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I wasn't sure where to post this. I found an Eschatology subject in the Debate Section but I don't want to make this a debate.
I realize we have several different opinions among us about things like the rapure; pre-, mid-, and post-trib, the Antichrist, etc.
This past Wednesday night I taught the midweek Bible Study. I taught on Psalm 2 and Daniel 2. I personally believe in pre-trib and that an individual known as "the lawless one," or "the man of sin," or "the Antichrist" will arise after the rapture so of course I taught it that way. I acknowledged that this was my opinion and that Christians have varying views on it.
There was brief discussion on the number 666 and how this might identify the Antichrist. I mentioned 3 different views:
1. At one time Bro. S.G. Norris taught that Benito Mussolini was the antichrist. Of course he was not still teaching that when I attended his Bible School in 1956/1957. A chant given to and received by Mussolini was "VV IL DVCE." If we take the numerical value of those letters in Latin numbers we have:
V = 5
V = 5
I = 1
L = 50
D = 500
V = 5
C = 100
E = no value
total = 666
After attending ABI in 1956/1957 I moved to the Cincinnati area and attended the First Apostolic Church where Bro. Frank E. Curts was pastor. He and Bro. Norris had a history that went way back to the church in Columbus, OH and to the old PAJC. He told me chuckling that he had told Bro. Norris, "Well, they just dragged out your Antichrist and strung him up," to which Bro. Norris replied, "I wish I had that tract back."
The Antichrist (if there really is an individual antichrist) has been identified over the years as:
Nero
FDR
Hitler
Prince Charles
Henry Kissinger
Barack Obama and many others.
A common teaching is that the pope and the papacy is the antichrist because of the Latin title of the Pope, Vicarius Filii Dei, Vicar of the Son of God. If this is written out using the Latin form and assigning the Latin value to the numbers which have a Latin value we have:
V = 5
I = 1
C = 100
A = no value
R = no value
I = 1
V = 5
S = no value
F = no value
I = 1
L = 50
I = 1
I = 1
D = 500
E = no value
I = 1
total = 666
I also mentioned a more recent person who has been identified as the Antichrist. He is known as Cute Purple Dinosaur. If we follow the same logic and use the Latin numbers and their values we get:
C = 100
V = 5
T = no value
E = no value
P = no value
V = 5
R = no value
P = no value
L = 50
E = no value
D = 500
I = 1
N = no value
O = no value
S = no value
A = no value
V = 5
R = no value
total = 666
scotty
05-04-2012, 04:14 PM
I also mentioned a more recent person who has been identified as the Antichrist. He is known as Cute Purple Dinosaur. If we follow the same logic and use the Latin numbers and their values we get:
C = 100
V = 5
T = no value
E = no value
P = no value
V = 5
R = no value
P = no value
L = 50
E = no value
D = 500
I = 1
N = no value
O = no value
S = no value
A = no value
V = 5
R = no value
total = 666
Nope, he got took out in the other thread. :heeheehee
Michael The Disciple
05-04-2012, 04:22 PM
An antichrist is one who denies Jesus is the Christ. If we define "the Christ" by Isaiah 9:6 today it would fit all Churches who deny the Oneness message.
The "beast" of Revelation who forces all to worship himself seems to be a great warrior king according to Daniel 11. He will cause millions of people to be put to death. Worship him or die.
Satan will be on the Earth working with this man to deceive and intimidate entire nations. He will be the most sinister man who ever lived. He may be alive somewhere today.
If he comes to power in our lifetime we must stand ready to refuse his mark and bow down only to Yeshua the great God and our Savior. The beast is given power to overcome (by killing them) the saints for 42 months.
Their crime will be the testimony of Jesus and keeping his word.
Michael The Disciple
05-04-2012, 05:49 PM
The Earth will be transformed into a planet of devil worshippers.
Rev. 13:4-9
13:4 They worshiped the dragon, because he gave his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?” 13:5 A mouth speaking great things and blasphemy was given to him. Authority to make war for forty-two months was given to him. 13:6 He opened his mouth for blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his dwelling, those who dwell in heaven. 13:7 It was given to him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them. Authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation was given to him. 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been killed. 13:9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear.
Hoovie
05-04-2012, 06:58 PM
Is this like pin the tail on the Donkey?!?
Michael The Disciple
05-04-2012, 07:19 PM
The Evil King Daniel 11
11:36 The king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods; and he shall prosper until the indignation be accomplished; for that which is determined shall be done. 11:37 Neither shall he regard the gods of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall magnify himself above all. Dan. 11:36-37
Paul sees the same thing.
2:1 Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to him, we ask you 2:2 not to be quickly shaken in your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as from us, saying that the day of Christ had come. 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction, 2:4 he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God. 2:5 Don’t you remember that, when I was still with you, I told you these things? 2 Thess. 2:1-5
Michael The Disciple
05-04-2012, 07:42 PM
When you see these things happening:
14:9 Another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a great voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead, or on his hand, 14:10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared unmixed in the cup of his anger. He will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb. 14:11 The smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. They have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name. 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” Rev. 14:9-12
You will know the anti christ/beast/man of sin has come.
houston
05-04-2012, 09:54 PM
Nero.
NEXT..!
bbyrd009
05-05-2012, 09:10 AM
When you see these things happening:
14:9 Another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a great voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead, or on his hand, 14:10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared unmixed in the cup of his anger. He will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb. 14:11 The smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. They have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name. 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” Rev. 14:9-12
You will know the anti christ/beast/man of sin has come.
Well then, let me witness something I saw yesterday; it's bolded.
bbyrd009
05-05-2012, 09:11 AM
Nope, he got took out in the other thread. :heeheehee
Cute purple dinosaur? Barney? What?
bbyrd009
05-05-2012, 09:15 AM
An antichrist is one who denies Jesus is the Christ. If we define "the Christ" by Isaiah 9:6 today it would fit all Churches who deny the Oneness message.
The "beast" of Revelation who forces all to worship himself seems to be a great warrior king according to Daniel 11. He will cause millions of people to be put to death. Worship him or die.
Satan will be on the Earth working with this man to deceive and intimidate entire nations. He will be the most sinister man who ever lived. He may be alive somewhere today.
If he comes to power in our lifetime we must stand ready to refuse his mark and bow down only to Yeshua the great God and our Savior. The beast is given power to overcome (by killing them) the saints for 42 months.
Their crime will be the testimony of Jesus and keeping his word.
This post seems to indicate that...when all that happens, it will be obvious
to everyone, like, pardon me here, please get what I mean and not what I say, like it will be on Fox news that night? Um, @ "will be." You admit that it might be here right now, once, but this is mostly referred to (by you) as being in tomorrow. Possibly with good reason. Ty
bbyrd009
05-05-2012, 09:17 AM
"The "beast" of Revelation who forces all to worship himself seems to be a great warrior king according to Daniel 11. He will cause millions of people to be put to death. Worship him or die."
A pretty good description of "the American dream?"
or, "the triumph of Capitalism?" same diff.
what's your judgement of their fruit right now?
trust that these are the good old days.
(that's the 2nd "you(r)" there, MTD)
AreYouReady?
05-05-2012, 01:56 PM
I have a different take on the Antichrist.
I think the Antichrist is a group of people banded together to make one, hence they all share in the power until that one thing shows up for them to give all their power to. Perhaps they will use an economic system that they are currently building to control all the rest of us. Soon they will roll out ace in the hole tracker system to make people pledge allegiance to the antichrist or they will not be able to enter into the new world order.
Here are some quotes by some people who have been made famous in the news media.
"Today, America would be outraged if UN troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond [i.e., an "extraterrestrial" invasion], whether real or promulgated that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."
Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberg Conference, Evian, France, 1991
"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto determination practiced in past centuries."
David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.
"The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies [marxism/fascism, socialism, capitalism, etc.] to enable them [the Illuminati] to divide larger and larger portions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other."
Myron Fagan
"No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation."
David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations
"In March, 1915, the J.P. Morgan interests, the steel, shipbuilding, and powder interest, and their subsidiary organizations, got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press...They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest papers.
"An agreement was reached; the policy of the papers was bought, to be paid for by the month; an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information regarding the questions of preparedness, militarism, financial policies, and other things of national and international nature considered vital to the interests of the purchasers."
U.S. Congressman Oscar Callaway, 1917
"The world can therefore seize the opportunity (Persian Gulf crisis) to fulfill the long-held promise of a New World Order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind."
George Herbert Walker Bush
AreYouReady?
05-05-2012, 01:59 PM
More quotes:
"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn’t such a great idea after all."
Strobe Talbot, Clinton’s Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.
"We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent."
Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, l950
"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."
Benjamin Disraeli, first Prime Minister of England, in a novel he published in 1844 called Coningsby, the New Generation.
"The governments of the present day have to deal not merely with other governments, with emperors, kings and ministers, but also with the secret societies which have everywhere their unscrupulous agents, and can at the last moment upset all the governments’ plans.
British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli (who was very close to the Rothschilds), 1876
"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."
Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom (1913)
"The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen.... At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties."
New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922
"From the days of Sparticus Weishaupt, Karl Marx, Trotsky, Rosa Luxemberg, and Emma Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
Winston Churchill, stated to the London Press, in l922.
"We are at present working discreetly with all our might to wrest this mysterious force called sovereignty out of the clutches of the local nation states of the world."
Professor Arnold Toynbee, in a June l931 speech before the Institute for the Study of International Affairs in Copenhagen.
"The government of the Western nations, whether monarchical or republican, had passed into the invisible hands of a plutocracy, international in power and grasp. It was, I venture to suggest, this semi-occult power which.... pushed the mass of the American people into the cauldron of World War I."
British military historian Major General J.F.C. Fuller, l941
"For a long time I felt that FDR had developed many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit this country, the United States. But, he didn’t.
Most of his thoughts, his political ammunition, as it were, were carefully manufactured for him in advanced by the Council on Foreign Relations-One World Money group. Brilliantly, with great gusto, like a fine piece of artillery, he exploded that prepared "ammunition" in the middle of an unsuspecting target, the American people, and thus paid off and returned his internationalist political support.
The UN is but a long-range, international banking apparatus clearly set up for financial and economic profit by a small group of powerful One-World revolutionaries, hungry for profit and power.
The depression was the calculated ’shearing’ of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market...The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank."
Curtis Dall, FDR’s son-in-law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law
"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson."
A letter written by FDR to Colonel House, November 21st, l933
"The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes."
Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952
AreYouReady?
05-05-2012, 02:03 PM
There are more quotes, but for later. Doesn't anybody consider it quite strange that world leaders have been telling the people for a century what they intended to do and the people just do not pay attention?
Aquila
05-07-2012, 06:21 AM
Al Mahdi.
Dordrecht
05-07-2012, 08:11 AM
My quote:
The antichrist will be a Jew from Syria. :nod
Dordrecht
05-07-2012, 08:14 AM
There are more quotes, but for later. Doesn't anybody consider it quite strange that world leaders have been telling the people for a century what they intended to do and the people just do not pay attention?
God has been telling people also what He is going to do and people pay no attention! :foottap
bbyrd009
05-07-2012, 11:50 AM
God has been telling people also what He is going to do and people pay no attention! :foottap
Well, some people, maybe, maybe even most people.
"See before You all these kingdoms; they are mine, to do with as I will..."
I think if one just considers that in light of
"God backs away, so that a believer may enlarge,"
which I may have made up, a clearer picture of...
Armageddon, we'll say, emerges?
AreYouReady?
05-07-2012, 01:36 PM
God has been telling people also what He is going to do and people pay no attention! :foottap
Sure and it seems that the elite are the only ones paying attention and telling people what they are going to do. Nobody stops them or heeds the Biblical advise of II Chronicles 7:14.
If we would heed II Chronicles 7:14, they would not stand a chance to destroy more of God's creation.
Instead....we argue and fight over ....hair.. and other silly things...pffft! :foottap
forgivenson
05-07-2012, 03:12 PM
I think the anti-christ can be 'many' things.....the 'scariest' of which are 'those' who believe they 'are' of Christ....but have strange doctrines of things 'other-than' Christ. Most often these people think they are 'right' and cannot 'see' what they do. Jesus said that there will be some who will kill christians and think they are doing God a service....doing His will.
Dordrecht
05-07-2012, 09:07 PM
Instead....we argue and fight over ....hair.. and other silly things...pffft!
Hair??
What about it?
:heeheehee
AreYouReady?
05-07-2012, 09:11 PM
Heh. Yeah. Ok. :heeheehee
houston
05-07-2012, 11:35 PM
God winked at their ignorance once. With so many resources available today, there is no excuse for ignorance.
houston
05-07-2012, 11:37 PM
Excuse my ignorance. That was supposed to post in the HMH thread. LM.O
Dordrecht
05-08-2012, 09:51 AM
With so many resources available today, there is no excuse for ignorance.
What are you referring to, Houston?
God winked at their ignorance once. With so many resources available today, there is no excuse for ignorance.
so what is the ignorance at which God winked?
HMH?
uncut haIr?
absolute blind and unquestioning obedience to the pastor/vicar of Christ?
or something else?
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