked in the
name of the Lord for this evilness.
You can find this written in the bible.
YOU CHRISTIAN PASTORS THAT ALLOW THIS TO GO
ON IN YOUR CONGREGATION ARE A PARTAKER IN THEIR SINS WITH THEM.
This is written in the bible.

Walk into any Christian church.
on any given day that they are
having any kind of service.
And tell those who are married
to another man's wife and those who are married
to another woman's husband to get up and leave or repent.
THEY WILL GET UP AND LEAVE.
And you will have very few left.
CHRISTIANS THINK THAT GOD HAS GONE BLIND
AND CAN NOT SEE THIS GREAT EVIL
THAT THEY DO IN HIS SIGHT?
CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THAT GOD WILL ACCEPT THIS?
LOOK AT ALL THEIR CHURCHES.
OVER RUN WITH ADULTERERS AND FORNICATORS.
AND THE PASTORS STAND WEEK AFTER WEEK
STARING THEM ALL IN THE FACE AND PREACHING
GOD IS WITH THEM.
I hear the stupidity of Christian preachers and
especially these TV Christians
say oh America is going to be punished because
of the way Israel is treated and
because of this sodomite marriage evil and because
of the abortions.and so forth and so forth.
WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE WHO ARE MARRIED
AND LIVING IN ADULTERY IN ALL THE CHRISTIAN CHURCHES.
THEY ARE JUST AS GUILTY.
AND THE PASTORS THAT OVER LOOK IT AND ALLOW IT AND DO NOTHING ABOUT IT.
ARE JUST AS GUILTY.
THAT'S RIGHT ADULTERY IS A CURSE.
CHILDREN BORN IN IT ARE CURSED.
LOOK AT THIS COUNTRY.
LOOK
CAN YOU SEE HOW EVIL IT IS
AND IT GET WORST EVERY DAY THAN THE DAY BEFORE.
WHY?
SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN AND MORE SIN.
If you are married to a WOMAN that is divorced from her husband.
YOU ARE LIVING IN ADULTERY.
If you are married to a MAN that is divorced from
his wife.
YOU ARE LIVING IN ADULTERY.
LOOK AT ALL THE CHILDREN BORN OUT OF ADULTERY.
DID YOU KNOW THEY CARRY A CURSE ON THEM FROM THAT?
THEY DO NOT PREACH THIS DO THEY.
HOW COME?
I WOULD SAY THAT SOME OF YOU READING THIS
ARE LIVING IN ADULTERY.
ARE YOU GOING TO REPENT?
NO YOU ARE NOT.
YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER OF THE MILLIONS
OF CHRISTIANS LIVING IN ADULTERY.
BELIEVING THAT GOD HAS ACCEPTED YOU
BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED INTO THINKING
THAT JESUS CAME AND DIED FOR YOU AND YOUR SINS.
GOD DOES NOT ACCEPT SIN.
GOD ACCEPTS REPENTING FROM SIN.

Couple of questions for you:

1.) What is the person was married and divorced before they were saved? Now they are remarried to a Christian spouse.......should they divorce that spouse?

2.) What if the person who is remarried was not in favor of the first divorce, but their spouse left them - is it still wrong for that person who was deserted to remarry?

3.) Please include the scriptures you refer to about fornicators being called out in front of the entire congregation.

[bertcarring]

Couple of questions for you:

1.) What is the person was married and divorced before they were saved? Now they are remarried to a Christian spouse.......should they divorce that spouse?

2.) What if the person who is remarried was not in favor of the first divorce, but their spouse left them - is it still wrong for that person who was deserted to remarry?

3.) Please include the scriptures you refer to about fornicators being called out in front of the entire congregation.
---------------------------

What if a sinner was a sinner before they come to know the Truth?
Do they have to repent from their sins?

What if a person does not like a commandment of God, do they still have to obey it?

1 Timothy
Chapter 5,
20: Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

[bertcarring]

Feel very free to ask me any questions concerning anything I post. I want to be completely understood to the very utmost.

[bbyrd009]

God divorced Israel, is my understanding...wrote a decree, and "put Her away." Guess someone will prolly want Scripture for that...

[Michael Phelps]

Couple of questions for you:

1.) What is the person was married and divorced before they were saved? Now they are remarried to a Christian spouse.......should they divorce that spouse?

2.) What if the person who is remarried was not in favor of the first divorce, but their spouse left them - is it still wrong for that person who was deserted to remarry?

3.) Please include the scriptures you refer to about fornicators being called out in front of the entire congregation.
---------------------------

What if a sinner was a sinner before they come to know the Truth?
Do they have to repent from their sins?

What if a person does not like a commandment of God, do they still have to obey it?

1 Timothy
Chapter 5,
20: Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Wow, I'm confused......you didn't answer any of my questions.

Ok, so when Jesus told the woman who had been married 5 times, and was with a man who was not her husband, to go and "Sin no more" did he mean that she should go back and remarry her first husband?

Oh, and your "scriptural backing" is very generic. Please be more specific.

[Timmy]

Feel very free to ask me any questions concerning anything I post. I want to be completely understood to the very utmost.

Will someone be held accountable for a sin, if they didn't know it was a sin?

[bertcarring]

Wow, I'm confused......you didn't answer any of my questions.

Ok, so when Jesus told the woman who had been married 5 times, and was with a man who was not her husband, to go and "Sin no more" did he mean that she should go back and remarry her first husband?

Oh, and your "scriptural backing" is very generic. Please be more specific.

Let me be blunt with you right up front. You are fooling no one in heaven. They cannot be fooled. And it does not matter to me if you accept the answers I gave you.

God accepts them.

That makes them Lord.

To which either you abide by them or not.

That is not my concern.

So please do not address me as if I am to convince you or save you or rescue you from yourself or make you do what is right.

That is not why I am here.

[scotty]

Let me be blunt with you right up front. You are fooling no one in heaven. They cannot be fooled. And it does not matter to me if you accept the answers I gave you.

God accepts them.

That makes them Lord.

To which either you abide by them or not.

That is not my concern.

So please do not address me as if I am to convince you or save you or rescue you from yourself or make you do what is right.

That is not why I am here.

I don't think anyone is asking you to convince them of anything. But if you come here and make these declarations you must have scriptural backing. Otherwise these are just your opinions. Which are a dime a dozen.

Valid questions have been asked. There is scripture which gives a spouse who has been deserted the right to remarry. Your opinion goes against scripture.

The other question was that if those who divorced outside of salvation remarry then come to God, are they to divorce each other? If God forgives them and fills them with the Holy Ghost, how is it you condemn them?

[bertcarring]

I don't think anyone is asking you to convince them of anything. But if you come here and make these declarations you must have scriptural backing. Otherwise these are just your opinions. Which are a dime a dozen.

Valid questions have been asked. There is scripture which gives a spouse who has been deserted the right to remarry. Your opinion goes against scripture.

The other question was that if those who divorced outside of salvation remarry then come to God, are they to divorce each other? If God forgives them and fills them with the Holy Ghost, how is it you condemn them?

All this is meaningless that you have said here to me.

What I have stated will stand with God.

[bertcarring]

The only scripture that gives you the right to marry another that has been divorced is if their spouse had committed fornication or is dead.

That is it.

PERIOD

[scotty]

All this is meaningless that you have said here to me.

What I have stated will stand with God.

How do you know ? You place yourself as a god or equal to God with your statements. Is that your proclamation? That you are God? It must stand with the Word of God, which it does not. If it does, please show us where. Otherwise your just babbling your opinions.

[bertcarring]

And even then...depending with the Lord if that is even acceptable.

[bertcarring]

How do you know ? You place yourself as a god or equal to God with your statements. Is that your proclamation? That you are God? It must stand with the Word of God, which it does not. If it does, please show us where. Otherwise your just babbling your opinions.

Show you.

lol

You are joking are you not.

You would have to be blind not to see it if you read the bible.

[bertcarring]

You can read all about it in the Book of Matthew.

[scotty]

The only scripture that gives you the right to marry another that has been divorced is if their spouse had committed fornication or is dead.

That is it.

PERIOD

1 Corinthians 7
15 But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace. 16 For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?

[scotty]

Show you.

lol

You are joking are you not.

You would have to be blind not to see it if you read the bible.

No, I'm very serious. You dispute the teachings of others yet can not teach yourself ? Now who is joking ?

[bertcarring]

No, I'm very serious. You dispute the teachings of others yet can not teach yourself ? Now who is joking ?

You are very disrespectful. And have no Wisdom of God. I would recommend that you do not post to me again.

[scotty]

You are very disrespectful. And have no Wisdom of God. I would recommend that you do not post to me again.

You have laughed and called my responses funny. Yet I have not mocked you nor your understanding of scripture, I have simply asked for clarification. If you are going to teach then you must teach with scripture. If I have no wisdom of God then it is your responsibility to teach me, otherwise your just a sounding brass, a clinging cymbol... that is scripture.

Your attitude here is unscriptural, unGodly, and with out the love and compassion that Jesus taught us as His followers to have.

And as long as you post on this forum I will respond to you as I please.

[bertcarring]

And as long as you post on this forum I will respond to you as I please.

James, Chapter 4, 15: For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.

Really now?

Just who do you think you are talking too?

[bertcarring]

You might just get into something your grandmothers prayers will not rescue you from.

[scotty]

James, Chapter 4, 15: For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.

Really now?

Just who do you think you are talking too?

I am talking to a simple man who is nothing but what God gives him. What God gives is evidenced by the fruits. I have seen no fruits.

James 4; 12 There is one Lawgiver who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another?

You might just get into something your grandmothers prayers will not rescue you from.

Now thats funny, doubtful, but funny. And grandmother is gone now.

[The Matt]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_T8Z9f-Xvo_g/S_IqEUfIkQI/AAAAAAAAA_c/kWSfDtL9O1k/s1600/don't+feed+the+troll.jpg
You will know them by their fruits. What fruit is he producing here, other than cochatrice eggs?

[Michael Phelps]

Let me be blunt with you right up front. You are fooling no one in heaven. They cannot be fooled. And it does not matter to me if you accept the answers I gave you.

God accepts them.

That makes them Lord.

To which either you abide by them or not.

That is not my concern.

So please do not address me as if I am to convince you or save you or rescue you from yourself or make you do what is right.

That is not why I am here.

Further confused. Still no answers. Just empty threats. You have zero credibility with me.

I really wish you would address Jesus' statement to the woman who had been married 5 times, tho. Because you said you welcome questions so you can be completely clear.

Oh yeah, and Scotty posted a great scripture which begs some discussion.

However, all I've seen so far is that you're completely unclear, uneducated, and uncouth. And threatening us with something our grandmother's prayers can't get us out of?

If you're not another poster just putting us on, and you're serious about this, then I really feel bad for you. You're self deluded and an insult to the gospel.

[bertcarring]

Further confused. Still no answers. Just empty threats. You have zero credibility with me.

I really wish you would address Jesus' statement to the woman who had been married 5 times, tho. Because you said you welcome questions so you can be completely clear.

Oh yeah, and Scotty posted a great scripture which begs some discussion.

However, all I've seen so far is that you're completely unclear, uneducated, and uncouth. And threatening us with something our grandmother's prayers can't get us out of?

If you're not another poster just putting us on, and you're serious about this, then I really feel bad for you. You're self deluded and an insult to the gospel.

Say on. Tell me more of what you think about me and how I am insult to the Gospel.

Are you a pastor?

I want you pastors to come tell me what you think about me. Come tell me how I am an insult to the Gospel.

[bertcarring]

That is exactly why the Lord sent me here...too see what you think about what he told me to post.

SO BY ALL MEANS STEP RIGHT UP AND GIVE US ALL YOU HAVE.

lol

[bertcarring]

I love it when the Lord sends me to sinners such as ye.

lol

Those that do as they please say as they please and let me know right quick they can be as they want to be any time they want to be.

lol

This is my area of expertise.

lol

[Michael Phelps]

I love it when the Lord sends me to sinners such as ye.

lol

Those that do as they please say as they please and let me know right quick they can be as they want to be any time they want to be.

lol

This is my area of expertise.

lol

Uh, you may be hearing voices, but I seriously doubt it's the Lord!

I'm done, my friend, good luck to you, provide some facts and scriptures to back your claims, and I'll be happy to discuss. Until then, I have much better things to do.

[KeptByTheWord]

Uh, you may be hearing voices, but I seriously doubt it's the Lord!

I'm done, my friend, good luck to you, provide some facts and scriptures to back your claims, and I'll be happy to discuss. Until then, I have much better things to do.

:highfive

[bertcarring]

I challenge all the Christian pastors
of all the denominations and the non denominations
to call out and rebuke all those who have married
another man's wife or another wife's husband.
To call them out to stand up and confess
this sin and then to be rebuked in the
name of the Lord for this evil. And to repent from this
and to cease from living together.
And I challenge them to call upon them that
are committing fornication to stand up and to
confess this sin and to be rebuked in the
name of the Lord for this evilness.
You can find this written in the bible.
YOU CHRISTIAN PASTORS THAT ALLOW THIS TO GO
ON IN YOUR CONGREGATION ARE A PARTAKER IN THEIR SINS WITH THEM.
This is written in the bible.

Walk into any Christian church.
on any given day that they are
having any kind of service.
And tell those who are married
to another man's wife and those who are married
to another woman's husband to get up and leave or repent.
THEY WILL GET UP AND LEAVE.
And you will have very few left.
CHRISTIANS THINK THAT GOD HAS GONE BLIND
AND CAN NOT SEE THIS GREAT EVIL
THAT THEY DO IN HIS SIGHT?
CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THAT GOD WILL ACCEPT THIS?
LOOK AT ALL THEIR CHURCHES.
OVER RUN WITH ADULTERERS AND FORNICATORS.
AND THE PASTORS STAND WEEK AFTER WEEK
STARING THEM ALL IN THE FACE AND PREACHING
GOD IS WITH THEM.
I hear the stupidity of Christian preachers and
especially these TV Christians
say oh America is going to be punished because
of the way Israel is treated and
because of this sodomite marriage evil and because
of the abortions.and so forth and so forth.
WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE WHO ARE MARRIED
AND LIVING IN ADULTERY IN ALL THE CHRISTIAN CHURCHES.
THEY ARE JUST AS GUILTY.
AND THE PASTORS THAT OVER LOOK IT AND ALLOW IT AND DO NOTHING ABOUT IT.
ARE JUST AS GUILTY.
THAT'S RIGHT ADULTERY IS A CURSE.
CHILDREN BORN IN IT ARE CURSED.
LOOK AT THIS COUNTRY.
LOOK
CAN YOU SEE HOW EVIL IT IS
AND IT GET WORST EVERY DAY THAN THE DAY BEFORE.
WHY?
SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN AND MORE SIN.
If you are married to a WOMAN that is divorced from her husband.
YOU ARE LIVING IN ADULTERY.
If you are married to a MAN that is divorced from
his wife.
YOU ARE LIVING IN ADULTERY.
LOOK AT ALL THE CHILDREN BORN OUT OF ADULTERY.
DID YOU KNOW THEY CARRY A CURSE ON THEM FROM THAT?
THEY DO NOT PREACH THIS DO THEY.
HOW COME?
I WOULD SAY THAT SOME OF YOU READING THIS
ARE LIVING IN ADULTERY.
ARE YOU GOING TO REPENT?
NO YOU ARE NOT.
YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER OF THE MILLIONS
OF CHRISTIANS LIVING IN ADULTERY.
BELIEVING THAT GOD HAS ACCEPTED YOU
BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED INTO THINKING
THAT JESUS CAME AND DIED FOR YOU AND YOUR SINS.
GOD DOES NOT ACCEPT SIN.
GOD ACCEPTS REPENTING FROM SIN.

Matthew
Chapter 19

3:The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

4: And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5:And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6:Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

7:They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

8:He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

9:And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

[bertcarring]

Once you are joined to a woman in marriage, you are joined with her and she is joined with you in spirit for the duration of the life of that flesh.

The courts of men cannot separate what God hath joined together.

[bertcarring]

Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Do you see that? This is the WORD OF GOD!

[bertcarring]

This is not if you want to accept it.

This is not well I made a mistake.

This is not

I did not know any better.

THIS IS THE WAY IT IS.

[bertcarring]

And God did not change it.

Is not going to change it.

And if you rebel against it or resist it or do anything that is not acceptable to God concerning it.

you will be punished with a curse and all those who are partakers with it with you will be punished with a curse.

THAT IS THE WAY IT IS.

And if you Pastors still do not heed the WORD OF THE LORD,

further action will be taken against ye.

[The Matt]

A trolls mission: To have the last word. This mission will never end, until said troll has the last word. No amount of sense, or truth will allow this troll to discontinue his or her mission.

[bbyrd009]

It's ok to be zealous for something--but life does intrude.

[Cindy]

Good grief. :crazywalls

[Austin]

I don't know about where other people are in the covenant with Jesus! But I do know where I am and in whom I am
.
I understand that Jesus went into the Holiest of Hollies which is in heaven. He did this once and for all, and there he atoned for sin. He then went and sat down at the right hand of majesty expecting from that time forward until his enemies become his footstool.

When I think about my sins I have to think , Did he atone for mine, yes.
When did he do that? two thousand years ago.
How many sins did he atone for? All.
Who's sins did he atone for? Everyone.
When did he do that? two thousand years ago.
When was it applied to me. Two thousand years ago.
When did I receive it? When I received Him by faith.
So what then did I receive?
I received complete atonement for past, present, and future sins, that sin and the law no longer have power over me to curse me or condemn me.

I'am judged by the law of faith and not works, for the scripture said" by the great apostle Paul himself " That in the sight of the Lord, NO flesh shall be justified by the works of the Law."

Listen, sin is sin, don't make no difference what color you paint it.
Another thing, there is no one on here or anywhere that is without sin, no matter how much they try to convince someone else.

If we are not walking in the new nature spiritually, and if we are not operating in the power of the Holy Ghost then we are not overcoming sin.
The pentecostals have the same temptations and failures that the baptist, Methodist and everyone else that is human have.

Let God be true and every man a liar!

[Nitehawk013]

That guy is awesome! Someone should look into hiring him to just pop in here once a week or so and just rant about something. It gets the blood flowing.

[Amanah]

resistance is futile!!!!

[bbyrd009]

resistance is futile!!!!

Ok, Amanah, does your little Signature dog have variable speeds, or am I hallucinating?

[bertcarring]

I don't know about where other people are in the covenant with Jesus! But I do know where I am and in whom I am
.
I understand that Jesus went into the Holiest of Hollies which is in heaven. He did this once and for all, and there he atoned for sin. He then went and sat down at the right hand of majesty expecting from that time forward until his enemies become his footstool.

When I think about my sins I have to think , Did he atone for mine, yes.
When did he do that? two thousand years ago.
How many sins did he atone for? All.
Who's sins did he atone for? Everyone.
When did he do that? two thousand years ago.
When was it applied to me. Two thousand years ago.
When did I receive it? When I received Him by faith.
So what then did I receive?
I received complete atonement for past, present, and future sins, that sin and the law no longer have power over me to curse me or condemn me.

I'am judged by the law of faith and not works, for the scripture said" by the great apostle Paul himself " That in the sight of the Lord, NO flesh shall be justified by the works of the Law."

Listen, sin is sin, don't make no difference what color you paint it.
Another thing, there is no one on here or anywhere that is without sin, no matter how much they try to convince someone else.

If we are not walking in the new nature spiritually, and if we are not operating in the power of the Holy Ghost then we are not overcoming sin.
The pentecostals have the same temptations and failures that the baptist, Methodist and everyone else that is human have.

Let God be true and every man a liar!

A lot of this is incorrect.

[crakjak]

Someone is fooling around on this thread, not to be taken seriously, or the joke's on you!! LOL

[bertcarring]

Someone is fooling around on this thread, not to be taken seriously, or the joke's on you!! LOL

Are you inferring this about I?

[bertcarring]

If you have something to say to me please do it plainly. My understanding is a little lacking sometimes.

Thank you.

[Michael Phelps]

If you have something to say to me please do it plainly. My understanding is a little lacking sometimes.

Thank you.

Hahaha, this is the first 100% true thing you've said on this forum!!!!!!! Bravo!!!:laffatu

[The Matt]

If you have something to say to me please do it plainly. My understanding is a little lacking sometimes.

Thank you.

I'm proud of you bertcarring. A word of truth.

[Aquila]

I challenge all the Christian pastors
of all the denominations and the non denominations
to call out and rebuke all those who have married
another man's wife or another wife's husband.
To call them out to stand up and confess
this sin and then to be rebuked in the
name of the Lord for this evil. And to repent from this
and to cease from living together.
And I challenge them to call upon them that
are committing fornication to stand up and to
confess this sin and to be rebuked in the
name of the Lord for this evilness.
You can find this written in the bible.
YOU CHRISTIAN PASTORS THAT ALLOW THIS TO GO
ON IN YOUR CONGREGATION ARE A PARTAKER IN THEIR SINS WITH THEM.
This is written in the bible.

Walk into any Christian church.
on any given day that they are
having any kind of service.
And tell those who are married
to another man's wife and those who are married
to another woman's husband to get up and leave or repent.
THEY WILL GET UP AND LEAVE.
And you will have very few left.
CHRISTIANS THINK THAT GOD HAS GONE BLIND
AND CAN NOT SEE THIS GREAT EVIL
THAT THEY DO IN HIS SIGHT?
CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THAT GOD WILL ACCEPT THIS?
LOOK AT ALL THEIR CHURCHES.
OVER RUN WITH ADULTERERS AND FORNICATORS.
AND THE PASTORS STAND WEEK AFTER WEEK
STARING THEM ALL IN THE FACE AND PREACHING
GOD IS WITH THEM.
I hear the stupidity of Christian preachers and
especially these TV Christians
say oh America is going to be punished because
of the way Israel is treated and
because of this sodomite marriage evil and because
of the abortions.and so forth and so forth.
WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE WHO ARE MARRIED
AND LIVING IN ADULTERY IN ALL THE CHRISTIAN CHURCHES.
THEY ARE JUST AS GUILTY.
AND THE PASTORS THAT OVER LOOK IT AND ALLOW IT AND DO NOTHING ABOUT IT.
ARE JUST AS GUILTY.
THAT'S RIGHT ADULTERY IS A CURSE.
CHILDREN BORN IN IT ARE CURSED.
LOOK AT THIS COUNTRY.
LOOK
CAN YOU SEE HOW EVIL IT IS
AND IT GET WORST EVERY DAY THAN THE DAY BEFORE.
WHY?
SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN AND MORE SIN.
If you are married to a WOMAN that is divorced from her husband.
YOU ARE LIVING IN ADULTERY.
If you are married to a MAN that is divorced from
his wife.
YOU ARE LIVING IN ADULTERY.
LOOK AT ALL THE CHILDREN BORN OUT OF ADULTERY.
DID YOU KNOW THEY CARRY A CURSE ON THEM FROM THAT?
THEY DO NOT PREACH THIS DO THEY.
HOW COME?
I WOULD SAY THAT SOME OF YOU READING THIS
ARE LIVING IN ADULTERY.
ARE YOU GOING TO REPENT?
NO YOU ARE NOT.
YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER OF THE MILLIONS
OF CHRISTIANS LIVING IN ADULTERY.
BELIEVING THAT GOD HAS ACCEPTED YOU
BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED INTO THINKING
THAT JESUS CAME AND DIED FOR YOU AND YOUR SINS.
GOD DOES NOT ACCEPT SIN.
GOD ACCEPTS REPENTING FROM SIN.

If we understand the Jewish process of divorce under the Law of Moses and the plight of the Agunot, we realize that the reason why it was adultery to re-marry in ancient Israel is because in this context, the wife was put away without a get(writ of divorcement). Thus, under the Law of Moses, she was still married to the husband who "put her away". Jews struggle with this today. Many will get a civil divorce in court but the husbands will deny the wife a get. By doing this they prevent her from ever remarrying in the Jewish community and should she remarry the Jewish community will reject her as an adulteress and her new husband as an adulterer. Today many Jewish men bribe Jewish women for the get by demanding custody rights and no alimony etc. In Jesus' day they were keeping the dowery and condemning the woman to live in bodage or be condemned as an adulteress.

Christ's words are rebuking the love of money and the abuse of women among the Pharisees, not necessarily remarriage after divorce.

[bertcarring]

If we understand the Jewish process of divorce under the Law of Moses and the plight of the Agunot, we realize that the reason why it was adultery to re-marry in ancient Israel is because in this context, the wife was put away without a get(writ of divorcement). Thus, under the Law of Moses, she was still married to the husband who "put her away". Jews struggle with this today. Many will get a civil divorce in court but the husbands will deny the wife a get. By doing this they prevent her from ever remarrying in the Jewish community and should she remarry the Jewish community will reject her as an adulteress and her new husband as an adulterer. Today many Jewish men bribe Jewish women for the get by demanding custody rights and no alimony etc. In Jesus' day they were keeping the dowery and condemning the woman to live in bodage or be condemned as an adulteress.

Christ's words are rebuking the love of money and the abuse of women among the Pharisees, not necessarily remarriage after divorce.

The problem you have with your theory here that you have posted is that

you can find what God said about joining a man and a woman way way way back in the book of Genesis which was before the days of your theory.

[bertcarring]

Try something else. That didn't work out for you.

[Aquila]

The problem you have with your theory here that you have posted is that

you can find what God said about joining a man and a woman way way way back in the book of Genesis which was before the days of your theory.

You need to study rabbinical commentary on the teachings of Jesus and the Agunah (Agunot). You can also Youtube those subjects and see that this is still a problem in Judaism even today. A legalistic Western Evangelical interpretation doesn't take the entire historical and cultural context of ancient Judaism into consideration.

Therefore, you are wrongfully condemning believing families who have already suffered the emotional pain and agony of divorce. Thereby adding to their hurt instead of mending their souls.

Selah.

[bertcarring]

You need to study rabbinical commentary on the teachings of Jesus and the Agunah (Agunot). You can also Youtube those subjects and see that this is still a problem in Judaism even today. A legalistic Western Evangelical interpretation doesn't take the entire historical and cultural context of ancient Judaism into consideration.

Therefore, you are wrongfully condemning believing families who have already suffered the emotional pain and agony of divorce. Thereby adding to their hurt instead of mending their souls.

No I do not need to study what so and so says. I have the Spirit of Truth within me. And I have the plainly written Word of God for the flesh to read with my own 2 eyes.

Did you know that Jesus commanded his disciples not to call anyone Rabbi?

Either you are not 1 of his disciples or you are disobeying his commandment or you did not know about this.

Which is it?

[Pressing-On]

No I do not need to study what so and so says. I have the Spirit of Truth within me. And I have the plainly written Word of God for the flesh to read with my own 2 eyes.

Did you know that Jesus commanded his disciples not to call anyone Rabbi?

Either you are not 1 of his disciples or you are disobeying his commandment or you did not know about this.

Which is it?

Berkley, This better not be you. :smack

[bertcarring]

Berkley, This better not be you. :smack

What denomination are you a member of?

[Pressing-On]

What denomination are you a member of?

There is no way I am going to indulge this ignorance.

[bertcarring]

There is no way I am going to indulge this ignorance.

Berkley, This better not be you.

Is far more ignorant than

What denomination are you a member of?

Your effort to embarrass me was put back on you by the Lord.

[bertcarring]

Is there any among you that has any integrity?

If so please let me see it.

[Aquila]

No I do not need to study

That's the problem.

You're teaching for doctrines the traditions of men about a passage instead of seeking the deeper meaning of the actual text.

Paul said,

1 Corinthians 7:27-28 ESV
Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be free. Are you free from a wife? Do not seek a wife. But if you do marry, you have not sinned,

Remarriage isn't a sin unless one marries one still bound to a spouse...Agunah.

This "Spirit of Truth" business is only a retreat into ignorance to hide from those who KNOW God's truth more than you do with your uninformed personal interpretation.

Forbidding to marry is a doctrine of devils who intend to divide and condemn the Lord's anointed.

[bertcarring]

That's the problem.

You're teaching for doctrines the traditions of men about a passage instead of seeking the deeper meaning of the actual text.

Paul said,

1 Corinthians 7:27-28 ESV
Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be free. Are you free from a wife? Do not seek a wife. But if you do marry, you have not sinned,

Remarriage isn't a sin unless one marries one still bound to a spouse...Agunah.

This "Spirit of Truth" business is only a retreat into ignorance to hide from those who KNOW God's truth more than you do with your uninformed personal interpretation.

Forbidding to marry is a doctrine of devils who intend to divide and condemn the Lord's anointed.

Which denomination are you a member of?

[Aquila]

Which denomination are you a member of?

Denomination? I'm not of a denomination. I'm a disciple of Jesus. I was a member of the UPCI for 21 years. I now fellowship any believer who is seeking more of Jesus. I will gather with one of three congregational gatherings. Two are Apostolic and one is Southern Baptist. However, I regularly attend a small network of house churches. We have no vision for buildings, salaries, paid staff, or denominational affiliation. We are elder led and focus on house churching, street preaching, and missional service with three charities: the Dayton Food Bank, Target Dayton Ministries, and the Dayton Gospel Mission.

[bertcarring]

Thank you for the answer.

[Aquila]

Thank you for the answer.

Betcarring,

May I ask what "denomination" are you?

[bertcarring]

Betcarring,

May I ask what "denomination" are you?

I am not anything of this world.

I am not of this world.

[bertcarring]

Denomination? I'm not of a denomination. I'm a disciple of Jesus. I was a member of the UPCI for 21 years. I now fellowship any believer who is seeking more of Jesus. I will gather with one of three congregational gatherings. Two are Apostolic and one is Southern Baptist. However, I regularly attend a small network of house churches. We have no vision for buildings, salaries, paid staff, or denominational affiliation. We are elder led and focus on house churching, street preaching, and missional service with three charities: the Dayton Food Bank, Target Dayton Ministries, and the Dayton Gospel Mission.

What is your thoughts on this?

2 John
Chapter 1
9: Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10: If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

[bertcarring]

That's the problem.

You're teaching for doctrines the traditions of men about a passage instead of seeking the deeper meaning of the actual text.

Paul said,

1 Corinthians 7:27-28 ESV
Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be free. Are you free from a wife? Do not seek a wife. But if you do marry, you have not sinned,

Remarriage isn't a sin unless one marries one still bound to a spouse...Agunah.

This "Spirit of Truth" business is only a retreat into ignorance to hide from those who KNOW God's truth more than you do with your uninformed personal interpretation.

Forbidding to marry is a doctrine of devils who intend to divide and condemn the Lord's anointed.

I notice here you have quote from the bible the writings of Paul.

Do you believe everything that this man wrote that is found in the bible?

[Michael Phelps]

There is no way I am going to indulge this ignorance.

:thumbsup

[Aquila]

I am not anything of this world.

I am not of this world.

I could have told you that you’re a space cadet. Lol

[Aquila]

What is your thoughts on this?

2 John
Chapter 1
9: Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10: If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Well, first you just plucked three verses out of an entire passage. Let’s look at the entire passage together and then sum up the writer’s original meaning. Here’s our text:

2 John 1:4-11 (KJV)
{1:4} I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children
walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from
the Father. {1:5} And now I beseech thee, lady, not as
though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that
which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
{1:6} And this is love, that we walk after his
commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have
heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. {1:7} For
many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not
that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and
an antichrist. {1:8} Look to yourselves, that we lose not
those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a
full reward. {1:9} Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not
in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in
the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
{1:10} If there come any unto you, and bring not this
doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him
God speed: {1:11} For he that biddeth him God speed is
partaker of his evil deeds.

John is the second epistle of John. It was most likely written from Ephesus. While I John was written to be circulated among the churches in Asia Minor, the audience of this letter is often debated. It is addressed to “the elect lady”. Translation of this phrase lends itself to several possible meanings. First, this could be figurative and indicating that this letter was written to a specific church in Asia Minor. It could also mean that the letter was written to a specific woman that John knew in Asia Minor. I personally believe that the term is used figuratively and indeed was circulated and eventually added to the Canon. So, I will be taking that approach in my interpretation.

As for our passage above, John commends the church for walking in the truth and obeying the Father’s commandment. John indicates that this is no knew commandment. The commandment is that they love one another. John’s epistles focus on two commandments. Loving God and loving the brethren. It can be argued that contextually these are the “commandments” that John refers to throughout his epistles.

John explains that they are to walk in the commandment to love one another and remember that many deceivers are entered into the world who do not believe that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. This is a reference to an ancient Christian heresy known as Gnosticism. They believed that Jesus was a materialized spirit being, not actual flesh. John lists these individuals as being deceivers and antichrist. They are to take heed to this that they do not become infiltrated with false doctrine and thereby lose their reward.

The doctrine of Christ…

John states that whosoever doesn’t abide in the doctrine of Christ (Christ’s teachings regarding loving God, loving one another, and His identity as God) “hath not God”. However, whoever abides in these teachings of Jesus has both the Father and the Son. No “third person” is mentioned here. John is likely alluding to the understanding that Father was manifest in the Son. This is a perichoretic oneness expressing the coinherence of two distinct natures (humanity and divinity). Coinherence is the state wherein two distinct realities subsist in a single state of being (as illustrated by Jesus in John 10:30 and John 14:8-11). These two subsistent realities are the Father and the Son. The Father is no doubt God Almighty. The Son is the man Jesus Christ. In these distinct realities we see both natures fully expressed. Therefore we see the Son praying to the Father and the Father speaking from Heaven with regards to the Son. However, the perichoretic coinherence of their subsistent realities demand that they are a single being. Thus we see one person manifest in two distinct, but not separate, natures. To put it bluntly, Jesus is God. Therefore, as John states, to have the Son is to have the Father. To have not the Son is to have not the Father. He that abides in this teaching has both the Father and the Son.

The charge…

During the first 200 to 300 years of Christianity Christians didn’t have “church buildings”. Christians primarily met in two places. In Judea early Christians met in the Temple with their Jewish friends and family (until the Jews rejected Christian fellowship and the temple was destroyed) and in homes. Throughout the Roman Empire most believers simply met in homes. It was therefore customary when gathering to receive brethren into this home based meetings. These meetings were structured as Paul stipulated in I Corinthians 14. This means that in these gatherings all in attendance “may all prophesy one by one”. They didn’t have the “pastoral” system with one man behind the pulpit teaching the entire congregation who listened from their pews. It was a discussion based meeting. The danger here was that deceivers and false prophets might attend these meetings and begin sharing and discussion false doctrine. Any individual coming to these gatherings who presented themselves as learned teachers were to be questioned with regards to if they believed that Jesus was indeed God manifested in flesh (full humanity). Anyone denying this doctrinal truth was denied fellowship in their home based gatherings. It was customary for churches to send letters of recommendation and fellowship along with, or ahead of, traveling elders (evangelists) so that other gatherings of Christians would receive them warmly. However, John states that they are not to give any support, not even a blessing, to false teachers (specifically the Gnostics). This is because if they did they would be furthering error and not truth, thereby being partakers in his evil deeds.

I pray I’ve properly explained my understanding of this text.

[Aquila]

I notice here you have quote from the bible the writings of Paul.

Do you believe everything that this man wrote that is found in the bible?

Yes.

[Aquila]

This thread fails to see what Jesus was truly talking about. Let’s look at the text:
Matthew 19:3-9
{19:3} The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him,
and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his
wife for every cause? {19:4} And he answered and said
unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made [them] at
the beginning made them male and female, {19:5} And
said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and
shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
{19:6} Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh.
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put
asunder. {19:7} They say unto him, Why did Moses then
command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her
away? {19:8} He saith unto them, Moses because of the
hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your
wives: but from the beginning it was not so. {19:9} And I
say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it
be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth
adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth
commit adultery.
The above passage is one of the most misunderstood passages in the NT. The Pharisees were questioning Jesus about “putting away” in Matthew. In ancient Judea there was a practice of sending a wife away without a writ of divorcement (the “get”). This ensured that the husband could keep the dowry and that the wife would not be able to remarry. Even today we see this issue arise in Judaism. Women in this situation are called Agunah, or “bound women”. Their husbands have put them away, however they are still bound to their husbands on account of the husband not giving the get. Notice that in Matthew 19:7 the Pharisees themselves speak of the writing of divorcement AND the putting away. In verse 3 the Pharisees skipped the writing of divorcement and simply asked about “putting away”. They were asking about this quite common practice.

Jesus tells them that whoever puts away his wife and marries another (referring to their question in verse 3) has committed adultery. Jesus also states that whoever marries the woman put away commits adultery. Why is this? Because merely putting away a woman without a writing of divorcement leaves the marriage fully intact in God’s sight. One had to issue the writing of divorcement per the Law of Moses to have the right to remarry.

Let’s look at the Gospel of Luke:

Luke 16:13-18
{16:13} No servant can serve two masters: for either he
will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to
the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and
mammon. {16:14} And the Pharisees also, who were
covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him.
{16:15} And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify
yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for
that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in
the sight of God. {16:16} The law and the prophets [were]
until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached,
and every man presseth into it. {16:17} And it is easier for
heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
{16:18} Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth
another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her
that is put away from [her] husband committeth adultery.

Notice that the focus of Jesus is serving God and money. The text points out that the Pharisees were scandalously covetous. Jesus rebukes their efforts to justify themselves before men and speaks of the eternality of the Law of God. Then Jesus throws putting away and remarriage up again. Jesus states that whoever puts a wife away, and marries another commits adultery. And whoever marries her that is put way commits adultery. Why was this thrown in right here? Again, Jesus is addressing their greed and covetousness with regards to them “putting away” their wives without the “get” and thereby claiming their right to keep the dowry, remarry, and leave their wives bound.

Jesus is rebuking the greed and abuse found among the Pharisees and defending women from their abuse and bondage by declaring that men who do this are adulterers if they remarry… and they “causeth her to commit adultery” if she remarries (clearly a sin on their hands).

[bertcarring]

This thread fails to see what Jesus was truly talking about. Let’s look at the text:
Matthew 19:3-9
{19:3} The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him,
and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his
wife for every cause? {19:4} And he answered and said
unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made [them] at
the beginning made them male and female, {19:5} And
said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and
shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
{19:6} Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh.
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put
asunder. {19:7} They say unto him, Why did Moses then
command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her
away? {19:8} He saith unto them, Moses because of the
hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your
wives: but from the beginning it was not so. {19:9} And I
say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it
be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth
adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth
commit adultery.
The above passage is one of the most misunderstood passages in the NT. The Pharisees were questioning Jesus about “putting away” in Matthew. In ancient Judea there was a practice of sending a wife away without a writ of divorcement (the “get”). This ensured that the husband could keep the dowry and that the wife would not be able to remarry. Even today we see this issue arise in Judaism. Women in this situation are called Agunah, or “bound women”. Their husbands have put them away, however they are still bound to their husbands on account of the husband not giving the get. Notice that in Matthew 19:7 the Pharisees themselves speak of the writing of divorcement AND the putting away. In verse 3 the Pharisees skipped the writing of divorcement and simply asked about “putting away”. They were asking about this quite common practice.

Jesus tells them that whoever puts away his wife and marries another (referring to their question in verse 3) has committed adultery. Jesus also states that whoever marries the woman put away commits adultery. Why is this? Because merely putting away a woman without a writing of divorcement leaves the marriage fully intact in God’s sight. One had to issue the writing of divorcement per the Law of Moses to have the right to remarry.

Let’s look at the Gospel of Luke:

Luke 16:13-18
{16:13} No servant can serve two masters: for either he
will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to
the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and
mammon. {16:14} And the Pharisees also, who were
covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him.
{16:15} And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify
yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for
that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in
the sight of God. {16:16} The law and the prophets [were]
until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached,
and every man presseth into it. {16:17} And it is easier for
heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
{16:18} Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth
another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her
that is put away from [her] husband committeth adultery.

Notice that the focus of Jesus is serving God and money. The text points out that the Pharisees were scandalously covetous. Jesus rebukes their efforts to justify themselves before men and speaks of the eternality of the Law of God. Then Jesus throws putting away and remarriage up again. Jesus states that whoever puts a wife away, and marries another commits adultery. And whoever marries her that is put way commits adultery. Why was this thrown in right here? Again, Jesus is addressing their greed and covetousness with regards to them “putting away” their wives without the “get” and thereby claiming their right to keep the dowry, remarry, and leave their wives bound.

Jesus is rebuking the greed and abuse found among the Pharisees and defending women from their abuse and bondage by declaring that men who do this are adulterers if they remarry… and they “causeth her to commit adultery” if she remarries (clearly a sin on their hands).

Genesis
Chapter 2
24: Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

I was told to ask you to give us all another 1 of your expert analogy of where this fits in to all that above that you have so gratefully graced our presence with. You can choose whomever you want as to whom you want to believe, told me to ask you this. Jesus or the devil.

Thank you.

[Aquila]

Genesis
Chapter 2
24: Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

I was told to ask you to give us all another 1 of your expert analogy of where this fits in to all that above that you have so gratefully graced our presence with.

You’ll note something. There isn’t a prescribed “wedding ceremony” in the Bible. These are primarily cultural mores to be observed. The idea behind these customs is to establish both social and legal obligation between spouses. That’s a marriage regardless of ceremony, judge, preacher, or captain on board a ship. The “one flesh” relationship is one where in the two are viewed as one in God’s eyes and are physically one in physical union. This expresses the state of this relationship until death or divorcement.

You can choose whomever you want as to whom you want to believe, told me to ask you this. Jesus or the devil.

Thank you.

I don’t think God or the devil told you these things. I believe that this is an honest question from a very solid individual with a strong opinion on the matter. I wish you wouldn’t deflect responsibility for your own thoughts and conclusions to God or Satan. You are a thinking being. Own your thoughts. This is one of the most striking elements of your posts. The vast majority of people who write like you do with “God told me this” or “God told me that” are trying to elevate their opinions above reproach because they either can’t defend their positions… or they feel insecure in their positions. Sadly, many do this because they were spiritually abused. To elevate their thoughts above reproach (claim they are God’s) allows them to insulate themselves from criticism (which often hurts). They do this because they come from a spiritual environment wherein they were heavily criticized, attacked, and their own thoughts, opinions, and even identity was denied them. So in elevating their thoughts and claiming they are God’s… the person can psychologically position themselves wherein they have the strength to speak their voice… but the idealistic protection of claiming it’s not their own thoughts, they are someone else’s (God’s).

You are a child of God with a bright mind. Your thoughts are your thoughts, part of your very identity, and you have a right to them. You have a right to own your thoughts…or identity. You have the right to place it in Christ alone and stand before mankind as an individual. You have the right to be right. You have the right to be wrong. You have the right to change your opinion should some information from any source convince you that your original position was flawed in some way. You have a right to be on the journey of life learning daily. The “God told me so” thing… it weakens your position. Why? Because way too many people have pulled that to spiritually abuse. That’s most likely where you learned it. So the moment we hear this… eh… we turn you off. Now… if God speaks to you… just word it like this, “I strongly feel in my spirit that…” Guess what… you didn’t blame God… but you didn’t deny that God may have spoken to you. The Holy Spirit will then work on the hearts of your readers should something be from God. There will be a spiritual “confirmation” between your understanding and their own. You’ll be amazed at how many people will begin to see truth in what you say. He who wins souls… must be wise. Also… worst case scenario… let’s say a “deceiving spirit” spoke to you pretending to be God. These spirits have fooled the greatest of men. Don’t become so high minded as to think they cannot deceive you. Let any man who thinks he stands, take heed, lest he fall! If a deceiving spirit speaks to you as though he is God… and you give him credit as being God… you’ve not only possibly deceived someone unintentionally… but you’ve attributed a lie to God (blasphemy). Speak from the heart, and allow God to draw others. Speak from the heart and allow yourself the right to be right or mistaken. Own your thoughts and identity. Don’t hide behind the “God told me” stuff. It will actually turn more from God than lead them to God. Think of it like this… on occasion Jesus told people not to tell things he said or did. He didn’t just broadcast, “I am God.” No. He spoke as a man who loved His Father. He was humble. He left room for mystery. And this… drew people faster than wild proclamations ever could because he engaged their minds and stimulated their thoughts and prejudices.

Hopefully IF God were speaking to someone on your behalf... you'd have the spiritual discernment to see it or hear it. It could change your life and ministry. Not to mention... claiming something is from God when it isn't will take a heavy emotional and spiritual toll... because at the core of your being, you know the truth. Even if you've convinced your own mind that it is God. It will drain you until you have nothing left and you find that you're entire religion is a house of mirrors and illusions. Not a pretty place to end up. Don't let that happen to you. If you have ears to hear... I pray that you listen. If you do... you will find healing for your soul.

God bless.