Tell Me It's a Hoax! In Our Food???

[AreYouReady?]

http://www.naturalnews.com/035276_Pepsi_fetal_cells_business_operations.html


(NaturalNews) The Obama Administration has given its blessing to PepsiCo to continue utilizing the services of a company that produces flavor chemicals for the beverage giant using aborted human fetal tissue. LifeSiteNews.com reports that the Obama Security and Exchange Commission (SEC) has decided that PepsiCo's arrangement with San Diego, Cal.-based Senomyx, which produces flavor enhancing chemicals for Pepsi using human embryonic kidney tissue, simply constitutes "ordinary business operations."

The issue began in 2011 when the non-profit group Children of God for Life (CGL) first broke the news about Pepsi's alliance with Senomyx, which led to massive outcry and a worldwide boycott of Pepsi products. At that time, it was revealed that Pepsi had many other options at its disposal to produce flavor chemicals, which is what its competitors do, but had instead chosen to continue using aborted fetal cells -- or as Senomyx deceptively puts it, "isolated human taste receptors" (http://www.naturalnews.com).

A few months later, Pepsi' shareholders filed a resolution petitioning the company to "adopt a corporate policy that recognizes human rights and employs ethical standards which do not involve using the remains of aborted human beings in both private and collaborative research and development agreements." But the Obama Administration shut down this 36-page proposal, deciding instead that Pepsi's used of aborted babies to flavor its beverage products is just business as usual, and not a significant concern.

"We're not talking about what kind of pencils PepsiCo wants to use -- we are talking about exploiting the remains of an aborted child for profit," said Debi Vinnedge, Executive Director of CGL, concerning the SEC decision. "Using human embryonic kidney (HEK-293) to produce flavor enhancers for their beverages is a far cry from routine operations!"

To be clear, the aborted fetal tissue used to make Pepsi's flavor chemicals does not end up in the final product sold to customers, according to reports -- it is used, instead, to evaluate how actual human taste receptors respond to these chemical flavorings. But the fact that Pepsi uses them at all when viable, non-human alternatives are available illustrates the company's blatant disregard for ethical and moral concerns in the matter.


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035276_Pepsi_fetal_cells_business_operations.html# ixzz1piQSoBkW

[The Matt]

Mmm...babay.

[commonsense]

It sounds like a hoax___________I hope.

[JamDat]

Not so much... I might be sick

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/pepsi.asp

[The Matt]

Don't drink pepsi then. Simple. Won't stop me from enjoying a good pepsi every now and then. Mmm isolated human taste receptors.

[JamDat]

Good answer. Enjoy your baby juice.

[The Matt]

Now I want a pepsi.

[Titus2woman]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/pepsi.asp

[The Matt]

You know, speaking of soda, I've reeeeeally been taking an interest in looking up homemade soda. And T2W you're the perfect person to ask this. Any good natural sweeteners (diet) that you could suggest?

[mfblume]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/pepsi.asp

MIXTURE:

FALSE: Pepsi uses material from aborted fetuses in its products.
 
UNDETERMINED: Pepsi is partnered with a company that uses a cell line derived from an aborted fetus to develop flavor enhancers.


Origins: .. In January 2012, Oklahoma state senator Ralph Shortey introduced a bill to the state legislature which proposed that: "No person or entity shall manufacture or knowingly sell food or any other product intended for human consumption which contains aborted human fetuses in the ingredients or which used aborted human fetuses in the research or development of any of the ingredients." To many people, this nature of this bill sounded bizarre and left them questioning why food producers would possibly be using aborted human fetuses as ingredients.

In order to answer that question, we first need to provide a couple of definitions:

Human Embryonic Kidney 293 cells, commonly known as HEK 293, are a specific cell line which, as the name denotes, were derived from the kidney cells of an aborted human embryo in 1972. This cell line is widely used in efforts such as cell biology research and biotechnology/pharmaceutical development.

Senomyx is a U.S.-based biotechnology company focused on "discovering and developing innovative flavor ingredients for the food, beverage, and ingredient supply industries," primarily additives that amplify certain flavors and smells in foods.

A controversy over Senomyx originated with the pro-life organization Children of God for Life, which maintains that Senomyx uses HEK 293 in its flavor ingredient development efforts (citing a 2002 paper by company researchers published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences as evidence). In March 2011 that organization called for a boycott of major food companies (including Nestle, Campbell's Soup, Kraft Foods, and PepsiCo) partnered with Senomyx:

Senomyx website states that "The company's key flavor programs focus on the discovery and development of savory, sweet and salt flavor ingredients that are intended to allow for the reduction of MSG, sugar and salt in food and beverage products ... Using isolated human taste receptors, we created proprietary taste receptor-based assay systems that provide a biochemical or electronic readout when a flavor ingredient interacts with the receptor."

Senomyx notes their collaborators provide them research and development funding plus royalties on sales of products using their flavor ingredients.

"What they do not tell the public is that they are using HEK 293 — human embryonic kidney cells taken from an electively aborted baby to produce those receptors," stated Debi Vinnedge, Executive Director for Children of God for Life, a pro-life watch dog group that has been monitoring the use of aborted fetal material in medical products and cosmetics for years.

"They could have easily chosen COS (monkey) cells, Chinese Hamster Ovary cells, insect cells or other morally obtained human cells expressing the G protein for taste receptors," Vinnedge added.

It's important to note that, whether or not Senomyx uses HEK 293 cells in its development efforts, neither Pepsi nor any other U.S. company is actually manufacturing or selling any consumable products that contain material from human fetuses, as CBS News reported in an article about the Senomyx/Pepsi controversy in mid-2011:

[Senomyx] appears to be engineering HEK cells to function like the taste-receptor cells we have in our mouth. This way, Senomyx can test millions of substances to see if they work as different types of taste enhancers without subjecting human volunteers to endless taste tests.

To non-scientists this may sound a bit strange, but the reality is that HEK 293 cells are widely used in pharmaceutical research, helping scientists create vaccines as well as drugs like those for rheumatoid arthritis. The difference here is that Senomyx's work for Pepsi is one of the first times the cells have (potentially) been used to create a food or beverage. (And it's important to note that no part of a human kidney cell are ever a part of Senomyx's taste enhancers or any finished food products.)

For Debi Vinnedge, who runs the anti-abortion group Children of God for Life, that doesn't matter. "It's the eeew factor. It strikes a really strong reaction in people," she said in an interview.

Even though HEK 293 cells trace their origin to a single fetal kidney back in the 1970s — everything since has come from cultured cell lines — Vinnedge considers their use unethical because it indirectly creates a market for aborted fetuses and encourages scientists to hunt for new embryonic cell lines. She argues that Senomyx could use other, non-fetus-based cell lines, such as those from animals.

Science and medicine writer Matthew Herper offered a similar explanation in Forbes:
The fetus-derived cell line we're talking about was created around the time I was born. This is 35-year-old technology. And it is widely used in cell biology. And there is no way you'll consume them or that the cells would cause any health problems.

The cells, called HEK 293 cells (that stands for human embryonic kidney) were taken from an aborted fetus in the 1970s in the Netherlands. Bits of chopped up DNA from the adenovirus, a virus that causes a pretty severe cold. The kidney cells were forced to take up bits of DNA using a technique invented in 1973 that used a calcium solution. The resulting cells don't act much like human cells at all, but they are very easy to work with and have become workhorses of cellular biology. That's why they're used in the development of drugs and vaccines. No new fetal tissue has been used to keep the cell culture going; the use of this cell line isn't leading to new abortions.

A tiny company called Senomyx has been working to use this new technology to create food additives. Senomyx has isolated receptors found on cells that detect taste, and added them to the HEK cells. This allows them to test thousands of potential taste additives to see whether they might taste sweet or savory with a speed that would be impossible with human taste testers. Synomyx has announced collaborations with Pepsi, Nestle, and Coca-Cola.

Although Senomyx has been circumspect about publicly addressing the issue of its alleged use of HEK 293, reporters investigating the subject have noted references to that cell line in the company's patents. For example, Laine Doss wrote in the Miami New Times that:

Asked about the [Children of God for Life's] action alert, Gwen Rosenberg, vice president of investor relations and corporate communications for Senomyx, said, "We don't discuss details of our research, but you won't find anything on our website about HEK293." I asked Rosenberg if Senomyx had a position on stem cell research. "We've never been asked that," she replied, "We don't have a position on anything. We're dedicated to finding new flavors to reduce sugars and reduce salt. Our focus is to help consumers with diabetes or high blood pressure have a better quality of life."

Though Rosenberg states there is nothing on the company website linking Senomyx with HEK293, a little Googling turned up a patent issued in 2008 for "Recombinant Methods for Expressing a Functional Sweet Taste Receptor," in which a line item mentions HEK293.
And Melanie Warner wrote for CBS News that:

Is this claim true? Neither Pepsi nor Senomyx returned calls, so we don't know the companies' side of the story. But a perusal of Senomyx's patents suggests that it may well be. All but 7 of the company's 77 patents refer to the use of HEK 293 (human embryonic kidney) cells, which researchers have used for decades as biological workhorses.

In 2010 Senomyx entered into a four-year collaborative agreement to develop sweet enhancers and natural high-potency sweeteners for PepsiCo beverages, but as far as we have been able to ascertain, no Pepsi products vended to the general public have yet included any Senomyx-derived ingredients.

Pepsi's official response to the Senomyx issue so far has been to point inquirers to its Responsible Research Statement, which states that "PepsiCo's research processes and those of our partners are confidential for competitive reasons. However, PepsiCo does not conduct or fund research that utilizes any human tissue or cell lines derived from human embryos." We contacted the Media Relations department at PepsiCo and posed some specific questions to them about their relationship with Senomyx but received only non-specific answers in response:

PepsiCo has a relationship with Senomyx to help us reduce sugar in future products. Senomyx does not provide ingredients to PepsiCo, nor does it manufacture PepsiCo products. Senomyx is required to abide by our responsible research statement for any work they conduct for PepsiCo. As with each of our research partners, Senomyx is also required to meet all relevant industry and government regulatory standards in the work it performs for PepsiCo.

We can't speak on behalf of another company or address speculation about work involving other companies.

Senomyx has not yet responded to our request for information.

Last updated: .. 18 March 2012

Urban Legends Reference Pages © 1995-2012 by Barbara and David P. Mikkelson.

[RandyWayne]

We can trace many of these rumors to early episodes of Point of View with Marlon Madox from the 80's.

[KeptByTheWord]

It's scary to think what food in a grocery store is actually edible, and safe for human consumption! They mentioned Kraft products too... I love my Kraft stuff -- Pepsi I can do without! But think of all the products Kraft manufactures!! UGH! This stuff is horrible!

[AreYouReady?]

MIXTURE:

FALSE: Pepsi uses material from aborted fetuses in its products.
..
UNDETERMINED: Pepsi is partnered with a company that uses a cell line derived from an aborted fetus to develop flavor enhancers.


Origins: .. In January 2012, Oklahoma state senator Ralph Shortey introduced a bill to the state legislature which proposed that: "No person or entity shall manufacture or knowingly sell food or any other product intended for human consumption which contains aborted human fetuses in the ingredients or which used aborted human fetuses in the research or development of any of the ingredients." To many people, this nature of this bill sounded bizarre and left them questioning why food producers would possibly be using aborted human fetuses as ingredients.

In order to answer that question, we first need to provide a couple of definitions:

Human Embryonic Kidney 293 cells, commonly known as HEK 293, are a specific cell line which, as the name denotes, were derived from the kidney cells of an aborted human embryo in 1972. This cell line is widely used in efforts such as cell biology research and biotechnology/pharmaceutical development.

Senomyx is a U.S.-based biotechnology company focused on "discovering and developing innovative flavor ingredients for the food, beverage, and ingredient supply industries," primarily additives that amplify certain flavors and smells in foods.

A controversy over Senomyx originated with the pro-life organization Children of God for Life, which maintains that Senomyx uses HEK 293 in its flavor ingredient development efforts (citing a 2002 paper by company researchers published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences as evidence). In March 2011 that organization called for a boycott of major food companies (including Nestle, Campbell's Soup, Kraft Foods, and PepsiCo) partnered with Senomyx:

Senomyx website states that "The company's key flavor programs focus on the discovery and development of savory, sweet and salt flavor ingredients that are intended to allow for the reduction of MSG, sugar and salt in food and beverage products ... Using isolated human taste receptors, we created proprietary taste receptor-based assay systems that provide a biochemical or electronic readout when a flavor ingredient interacts with the receptor."

Senomyx notes their collaborators provide them research and development funding plus royalties on sales of products using their flavor ingredients.

"What they do not tell the public is that they are using HEK 293 — human embryonic kidney cells taken from an electively aborted baby to produce those receptors," stated Debi Vinnedge, Executive Director for Children of God for Life, a pro-life watch dog group that has been monitoring the use of aborted fetal material in medical products and cosmetics for years.

"They could have easily chosen COS (monkey) cells, Chinese Hamster Ovary cells, insect cells or other morally obtained human cells expressing the G protein for taste receptors," Vinnedge added.

It's important to note that, whether or not Senomyx uses HEK 293 cells in its development efforts, neither Pepsi nor any other U.S. company is actually manufacturing or selling any consumable products that contain material from human fetuses, as CBS News reported in an article about the Senomyx/Pepsi controversy in mid-2011:

[Senomyx] appears to be engineering HEK cells to function like the taste-receptor cells we have in our mouth. This way, Senomyx can test millions of substances to see if they work as different types of taste enhancers without subjecting human volunteers to endless taste tests.

To non-scientists this may sound a bit strange, but the reality is that HEK 293 cells are widely used in pharmaceutical research, helping scientists create vaccines as well as drugs like those for rheumatoid arthritis. The difference here is that Senomyx's work for Pepsi is one of the first times the cells have (potentially) been used to create a food or beverage. (And it's important to note that no part of a human kidney cell are ever a part of Senomyx's taste enhancers or any finished food products.)

For Debi Vinnedge, who runs the anti-abortion group Children of God for Life, that doesn't matter. "It's the eeew factor. It strikes a really strong reaction in people," she said in an interview.

Even though HEK 293 cells trace their origin to a single fetal kidney back in the 1970s — everything since has come from cultured cell lines — Vinnedge considers their use unethical because it indirectly creates a market for aborted fetuses and encourages scientists to hunt for new embryonic cell lines. She argues that Senomyx could use other, non-fetus-based cell lines, such as those from animals.

Science and medicine writer Matthew Herper offered a similar explanation in Forbes:
The fetus-derived cell line we're talking about was created around the time I was born. This is 35-year-old technology. And it is widely used in cell biology. And there is no way you'll consume them or that the cells would cause any health problems.

The cells, called HEK 293 cells (that stands for human embryonic kidney) were taken from an aborted fetus in the 1970s in the Netherlands. Bits of chopped up DNA from the adenovirus, a virus that causes a pretty severe cold. The kidney cells were forced to take up bits of DNA using a technique invented in 1973 that used a calcium solution. The resulting cells don't act much like human cells at all, but they are very easy to work with and have become workhorses of cellular biology. That's why they're used in the development of drugs and vaccines. No new fetal tissue has been used to keep the cell culture going; the use of this cell line isn't leading to new abortions.

A tiny company called Senomyx has been working to use this new technology to create food additives. Senomyx has isolated receptors found on cells that detect taste, and added them to the HEK cells. This allows them to test thousands of potential taste additives to see whether they might taste sweet or savory with a speed that would be impossible with human taste testers. Synomyx has announced collaborations with Pepsi, Nestle, and Coca-Cola.

Although Senomyx has been circumspect about publicly addressing the issue of its alleged use of HEK 293, reporters investigating the subject have noted references to that cell line in the company's patents. For example, Laine Doss wrote in the Miami New Times that:

Asked about the [Children of God for Life's] action alert, Gwen Rosenberg, vice president of investor relations and corporate communications for Senomyx, said, "We don't discuss details of our research, but you won't find anything on our website about HEK293." I asked Rosenberg if Senomyx had a position on stem cell research. "We've never been asked that," she replied, "We don't have a position on anything. We're dedicated to finding new flavors to reduce sugars and reduce salt. Our focus is to help consumers with diabetes or high blood pressure have a better quality of life."

Though Rosenberg states there is nothing on the company website linking Senomyx with HEK293, a little Googling turned up a patent issued in 2008 for "Recombinant Methods for Expressing a Functional Sweet Taste Receptor," in which a line item mentions HEK293.
And Melanie Warner wrote for CBS News that:

Is this claim true? Neither Pepsi nor Senomyx returned calls, so we don't know the companies' side of the story. But a perusal of Senomyx's patents suggests that it may well be. All but 7 of the company's 77 patents refer to the use of HEK 293 (human embryonic kidney) cells, which researchers have used for decades as biological workhorses.

In 2010 Senomyx entered into a four-year collaborative agreement to develop sweet enhancers and natural high-potency sweeteners for PepsiCo beverages, but as far as we have been able to ascertain, no Pepsi products vended to the general public have yet included any Senomyx-derived ingredients.

Pepsi's official response to the Senomyx issue so far has been to point inquirers to its Responsible Research Statement, which states that "PepsiCo's research processes and those of our partners are confidential for competitive reasons. However, PepsiCo does not conduct or fund research that utilizes any human tissue or cell lines derived from human embryos." We contacted the Media Relations department at PepsiCo and posed some specific questions to them about their relationship with Senomyx but received only non-specific answers in response:

PepsiCo has a relationship with Senomyx to help us reduce sugar in future products. Senomyx does not provide ingredients to PepsiCo, nor does it manufacture PepsiCo products. Senomyx is required to abide by our responsible research statement for any work they conduct for PepsiCo. As with each of our research partners, Senomyx is also required to meet all relevant industry and government regulatory standards in the work it performs for PepsiCo.

We can't speak on behalf of another company or address speculation about work involving other companies.

Senomyx has not yet responded to our request for information.

Last updated: .. 18 March 2012

Urban Legends Reference Pages © 1995-2012 by Barbara and David P. Mikkelson.

So...we do not know for sure that they do or do not use aborted fetal cells except in their statement of: "PepsiCo's research processes and those of our partners are confidential for competitive reasons. However, PepsiCo does not conduct or fund research that utilizes any human tissue or cell lines derived from human embryos."

This is not very reassuring.

And the fact that Senomyx has not responded to requests for information.

[bbyrd009]

You know, speaking of soda, I've reeeeeally been taking an interest in looking up homemade soda. And T2W you're the perfect person to ask this. Any good natural sweeteners (diet) that you could suggest?

Well, I'm not t2W, but if you're aiming for low GI, not chemical, Zylitol is acceptable, Stevia is great. What they're putting in diet soda now is poison, imo.

[Hoovie]

I dont know much about homemade soda, but we always made homemade wines... mostly grape, but also rose and dandelion.

[RandyWayne]

Making home made soda never struck me as being that cost effective -it is cheap enough out of a can.

But we HAVE made home made Gatorade! It comes in the form of a powder. All you do is add water to a jug, a cup or three of the powder, mix, chill, and enjoy!

http://www.tasco-safety.com/seasonal/gatorade01.jpg

[Cindy]

Good grief, I don't believe that is true. For one, where would they get the fetuses?

[houston]

Did anyone read??

Even though HEK 293 cells trace their origin to a single fetal kidney back in the 1970s — everything since has come from cultured cell lines

They are not harvesting cells form aborted babies. Ya'll be sensational.

[The Matt]

Making home made soda never struck me as being that cost effective -it is cheap enough out of a can.

But we HAVE made home made Gatorade! It comes in the form of a powder. All you do is add water to a jug, a cup or three of the powder, mix, chill, and enjoy!

http://www.tasco-safety.com/seasonal/gatorade01.jpg

I'm more worried about health than cost. I want something without high fructose corn syrup.

[RandyWayne]

I'm more worried about health than cost. I want something without high fructose corn syrup.

You bet! I mean you DO know what they say about High Fructose Corn syrup don't you?

[Titus2woman]

I love these.

And I use Xylitol, Stevia for low GI sweetners and our own honey and sucanat for full calorie sweetners. I am more about nutrient density than low cal for the most part.

[BrotherEastman]

And to think I really like Pepsi.......hooh boy!!!!

[bbyrd009]

I dont know much about homemade soda, but we always made homemade wines... mostly grape, but also rose and dandelion.

We have a dandelion beer made here in Carbondale, quite drinkable.
I've tried D wine once but wasn't impressed. Almost bitter?
How about Rose wine?

[AreYouReady?]

Well, I'm not t2W, but if you're aiming for low GI, not chemical, Zylitol is acceptable, Stevia is great. What they're putting in diet soda now is poison, imo.

It's not only your opinion, bbyrd, it is documented fact that aspartame induces brain tumors and increases chance of diseases.

[forgivenson]

I am just appaled at how 'ugly' people can be. Why would anyone post such things? I am glad we are forgiven.

[bbyrd009]

It's not only your opinion, bbyrd, it is documented fact that aspartame induces brain tumors and increases chance of diseases.

Lol, if Aspartame came from bees, the squirrel circus that was its "vetting" would have chased me off by itself, lol. A bald payoff.

[AreYouReady?]

I am just appaled at how 'ugly' people can be. Why would anyone post such things? I am glad we are forgiven.

Why would anyone post what things? Information perhaps?

The question should be why would anybody be dabbling in stem cells from aborted babies and possibly using them in our food supply?

And ... don't tell me it does not happen. I happen to know a biologist who works in labs doing this type of research. He told me it is a huge business.

[AreYouReady?]

Did anyone read??



They are not harvesting cells form aborted babies. Ya'll be sensational.

The last time I heard that we were not be electronically surveilled was 7-years-ago when my son did his English term paper on this subject. He was called crazy, conspiracy theorist etc. Now, 7-years later it all came out in the papers just like the information he found on the net to do his papers with. There were no traffic cameras around these parts 7 years ago, but you can find them now in certain cities.

They are doing stem cell research from aborted fetuses. But the very idea is so repugnant to people that they have to keep it hush hush.

It is slowly coming out in mainstream news though.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16159766/ns/health-cloning_and_stem_cells/t/doctors-turn-aborted-fetus-save-boys-life/

And

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/01/26/bill-would-ban-aborted-fetuses-in-food/

[CC1]

Well, I'm not t2W, but if you're aiming for low GI, not chemical, Zylitol is acceptable, Stevia is great. What they're putting in diet soda now is poison, imo.

I am trying to lose weight so have cut out 99% of my carbonated cola drinking. I have been drinking water and bottled water with those diet packets in them. Most are teas and lemonade sweetened with aspertame.

However my daughter told me about Stevia and I found Wal Mart's great value brand and the Target store have some of these sweetend with Stevia. The problem I have is that Stevia makes it too sweet and those mixes don't seem to have much flavor. Never thought I would find a sugar substitute that would make things too sweet!

[AreYouReady?]

Good grief, I don't believe that is true. For one, where would they get the fetuses?

From here?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/tissues-of-aborted-fetuses-used-in-medical-research-and-food-testing/

[bbyrd009]

I am just appaled at how 'ugly' people can be. Why would anyone post such things? I am glad we are forgiven.
I wouldn't count on being "forgiven" if you eat that yack :lol
Here, you want "appalled?" That nice brown tone on your pretzels?
Pig urine. Usually the cheaper brands; it's right there in the ingredients-
-where of course, they call it "urea." :lol

[bbyrd009]

I love these.

And I use Xylitol, Stevia for low GI sweetners and our own honey and sucanat for full calorie sweetners. I am more about nutrient density than low cal for the most part.Me, too; my first advice to "die"ters is usually, "toss your diet, and come take a little walk with me; up Mt. Sopris" :lol
I don't care if it takes one a year to summit, as long as they try; every day.

Anyway, never heard of "sucanat," hmm;
I came in here to hype this new soda maker thing?
They are about $100, I think, but they are awesome,
and will carbonate anything! We had a blast making
our own Sonic-style cherry-limeades this summer;
paid for itself. Carbonating milk is not recommended, tho...

[Praxeas]

You know, speaking of soda, I've reeeeeally been taking an interest in looking up homemade soda. And T2W you're the perfect person to ask this. Any good natural sweeteners (diet) that you could suggest?
Agave necter

[Praxeas]

No not IN OUR FOOD. They use stem cell materials to TEST food

[AreYouReady?]

Agave necter

Agave necter is good. So is brown rice syrup.

[AreYouReady?]

I am trying to lose weight so have cut out 99% of my carbonated cola drinking. I have been drinking water and bottled water with those diet packets in them. Most are teas and lemonade sweetened with aspertame.

However my daughter told me about Stevia and I found Wal Mart's great value brand and the Target store have some of these sweetend with Stevia. The problem I have is that Stevia makes it too sweet and those mixes don't seem to have much flavor. Never thought I would find a sugar substitute that would make things too sweet!

The best sweetener I've found is called NuSweet. It is Stevia and can be found at healthfood stores and at GNC Nutrition Centers.

[Praxeas]

Agave necter is good. So is brown rice syrup.
I've never heard or seen that. Target sells Agave nectar pretty cheap

[bbyrd009]

I wonder if a lot of those don't just end up being more expensive forms of sugar;
I thought agave was one, but didn't know it was lo-cal?
I am thoroughly convinced tho, that considering
reaching for lo-cal = you aren't active enough.

[RandyWayne]

I am trying to lose weight so have cut out 99% of my carbonated cola drinking. I have been drinking water and bottled water with those diet packets in them. Most are teas and lemonade sweetened with aspertame.

However my daughter told me about Stevia and I found Wal Mart's great value brand and the Target store have some of these sweetend with Stevia. The problem I have is that Stevia makes it too sweet and those mixes don't seem to have much flavor. Never thought I would find a sugar substitute that would make things too sweet!

I cut out all regular beers and moved exclusively to "light". The pounds have started melting away!

[houston]

I cut out all regular beers and moved exclusively to "light". The pounds have started melting away!

Whiskey!!!!!

[AreYouReady?]

I cut out all regular beers and moved exclusively to "light". The pounds have started melting away!

:toofunny

Magic light beer?

[RandyWayne]

:toofunny

Magic light beer?

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRexb1GXJ__zjka1QXymTMimgVcOTutl-l5aNBW-YTOJRZsKnfg&t=1

[AreYouReady?]

...please tell me you aren't a *Homer*....

[bbyrd009]

I cut out all regular beers and moved exclusively to "light". The pounds have started melting away!But ok, admit that you prolly physically exhaust yourself like every day, right?

[RandyWayne]

But ok, admit that you prolly physically exhaust yourself like every day, right?

Like I said, "light" beer and plenty of exercise, and the fat is literally melting away.

[bbyrd009]

:lol

[AreYouReady?]

Like I said, "light" beer and plenty of exercise, and the fat is literally melting away.

Yeah...them fingers walk through the keyboards fairly rapidly eh?