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Cindy
04-27-2012, 08:57 PM
You cant be right with the Master and wrong with the pastor" - Wayne Huntley
This was posted by a Facebook friend. I misread it the first time, I think. It's kind of confusing to me. Any thoughts or explanations would be appreciated.
In other words, the pastor is always right, he/she is to be obeyed completely and unquestionably. If you doubt your pastor's word you are doubting God because your pastor is God's infallible representative.
Arphaxad
04-27-2012, 09:07 PM
IMO it makes the pastor the vicar of Christ. Disobeying the mouthpiece of God = disobeying God, no matter what.
:doggyrun
Cindy
04-27-2012, 09:08 PM
In other words, the pastor is always right, he/she is to be obeyed completely and unquestionably. If you doubt your pastor's word you are doubting God because your pastor is God's infallible representative.
That's what I thought it meant, too. Then I thought, you can if the Pastor isn't right with God. So you can understand my confusion.
Do you know who Wayne Huntley is, Sam?
That's what I thought it meant, too. Then I thought, you can if the Pastor isn't right with God. So you can understand my confusion.
Do you know who Wayne Huntley is, Sam?
No, I do not know who Wayne Huntley is.
Cindy
04-27-2012, 09:09 PM
IMO it makes the pastor the vicar of Christ. Disobeying the mouthpiece of God = disobeying God, no matter what.
:doggyrun
What if the Pastor is wrong, though?
Cindy
04-27-2012, 09:10 PM
No, I do not know who Wayne Huntley is.
I googled him, he's spoken at BOTT so I guess he's a preacher.
What if the Pastor is wrong, though?
A pastor can be wrong. The way I take the quote it is assuming that the pastor cannot be wrong. If there is a disagreement between a pastor and a church member, the member is always wrong and the pastor is always right.
This is a method to intimidate and control. It's like you must be in "the Church" and under the authority of the Church's designated leader. Any disagreement or disobedience is SIN and your eternal soul is in jeopardy.
Cindy
04-27-2012, 09:16 PM
A pastor can be wrong. The way I take the quote it is assuming that the pastor cannot be wrong. If there is a disagreement between a pastor and a church member, the member is always wrong and the pastor is always right.
This is a method to intimidate and control. It's like you must be in "the Church" and under the authority of the Church's designated leader. Any disagreement or disobedience is SIN and your eternal soul is in jeopardy.
Wow, that's not right.
Arphaxad
04-27-2012, 09:18 PM
What if the Pastor is wrong, though?
are you kidding? The pastor is never wrong, only misinformed by God. :foottap
:doggyrun
Jason B
04-27-2012, 09:20 PM
You cant be right with the Master and wrong with the pastor" - Wayne Huntley
This was posted by a Facebook friend. I misread it the first time, I think. It's kind of confusing to me. Any thoughts or explanations would be appreciated.
Cultic.
Falla39
04-27-2012, 09:20 PM
Once had an evangelist tell me, "Sister, you are supposed to obey this pastor, right or wrong"! "I said , "Brother, you are wrong"! So my response would be that it would depend on whether the pastor is RIGHT with the Master.
Falla39
Once had an evangelist tell me, "Sister, you are supposed to obey this pastor, right or wrong"! "I said , "Brother, you are wrong"! So my response would be that it would depend on whether the pastor is RIGHT with the Master.
Falla39
:thumbsup
Hoovie
04-27-2012, 09:27 PM
You cant be right with the Master and wrong with the pastor" - Wayne Huntley
This was posted by a Facebook friend. I misread it the first time, I think. It's kind of confusing to me. Any thoughts or explanations would be appreciated.
Obviously pastors can be wrong. I can think of many examples - some that made the news even.
:highfive
tstew
04-27-2012, 09:38 PM
You cant be right with the Master and wrong with the pastor" - Wayne Huntley
This was posted by a Facebook friend. I misread it the first time, I think. It's kind of confusing to me. Any thoughts or explanations would be appreciated.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this. He is not saying that the pastor cannot be wrong in this statement. He could have been talking in the context of "you cannot love God who you cannot see if you cannot love your brother who you can see".
As preachers, sometimes we get flowery with the language and "Master" and "pastor" happen to rhyme. Being right with or being wrong with someone has to do more with relationship and love than whether the person is right IMO.
I would have to hear the context of the statement, but I just wanted to point out that there are some plausible explanations.
For those who don't knowhim , Bro. Huntley is a well-known speaker and pastor, and he has never struck me as one of the "the pastors are God" kind of people.
Hoovie
04-27-2012, 09:45 PM
Yeah, what Stew said. Makes sense to me.
Cindy
04-27-2012, 09:57 PM
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this. He is not saying that the pastor cannot be wrong in this statement. He could have been talking in the context of "you cannot love God who you cannot see if you cannot love your brother who you can see".
As preachers, sometimes we get flowery with the language and "Master" and "pastor" happen to rhyme. Being right with or being wrong with someone has to do more with relationship and love than whether the person is right IMO.
I would have to hear the context of the statement, but I just wanted to point out that there are some plausible explanations.
For those who don't knowhim , Bro. Huntley is a well-known speaker and pastor, and he has never struck me as one of the "the pastors are God" kind of people.
Well, I guess you may be right. I finally decided it probably meant, if you are right with God, you are right with the Pastor. So, maybe it's about me and not the Pastor. Maybe there should be a comma in the statement.
Yeah, what Stew said. Makes sense to me.
yes, Stew gave a good answer, mine was "tainted" by some past experience.
I think we can honestly say that part of serving God would include honoring and "obeying" your pastor.
rgcraig
04-27-2012, 10:21 PM
You cant be right with the Master and wrong with the pastor" - Wayne Huntley
This was posted by a Facebook friend. I misread it the first time, I think. It's kind of confusing to me. Any thoughts or explanations would be appreciated.
I'd like to believe it's like Stew explained.
However, when I first read it I thought - if you are wrong with the pastor, you cant be right with the Master.
tstew
04-27-2012, 10:27 PM
I'd like to believe it's like Stew explained.
However, when I first read it I thought - if you are wrong with the pastor, you cant be right with the Master.
I'm not putting my hand on the Bible and swearing as to what he meant by any means. I'm just pointing out another and probably equally plausible meaning. I just know that we sometimes can't pass up on a catchy, rhyming way to say something. I would have to hear the context though.
houston
04-27-2012, 10:35 PM
And we all know that if the pastor is pleased with you, God is pleased with you!
Falla39
04-27-2012, 10:59 PM
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this. He is not saying that the pastor cannot be wrong in this statement. He could have been talking in the context of "you cannot love God who you cannot see if you cannot love your brother who you can see".
As preachers, sometimes we get flowery with the language and "Master" and "pastor" happen to rhyme. Being right with or being wrong with someone has to do more with relationship and love than whether the person is right IMO.
I would have to hear the context of the statement, but I just wanted to point out that there are some plausible explanations.
For those who don't know him , Bro. Huntley is a well-known speaker and pastor, and he has never struck me as one of the "the pastors are God" kind of people.
I agree with Bro. Tstew's words in the bolded. I believe Bro. Huntley is a wonderful man of God. He has preached
at the church we attend.
Falla39
Cindy
04-28-2012, 07:44 AM
This was the title to a message by Bro Wayne Huntley. Having a wrong spirit with anyone, makes you wrong with the Master. It has nothing to do with the Pastor, but it did make a good title.
This is the explanation given by the poster. I was not the only confused person that responded.
Michael Phelps
04-28-2012, 07:47 AM
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this. He is not saying that the pastor cannot be wrong in this statement. He could have been talking in the context of "you cannot love God who you cannot see if you cannot love your brother who you can see".
As preachers, sometimes we get flowery with the language and "Master" and "pastor" happen to rhyme. Being right with or being wrong with someone has to do more with relationship and love than whether the person is right IMO.
I would have to hear the context of the statement, but I just wanted to point out that there are some plausible explanations.
For those who don't knowhim , Bro. Huntley is a well-known speaker and pastor, and he has never struck me as one of the "the pastors are God" kind of people.
I agree. I don't know Bro. Huntley very well, but have heard him preach many times, and have never gotten that vibe at all. I have a lot of respect for him.
My guess is that he is simply saying that it's hard to maintain a right relationship with God if you can't submit to pastoral authority, assuming of course, that the pastor is in tune with God.
Hoovie
04-28-2012, 07:51 AM
This was the title to a message by Bro Wayne Huntley. Having a wrong spirit with anyone, makes you wrong with the Master. It has nothing to do with the Pastor, but it did make a good title.
This is the explanation given by the poster. I was not the only confused person that responded.
So I understand it better then...
In that context You cant be right with the Master and wrong with the pastor can be true, as well as, You cant be right with the Master and wrong with congregation. (even though that one doesn't rhyme much...)
The point is not that someone reaches infallibility, but that we can and must forgive and forget.
tstew
04-28-2012, 07:53 AM
I agree. I don't know Bro. Huntley very well, but have heard him preach many times, and have never gotten that vibe at all. I have a lot of respect for him.
My guess is that he is simply saying that it's hard to maintain a right relationship with God if you can't submit to pastoral authority, assuming of course, that the pastor is in tune with God.
I agree, but I'm even going a step further. I'm saying it is possible that he was not even talking specifically about pastoral authority (depending on the context of the sermon). If the sermon was about being right with people in general, this could just be a "preachy" way of saying that. It could be just as generic as saying, "you can't be right with God but wrong with Bob". Of course, in hearing the context, it may be possible that he is referring to pastoral authority, but even then it is a stretch to say he is saying all pastors are always right.
Falla39
04-28-2012, 08:35 AM
I agree. I don't know Bro. Huntley very well, but have heard him preach many times, and have never gotten that vibe at all. I have a lot of respect for him.
My guess is that he is simply saying that it's hard to maintain a right relationship with God if you can't submit to pastoral authority, assuming of course, that the pastor is in tune with God.
Agree, Bro. Phelps!
Falla39
When I read this quote, obviously lacking a context, I reflected upon a situation where we were right with God, but because of situations that were beyond our control, we were not in harmony with the pastor. We did nothing wrong, and consistently fought to maintain a right spirit, but it had a very heavy impact on our spiritual life.
Hoovie
04-28-2012, 12:27 PM
If someone has serious disagreement with a pastor I think most would say its time to find another one... Not sure I agree with that. I feel there is a place of maturity that can be reached where you respect one another in spite of differing opinions on secondary issues.
I would agree that there is no room for hard feelings, spite or malice on either side.
I agree that if it is possible that this is to be done. However, I am only responsible for my own attitude and not for that of the other party. You can be right with God and wrong with the pastor if the pastor is wrong with God. And as much as I dislike the thought, it does happen when some men misplace their values and priorities.
And everyone here knows that there are few here that defend pastoral authority more vigorously than me.
Hoovie
04-28-2012, 12:43 PM
I agree with you Jay. There are certainly times when a peaceful resolution is simply not possible. At that point it becomes the other pastors or the Elders responsibility to remove the pastor in question... Of course that assumes a plural leadership is in place.
KeyboardCowboy
09-23-2013, 01:52 PM
You cant be right with the Master and wrong with the pastor" - Wayne Huntley
This was posted by a Facebook friend. I misread it the first time, I think. It's kind of confusing to me. Any thoughts or explanations would be appreciated.
I go to Brother Huntley's church, and have heard him make this statement many times or something similar to it. "You can't be right with the master, and not be right with the pastor" is how I remember it.
Having been in his church many years, I would say he means it literally. Quite frankly, I don't care for it much. I have saw too much submission abuse over the years to swallow this hook, line, and sinker.
RandyWayne
09-23-2013, 02:29 PM
Originally Posted by Cindy
You cant be right with the Master and wrong with the pastor" - Wayne Huntley
This was posted by a Facebook friend. I misread it the first time, I think. It's kind of confusing to me. Any thoughts or explanations would be appreciated.
I go to Brother Huntley's church, and have heard him make this statement many times or something similar to it. "You can't be right with the master, and not be right with the pastor" is how I remember it.
Having been in his church many years, I would say he means it literally. Quite frankly, I don't care for it much. I have saw too much submission abuse over the years to swallow this hook, line, and sinker.
This sounds like something Nathan Dudley would, and has, said.
"Ladies! If you want to know how to dress, look at how your pastors wife dresses!" and other such bilge.
Originalist
09-23-2013, 02:37 PM
You cant be right with the Master and wrong with the pastor" - Wayne Huntley
This was posted by a Facebook friend. I misread it the first time, I think. It's kind of confusing to me. Any thoughts or explanations would be appreciated.
My AoG pastor told me in 1993 that I was wrong to get re-baptized in Jesus' name and embrace the Oneness doctrine. Does that mean I am not right with God because he opposed my decision?
navygoat1998
09-23-2013, 03:01 PM
My AoG pastor told me in 1993 that I was wrong to get re-baptized in Jesus' name and embrace the Oneness doctrine. Does that mean I am not right with God because he opposed my decision?
Funny if you would have obeyed you would still be in the AG and not the AG and if we would have obeyed we would still be in UPC and not the AG.
Its a conspiracy......:icecream
Jermyn Davidson
09-23-2013, 03:05 PM
This sounds like something Nathan Dudley would, and has, said.
"Ladies! If you want to know how to dress, look at how your pastors wife dresses!" and other such bilge.
Some ladies need a role model for how to dress decently.
"Class" doesn't come overnight.
Jermyn Davidson
09-23-2013, 03:08 PM
There may be some truth to Bro Huntley's statement-- but we should strive to make things right with al of our brothers and sisters in Christ, unless they make it not possible.
Still, if there is "something" between a church member and a Pastor, and if both know about it, then eventually, the both of them will be wrong for never talking addressing that "something", imho....
Nitehawk013
09-24-2013, 04:36 AM
It's just one of the many lines used to lift the "man of God" up to the level of being infallible rulers you cannot question or disagree with.
It was weird seeing a thread started by Cindy. I thought for a minute it was new. :(
scotty
09-25-2013, 05:02 AM
It was weird seeing a thread started by Cindy. I thought for a minute it was new. :(
:nod
:sad
KeyboardCowboy
09-25-2013, 09:09 AM
It was weird seeing a thread started by Cindy. I thought for a minute it was new. :(
Is she no longer with us?
Is she no longer with us?
No Cowboy, sister Cindy went passed away this summer.
KeyboardCowboy
09-25-2013, 09:30 AM
Ok. Thanks.
Originalist
09-25-2013, 09:35 AM
Here is what the quote means....
It is impossible for God to happy with you if your pastor is not happy with you. If your pastor is not happy with you then, automatically, God is not happy with you.
Here is the truth....If your conscience is clear, and you know that God is happy with you, and at the same time your pastor is not happy with you, then your pastor has a problem that you need not concern yourself with.
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