Wearing a Suit and a Tie

[BrotherEastman]

I heard a preacher say that you should dress your best when coming to church (part of the first fruits i guess). He stated that being in the presence of God should warrant what we wear. I fail to see the logic behind his premise. I have prayed to God in my pj's and felt God just as much as I would if I were in church wearing a suit and a tie. Some preachers need to get off a high horse and get real.

[Dordrecht]

I have prayed to God in my pj's

I did too, but that does not mean I can go to church like that.
I would love to, but that's another story...something like midnight madness at the local mall, but go to church at midnight and have revival?

If a guy shows up like a slob in church, that's fine for a few times.
But if he keeps coming in like that, maybe we should throw some money at him and take him to a clothing store.
I mean, get real....look decent when in church.
What's wrong with looking decent in the Lord's house???

[BrotherEastman]

I did too, but that does not mean I can go to church like that.
I would love to, but that's another story...something like midnight madness at the local mall, but go to church at midnight and have revival?

So, do you wear a suit every time you go to church? What about wearing jeans and a t-shirt?

[Bro. Robbins]

I would agree that some over spiritualize what is worn. When it comes to Biblical instruction, I do believe modesty and making sure that what is worn isn't to bring attention to self, but to the Lord is always important.

But secondarily, I do believe that everything as unto the Lord is an important factor here. We live in such a disrespectful world these days. People are so disrespectful and casual in their conduct toward one another and society in general, and I would love to think that the church, when the family of God comes together for corporate worship, could be one place that we dress respectful.

But I use that same rule of thumb as well for the funeral home, if I were to go out to eat, to visit someone's home, etc.

I absolutely am apalled how disrespectful we as society have become to one another especially at the funeral home. It amazes me how people come dressed now, as if they were going down to Walmart.

So, I agree with you brother, but to an extent. There are some things we do not because it's a Bible Issue, but just because it's respectful, appropriate, and the right thing to do... and dressing in your best (whatever that may be) for church, the funeral home, visiting someone, going out to eat, etc is just a respectful thing to do, IMO.

[Bro. Robbins]

So, do you wear a suit every time you go to church? What about wearing jeans and a t-shirt?

I wouldn't wear jeans and a t shirt out in public unless I just had to run to the corner convenience store to pick something up late at night... so I sure wouldn't wear it to church....

[BrotherEastman]

I went to church last night in a polo shirt and a pair of jeans and got preached to.

[MissBrattified]

I don't think what you wear has any bearing on your spirituality. I do think that different churches and church cultures have varying ideas about what is acceptable, and it seems appropriate to fall in line with the practices of your local church. Some churches have a more casual atmosphere, some more formal--I'm not convinced that either is better than the other. I'd say wear what's comfortable unless you're on staff and you're specifically asked to wear something different. Our church is a mixture, with the exception of Sunday AM platform people. Some people dress up, some dress casual. Personally, I enjoy dressing up, but I don't care if people show up in casual clothes.

[Bro. Robbins]

I went to church last night in a polo shirt and a pair of jeans and got preached to.

Are you saying you were told you were out of order? If so, the error here is that the person preaching didn't handle it correctly. If they believe you are wrong for doing that, or anything else for that matter, before it reaches the pulpit they are to come to you, Matthew 18. And it shouldn't reach the pulpit unless you are found in willful disobedience of God's Word, which here you are not. At any rate, you should have been approached privately before it ever coming to the pulpit... so that person was out side of the Book.

Secondly, if a congregation together decides the culture of that congregation is that "we're gonna dress up for church" then that's more than fine... and a person should expect to feel somewhat out of place. If they decide we're going to be a "come as you are and want to" type of place, then that is fine as well.

If I person decides to dress in great contrast to the even "unsaid" cultural norms of a congregation, then they need to examine their motives. Are they doing it to try to "teach them" they are wrong, or "get a reaction", or are they sincerely trying to walk in unity, but this is how their heart dictates them to dress.

[Dordrecht]

So, do you wear a suit every time you go to church? What about wearing jeans and a t-shirt?

I don't wear a T shirt to church.
Yes, I do clean and new looking jeans to church.
No I don't wear a suit to church often, but sometimes I do.

But I do look CLEAN, that's the point I am making.
I make sure not to offend someone either.
It's simple, look clean, look decent.

[HRea]

He stated that being in the presence of God should warrant what we wear...I have prayed to God in my pj's and felt God just as much as I would if I were in church wearing a suit and a tie.

Brother, to be truly acceptable, you should have worn a tie with your pj's...just saying.

[RandyWayne]

We should not dress to impress God. How can we? We SHOULD dress appropriately out of respect for our fellow man, as best we can anyways -and that God DOES respect.

[MissBrattified]

We should not dress to impress God. How can we? We SHOULD dress appropriately out of respect for our fellow man, as best we can anyways -and that God DOES respect.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup :yourock

Perfectly stated, RW!!!

[MissBrattified]

...If I person decides to dress in great contrast to the even "unsaid" cultural norms of a congregation, then they need to examine their motives. Are they doing it to try to "teach them" they are wrong, or "get a reaction", or are they sincerely trying to walk in unity, but this is how their heart dictates them to dress.

Good questions.

[Dordrecht]

Let's put it this way, a girl came in looking like a hooker.
The third time she came in some people got some money and took her to a store to buy some decent clothes.
Now she looks decent, she had no money for other clothes.
Does she look the UPCI dress code? No.
Neither do I.

[BrotherEastman]

Are you saying you were told you were out of order? If so, the error here is that the person preaching didn't handle it correctly. If they believe you are wrong for doing that, or anything else for that matter, before it reaches the pulpit they are to come to you, Matthew 18. And it shouldn't reach the pulpit unless you are found in willful disobedience of God's Word, which here you are not. At any rate, you should have been approached privately before it ever coming to the pulpit... so that person was out side of the Book.

Secondly, if a congregation together decides the culture of that congregation is that "we're gonna dress up for church" then that's more than fine... and a person should expect to feel somewhat out of place. If they decide we're going to be a "come as you are and want to" type of place, then that is fine as well.

If I person decides to dress in great contrast to the even "unsaid" cultural norms of a congregation, then they need to examine their motives. Are they doing it to try to "teach them" they are wrong, or "get a reaction", or are they sincerely trying to walk in unity, but this is how their heart dictates them to dress.

The preacher never came to me before he preached. Usually I wear a suit and tie on Sundays, but on bible study nights I just do not feel it is necessary to wear the suit. There were plenty others who did not wear a suit and tie and I am guessing that the preacher was being mean.

[RandyWayne]

I went to church last night in a polo shirt and a pair of jeans and got preached to.

Actually, I rarely, if ever, wear jeans to church -I guess I'm just too irritated at the whole relevant/hip/Apple culture. But I DO wear (almost exclusively) Hawaiian shirts and business casual pants.

[MissBrattified]

The preacher never came to me before he preached. Usually I wear a suit and tie on Sundays, but on bible study nights I just do not feel it is necessary to wear the suit. There were plenty others who did not wear a suit and tie and I am guessing that the preacher was being mean.

Pastor? Minister-on-staff? Or visiting preacher?

[BrotherEastman]

Pastor? Minister-on-staff? Or visiting preacher?

Pastor

[RevDWW]

"I don't think a suit and tie are gonna set the world free."

[Bro. Robbins]

The preacher never came to me before he preached. Usually I wear a suit and tie on Sundays, but on bible study nights I just do not feel it is necessary to wear the suit. There were plenty others who did not wear a suit and tie and I am guessing that the preacher was being mean.

There is a balance for sure. I prefer a church culture where we dress for respect at all times, respecting one another and the Lord. I prefer a suit and tie on Sunday for me and those that can afford it, but our best none the less. But I have never understood the cultures where they wear suit and tie for midweek service.

That just always seemed to me a little disrespectful actually. So many folks coming straight from work, that won't come because they feel like they'll stick out. Making our classes and studies much more formal than they need to be. Since most midweek services I've gone to is classes and bible studies, just always seemed to me it could be a little less formal, taking into consideration people's schedules. If everybody didn't have to get suited up, maybe you could have church at a decent hour like 7 instead of 7:30 and us get home before midnight, LOL.

[Dordrecht]

"I don't think a suit and tie are gonna set the world free."

Depends on the colour.

[houston]

Depends on the colour.

Black suit, white shirt!

[rgcraig]

I went to church last night in a polo shirt and a pair of jeans and got preached to.

That's nuts! What if you had just left work?

[Dordrecht]

That's nuts! What if you had just left work?

They knew he didn't.

[Michael Phelps]

I wouldn't wear jeans and a t shirt out in public unless I just had to run to the corner convenience store to pick something up late at night... so I sure wouldn't wear it to church....

Why wouldn't you wear jeans and a T-shirt in public?

[rgcraig]

I grew up in the "dress to the nines" era of church going! However, now with society being more relaxed (right or wrong), I think the church needs to be cognizant of that too.

If the church is just a country club of members, then sure, require everyone to dress in suits/ties. If you want to reach the lost people of this world - - relax a little!

[Dordrecht]

I have seen 5 year old boys in suits and tie.
That's absurd if you ask me....

[Bro. Robbins]

Why wouldn't you wear jeans and a T-shirt in public?

Just too casual for me... doesn't feel appropriate... has nothing to do with church or being a Christian, just seems way too relaxed to me, I wasn't brought up to be casual in public... casual is for behind doors for me.

[rgcraig]

Just too casual for me... doesn't feel appropriate... has nothing to do with church or being a Christian, just seems way too relaxed to me, I wasn't brought up to be casual in public... casual is for behind doors for me.

So, what do you wear when you go to the grocery store?

[Michael Phelps]

Just too casual for me... doesn't feel appropriate... has nothing to do with church or being a Christian, just seems way too relaxed to me, I wasn't brought up to be casual in public... casual is for behind doors for me.

Gotcha. Can't argue with preference!

I'm quite the opposite, I'm much more comfortable in jeans and a T-shirt than in a suit and tie these days.

[Bro. Robbins]

So, what do you wear when you go to the grocery store?

jeans and a button up or polo style shirt, or many times casual dockers and a dress shirt. I do all my shopping at the same time, I'm old school, so I go to all the stores I need to go to for the week at one time. Just like growing up, if we were going to town, we got cleaned up and dressed and hit them all at once.

So I go to all the stores at once, hitting grocery store last. And if I by some chance ever have to stop by the store for an item that can't wait till Saturday, then I'm stopping on my way home from work and am dressed up then.

[Bro. Robbins]

Gotcha. Can't argue with preference!

I'm quite the opposite, I'm much more comfortable in jeans and a T-shirt than in a suit and tie these days.

What do you wear to the funeral home?

[houston]

What do you wear to the funeral home?

I don't attend funerals. Let the dead bury their dead...

[Bro. Robbins]

I don't attend funerals. Let the dead bury their dead...

LOL, wasn't asking you, but okay, LOL.

[rgcraig]

jeans and a button up or polo style shirt, or many times casual dockers and a dress shirt. I do all my shopping at the same time, I'm old school, so I go to all the stores I need to go to for the week at one time. Just like growing up, if we were going to town, we got cleaned up and dressed and hit them all at once.

So I go to all the stores at once, hitting grocery store last. And if I by some chance ever have to stop by the store for an item that can't wait till Saturday, then I'm stopping on my way home from work and am dressed up then.

Makes sense!

So, I think we can safely say that we will never see you in the People of Walmart photos!

It does amaze me what people will actually wear/not wear when going out!

[Aquila]

I heard a preacher say that you should dress your best when coming to church (part of the first fruits i guess). He stated that being in the presence of God should warrant what we wear. I fail to see the logic behind his premise. I have prayed to God in my pj's and felt God just as much as I would if I were in church wearing a suit and a tie. Some preachers need to get off a high horse and get real.

An old throw back to the Roman church. When Christianity was made a legal religion in Rome, Christian clergy were appointed as public officials. It was not accepted to enter the presence of a Roman official in common clothing. For this reason many slaves and peasants were thrown out of the early Romanized church.

Frankly, God doesn't care if two or more believers gather in a livingroom, coffee shop, or bar & grill, dressed in plain shirts and jeans. God only wants to be glorified in Christ Jesus.

[RandyWayne]

What do you wear to the funeral home?

How often do you go anyways?

[Michael Phelps]

What do you wear to the funeral home?

I can't even remember the last time I was at a funeral home, thankfully. I would certainly wear a suit and tie for an actual funeral, but that's just customary.

Probably, even if I visited a church these days, I'd wear a suit and tie if it was an Apostolic church, but again, just custom.

[Bro. Robbins]

How often do you go anyways?

well, I go probably more than the average person since I'm in ministry, but also I was raised that you go at least for visitation ANYTIME anyone you know has a death in their family, if you consider them a friend, or go to church with them, etc.

I'm probably in a funeral home for at least visitation about 10-12 times a year... and attend probably at least 5 or 6 funerals a year. Of course more now at 39 than I did when I was in my 20's.

[Bro. Robbins]

I suppose I'm just more old school on how people dress out in public than others in my age group.... I expect my doctor when I go to see him to be in a tie and dress shirt and slacks... I'd have less respect for him if he didn't look professional.

If I go to see an attorney, I expect him to be dressed in tie and jacket.

If I went to court, I'd expect the judge to be dressed professionally.

Even the A/C/Heating guys that I use, I use them because all their guys look so professional, and clean cut, and he won't even hire anyone that has any visible body piercings or tattoos.

yes, I am a dinosaur, but I just think we've become WAAAAYYYY too relaxed and casual in our society.

[Michael Phelps]

I suppose I'm just more old school on how people dress out in public than others in my age group.... I expect my doctor when I go to see him to be in a tie and dress shirt and slacks... I'd have less respect for him if he didn't look professional.

If I go to see an attorney, I expect him to be dressed in tie and jacket.

If I went to court, I'd expect the judge to be dressed professionally.

Even the A/C/Heating guys that I use, I use them because all their guys look so professional, and clean cut, and he won't even hire anyone that has any visible body piercings or tattoos.

yes, I am a dinosaur, but I just think we've become WAAAAYYYY too relaxed and casual in our society.

I hear what you're saying, but all I can see when I read this is that you put a HUGE amount of emphasis on the outward appearance. Which, is probably why you're a good Apostolic! And, I mean that sincerely, not poking fun.

[Sherri]

Our church is very casual. No one really worries about what anyone else wears, as long as it's modest. Sometimes I dress up; sometimes I'm in jeans. Tonight I will wear what I've worn all day, since I won't have time to change. Who cares?

[AreYouReady?]

1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well;

James 2:1-8

[Dordrecht]

Sherri, I can see your arm on that photo!:foottap:foottap

[AreYouReady?]

Our church is very casual. No one really worries about what anyone else wears, as long as it's modest. Sometimes I dress up; sometimes I'm in jeans. Tonight I will wear what I've worn all day, since I won't have time to change. Who cares?

:thumbsup

[Aquila]

1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well;

James 2:1-8

:yourock

[Bro. Robbins]

I hear what you're saying, but all I can see when I read this is that you put a HUGE amount of emphasis on the outward appearance. Which, is probably why you're a good Apostolic! And, I mean that sincerely, not poking fun.

Absolutely... first impressions you know. And so does everywhere I've ever worked. I've worked in Healthcare my whole life, very strict dress codes, and it's all about impressions. I am fully aware that the outward isn't a total lithmus test of the quality, skill, ability or anything else internal of that person, but I do believe what's on the inside of that person, their mindset, their attitude toward me, and others, and society will show at least to some degree in their outward appearance.

FYI, I also feel that way about how a person keeps their house, yard and if they have a messy desk/work area at work. In management, I've always had more confidence, and trust in my employees that showed strong organization, administration, and had neat work areas when I needed someone I could trust with a big job.

When I'm trusting someone with my money, my work, my time, my needs, my health, or feeding my soul... I want them to look like someone that can handle it.

[Bro. Robbins]

1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well;

James 2:1-8

Really doesn't apply to the topic... I don't think anyone condoned in the thread treating, or loving someone differently because how they are dressed for church... or did I miss that?

[Michael Phelps]

1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well;

James 2:1-8

Great reference.....here's another one:

John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. ~Jesus

[rgcraig]

If I had to have brain surgery - my brain surgeon can wear only his boxes under his scrubs and long as he's smart, comfortable and knows what he's doing.

[Sam]

I went to church last night in a polo shirt and a pair of jeans and got preached to.

I've taught midweek Bible Study at our church while wearing a tee shirt, shorts, and sandals. I also dress like that while attending Sunday morning service.

[Michael Phelps]

Absolutely... first impressions you know. And so does everywhere I've ever worked. I've worked in Healthcare my whole life, very strict dress codes, and it's all about impressions. I am fully aware that the outward isn't a total lithmus test of the quality, skill, ability or anything else internal of that person, but I do believe what's on the inside of that person, their mindset, their attitude toward me, and others, and society will show at least to some degree in their outward appearance.

FYI, I also feel that way about how a person keeps their house, yard and if they have a messy desk/work area at work. In management, I've always had more confidence, and trust in my employees that showed strong organization, administration, and had neat work areas when I needed someone I could trust with a big job.

When I'm trusting someone with my money, my work, my time, my needs, my health, or feeding my soul... I want them to look like someone that can handle it.

I guess my only issue with your earlier post was you said you would "lose respect" for your doctor if he didn't have on a shirt and tie.

Frankly, I could care less what my doctor was wearing as long as he treated my illness with skill and expertise.

I also think you're judging everyone else by your own set of standards, which we all do. Not everyone may have been raised the way you were, so what you consider disrespect may have never entered their minds.

[Sam]

1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well;

James 2:1-8

If he came into some of our churches wearing a gold ring he'd be preached at and condemned for it.

[Bro. Robbins]

If I had to have brain surgery - my brain surgeon can wear only his boxes under his scrubs and long as he's smart, comfortable and knows what he's doing.

Not me... now, if he does that to do the surgery, fine... want him comfortable. But the first time we meet is going to be during a consult. If he were to walk in with flip flops on, and some cargo shorts... I'll be gathering my things and asking for a new referral to another doctor...

and I've actually done that. I had just moved to the Charlotte area and was needing a new Internal Med doc. I had been sent to this guy that was highly recommended. He came in with shorts on, flip flops, and hadn't shaved in a couple of days. I told him, I'm sorry, this just isn't going to work. I'm sure your very capable, but we're just not going to be compatible for a doctor/patient relationship... and I found another doc.

[AreYouReady?]

Really doesn't apply to the topic... I don't think anyone condoned in the thread treating, or loving someone differently because how they are dressed for church... or did I miss that?

How would this NOT apply to this topic?

Why would making someone feel uncomfortable about the type of clothing he wore to church be any different from this scripture?

[Bro. Robbins]

If he came into some of our churches wearing a gold ring he'd be preached at and condemned for it.

And that would also be wrong. There is a proper way to handle instruction when it's needed.

[AreYouReady?]

If he came into some of our churches wearing a gold ring he'd be preached at and condemned for it.

Equal opportunity condemners?

[Bro. Robbins]

How would this NOT apply to this topic?

Why would making someone feel uncomfortable about the type of clothing he wore to church be any different from this scripture?


Because no one in the thread is condoning making someone feel uncomfortable about the type of clothing they wear to church. Everyone, unless I've missed it, has agreed that would be wrong.

And since you didn't quote the original post in your reponse, it looked like you were interjecting to the current trend of discussion the thread had taken, and that somehow you were chiding the surrounding posts, and not responding to the original post/topic at hand.

Just misunderstood where you were pointing your artillery... no harm no foul.

[Sam]

What do you wear to the funeral home?

A grand daughter is getting married this month.
Since it will be a formal wedding I'm expected to wear a suit.
So, yesterday I went through my closet. I pulled out 4 different suits and one sport coat. All were too small. They were in various sizes I've worn over the years and inside the suit coat pockets I found various funeral cards from funerals I've attended or preached over the years. It's been some time since I've preached a funeral. I guess after I get a new suit for the wedding I'll be able to preach funerals again till I grow out of the new suit. (my prednisone dosage has been quadrupled so I guess I'll be gaining more weight)

[Bro. Robbins]

I also think you're judging everyone else by your own set of standards, which we all do. Not everyone may have been raised the way you were, so what you consider disrespect may have never entered their minds.


Very true, but I'm the customer, therefore, for where my money gets spent... I get to set the rules, :nod.

[AreYouReady?]

And that would also be wrong. There is a proper way to handle instruction when it's needed.

Why should anybody need instruction for coming to church wearing a polo shirt and jeans?

[Bro. Robbins]

Why should anybody need instruction for coming to church wearing a polo shirt and jeans?

Your taking my comment out of context. I typed that in response to someone saying something about coming to church wearing a gold ring.....

And in regards to polo shirt and jeans, never said anything about it. I commented on a t shirt and jeans... but you can't just take one or two sentences, but the body of all my comments of this thread to get my full jest on the topic.

I commented in the very beginning about what is appropriate based on the culture of that particular congregation, and the motives behind why the person is dressed the way they are... and if correction is needed for some reason, the way to handle it is according to Matthew 18... not from the pulpit initially.

[rgcraig]

Not me... now, if he does that to do the surgery, fine... want him comfortable. But the first time we meet is going to be during a consult. If he were to walk in with flip flops on, and some cargo shorts... I'll be gathering my things and asking for a new referral to another doctor...

and I've actually done that. I had just moved to the Charlotte area and was needing a new Internal Med doc. I had been sent to this guy that was highly recommended. He came in with shorts on, flip flops, and hadn't shaved in a couple of days. I told him, I'm sorry, this just isn't going to work. I'm sure your very capable, but we're just not going to be compatible for a doctor/patient relationship... and I found another doc.

Well, as Michael has mentioned, because you were raised this way doesn't mean it even crosses other's minds.

They might see you as a wound-up tight (fill in any word) type person and feel like you have control issues and not trust you.

[Michael Phelps]

Very true, but I'm the customer, therefore, for where my money gets spent... I get to set the rules, :nod.

You are 100% correct. You can set the rules where you spend your dough!

I'd just hate to lose out on some potentially great friendships, professional expertise, etc. because I judged the book by its cover.

But, that's just me! I have the same right you do, thankfully! :highfive

[AreYouReady?]

Because no one in the thread is condoning making someone feel uncomfortable about the type of clothing they wear to church. Everyone, unless I've missed it, has agreed that would be wrong.

And since you didn't quote the original post in your reponse, it looked like you were interjecting to the current trend of discussion the thread had taken, and that somehow you were chiding the surrounding posts, and not responding to the original post/topic at hand.

Just misunderstood where you were pointing your artillery... no harm no foul.

Sorry you felt that way. From the responses, it looks like nobody took my scripture quote as "chiding" anybody's post.

Sometimes I come across as contentious...not meaning to be.

[AreYouReady?]

Your taking my comment out of context. I typed that in response to someone saying something about coming to church wearing a gold ring.....

And in regards to polo shirt and jeans, never said anything about it. I commented on a t shirt and jeans... but you can't just take one or two sentences, but the body of all my comments of this thread to get my full jest on the topic.

I commented in the very beginning about what is appropriate based on the culture of that particular congregation, and the motives behind why the person is dressed the way they are... and if correction is needed for some reason, the way to handle it is according to Matthew 18... not from the pulpit initially.

How is asking this question "taking your post out of context"? Just wanted your take on it....not criticizing. I feel sorry that you are so defensive.

Forgive me...for responding to you.

[Bro. Robbins]

Well, as Michael has mentioned, because you were raised this way doesn't mean it even crosses other's minds.

They might see you as a wound-up tight (fill in any word) type person and feel like you have control issues and not trust you.

Oh I absolutely agree I'm wound up tight... I am a pretty straight laced, proper etiquette, do the appropriate thing, up tight kind of guy. That's how I'm happy. LOL. I love protocol, structure, admin, etc....

And that's more than fine if they don't trust me and feel like I have control issues.... that's the beauty of free will and choice... and I'm thankful for it on my behalf and theirs.

[Bro. Robbins]

You are 100% correct. You can set the rules where you spend your dough!

I'd just hate to lose out on some potentially great friendships, professional expertise, etc. because I judged the book by its cover.

But, that's just me! I have the same right you do, thankfully! :highfive

Absolutely!

[rgcraig]

Oh I absolutely agree I'm wound up tight... I am a pretty straight laced, proper etiquette, do the appropriate thing, up tight kind of guy. That's how I'm happy. LOL. I love protocol, structure, admin, etc....

And that's more than fine if they don't trust me and feel like I have control issues.... that's the beauty of free will and choice... and I'm thankful for it on my behalf and theirs.

Yes, it is a good thing!

[The Lemon]

Geeez! This thread amazes me and brings into question more then one sacred cow that we in the west have! I could go so many directions with this, but first let me say that I do believe in looking your best during times of worship at the local assembly etc., that being whatever "your" best may happen to be.

Having said that, this still goes back to a cultural and traditional issue and not bible at all, as far as the suit and tie / dressy dress goes. What i find ironic in small town America is that many Blue collar workers work Swing Shift and maybe get 2-Sundays a month off...so there goes the Sacred "Your off work so dress up" Sunday ritual for some.

I just can't help but wonder why a cloth necklace and cuff links are necessary to show respect to God, much less each other in a worship setting..if anything it has the potential for exposing pride and ego.

Don't get me wrong I have a closet full of dress clothes and suits I wear to church, but to me this is another circular argument that can de-rail the real commission, which has nothing to do with how good you look. Modesty I understand, the other...not so much..

[Bro. Robbins]

You'll never see Brother Robbins with a tie on that cost more than $10 or ever with a pair of cufflinks on... LOL.

[rgcraig]

Geeez! This thread amazes me and brings into question more then one sacred cow that we in the west have! I could go so many directions with this, but first let me say that I do believe in looking your best during times of worship at the local assembly etc., that being whatever "your" best may happen to be.

Having said that, this still goes back to a cultural and traditional issue and not bible at all, as far as the suit and tie / dressy dress goes. What i find ironic in small town America is that many Blue collar workers work Swing Shift and maybe get 2-Sundays a month off...so there goes the Sacred "Your off work so dress up" Sunday ritual for some.

I just can't help but wonder why a cloth necklace and cuff links are necessary to show respect to God, much less each other in a worship setting..if anything it has the potential for exposing pride and ego.

Don't get me wrong I have a closet full of dress clothes and suits I wear to church, but to me this is another circular argument that can de-rail the real commission, which has nothing to do with how good you look. Modesty I understand, the other...not so much..

Lemon, you are in the West? I thought you were from Maryland.

[Michael Phelps]

You'll never see Brother Robbins with a tie on that cost more than $10 or ever with a pair of cufflinks on... LOL.

Well, this begs the question - how did you come up with the $10 limit for a tie?

[AreYouReady?]

But lemon, I would say that it does have something to do with Bible.

Jesus gave many lessons in the Gospels about this very thing...right down to the Scribes and Pharisee's criticizing Christ Himself over not washing his hands for a meal. Perhaps it is not about the attire in itself, but the implications one gives when preaching about what type of attire we should wear?

How do we get past the petty stuff in our churches? What will we do when everything is taken away from us and we have to meet secretly to worship God? Will we be saying something about each other's attire when we assemble in small groups because the possibility that our government might make worshiping Christ illegal?

[aegsm76]

I am not too hung up on what people wear to church, but I do think that some clothing could show a lack of respect, whether intended or not.
I am amazed at how many people do not take into account what they wear in what setting.
I have had people show up for a job interview in torn jeans, flip-flops and a ratty t-shirt.
Now it was an entry-level job, but you are not going to be hired by many people coming in like that.

[Dordrecht]

I have had people show up for a job interview in torn jeans, flip-flops and a ratty t-shirt.
Now it was an entry-level job, but you are not going to be hired by many people coming in like that.


Some people are plain stupid.
And they complain about not being able to find work!

[Scott Hutchinson]

I like cufflinks if I had another French Cuff shirt,I'd wear my cufflinks.

[Dordrecht]

We had a girl show up one morning in bikini on a motorcycle.
She also drove right into the back of my car.
She was fired at the spot.

[Jay]

I prefer suits and ties when going to church, however, I am not above wearing colored dress shirts (generally black or blue) when I am not going to be preaching. I was at a funeral last week, and was rather appalled by the informality, however, as I later heard that was more the wishes of the deceased, it mitigated my incredulity.

Our church does not have that style of dress code. If you wish to be used then you abide by the minimum that the pastor has set (decent necklines, sleeves below the elbow, hems below the knees [ladies], and no shorts [men]). My grandpa made a joke about it one Sunday night, and we laughed.

I find that I love to dress up for church, and so have no problem with suits and ties during the mid-week. However, as a youth, we were in a church that did not have a casual atmosphere for service.

I will not generally be wearing a t-shirt (long sleeved) by itself. One of the few exceptions is for a case of it being one of my uniforms. I often will be seen wearing black jeans, and generally a button down shirt, although I also wear a short sleeved polo over a long sleeved t.

[Sam]

I've taught midweek Bible Study at our church while wearing a tee shirt, shorts, and sandals. I also dress like that while attending Sunday morning service.

Our church is located downtown in an old historic section one block from businesses and where there are older buildings. Some of them are preserved as homes or preserved and used for businesses but some are deteriorated and have been converted to multiple family dwellings. We have lots of children who attend and their parents do not. We feed children dinner before our Super Kidz service on Wednesday. We may have 50-75 teenagers in our youth meeting and most of them do not have parents who attend church. Several have been saved. Breakfast is available on Sunday mornings for whoever shows up and goes down to the kitchen. Several homeless people show up for breakfast and attend the 9:30 adult Bible Class. It is a very informal church in a poorer area of the city ministering to people that some other churches would not be interested in. Our Pastor says it is more of a ministry than a church.

[Sam]

I've taught midweek Bible Study at our church while wearing a tee shirt, shorts, and sandals. I also dress like that while attending Sunday morning service.

Tonight I taught midweek Bible Study wearing jeans, an Ohio State tee shirt, and gym shoes. I did wear socks also. Like I said, it is an informal church. Our Pastor does not wear shorts on Sunday mornings but does during the week. He does not wear a tie. Shorts, tee shirts, flip flops, jeans, are OK for the folks on the platform.

[Bro. Robbins]

Well, this begs the question - how did you come up with the $10 limit for a tie?

LOL, not sure why it BEGS the question... again, this has nothing to do with any extra Biblical teaching or anything like that. I'm a very frugal man, and live on a budget. I try to be a very good steward of my finances, and use widsom when make purchases. Since I live alone (if I aint making the money, nobody is), own a home, own a car, trying to put up for retirement, etc... have projects at the house that need to be done, and all the other bills any household has.... I have found that at $10, I can find ties that are nice enough to not be embarrassing, and also not feel guilty over how much I paid for it.

I also try to live as frugal working my secular job, as I did when I was full time ministry, and the members of the church paid my salary. Yes I earned it, but also people needed to feel confident they were investing in someone who wasn't wasting that hard earned money they were putting back into ministry. I felt an extra sense of duty to be an even better steward of my finances, so that folks that were contributing knew how much I appreciated the honor to be in full time ministry and not have to work a secular job. They needed to know I didn't see it as a free hand out, but that I worked hard, put in a ton of hours serving their families, community and the Lord, and that the honor of being able to do it full time gave me a sense of duty to not squander their funds they contributed.

I try to keep that same sense of stewardship today with my secular paycheck, for two reasons. 1, it's just smart financial management, but also, good practice should I ever be able to go back into full time ministry.

SIDEBAR: Hopefully to not take this thread more off topic than it is already.... I've never agreed with paying tithes all to the pastor, or ministry (preachers). I've also never seen that done anywhere, except Apostolic churches. I believe, and have only served in churches where all tithes went to the ministry (the whole ministry of that local church), and the church had a strict budget for all expenditures. And all ministers (even senior pastor) were on salary. Just the smart way to do things in IMO

[Sam]

LOL, not sure why it BEGS the question... again, this has nothing to do with any extra Biblical teaching or anything like that. I'm a very frugal man, and live on a budget. I try to be a very good steward of my finances, and use widsom when make purchases. Since I live alone (if I aint making the money, nobody is), own a home, own a car, trying to put up for retirement, etc... have projects at the house that need to be done, and all the other bills any household has.... I have found that at $10, I can find ties that are nice enough to not be embarrassing, and also not feel guilty over how much I paid for it.

I also try to live as frugal working my secular job, as I did when I was full time ministry, and the members of the church paid my salary. Yes I earned it, but also people needed to feel confident they were investing in someone who wasn't wasting that hard earned money they were putting back into ministry. I felt an extra sense of duty to be an even better steward of my finances, so that folks that were contributing knew how much I appreciated the honor to be in full time ministry and not have to work a secular job. They needed to know I didn't see it as a free hand out, but that I worked hard, put in a ton of hours serving their families, community and the Lord, and that the honor of being able to do it full time gave me a sense of duty to not squander their funds they contributed.

I try to keep that same sense of stewardship today with my secular paycheck, for two reasons. 1, it's just smart financial management, but also, good practice should I ever be able to go back into full time ministry.

SIDEBAR: Hopefully to not take this thread more off topic than it is already.... I've never agreed with paying tithes all to the pastor, or ministry (preachers). I've also never seen that done anywhere, except Apostolic churches. I believe, and have only served in churches where all tithes went to the ministry (the whole ministry of that local church), and the church had a strict budget for all expenditures. And all ministers (even senior pastor) were on salary. Just the smart way to do things in IMO

:thumbsup:highfive:yourock

[Michael Phelps]

LOL, not sure why it BEGS the question... again, this has nothing to do with any extra Biblical teaching or anything like that. I'm a very frugal man, and live on a budget. I try to be a very good steward of my finances, and use widsom when make purchases. Since I live alone (if I aint making the money, nobody is), own a home, own a car, trying to put up for retirement, etc... have projects at the house that need to be done, and all the other bills any household has.... I have found that at $10, I can find ties that are nice enough to not be embarrassing, and also not feel guilty over how much I paid for it.

I also try to live as frugal working my secular job, as I did when I was full time ministry, and the members of the church paid my salary. Yes I earned it, but also people needed to feel confident they were investing in someone who wasn't wasting that hard earned money they were putting back into ministry. I felt an extra sense of duty to be an even better steward of my finances, so that folks that were contributing knew how much I appreciated the honor to be in full time ministry and not have to work a secular job. They needed to know I didn't see it as a free hand out, but that I worked hard, put in a ton of hours serving their families, community and the Lord, and that the honor of being able to do it full time gave me a sense of duty to not squander their funds they contributed.

I try to keep that same sense of stewardship today with my secular paycheck, for two reasons. 1, it's just smart financial management, but also, good practice should I ever be able to go back into full time ministry.

SIDEBAR: Hopefully to not take this thread more off topic than it is already.... I've never agreed with paying tithes all to the pastor, or ministry (preachers). I've also never seen that done anywhere, except Apostolic churches. I believe, and have only served in churches where all tithes went to the ministry (the whole ministry of that local church), and the church had a strict budget for all expenditures. And all ministers (even senior pastor) were on salary. Just the smart way to do things in IMO

Makes sense to me. I was just curious as to whether there was significance to the $10 mark, instead of $15 or $20, etc.

I do agree with the need to be good stewards, especially for those in full-time ministry. I did the same thing.

[deacon blues]

I heard a preacher say that you should dress your best when coming to church (part of the first fruits i guess). He stated that being in the presence of God should warrant what we wear. I fail to see the logic behind his premise. I have prayed to God in my pj's and felt God just as much as I would if I were in church wearing a suit and a tie. Some preachers need to get off a high horse and get real.

It's an Old Testament view of God that remains alive in legalist circles. The church building is the "House of God" even though NT doctrine shows that God's people are His dwelling place. They have the pastor who is the NT equivalent of the High Priest although NT doctrine teaches that Jesus is our High Priest and that every believer has been made a priest unto God. They have the "altar" in the church building the place where God must be approached although NT teaching shows us that the veil was torn in the Temple and that the Holy Spirit can be approached anywhere and everywhere. And then there's the never ending list of rules that have replaced the OT laws and the years of additions the Jews wrote in conjunction with those laws even though the NT clearly teaches that righteousness cannot be achieved through law keeping.

And then there's the idea that you have to wear fine clothes to go "into the Presence of God". Well, you're in the Presence of God in the shower in your birthday suit. I certainly don't advocate nude church, but I reject the idea that God is offended at a pair of jeans, a tshirt and flip flops. Man looks on the outward appearance but God looks on the heart.

[bbyrd009]

Ecclesiastes 9:8
English Standard Version (©2001)
Let your garments be always white. Let not oil be lacking on your head.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Let your clothes be white all the time, and let not oil be lacking on your head.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Let thy garments be always white; and let thy head lack no ointment.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Always wear clean clothes, and never go without lotion on your head.

Ok, we don't do the head oil thing now; other translations indicate
"smell nice."

[AreYouReady?]

It's an Old Testament view of God that remains alive in legalist circles. The church building is the "House of God" even though NT doctrine shows that God's people are His dwelling place. They have the pastor who is the NT equivalent of the High Priest although NT doctrine teaches that Jesus is our High Priest and that every believer has been made a priest unto God. They have the "altar" in the church building the place where God must be approached although NT teaching shows us that the veil was torn in the Temple and that the Holy Spirit can be approached anywhere and everywhere. And then there's the never ending list of rules that have replaced the OT laws and the years of additions the Jews wrote in conjunction with those laws even though the NT clearly teaches that righteousness cannot be achieved through law keeping.

And then there's the idea that you have to wear fine clothes to go "into the Presence of God". Well, you're in the Presence of God in the shower in your birthday suit. I certainly don't advocate nude church, but I reject the idea that God is offended at a pair of jeans, a tshirt and flip flops. Man looks on the outward appearance but God looks on the heart.

:thumbsup:yourock:nod

[Bro. Robbins]

It's an Old Testament view of God that remains alive in legalist circles. The church building is the "House of God" even though NT doctrine shows that God's people are His dwelling place. They have the pastor who is the NT equivalent of the High Priest although NT doctrine teaches that Jesus is our High Priest and that every believer has been made a priest unto God. They have the "altar" in the church building the place where God must be approached although NT teaching shows us that the veil was torn in the Temple and that the Holy Spirit can be approached anywhere and everywhere. And then there's the never ending list of rules that have replaced the OT laws and the years of additions the Jews wrote in conjunction with those laws even though the NT clearly teaches that righteousness cannot be achieved through law keeping.

And then there's the idea that you have to wear fine clothes to go "into the Presence of God". Well, you're in the Presence of God in the shower in your birthday suit. I certainly don't advocate nude church, but I reject the idea that God is offended at a pair of jeans, a tshirt and flip flops. Man looks on the outward appearance but God looks on the heart.

This may totally be true for some, or even many... but I would discourage you from using that broad brush to paint us all. My views on how one should dress for church has nothing to do with any of that, but more of a societal respect that I think the way you dress gives. To me, when we gather, in any kind of corporate/community gathering, it is disrespectful to myself and those around me if I just slap on whatever feels comfortable to wear. I wear a suit and tie when I go to church, and when I'm in the pulpit. But I also do for funeral home visitation, and the funeral home. I also wear slacks and a nice shirt at the very least for hospital visits, or visiting someone's home.... but I've never thought I was being spiritual by doing so, or somehow keeping some Biblical viewpoint.

I was doing it out of respect for the community I was gathering with, my parents who raised me a certain way to what is appropriate and not, and respect of myself. So I'd appreciate you realizing not everyone falls under the broad brush you just used because some of us feel it's appropriate to dress up for church.

[MissBrattified]

I believe that Christians should care about what God thinks AND what others think. Yes, there are limits to how much we can please others and there should be limits to how much we allow that to affect our personal choices, but at the same time we aren't to deliberately offend. I wear a wedding ring and gold watch, but when I go to certain churches, I take them off. It's a matter of being inoffensive. Why would I want to offend anyone? When we purposely offend with our personal liberties, our attitude needs a check. Furthermore, if I'm in any position of teaching or ministering to others, showing up in something I know will offend people stops my ability to teach them or minister to them from the get-go. Right, wrong or indifferent, people will not listen to someone who offends them. That's human nature.

Man does look at the outward appearance, because that's all we have to go on. Since we know that, we should care about how we present ourselves to others. It isn't a criticism of human nature to say that man looks on the outward--it's a statement of reality. Wisdom says that we deal with people according to their nature. Can we expect them to be God and see into our hearts? No. They're going to act like people and they go by what they see.

That doesn't mean I agree with the pastor and his opinions, but again--if you know you're dressing in a way that will offend others, why do it?

[Coady]

The older I get, the less respect I have for the "professional attire" of the Dewey, Cheatum and Howe "dressed for success" types. Whether they're selling me an insurance policy, advising me where to invest or getting out of their bmw at the back of the hospital my attennaes are up. YRMV.

[RandyWayne]

This may totally be true for some, or even many... but I would discourage you from using that broad brush to paint us all. My views on how one should dress for church has nothing to do with any of that, but more of a societal respect that I think the way you dress gives. To me, when we gather, in any kind of corporate/community gathering, it is disrespectful to myself and those around me if I just slap on whatever feels comfortable to wear. I wear a suit and tie when I go to church, and when I'm in the pulpit. But I also do for funeral home visitation, and the funeral home. I also wear slacks and a nice shirt at the very least for hospital visits, or visiting someone's home.... but I've never thought I was being spiritual by doing so, or somehow keeping some Biblical viewpoint.

I was doing it out of respect for the community I was gathering with, my parents who raised me a certain way to what is appropriate and not, and respect of myself. So I'd appreciate you realizing not everyone falls under the broad brush you just used because some of us feel it's appropriate to dress up for church.

There are others who feel exactly the same way you do as you've just described (including myself).

http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/What-Not-To-Wear-what-not-to-wear-268252_450_330.jpg

And I know you have no idea who these people are, but most here do.

[Michael The Disciple]

I have never liked the "suit and tie" thing. It reminds me of politicians and salesmen. When I was marrying people I wore them and used to wear them to funerals. Never wore them to Church just for a gathering of saints.

[MissBrattified]

There are others who feel exactly the same way you do as you've just described (including myself).

http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/What-Not-To-Wear-what-not-to-wear-268252_450_330.jpg

Those two are brilliant, when it comes to helping people dress in a way that suits them and makes them look their best. I also love that they're into tasteful choices--which we would usually call "modest." I cringe when Stacey says "Shut the front door." :blink I always think she's going to say something else.

[RandyWayne]

Those two are brilliant, when it comes to helping people dress in a way that suits them and makes them look their best. I also love that they're into tasteful choices--which we would usually call "modest." I cringe when Stacey says "Shut the front door." :blink I always think she's going to say something else.

You are right. Both of them HATE it when they feel someone is showing too much skin -usually meaning "the girls".

[deacon blues]

This may totally be true for some, or even many... but I would discourage you from using that broad brush to paint us all. My views on how one should dress for church has nothing to do with any of that, but more of a societal respect that I think the way you dress gives. To me, when we gather, in any kind of corporate/community gathering, it is disrespectful to myself and those around me if I just slap on whatever feels comfortable to wear. I wear a suit and tie when I go to church, and when I'm in the pulpit. But I also do for funeral home visitation, and the funeral home. I also wear slacks and a nice shirt at the very least for hospital visits, or visiting someone's home.... but I've never thought I was being spiritual by doing so, or somehow keeping some Biblical viewpoint.

I was doing it out of respect for the community I was gathering with, my parents who raised me a certain way to what is appropriate and not, and respect of myself. So I'd appreciate you realizing not everyone falls under the broad brush you just used because some of us feel it's appropriate to dress up for church.

I have no problem with maintaining the standards of a professional. I wear suit and tie for weddings/funerals. I wear business casual typically to church. I may be business casual if visiting the hospital. I went to a hospital the other day in jeans and flip flops and a short sleeve shirt. The sister of the woman I visited (late 50s tom early 60s years of age) told her sister later that she thought it was so cool that a preacher would come as a minister in such casual attire. I didn't wear those clothes for any reason than it was hot and it was a day I usually dress comfortably.

I would venture to say that the people that care the most about suit/tie are older and it's because of the generation in which they grew up. If you watch older movies from that era most of the men are in suits and ties, even if just to go to the grocery or gas station. Every man owned a suit typically for church and special occasions. Today many young men don't even own a suit or know how to tie a necktie. We had one man who would come to church in his work uniform and told us later that ours was the first church he attended where he didn't feel judged for the way he dressed. I have had people tell me that they couldn't come to church because they didn't have "church clothes". I'm happy to tell them that they can come to our church as they are with no fear of being judged because we have all kinds: Sunday Best, Business Casual and strictly casual. Our platform has a diversity of attire. I just think it's important that we think about how the world lives and the unspoken message we send to guests and visitors about what's acceptable at church.

Dressing up to keep up appearances is more for the churched than it is for the unchurched. We have to decide if the church is supposed to be designed around the members and the tithe payers or is the purpose of the church to reach the unchurched and outsiders.

Speaking in general, not judging you specifically. I don't think embracing a professional mindset is wrong per se. God knows your heart and I'll leave the judging to Him.

[Bro. Robbins]

I think you and I will just have to agree to disagree on some points. I have a very different view point on most of it. I frankly despise that we are so geered in our culture about "comfort". I don't expect to be "comfortable" anywhere but the house. I don't expect to be comfortable at work, civic or social gatherings, church, etc. I actually despise that outlook and how prominent that it is today. Comfort is of the very least of my considerations when planning how I dress, where I go, what I do, etc outside of my home.

I have no problem with maintaining the standards of a professional. I wear suit and tie for weddings/funerals. I wear business casual typically to church. I may be business casual if visiting the hospital. I went to a hospital the other day in jeans and flip flops and a short sleeve shirt. The sister of the woman I visited (late 50s tom early 60s years of age) told her sister later that she thought it was so cool that a preacher would come as a minister in such casual attire. I didn't wear those clothes for any reason than it was hot and it was a day I usually dress comfortably. I would be too embarrassed to dress in jeans and flip flops anywhere but at home. I won't weart them to the grocery store, much less on a ministry visit.

I would venture to say that the people that care the most about suit/tie are older and it's because of the generation in which they grew up. If you watch older movies from that era most of the men are in suits and ties, even if just to go to the grocery or gas station. Every man owned a suit typically for church and special occasions. Today many young men don't even own a suit or know how to tie a necktie. We had one man who would come to church in his work uniform and told us later that ours was the first church he attended where he didn't feel judged for the way he dressed. I have had people tell me that they couldn't come to church because they didn't have "church clothes". I'm happy to tell them that they can come to our church as they are with no fear of being judged because we have all kinds: Sunday Best, Business Casual and strictly casual. Our platform has a diversity of attire. I just think it's important that we think about how the world lives and the unspoken message we send to guests and visitors about what's acceptable at church. Again, your using a pretty broad brush there. I am in my 30's, and most of my friends (most of whom are not Apostolic or even Pentecostal) or in their 30's/40's. I would say about 70% of them lean much more heavily in my direction according to public dress... and not do the casual thing at all outside of home. Granted, all of them are conservative people, but very few are Pentecostal... so it's not a standards thing, and not an age thing.

Dressing up to keep up appearances is more for the churched than it is for the unchurched. We have to decide if the church is supposed to be designed around the members and the tithe payers or is the purpose of the church to reach the unchurched and outsiders.

Speaking in general, not judging you specifically. I don't think embracing a professional mindset is wrong per se. God knows your heart and I'll leave the judging to Him. I don't believe the church is to reflect the current day culture. Of course it has to, to some degree as far as having a/c, chairs to sit on, etc. But when it comes to our music, our dress, our fellowship, our recreation... the very culture we have.... then I believe the church is to be a culture all to its own, looking nothing like the world around us. When studying church history, the church always dictated and set culture until the mid 20th century... it was only then that the culture started affecting the church to the degree it does today. I believe we are to be thermostats of culture, not themometers. I do believe the church (the people) should stick out like a sore thumb in our conversations, our recreation, our music, our love, our compassion, our peace, our joy, our dress, our families.... all of that.

[Michael Phelps]

Tonight I taught midweek Bible Study wearing jeans, an Ohio State tee shirt, and gym shoes. I did wear socks also. Like I said, it is an informal church. Our Pastor does not wear shorts on Sunday mornings but does during the week. He does not wear a tie. Shorts, tee shirts, flip flops, jeans, are OK for the folks on the platform.

Ok, the only thing obscene about the get up you just described is the Ohio State T-shirt! :smack

[Michael Phelps]

I believe that Christians should care about what God thinks AND what others think. Yes, there are limits to how much we can please others and there should be limits to how much we allow that to affect our personal choices, but at the same time we aren't to deliberately offend. I wear a wedding ring and gold watch, but when I go to certain churches, I take them off. It's a matter of being inoffensive. Why would I want to offend anyone? When we purposely offend with our personal liberties, our attitude needs a check. Furthermore, if I'm in any position of teaching or ministering to others, showing up in something I know will offend people stops my ability to teach them or minister to them from the get-go. Right, wrong or indifferent, people will not listen to someone who offends them. That's human nature.

Man does look at the outward appearance, because that's all we have to go on. Since we know that, we should care about how we present ourselves to others. It isn't a criticism of human nature to say that man looks on the outward--it's a statement of reality. Wisdom says that we deal with people according to their nature. Can we expect them to be God and see into our hearts? No. They're going to act like people and they go by what they see.

That doesn't mean I agree with the pastor and his opinions, but again--if you know you're dressing in a way that will offend others, why do it?

Slight correction, Miss B- outward appearance is not the ONLY thing we have to go on, we really should be getting to know people for WHO they are, not HOW they look.

However, I will concede that it is the FIRST thing we have to go on...........and I agree with your points.

[Michael Phelps]

I think you and I will just have to agree to disagree on some points. I have a very different view point on most of it. I frankly despise that we are so geered in our culture about "comfort". I don't expect to be "comfortable" anywhere but the house. I don't expect to be comfortable at work, civic or social gatherings, church, etc. I actually despise that outlook and how prominent that it is today. Comfort is of the very least of my considerations when planning how I dress, where I go, what I do, etc outside of my home.

I would be too embarrassed to dress in jeans and flip flops anywhere but at home. I won't weart them to the grocery store, much less on a ministry visit.

Again, your using a pretty broad brush there. I am in my 30's, and most of my friends (most of whom are not Apostolic or even Pentecostal) or in their 30's/40's. I would say about 70% of them lean much more heavily in my direction according to public dress... and not do the casual thing at all outside of home. Granted, all of them are conservative people, but very few are Pentecostal... so it's not a standards thing, and not an age thing.

I don't believe the church is to reflect the current day culture. Of course it has to, to some degree as far as having a/c, chairs to sit on, etc. But when it comes to our music, our dress, our fellowship, our recreation... the very culture we have.... then I believe the church is to be a culture all to its own, looking nothing like the world around us. When studying church history, the church always dictated and set culture until the mid 20th century... it was only then that the culture started affecting the church to the degree it does today. I believe we are to be thermostats of culture, not themometers. I do believe the church (the people) should stick out like a sore thumb in our conversations, our recreation, our music, our love, our compassion, our peace, our joy, our dress, our families.... all of that.


I just really don't get this. Why wouldn't you want to be comfortable? Do you equate comfort with sin? I get the whole shirt and tie thing, and wanting to dress professionally, but you can do all of that and still be comfortable!

I keep going back to my original premise - based on the comments you make, it really seems that you are trying to punish yourself for something. You seem bent on self-flagellation, making yourself uncomfortable intentionally, I'm sorry, I just don't get it.

[Jay]

I think you and I will just have to agree to disagree on some points. I have a very different view point on most of it. I frankly despise that we are so geered in our culture about "comfort". I don't expect to be "comfortable" anywhere but the house. I don't expect to be comfortable at work, civic or social gatherings, church, etc. I actually despise that outlook and how prominent that it is today. Comfort is of the very least of my considerations when planning how I dress, where I go, what I do, etc outside of my home.

I would be too embarrassed to dress in jeans and flip flops anywhere but at home. I won't weart them to the grocery store, much less on a ministry visit.

Again, your using a pretty broad brush there. I am in my 30's, and most of my friends (most of whom are not Apostolic or even Pentecostal) or in their 30's/40's. I would say about 70% of them lean much more heavily in my direction according to public dress... and not do the casual thing at all outside of home. Granted, all of them are conservative people, but very few are Pentecostal... so it's not a standards thing, and not an age thing.

I don't believe the church is to reflect the current day culture. Of course it has to, to some degree as far as having a/c, chairs to sit on, etc. But when it comes to our music, our dress, our fellowship, our recreation... the very culture we have.... then I believe the church is to be a culture all to its own, looking nothing like the world around us. When studying church history, the church always dictated and set culture until the mid 20th century... it was only then that the culture started affecting the church to the degree it does today. I believe we are to be thermostats of culture, not themometers. I do believe the church (the people) should stick out like a sore thumb in our conversations, our recreation, our music, our love, our compassion, our peace, our joy, our dress, our families.... all of that.



I have much the same situation, although my best friend will go to almost any church service wearing jeans, boots, and a button down shirt. I have spoken to many people, some of whom (they are ladies) frown upon women wearing pants to church. This has made for many interesting conversations.

I also agree with you about thermostats vs thermometers. The problem has been this way for many years. Denominational and especially Mainline Christianity have become reflections of the culture. Thus they approve gay clergy after the culture celebrates the gay lifestyle in books, movies, and television. They have also turned wishy-washy on the issue of abortion, the inspiration of Scripture, and many other things. Then they want to tell us how we should dress and conduct ourselves in church lest we be seen as out of touch with the culture.


I do not look good barefoot, and you will find my feet wearing nothing shorter than a calf high sock unless in a great hurry (and even then the socks are likely to be applied in the car). I would never be caught making a call in a pair of sandals. However, if caught by an emergency, it would be expected that the first priority would be to get to the hospital.


$10 ties. I would like to know where you buy yours as I rarely pay less than $30 or so (sometimes). I generally only buy a new tie if I am buying an entirely new outfit. This generally means that I am spending about $200 total for a suit, shirt, vest, and a tie or two. This is of course me buying from JC Penny's, which only happens once a year or less. I really need two or three suits, but I only have one.

[Bro. Robbins]

I have much the same situation, although my best friend will go to almost any church service wearing jeans, boots, and a button down shirt. I have spoken to many people, some of whom (they are ladies) frown upon women wearing pants to church. This has made for many interesting conversations.

I also agree with you about thermostats vs thermometers. The problem has been this way for many years. Denominational and especially Mainline Christianity have become reflections of the culture. Thus they approve gay clergy after the culture celebrates the gay lifestyle in books, movies, and television. They have also turned wishy-washy on the issue of abortion, the inspiration of Scripture, and many other things. Then they want to tell us how we should dress and conduct ourselves in church lest we be seen as out of touch with the culture.


I do not look good barefoot, and you will find my feet wearing nothing shorter than a calf high sock unless in a great hurry (and even then the socks are likely to be applied in the car). I would never be caught making a call in a pair of sandals. However, if caught by an emergency, it would be expected that the first priority would be to get to the hospital.


$10 ties. I would like to know where you buy yours as I rarely pay less than $30 or so (sometimes). I generally only buy a new tie if I am buying an entirely new outfit. This generally means that I am spending about $200 total for a suit, shirt, vest, and a tie or two. This is of course me buying from JC Penny's, which only happens once a year or less. I really need two or three suits, but I only have one.

$10 ties... Goodwill and great sales at K&G. K&G (national chain) also has a buy one suit, get two free sale about 3 or 4 times a year. You'll pay for alterations, but still come out with a steal... and they are nice suits, stacey adams, perry ellis, etc.

[Jay]

$10 ties... Goodwill and great sales at K&G. K&G (national chain) also has a buy one suit, get two free sale about 3 or 4 times a year. You'll pay for alterations, but still come out with a steal... and they are nice suits, stacey adams, perry ellis, etc.


I do not know that I have ever heard of K&G do they have a website that I could find out more about them, their locations, and their products?

[Bro. Robbins]

I just really don't get this. Why wouldn't you want to be comfortable? Do you equate comfort with sin? I get the whole shirt and tie thing, and wanting to dress professionally, but you can do all of that and still be comfortable!

I keep going back to my original premise - based on the comments you make, it really seems that you are trying to punish yourself for something. You seem bent on self-flagellation, making yourself uncomfortable intentionally, I'm sorry, I just don't get it.

Nope, not punishment, just a totally different viewpoint than you. And that's okay. I don't believe we are put here to enjoy ourselves, be comfortable, have fun, etc. If those things get to be added on here and there, all well and good, but never, ever a high priority at all for me.

And it could be in how we define the word "comfortable". To me that means... feels good... and I suit and tie doesn't feel good to me... slacks and dress shoes do not feel good to me, but i understand that there are times that doing what is appropriate is much more important than comfort or feeling good.

The inference for me when I hear "comfortable" is no self control, whatever feels good, lack of professionalism, doing whatever I want, making my flesh feel good....etc. Giving control over to our senses and them making final decision.

This may not be what you mean when you say comfortable, so this could be a matter of not being on the same page.

[Bro. Robbins]

I do not know that I have ever heard of K&G do they have a website that I could find out more about them, their locations, and their products?

http://www.kgstores.com

[rgcraig]

Nope, not punishment, just a totally different viewpoint than you. And that's okay. I don't believe we are put here to enjoy ourselves, be comfortable, have fun, etc. If those things get to be added on here and there, all well and good, but never, ever a high priority at all for me.

And it could be in how we define the word "comfortable". To me that means... feels good... and I suit and tie doesn't feel good to me... slacks and dress shoes do not feel good to me, but i understand that there are times that doing what is appropriate is much more important than comfort or feeling good.

The inference for me when I hear "comfortable" is no self control, whatever feels good, lack of professionalism, doing whatever I want, making my flesh feel good....etc. Giving control over to our senses and them making final decision.

This may not be what you mean when you say comfortable, so this could be a matter of not being on the same page.

I think God feels differently about that!

[RandyWayne]

I think God feels differently about that!

Yup. Who else but God Himself could have thought of the Hawaiian shirt?

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/picture.php?albumid=225&pictureid=1237

[Jay]

Nope, not punishment, just a totally different viewpoint than you. And that's okay. I don't believe we are put here to enjoy ourselves, be comfortable, have fun, etc. If those things get to be added on here and there, all well and good, but never, ever a high priority at all for me.

And it could be in how we define the word "comfortable". To me that means... feels good... and I suit and tie doesn't feel good to me... slacks and dress shoes do not feel good to me, but i understand that there are times that doing what is appropriate is much more important than comfort or feeling good.

The inference for me when I hear "comfortable" is no self control, whatever feels good, lack of professionalism, doing whatever I want, making my flesh feel good....etc. Giving control over to our senses and them making final decision.

This may not be what you mean when you say comfortable, so this could be a matter of not being on the same page.


I agree with you in part, however, I am often comfortable being dressed up.


I think that you and I would have different meanings as to the word comfort or comfortable. Comfortable would be at ease* in a situation, which means that I am enjoying the clothes, the surrounding (as much as might be possible) and the conversation.



*at ease not being understood as laziness

http://www.kgstores.com

Thanks for the link. Sadly it would be more of a luxury for me to drive the nearly 130 miles to the nearest store. I guess that leaves me stuck with MW or JCP unless I happen to have the money to buy a suit and be in the area at the right time. With the limited traveling I do, that is unlikely. However, maybe they will open a store here closer to where I am some day.

[RandyWayne]

I think God feels differently about that!

And while this was perhaps one of the greatest days of my life, I was NOT comfortable in this suit at all. Gail had no issues though. :)

(Speaking of weddings, it is our 8th Anniversary today..... Can't hardly believe it!)

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/picture.php?albumid=10&pictureid=79

[Bro. Robbins]

I agree with you in part, however, I am often comfortable being dressed up.


I think that you and I would have different meanings as to the word comfort or comfortable. Comfortable would be at ease* in a situation, which means that I am enjoying the clothes, the surrounding (as much as might be possible) and the conversation.



*at ease not being understood as laziness



Thanks for the link. Sadly it would be more of a luxury for me to drive the nearly 130 miles to the nearest store. I guess that leaves me stuck with MW or JCP unless I happen to have the money to buy a suit and be in the area at the right time. With the limited traveling I do, that is unlikely. However, maybe they will open a store here closer to where I am some day.

You can order their stuff online brother and have altered there where you live. The prices are that good, sometimes there are even higher discounts for online ordering.

[Bro. Robbins]

I think God feels differently about that!

Not trying to argue... I promise I'm not... but based on what Scripture? I've found in the Scriptures where he wants us to have Abundant life, Joy Unspeakable, Peace, be content.... but have never seen where the Word admonishes us to enjoy ourselves, be comfortable, or have fun.

If it's there... I'll gladly embrace it, but I've never seen that in the word....

[AreYouReady?]

And while this was perhaps one of the greatest days of my life, I was NOT comfortable in this suit at all. Gail had no issues though. :)

(Speaking of weddings, it is our 8th Anniversary today..... Can't hardly believe it!)

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/picture.php?albumid=10&pictureid=79

Congrats Randy Wayne! You made it past the 7 year itch.

Taking her out for a nice dinner tonight?

[rgcraig]

And while this was perhaps one of the greatest days of my life, I was NOT comfortable in this suit at all. Gail had no issues though. :)

(Speaking of weddings, it is our 8th Anniversary today..... Can't hardly believe it!)

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/picture.php?albumid=10&pictureid=79

Happy Anniversary!!!!

[RandyWayne]

Congrats Randy Wayne! You made it past the 7 year itch.

Taking her out for a nice dinner tonight?

Actually, I am! Food so good, that it is no doubt a sin to eat it. :)

I have heard that the 7 year milestone is a pretty big one before. Although I shocked some people a few days after our wedding when they jokingly asked "So how is married life treating ya? Ha ha!" to which I answered with a plain face "Well, it has its ups and downs but in the end all you can do is try to not go to bed angry....". I must have been pretty convincing based on the reactions I got to that. LOL

[Jay]

Happy Anniversary!!

[RandyWayne]

.....and as can be seen in the pic, I DID wear a suit to my wedding -and it was uncomfortable! BroR would be proud. :) (But perhaps not so much if he knew about the fun we had that night!)

[Bro. Robbins]

.....and as can be seen in the pic, I DID wear a suit to my wedding -and it was uncomfortable! BroR would be proud. :) (But perhaps not so much if he knew about the fun we had that night!)

I'm assuming you must mean at the reception, as the marriage bed is undefiled.

[RandyWayne]

I'm assuming you must mean at the reception, as the marriage bed is undefiled.

I have to say something....

I have to....!

No, it would be just too much of a tangent, even for me.... LOL



OK, just this.... Who said anything about a "bed"?

[Bro. Robbins]

I have to say something....

I have to....!

No, it would be just too much of a tangent, even for me.... LOL



OK, just this.... Who said anything about a "bed"?

It's figurative... would think anyone could see that. But you'd much rather take part in juvenile humor than have a serious conversation, and would much rather make jabs at me for the sake of getting laughs instead of show the same respect to me that I've shown to you.

[rgcraig]

I'm assuming you must mean at the reception, as the marriage bed is undefiled.

So, let me get this straight..... you are saying because the marriage bed is undefiled means you aren't suppose to have fun (in bed)?

[Bro. Robbins]

So, let me get this straight..... you are saying because the marriage bed is undefiled means you aren't suppose to have fun (in bed)?

HUH?

[rgcraig]

HUH?

Oh, thank goodness! I thought that's what you were saying back to Randy.

[RandyWayne]

It's figurative... would think anyone could see that. But you'd much rather take part in juvenile humor than have a serious conversation, and would much rather make jabs at me for the sake of getting laughs instead of show the same respect to me that I've shown to you.


Not so much jabs as "tweaks". I'm trying to get YOU to laugh, or even smile, at something -anything. But I suppose humor falls into the category of "pleasure", which is obviously something WE are to have no part in.

[rgcraig]

.....and as can be seen in the pic, I DID wear a suit to my wedding -and it was uncomfortable! BroR would be proud. :) (But perhaps not so much if he knew about the fun we had that night!)

I'm assuming you must mean at the reception, as the marriage bed is undefiled.

The way these two posts read could be very confusing.

[Bro. Robbins]

Oh, thank goodness! I thought that's what you were saying back to Randy.

Still not understanding... but okay.

And by the way... never said that your not supposed to have fun... I said were weren't put here to have fun... it's an extremely low priority... and absolutely not something to strive for or a guarantee.

[RandyWayne]

Oh, thank goodness! I thought that's what you were saying back to Randy.

I was going to say something myself but that would have hijacked the thread just a little too much. LOL

[rgcraig]

I was going to say something myself but that would have hijacked the thread just a little too much. LOL

Well, I'm still not sure what he meant if it wasn't what I thought he meant. LOL!

[RandyWayne]

Well, I'm still not sure what he meant if it wasn't what I thought he meant. LOL!

If you thought he meant what I think he meant then there is no mentioning what we both meant when we thought we knew what he meant......

[Bro. Robbins]

Not so much jabs as "tweaks". I'm trying to get YOU to laugh, or even smile, at something -anything. But I suppose humor falls into the category of "pleasure", which is obviously something WE are to have no part in.

Once again... words are being placed in my mouth. I never said we're not supposed to have any part in pleasure. You should either show that quote, or apologize, because if i didn't saying it your presenting a false witness of what I've said.

Secondly, that may be your intent, but it's not taken that way. Your being quite overly familiar, because if you knew me very well, you would know I don't enjoy that type of humor. It's humor at one's expense, which frankly doesn't build someone up or edify them. If your INTENT truly was to make me SMILE, then wouldn't you need to know me well enough first to even know what things do make me smile? Off color, filth like that little joke would never make me smile... especially if coming from someone on a Christian discussion board.

[Michael Phelps]

Yup. Who else but God Himself could have thought of the Hawaiian shirt?

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/picture.php?albumid=225&pictureid=1237

Dude, is that Ben Affleck in that picture????

[houston]

dirty old people

[rgcraig]

If you thought he meant what I think he meant then there is no mentioning what we both meant when we thought we knew what he meant......

Exactly! :heeheehee

But, if he didn't mean what we thought he meant - - what does he think he meant?

[rgcraig]

Dude, is that Ben Affleck in that picture????

OMW - - it does look like him!

[rgcraig]

dirty old people

Who's old?

[RandyWayne]

Dude, is that Ben Affleck in that picture????

Don't make me puke! LOL

(Although I could use about 10% of his bank account.... That and my wife is much prettier!)

[RandyWayne]

Who's old?

I am.

:foottap

[RandyWayne]

Once again... words are being placed in my mouth. I never said we're not supposed to have any part in pleasure. You should either show that quote, or apologize, because if i didn't saying it your presenting a false witness of what I've said.

Secondly, that may be your intent, but it's not taken that way. Your being quite overly familiar, because if you knew me very well, you would know I don't enjoy that type of humor. It's humor at one's expense, which frankly doesn't build someone up or edify them. If your INTENT truly was to make me SMILE, then wouldn't you need to know me well enough first to even know what things do make me smile? Off color, filth like that little joke would never make me smile... especially if coming from someone on a Christian discussion board.

So in other words you laugh at stuff like old joked from Uncle Barney's Book of Puns.

And no, I obviously don't know you but think I have you pretty well figured out (without knowing the DETAILS like a minister with the gift of 'knowledge' may know).

[houston]

Who's old?

You, baby. Aging gracefully.

[RandyWayne]

You, baby. Aging gracefully.

I thought Timmy was older than ALL of us. He's 16 after all. I'm only 3.

[RandyWayne]

Speaking of anniversaries and going out for them, this is what I'll be wearing tonight (really!). Granted I won't have the guns -ok, maybe the small side arm on my right side (the Ruger P95 9mm), but I will be wearing this shirt (Hawaiian!) and shorts. It IS in the mid 90's here in Arizona.....

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/picture.php?albumid=225&pictureid=1267

[rgcraig]

You, baby. Aging gracefully.

With age is wisdom and experience!!

[Cindy]

And while this was perhaps one of the greatest days of my life, I was NOT comfortable in this suit at all. Gail had no issues though. :)

(Speaking of weddings, it is our 8th Anniversary today..... Can't hardly believe it!)

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/picture.php?albumid=10&pictureid=79

Happy Anniversary, Gail and Randy. Dance the night away. :happydance

[RandyWayne]

Happy Anniversary, Gail and Randy. Dance the night away. :happydance

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w113/RandyWayneD/Animated%20GIFs/61389ogwx7cgdsl.gif

[Cindy]

It's figurative... would think anyone could see that. But you'd much rather take part in juvenile humor than have a serious conversation, and would much rather make jabs at me for the sake of getting laughs instead of show the same respect to me that I've shown to you.

Good grief.

[Cindy]

Speaking of anniversaries and going out for them, this is what I'll be wearing tonight (really!). Granted I won't have the guns -ok, maybe the small side arm on my right side (the Ruger P95 9mm), but I will be wearing this shirt (Hawaiian!) and shorts. It IS in the mid 90's here in Arizona.....

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/picture.php?albumid=225&pictureid=1267

Shave your legs! Never thought I would say that to a guy.:heeheehee I'm so funny, I crack myself up.

[Timmy]

Happy Anniversary, Gail and Randy. Dance the night away. :happydance

http://humour101.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Js6Wke1fPkpl1wkrl1frSEhwo1_250.gif

[Timmy]

BTW, h.a. ;)

[Cindy]

http://humour101.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Js6Wke1fPkpl1wkrl1frSEhwo1_250.gif

I loved Elaine, she made the show. That is one wild dance.

[Jay]

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w113/RandyWayneD/Animated%20GIFs/61389ogwx7cgdsl.gif

http://humour101.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Js6Wke1fPkpl1wkrl1frSEhwo1_250.gif




None of that!! This is an Apostolic forum, and we do not do that around here! :foottap :smack

[Cindy]

None of that!! This is an Apostolic forum, and we do not do that around here! :foottap :smack

:happydance :shockamoo :dancing :happydance

[RandyWayne]

:happydance :shockamoo :dancing :happydance

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w113/RandyWayneD/Animated%20GIFs/crazy_fat_kid.gif

[houston]

http://humour101.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Js6Wke1fPkpl1wkrl1frSEhwo1_250.gif

Didn't know that Elaine was pentecostal... learn something new everyday!

[houston]

With age is wisdom and experience!!

Mhmm. Drink your coffee, dear.

[Sam]

None of that!! This is an Apostolic forum, and we do not do that around here! :foottap :smack

Ecclesiastes 3:4 says that there is "a time to dance."

And Psalms 149:3 and 150:4 exhort to praise the Lord in the dance.

[AreYouReady?]

Didn't King David dance before the Lord too?

[RandyWayne]

Didn't King David dance before the Lord too?

Shhhhhhh! Jesus also made WINE! LOL

[deacon blues]

Once again... words are being placed in my mouth. I never said we're not supposed to have any part in pleasure. You should either show that quote, or apologize, because if i didn't saying it your presenting a false witness of what I've said.

Secondly, that may be your intent, but it's not taken that way. Your being quite overly familiar, because if you knew me very well, you would know I don't enjoy that type of humor. It's humor at one's expense, which frankly doesn't build someone up or edify them. If your INTENT truly was to make me SMILE, then wouldn't you need to know me well enough first to even know what things do make me smile? Off color, filth like that little joke would never make me smile... especially if coming from someone on a Christian discussion board.

Good grief...

[bbyrd009]

Ecclesiastes 3:4 says that there is "a time to dance."

And Psalms 149:3 and 150:4 exhort to praise the Lord in the dance.

Yup, that was tasteless.

Um, incidentally, Randy (uh, or Houston; then everyone else, in that order), I'm (searching for the ultimate Kirk phrase, four single words each separated by a comma, that still makes sense--for one thing) missing my fave dance clip of all time, Beavis and Butthead doing the bent-waisted booty-waggle. I've looked everywhere. Paying a bounty... :wink

[deacon blues]

Good grief.

Great minds think alike...

[bbyrd009]

Not so much jabs as "tweaks". I'm trying to get YOU to laugh, or even smile, at something -anything. But I suppose humor falls into the category of "pleasure", which is obviously something WE are to have no part in.

Oh, man, THAT'S IT. I totally forgot the Tweaker!
Any chance I could interest you in a little thread? :wink :wink

[Cindy]

Great minds think alike...

:thumbsup

[Margies3]

Speaking of anniversaries and going out for them, this is what I'll be wearing tonight (really!). Granted I won't have the guns -ok, maybe the small side arm on my right side (the Ruger P95 9mm), but I will be wearing this shirt (Hawaiian!) and shorts. It IS in the mid 90's here in Arizona.....

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/picture.php?albumid=225&pictureid=1267

Shave your legs! Never thought I would say that to a guy.:heeheehee I'm so funny, I crack myself up.

Cindy, when I first looked at this photo, I thought how strange Randy's legs had been shaved. Like partly shaved, but not completely? like his knees were shaved but he left big hunks of fur all around the knees, know what I mean?

Randy, listen, if you need lessons in how to shave your legs correctly, I'm thinking that Gayle could probably help you with that. If not, message Cindy. She'll fill you in.

LOL :heeheehee:heeheehee:heeheehee

[bbyrd009]

Wow. Girls pay attention to the most pointless stuff, sometimes.
And obv, He should get coordinating shin tattoos, hello-
-he's a guy.

[Sam]

I remember years ago when I was in the hospital for surgery and a nurse came in to help me bathe. She asked me if I shaved my legs when she noticed the absence of hair from the knees down. I think it was just worn off from the socks and the pants legs.

[AreYouReady?]

Cindy, when I first looked at this photo, I thought how strange Randy's legs had been shaved. Like partly shaved, but not completely? like his knees were shaved but he left big hunks of fur all around the knees, know what I mean?

Randy, listen, if you need lessons in how to shave your legs correctly, I'm thinking that Gayle could probably help you with that. If not, message Cindy. She'll fill you in.

LOL :heeheehee:heeheehee:heeheehee

Randy could go all fashion styling on us...braiding, permanent, highlights or color....the list is endless... or he could just wax his legs and be done with it :heeheehee

Randy, if you never waxed your legs...you're in for a surprise! :heeheehee

[AreYouReady?]

Wow. Girls pay attention to the most pointless stuff, sometimes.
And obv, He should get coordinating shin tattoos, hello-
-he's a guy.

Pointless?

If you guys saw hair like that on a woman's legs, you wouldn't think it was pointless. :heeheehee

[AreYouReady?]

Eh....for the record, my husband would never let me shave his legs.

[bbyrd009]

I'm assuming you must mean at the reception, as the marriage bed is undefiled.

Ok, Bro. Robbins; if you want my opinion, which you shouldn't and prolly don't,
but that's why I come here, because everyone else mostly has me on "ignore,"
this was inserted at a light moment, and reads as if from the church lady, so to speak.
If there was a point here, it was missed, truly. We love you.

[bbyrd009]

Um plus, you represent a valid opinion, and I would like to get you to see the sense in which any replies to any posts you make are irrelevant. Not meaning that the replies are irrelevant in every sense, certainly, but that your pov is read by others with similar or diff pov's, and that any reply, just like any post, will stand or fall on its own.

Does that make sense?
Please see the opportunity contained in this.

[bbyrd009]

Pointless?

If you guys saw hair like that on a woman's legs, you wouldn't think it was pointless. :heeheehee

Well, but please--we have an excellent double standard
for this, and it has worked fabulously (for men)
for thousands of years? Why change now?

Plus, i detect that you are just razzing R about
shaving his legs so that you can then razz him
about shaving his legs.

This is how women get over on the double standard.

[AreYouReady?]

Yeah. You men can't win can ya?

Besides, it's fun to razz Randy. He takes it so well. :heeheehee

[RandyWayne]

Randy could go all fashion styling on us...braiding, permanent, highlights or color....the list is endless... or he could just wax his legs and be done with it :heeheehee

Randy, if you never waxed your legs...you're in for a surprise! :heeheehee

Show me how to do it girls!


Lets get down!


:happydance


(Actually, I have VERY little hair on my legs beneath my knees. Don't know why. I just don't.)

[RandyWayne]

Yup, that was tasteless.

Um, incidentally, Randy (uh, or Houston; then everyone else, in that order), I'm (searching for the ultimate Kirk phrase, four single words each separated by a comma, that still makes sense--for one thing) missing my fave dance clip of all time, Beavis and Butthead doing the bent-waisted booty-waggle. I've looked everywhere. Paying a bounty... :wink

It can be, quite fun, to talk like, Jim Kirk!

[RandyWayne]

Yeah. You men can't win can ya?

Besides, it's fun to razz Randy. He takes it so well. :heeheehee

Little do you know how I cry myself to sleep at night. :(




JK!

[houston]

Good grief...

Hold him down so I can funnel whiskey down his throat.

[houston]

Yup, that was tasteless.

Um, incidentally, Randy (uh, or Houston; then everyone else, in that order)

what did I do?

[Michael Phelps]

Hold him down so I can funnel whiskey down his throat.

Trust me, if you're going to do that, I don't think anyone needs to hold him down! Maybe hold him BACK!:happydance

[bbyrd009]

Yeah. You men can't win can ya?

Actually we scored big @ "equal rights," imo.
Women had it all, and gave away half!

[bbyrd009]

what did I do?
Um, I thot you were Randy, @ "Elaine," and it
minded me of the B&B dance that to this day
I can't understand how it became lost--
I didn't delete it!

And having trouble finding now.
I've seen all the others, but they just are not
the bent-waisted booty waggle. Actually, that
is Butthead's move, Beavis is just a place holder there.
If you ever run across it...ty.

[Timmy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghCTZF61ey0

[rgcraig]

.....and as can be seen in the pic, I DID wear a suit to my wedding -and it was uncomfortable! BroR would be proud. :) (But perhaps not so much if he knew about the fun we had that night!)

I'm assuming you must mean at the reception, as the marriage bed is undefiled.

Bro. Robbins,

What DID you mean by this?

[Bro. Robbins]

Bro. Robbins,

What DID you mean by this?

He said there was something they did that night that I wouldn't be proud of. Even the prude I am realizes the marriage bed is undefiled. Therefore, the things that must have been done that I wouldn't be proud of must have been done at the reception, like love songs/secular music being played, or alcohol being served, or someone dancing...

[rgcraig]

He said there was something they did that night that I wouldn't be proud of. Even the prude I am realizes the marriage bed is undefiled. Therefore, the things that must have been done that I wouldn't be proud of must have been done at the reception, like love songs/secular music being played, or alcohol being served, or someone dancing...


I was focusing on the "fun" part of that post so that's why I got sidetracked.

[AreYouReady?]

Actually we scored big @ "equal rights," imo.
Women had it all, and gave away half!

You got that right! But only because of social engineering.

[Jay]

Actually we scored big @ "equal rights," imo.
Women had it all, and gave away half!


That is the truth. However, there are still some ladies who wish and enjoy having it all, and they do not want to see it thrown away entirely. Lucky is the man who receives one.


He said there was something they did that night that I wouldn't be proud of. Even the prude I am realizes the marriage bed is undefiled. Therefore, the things that must have been done that I wouldn't be proud of must have been done at the reception, like love songs/secular music being played, or alcohol being served, or someone dancing...


I was considering the word fun in the post to be the opperative word. I thought that he was teasing you using the word fun as a euphemism.

[RandyWayne]

He said there was something they did that night that I wouldn't be proud of. Even the prude I am realizes the marriage bed is undefiled. Therefore, the things that must have been done that I wouldn't be proud of must have been done at the reception, like love songs/secular music being played, or alcohol being served, or someone dancing...

LOL

I can honestly say that I don't think there was any dancing. But our main wedding song was the love theme from the movie Krull as the wedding party entered the chapel followed by the theme from the Mask of Zorro. The reception was at the Rainforest Cafe just a short walk across the casino floor. There were several "undefiled" hours in our hotel room at the MGM Grand (where the wedding was) and as I recall there were plenty of Mai ties and a few hours at the blackjack table at about 3 am. :) I can't imagine a better wedding and wedding night!

The night before our wedding.
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w113/RandyWayneD/Wedding%20Pics/NightBefore1.jpg

Just got our marriage certificate -at 11:30 at night! (Not signed yet, but we had it in our grubby little hands.)
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w113/RandyWayneD/Wedding%20Pics/Courthouse.jpg

Now everything is legal!
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w113/RandyWayneD/Wedding%20Pics/Wedding09.jpg

[commonsense]

I grew up in the era of expected dressing up for church and as a rule people just dressed up for all activities other than sports.

If you look at photos from football and baseball games in the 20's or 30's , even at such a "causal" event the men had on suits and the ever present hat.

I am not locked into "suits only" for church now......different times :nod

I support the dressing with respect for church or a funeral, but nice causal slacks and shirt would qualify.
"Cleanliness is next to godliness".....often quoted and obviously NOT scripture, but good words to live by :heeheehee

[Cindy]

I might wear a suit, but not a tie. I love wearing hats though!!

[commonsense]

I work in specialized sales in a retail facility and it is amazing what people wear in public.................

The casual lounge pants......look like pj bottoms, are worn ALL the time, often with slippers :foottap and a pj type shirt. { men, woman,teens....}

In hot weather, shorts and some rather skimpy tops to say the least. Nothing against shorts or sundresses etc, but maybe a look in the mirror before going our the door.

We live in a very casual world.........even for church and weddings.

[Cindy]

I work in specialized sales in a retail facility and it is amazing what people wear in public.................

The casual lounge pants......look like pj bottoms, are worn ALL the time, often with slippers :foottap and a pj type shirt. { men, woman,teens....}

In hot weather, shorts and some rather skimpy tops to say the least. Nothing against shorts or sundresses etc, but maybe a look in the mirror before going our the door.

We live in a very casual world.........even for church and weddings.

You're right, one of our dollar stores had a come in your pj's sale. Stayed open until 11 instead of the usual 8.