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Jacob's Ladder
04-16-2012, 04:30 PM
Hello,

It's been a while since I last posted on this forum. I'm sure many of you missed me, and perhaps went countless nights without meal, fasting that I soon would return. Your fasting and much supplications have been answered, I've returned for a little while. I've come to set this forum in order! Hereafter I must travel to Macedonia, Jerusalem, and to the donut shop for a chocolate old fashion donut (sue me).

I've heard many say, "I' can't wait to enter heaven and see all my family members." I've also heard others say, "when we're all raptured, I'll see my family, friends, Peter, etc." I've actually took time and thought about their comments and asked myself a few questions.

1) Out of millions of people that will be there, how will I locate my loved ones? HOW?
2) Will Jesus snap His fingers and reunite all families? (heaven's purpose isn't to reunite families though)
3) Will heaven have a yellow pages directory?
4) Will we really remember our loved ones, and how will we know that they made it without rememberance if they didn't make it?
5) Will we really find our family members out of millions upon millions of people, or is our family recognizable relationship officially over at death? (sad face icon here)

bbyrd009
04-16-2012, 05:07 PM
...I've heard many say, "I' can't wait to enter heaven and see all my family members." I've also heard others say, "when we're all raptured, I'll see my family, friends, Peter, etc." I've actually took time and thought about their comments asked myself a few questions.

1) Out of millions of people that will be there, how will I locate my loved ones? HOW?
2) Will Jesus snap His fingers and reunite all families? (heaven's purpose isn't to reunite families though)
3) Will heaven have a yellow pages directory?
4) Will we really remember our loved ones, and how will we know that they made it without rememberance if they didn't make it?
6) Will we really find our family members out of millions upon millions of people, or is our family recognizable relationship officially over at death? (sad face icon here)

Ha, is that Rapture heresy still going around?
1) It would be misrepresenting Scripture to imply that Heaven is a "there," a place. There is no place called Heaven. "Heaven" is best translated "Wherever God is." Scripture clearly indicates that earth, and not Heaven, is a believer's final resting place; reflected in "the meek shall inherit the earth," "on earth as it is in Heaven," etc.
2) No, Christ already gave a sermon on this subject, wherein He indicated that the earthly fam you came in to is just that, and your real family is the body of believers.
3) No, there are no businesses in Heaven; it is strictly white pages. No ads.
4) See 2
6) See 5

Timmy
04-16-2012, 05:37 PM
5 is right out!

RandyWayne
04-16-2012, 05:38 PM
5 is right out!

"That's three sir!"

And I thought number six was: "And heaven will be an eternal pentecostal song service!"

Dordrecht
04-16-2012, 05:51 PM
Heaven is a perfect place, there will be no sorrow.
Keep that in mind and everything will just be fine.

Don't worry about hair, long skirts and all that other stuff!
We will have new bodies, we are all going to be perfect and Christ like....that means 33 years old!

Timmy
04-16-2012, 06:03 PM
"Can the believing husband in Heaven be happy with his unbelieving wife in Hell? Can the believing father in Heaven be happy with his unbelieving children in Hell? Can the loving wife in Heaven be happy with her unbelieving husband in Hell? I tell you, yea! Such will be their sense of justice that it will increase rather than diminish their bliss."

Jonathan Edwards

bbyrd009
04-16-2012, 06:08 PM
There is no place called Heaven, and you aren't going there anyway-
don't let some misguided preacher tell you any different.

If you worry about long hair and skirts now, I'm guessing
it's because you are listening to the same guys
that told you you were going to spend eternity in Heaven.
Never mind what the Bible says, I guess?

bbyrd009
04-16-2012, 06:09 PM
"Can the believing husband in Heaven be happy with his unbelieving wife in Hell? Can the believing father in Heaven be happy with his unbelieving children in Hell? Can the loving wife in Heaven be happy with her unbelieving husband in Hell? I tell you, yea! Such will be their sense of justice that it will increase rather than diminish their bliss."

Jonathan Edwards

Amen! lol

bbyrd009
04-16-2012, 06:10 PM
Heaven is a perfect place, there will be no sorrow.
Keep that in mind and everything will just be fine.

Don't worry about hair, long skirts and all that other stuff!
We will have new bodies, we are all going to be perfect and Christ like....that means 33 years old!

Hey. Dordt; you see the Napoleon quote I dug up this past weekend?

Hoovie
04-16-2012, 06:22 PM
I want to know if everyone is naked in heaven...

bbyrd009
04-16-2012, 06:24 PM
I guess there'll be some naked in New Jerusalem, anyway, lol.

Timmy
04-16-2012, 06:49 PM
I want to know if everyone is naked in heaven...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ro3QDNMTFUk/TuYUihDjl5I/AAAAAAAACOg/3L98WimklME/s1600/church_lady.jpg

AreYouReady?
04-16-2012, 08:35 PM
If you worry about long hair and skirts now, I'm guessing
it's because you are listening to the same guys
that told you you were going to spend eternity in Heaven.
Never mind what the Bible says, I guess?



I want to know if everyone is naked in heaven...

And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

(Revelation of John 6:11)


Heh. Men will be wearing garments pertaining to women. Wait! No! it will be women wearing garments pertaining to men. :huh

Ah! No...we will be wearing unisex garments because we will be as the angels.

Dordrecht
04-16-2012, 10:08 PM
"Can the believing husband in Heaven be happy with his unbelieving wife in Hell? Can the believing father in Heaven be happy with his unbelieving children in Hell? Can the loving wife in Heaven be happy with her unbelieving husband in Hell? I tell you, yea! Such will be their sense of justice that it will increase rather than diminish their bliss."

Jonathan Edwards

They will not know about it because heaven is without sorrow.
In hell they will know about it and they will be gnashing their teeth at the people who got them there.


And.....there's no sex in heaven....so....there's no reason to be naked.
We have new bodies without sex organs. Lol. Great place!!

Hoovie
04-16-2012, 10:36 PM
If it's Eden restored, why would we not be naked? Seriously, I think the robes are just until we get checked in.

AreYouReady?
04-16-2012, 11:45 PM
Personally, I would be in awe wearing a flowing, brilliant white robe. It probably will shimmer from the glow of Jesus when next to Him.

Nekkid bodies would never compare to a brilliant white robe.

Just my thoughts here...

AreYouReady?
04-16-2012, 11:48 PM
Just thought about that old song

In my robe of white
I will fly away
To a land so fair,
meet my Jesus there.
It will be so grand,
when i get to that land,
in my robe of white
I will fly away.

Somebody fire up the music!

RandyWayne
04-17-2012, 07:16 AM
Will there be any beer?

Or do we need to drink it here?

Dordrecht
04-17-2012, 07:57 AM
You don't need any food or drink there.

bbyrd009
04-17-2012, 08:22 AM
Aren't we clothed with our righteous acts...maybe the wrong term, but something like that? And we are clear that that "tarrying for a while" is prolly all the time anyone spends in...Heaven, right? I think one only gets as far as Paradise, anyway...

Timmy
04-17-2012, 08:42 AM
They will not know about it because heaven is without sorrow.
In hell they will know about it and they will be gnashing their teeth at the people who got them there.
People got them there? :blink

And.....there's no sex in heaven....so....there's no reason to be naked.
We have new bodies without sex organs. Lol. Great place!!
:blink

crakjak
04-17-2012, 08:44 AM
"Can the believing husband in Heaven be happy with his unbelieving wife in Hell? Can the believing father in Heaven be happy with his unbelieving children in Hell? Can the loving wife in Heaven be happy with her unbelieving husband in Hell? I tell you, yea! Such will be their sense of justice that it will increase rather than diminish their bliss."

Jonathan Edwards

While there is much to admire JE for, his view of the saved being blessed by the knowledge of the "lost" in a custom torture chamber is not one of them!!!

Blasphemeous, it is in my studied opinion.

crakjak
04-17-2012, 08:51 AM
There is so much confusion, about the life to come, because of the traditional distortion of God and His purpose. This life and its good and evil serves God's purpose of the completion of his creation. Do you really believe that the Creator in all His wisdom, knowledge, creative ability, power and love, could not do better than the twisted and distorted ideas created by the ego, power hungry, minds of men???

Primarily, in the context of the Roman State Church, which traditional religionists have been unable move beyond???

RandyWayne
04-17-2012, 09:06 AM
You don't need any food or drink there.

So in other words, when I'm gone from here all my friends will be drinking all the beer.


Great.

bbyrd009
04-17-2012, 09:08 AM
There is so much confusion, about the life to come, because of the traditional distortion of God and His purpose. This life and its good and evil serves God's purpose of the completion of his creation. Do you really believe that the Creator in all His wisdom, knowledge, creative ability, power and love, could not do better than the twisted and distorted ideas created by the ego, power hungry, minds of men???

Primarily, in the context of the Roman State Church, which traditional religionists have been unable move beyond???

Amen; I hang out here just waiting for a real conversation to start, lol. Heaven and hell are right next to each other, in nowhere, ok? You can have conversations with each other, one in..."Heaven," we'll go with, for now, the other in hell; you will both be in the same space. Your black-and-white heaven-and-hell is not supported in Scripture.

AreYouReady?
04-17-2012, 11:19 AM
You don't need any food or drink there.


What about the marriage supper of the lamb?




The older I get, the more I just want to believe God and leave the rest of what will become of me to Him.

Timmy
04-17-2012, 12:02 PM
It'll be nice to be rid of that nasty "free will", finally! :lol

Titus2woman
04-17-2012, 12:08 PM
It'll be nice to be rid of that nasty "free will", finally! :lol


If everything is completely honest and true... How many married couples do you think will really even want to see each other again?

Jacob's Ladder
04-17-2012, 12:16 PM
What's become of this place? It's a cesspool now! Nobody here has any interesting opinions to contribute? It seems a fortune cookie has greater substance to offer and ponder on than this place.

Timmy
04-17-2012, 12:22 PM
If everything is completely honest and true... How many married couples do you think will really even want to see each other again?

:heeheehee

Reminds me of a joke (you've probably heard before).

A man and his wife were in a terrible car accident. The woman, sadly, is killed instantly. She finds herself walking up to the pearly gates, where she finds Peter, standing watch. He tells her there is one tiny requirement before she can enter heaven. She just has to spell a word. She asks Peter, "What word?" "Any word of your choosing," he replied. "Oh, OK. 'Cat'. C, A, T." Peter says "In you go! But if you don't mind, would you watch the gate for just a little while? I have to, you know, take a break. You know how it works. Will you, please?" She agrees.

After a minute, her husband succumbs to his injuries, and shows up at the gate! She tells him the rules. "You have to spell a word, before you can get in to heaven." He asks his wife, "What word?" She says, "Chrysanthemum".

bbyrd009
04-17-2012, 12:24 PM
What's become of this place? It's a cesspool now! Nobody here has any interesting opinions to contribute? It seems a fortune cookie has greater substance to offer and ponder on than this place.

Well, I'm not sure it's that bad...Timmy just brought up a good point? He seems to think that free will will be suspended or something, in eternity? Prolly he would say "when you are in Heaven."

What do you think?

Or, you are allowed to, um, broach subjects (other than cesspools)
all by yourself? Don't be scared! I mean a negative comment on a negative? Lol

"What is the prob around here! Everyone is just like me! Lol

Titus2woman
04-17-2012, 12:24 PM
What's become of this place? It's a cesspool now! Nobody here has any interesting opinions to contribute? It seems a fortune cookie has greater substance to offer and ponder on than this place.

From the guy who wanted to know if there would be white pages in heaven... hilarious! You want us to add substance to the ultimate trivial drivel. :laffatu

bbyrd009
04-17-2012, 12:26 PM
What about the marriage supper of the lamb?




The older I get, the more I just want to believe God and leave the rest of what will become of me to Him.

amen.

Timmy
04-17-2012, 12:29 PM
Well, I'm not sure it's that bad...Timmy just brought up a good point?
As always. :D
He seems to think that free will will be suspended or something, in eternity? Prolly he would say "when you are in Heaven."

What do you think?

Or, you are allowed to, um, broach subjects (other than cesspools)
all by yourself? Don't be scared! I mean a negative comment on a negative? Lol

"What is the prob around here! Everyone is just like me! Lol

bbyrd009
04-17-2012, 12:30 PM
:heeheehee

Reminds me of a joke (you've probably heard before).

A man and his wife were in a terrible car accident. The woman, sadly, is killed instantly. She finds herself walking up to the pearly gates, where she finds Peter, standing watch. He tells her there is one tiny requirement before she can enter heaven. She just has to spell a word. She asks Peter, "What word?" "Any word of your choosing," he replied. "Oh, OK. 'Cat'. C, A, T." Peter says "In you go! But if you don't mind, would you watch the gate for just a little while? I have to, you know, take a break. You know how it works. Will you, please?" She agrees.

After a minute, her husband succumbs to his injuries, and shows up at the gate! She tells him the rules. "You have to spell a word, before you can get in to heaven." He asks his wife, "What word?" She says, "Chrysanthemum".

An oldie but a goodie.

Are we really ready to talk about free will yet; how you will always have it, and what that might say about your "going to Heaven," etc? What if you, um, ok, "went to Heaven," and sinned, ifthat model is correct? Free will on hold? Turned into an angel (they have no free will)?

What say you, fellow cess-poolers?

Timmy
04-17-2012, 12:37 PM
An oldie but a goodie.

Are we really ready to talk about free will yet; how you will always have it, and what that might say about your "going to Heaven," etc? What if you, um, ok, "went to Heaven," and sinned, ifthat model is correct? Free will on hold? Turned into an angel (they have no free will)?

What say you, fellow cess-poolers?

Did angels have free will once and only once, when each made a choice to follow Lucifer or not?

Jacob's Ladder
04-17-2012, 12:47 PM
From the guy who wanted to know if there would be white pages in heaven... hilarious! You want us to add substance to the ultimate trivial drivel. :laffatu

There's a difference between my humor and all the feculence on this forum!

bbyrd009
04-17-2012, 12:53 PM
Did angels have free will once and only once, when each made a choice to follow Lucifer or not?

No, this is a common mis-conception, that the ability to choose = "free will."
Grace does not apply to angels; there is a sense in which they are...slaves, might be a good way to put it, on the run anyway.

bbyrd009
04-17-2012, 12:54 PM
There's a difference between my humor and all the feculence on this forum!

Not from where I'm sitting. Negative is negative.

AreYouReady?
04-17-2012, 12:55 PM
From the guy who wanted to know if there would be white pages in heaven... hilarious! You want us to add substance to the ultimate trivial drivel. :laffatu

:ursofunny

AreYouReady?
04-17-2012, 01:00 PM
Not from where I'm sitting. Negative is negative.

ditto

Michael Phelps
04-17-2012, 02:00 PM
If everything is completely honest and true... How many married couples do you think will really even want to see each other again?

Yes, the ultimate dilemma.

Your wife tries on her new robe, and asks you "Honey, does this make my butt look big?"

You start to reply in your usual manner, "Oh no, honey, not at all"....and then you look over, and see God eyeing you intently........and you know if you tell her the truth, you are in deep trouble. But, if you lie - you get kicked out of heaven!

What's a man to do? Which is worse?

bbyrd009
04-17-2012, 02:14 PM
Yes, the ultimate dilemma.

Your wife tries on her new robe, and asks you "Honey, does this make my butt look big?"

You start to reply in your usual manner, "Oh no, honey, not at all"....and then you look over, and see God eyeing you intently........and you know if you tell her the truth, you are in deep trouble. But, if you lie - you get kicked out of heaven!

What's a man to do? Which is worse?

Hmm; not sure if that one could correctly even be classified a "lie"...

Michael Phelps
04-17-2012, 02:16 PM
Hmm; not sure if that one could correctly even be classified a "lie"...

Maybe covered under the "big is relative" clause? For instance, compared to a Volkswagen, not big at all?

AreYouReady?
04-17-2012, 02:19 PM
Yes, the ultimate dilemma.

Your wife tries on her new robe, and asks you "Honey, does this make my butt look big?"

You start to reply in your usual manner, "Oh no, honey, not at all"....and then you look over, and see God eyeing you intently........and you know if you tell her the truth, you are in deep trouble. But, if you lie - you get kicked out of heaven!

What's a man to do? Which is worse?

:ursofunny

You tell her the truth and dare her to say anything about it. :heeheehee

Timmy
04-17-2012, 02:37 PM
Maybe covered under the "big is relative" clause? For instance, compared to a Volkswagen, not big at all?

:spit

Titus2woman
04-17-2012, 03:24 PM
There's a difference between my humor and all the feculence on this forum!

To who? :)

Titus2woman
04-17-2012, 03:26 PM
Yes, the ultimate dilemma.

Your wife tries on her new robe, and asks you "Honey, does this make my butt look big?"

You start to reply in your usual manner, "Oh no, honey, not at all"....and then you look over, and see God eyeing you intently........and you know if you tell her the truth, you are in deep trouble. But, if you lie - you get kicked out of heaven!

What's a man to do? Which is worse?

Tough choice ;)

Titus2woman
04-17-2012, 03:28 PM
:heeheehee

Reminds me of a joke (you've probably heard before).

A man and his wife were in a terrible car accident. The woman, sadly, is killed instantly. She finds herself walking up to the pearly gates, where she finds Peter, standing watch. He tells her there is one tiny requirement before she can enter heaven. She just has to spell a word. She asks Peter, "What word?" "Any word of your choosing," he replied. "Oh, OK. 'Cat'. C, A, T." Peter says "In you go! But if you don't mind, would you watch the gate for just a little while? I have to, you know, take a break. You know how it works. Will you, please?" She agrees.

After a minute, her husband succumbs to his injuries, and shows up at the gate! She tells him the rules. "You have to spell a word, before you can get in to heaven." He asks his wife, "What word?" She says, "Chrysanthemum".

No I hadn't and yes it's funny.:heeheehee

Jay
04-18-2012, 10:48 AM
Just thought about that old song

In my robe of white
I will fly away
To a land so fair,
meet my Jesus there.
It will be so grand,
when i get to that land,
in my robe of white
I will fly away.

Somebody fire up the music!


Consider that music fired up!! Dad sings this song occasionally at church, especially if my grandparents have come to visit. I have heard that he will likely have to make a recording of it to sing at her funeral (she is still going strong having made it to 80+). It is also one of my favorites.


No I hadn't and yes it's funny.:heeheehee

I agree, I thought that was very funny. JL has given me a word to research (I am the one who sends people to the dictionary).


I do not know just how we are going to know where our relatives are, but I would assume that God being loving and merciful will notify those that we have loved of our soon arrival, and then we shall be greeted by them. Further, I imagine that we might be allowed to look up their names in the Book of Life (Heaven's Directory). I have some relatives that I intend to look up as well as a few friends.

I am also sure that God has a special committee that welcomes those who did not know many people who crossed over before them (children and young people or those who parted while new in the faith). Further, being with Jesus will be enough to satisfy even the deepest longings of the soul.

RandyWayne
04-18-2012, 10:50 AM
Will there be any cat fights between wife #1 (who died) and wife #2 that dad married later?

Maybe in a child's wading pool filled with mud and John Candy caught in the middle?

Jay
04-18-2012, 11:04 AM
Will there be any cat fights between wife #1 (who died) and wife #2 that dad married later?

Maybe in a child's wading pool filled with mud and John Candy caught in the middle?

RW, this is the wrong thread. Those should be asked in the Question Everything thread.:spit

Michael Phelps
04-18-2012, 11:47 AM
RW, this is the wrong thread. Those should be asked in the Question Everything thread.:spit

Jay has no idea what you're talking about, RW! :happydance

RandyWayne
04-18-2012, 11:56 AM
Jay has no idea what you're talking about, RW! :happydance

Ya, I figured. I had the STRIPES theme running through my head for an hour after posting that. LOL