So Sexy Isn't Offensive?

[Bro. Robbins]

In my office we have a unique blend of folks. Many different departments share this floor, as we are part of a University and Medical Center of over 23,000 employees.

We do have a dress code, but in an organization this large, policing and enforcement is quite difficult if a supervisor or manager chooses to look the other way.

There are many times I am offended by what others wear... men and women... and I overlook it. But while getting coffee this morning, I just couldn't look past what I saw. A sheer blouse that was almost see through. With dress shorts, that were the length of hot pants.... top of the thigh. And they were somewhat baggy, so that when the young lady sits down, the whole world is her gynecologist.

I approached her supervisor (which is what we are told to do in cases like this) and mentioned that the employee's outfit was offensive. Her response was, "I don't see what's offensive. It's sexy, but not offensive."

I was in shock... I said, "Sexy is Offensive!!!!". But even beyond that, the work place is no place for sexy. I provided a copy of the dress code in black and white and said, no matter your opinion or mine, this is a violation of the rules.

But I couldn't believe my ears.... so people don't think sexy is offensive anymore????? I was raised that "sexy" is for private.... not public.

[RandyWayne]

I find "sexy", in public, to be far more distracting that necessarily offensive. Besides, what is considered "sexy" and what is not is one of the most subjective areas a person can have an opinion on, bar none.

As I think about this more..... Once something does cross the line from distracting to offensive, it is no longer "sexy" anyways. Often it becomes laughable as I think of all of the "people of walmart" photos I have seen.

[rgcraig]

It's just stupid to dress like that for work. Her manager should be held accountable.

I agree with Randy, at that point, it's no longer sexy, but inappropriate for business dress (even casual Friday).

[Nitehawk013]

It really all depends on who is wearing the outfit. I mean does she look like Jennifer Aniston or Betty White? If she looks like Jennifer Aniston or such then I wouldn't say it was necessarily offensive, but if she wa slike Betty White, or if she was a really really large woman...then it would be offensive.

;) LOL.

[Cindy]

It really all depends on who is wearing the outfit. I mean does she look like Jennifer Aniston or Betty White? If she looks like Jennifer Aniston or such then I wouldn't say it was necessarily offensive, but if she wa slike Betty White, or if she was a really really large woman...then it would be offensive.

;) LOL.

:thumbsdown

[crakjak]

It really all depends on who is wearing the outfit. I mean does she look like Jennifer Aniston or Betty White? If she looks like Jennifer Aniston or such then I wouldn't say it was necessarily offensive, but if she wa slike Betty White, or if she was a really really large woman...then it would be offensive.

;) LOL.

You must be a man? So, if it really is sexy, it is not offensive, it is eye candy???

[Bro. Robbins]

It really all depends on who is wearing the outfit. I mean does she look like Jennifer Aniston or Betty White? If she looks like Jennifer Aniston or such then I wouldn't say it was necessarily offensive, but if she wa slike Betty White, or if she was a really really large woman...then it would be offensive.

;) LOL.

And though you might have meant that in jest.... it is this very attitude in our society...even by church people that shows how far we have strayed from modesty. Doesn't matter how hot or not she is... when someone is attempting to be sexy in their public dress, it is offensive to me.... and the fact that some think dressy "sexy" for work... no matter what you look like is absolutely amazing.

We've become way too casual in our society, and lost modesty. Just the fact that you think even saying that in jest.... is a sad indication just how casual we've become in this world..... to our detriment.

[Amanah]

Sounds like she was being "sexy" in the revolting way that a hooker might be considered by some to be "sexy;" and while it might be initially distracting for someone of the male gender, hopefully a HG filled man might find it inappropriate and certainly incompatible for office attire.

[rgcraig]

Sounds like she was being "sexy" in the revolting way that a hooker might be considered by some to be "sexy;" and while it might be initially distracting for someone of the male gender, hopefully a HG filled man might find it inappropriate and certainly incompatible for office attire.

It's inappropriate by the dress code whether they are filled with the HG or not.

[RandyWayne]

Sounds like she was being "sexy" in the revolting way that a hooker might be considered by some to be "sexy;" and while it might be initially distracting for someone of the male gender, hopefully a HG filled man might find it inappropriate and certainly incompatible for office attire.

Maybe, but again to me once "sexy" crosses a line toward being "offensive" it is no longer sexy. So I would never use those two words to describe the same person at the same time.

And God DID grant some people assets above and beyond what He granted others. There are a few women here who would have to wear a snowmobile suit to not be distracting.... does that mean they are obligated too?

Oh how I miss Rhoni in some of these discussions. LOL

[Aquila]

The world will be the world. Professionally speaking her attire was inappropriate and potentially offensive to others. Disciplinary procedures should have followed with perhaps a stern warning if this is her first offense. Sexy or offensive... it doesn't matter... it's inappropriate in a business environment. If she wants to dress like a hoochie let it be on her own time.

Everyone likes "sexy" and everyone has their own "proclivities" with regards to sex and sexuality. However, those are private matters for private times and should be handled with discretion and respect in a business or public environment.

[RandyWayne]

It really all depends on who is wearing the outfit. I mean does she look like Jennifer Aniston or Betty White? If she looks like Jennifer Aniston or such then I wouldn't say it was necessarily offensive, but if she wa slike Betty White, or if she was a really really large woman...then it would be offensive.

;) LOL.

I probably would have used Betty Paige vs Betty White as examples. LOL

[rgcraig]

Maybe, but again to me once "sexy" crosses a line toward being "offensive" it is no longer sexy. So I would never use those two words to describe the same person at the same time.

And God DID grant some people assets above and beyond what He granted others. There are a few women here who would have to wear a snowmobile suit to not be distracting.... does that mean they are obligated too?

Oh how I miss Rhoni in some of these discussions. LOL

LOL!!!!

[rgcraig]

The world will be the world. Professionally speaking her attire was inappropriate and potentially offensive to others. Disciplinary procedures should have followed with perhaps a stern warning if this is her first offense. Sexy or offensive... it doesn't matter... it's inappropriate in a business environment. If she wants to dress like a hoochie let it be on her own time.

Everyone likes "sexy" and everyone has their own "proclivities" with regards to sex and sexuality. However, those are private matters for private times and should be handled with discretion and respect in a business or public environment.

Yeah, what he said.

[acerrak]

its thes etype of people who want men to lust after them. sexy doesnt need to be in the work place. its needs to be kept in the bedroom. I like cold weather, but i also like the fact the cold forces people to cover up.

i walked in the park the other day with my 2 daughters. and lo and behold to 2 girls i say between 18-21 in a skimpy 2 peice swimsuit, doing chalk art on the side walk both with their butt's stuck up in the air so everyone could see it....

[RandyWayne]

Maybe, but again to me once "sexy" crosses a line toward being "offensive" it is no longer sexy. So I would never use those two words to describe the same person at the same time.

And God DID grant some people assets above and beyond what He granted others. There are a few women here at work who would have to wear a snowmobile suit to not be distracting.... does that mean they are obligated too?

Oh how I miss Rhoni in some of these discussions. LOL

LOL!!!!

I probably should have said "at work here" when typing that -as I really am not that familiar, appearance wise, with most females on this board. LOL

[rgcraig]

I probably should have said "at work here" when typing that -as I really am not that familiar, appearance wise, with most females on this board. LOL

I did assume you meant at your work.

CC1 would have most of us here wearing blue denium wear.

[Aquila]

It's evident that some women who dress like this are looking for attention. Why? They feel alone inside. Some of these women are "looking for love" hoping to find some form of attention that will satisfy. She's a prime candidate to introduce to Jesus.

We must be wise. Sometimes we have to take a stand... sometimes we have to stand down and see what might be going on in the spirit with the people we know and work with.

What might Jesus have done? That's open to debate. But my point is... don't forget Christ and your calling in these situations.

[Bro. Robbins]

Maybe, but again to me once "sexy" crosses a line toward being "offensive" it is no longer sexy. So I would never use those two words to describe the same person at the same time.

And God DID grant some people assets above and beyond what He granted others. There are a few women here who would have to wear a snowmobile suit to not be distracting.... does that mean they are obligated too?

Oh how I miss Rhoni in some of these discussions. LOL

There is a HUGE difference between attractiveness and sexy. Attractive is not inappropriate.... sexy is inappropriate anywhere in public and offensive.

[Aquila]

Are we gasping at this woman's behavior in condemnation of her attire... or are we thinking about what all of this means with regards to her soul? I would see it as a cry for help. She's trying to get attention... but it's Christ's attention that she is truly hungry for.

[RandyWayne]

There is a HUGE difference between attractiveness and sexy. Attractive is not inappropriate.... sexy is inappropriate anywhere in public and offensive.

While I think it is possible to split some hair when talking definitions, I don't believe their is a huge difference between the two..... Not even a "medium" difference.

[Bro. Robbins]

But folks... you can't deny that our society has become way to inmodest and casual.

Over this past weekend, my youngest neice graduated from University of Chicago with high honors. Yes it was hot in Chicago on Saturday, and yes the ceremonies were outside.... but there are ways to be appropriate for the weather and not look like prostitues... male and female alike.

At a prestigious school... and very nice event, there were girls there in tops that look like the old halter top with skirts so short you could almost see their hallelujah hoo-ha.

Guys there in shorts...at a graduation.... and tank tops.

I don't expect the world to look like the church, but our society has gotten way too casual..... it really bothers me.

[Bro. Robbins]

Are we gasping at this woman's behavior in condemnation of her attire... or are we thinking about what all of this means with regards to her soul? I would see it as a cry for help. She's trying to get attention... but it's Christ's attention that she is truly hungry for.

I disagree...she's hungry for attention all right... but she aint no more hungry for Christ than I am for a steaming bowl of brussel sprouts.

[rgcraig]

I disagree...she's hungry for attention all right... but she aint no more hungry for Christ than I am for a steaming bowl of brussel sprouts.

You are right, but he is too.

[Aquila]

We talk like society has gotten really bad. Ancient Greece was far worse. lol

A female friend of mine went to Aruba with a girlfriend several years ago. They discovered that the beach was topless and so they decided that... when in Rome...

I think there is a time and a place for everything. But being "sexy" or "provocative" isn't appropriate for the work place for certain.

[RandyWayne]

There is a HUGE difference between attractiveness and sexy. Attractive is not inappropriate.... sexy is inappropriate anywhere in public and offensive.

Again, I beg to differ. Part of the problem is semantics. Your equating "sexy" with immodesty -and we would probably even disagree on the definition of immodesty in most cases.

But here is am example of what I am trying to describe. I believe this girl IS attractive, modest AND sexy. Do you disagree? What should she do to change her appearance if she is too sexy for you?
http://thehindimusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/beautiful-indian-girl.jpg

[MissBrattified]

It's evident that some women who dress like this are looking for attention. Why? They feel alone inside. Some of these women are "looking for love" hoping to find some form of attention that will satisfy. She's a prime candidate to introduce to Jesus.

We must be wise. Sometimes we have to take a stand... sometimes we have to stand down and see what might be going on in the spirit with the people we know and work with.

What might Jesus have done? That's open to debate. But my point is... don't forget Christ and your calling in these situations.

Best post on this thread.

Personally, unless you are the employER and in a position to hold an employee accountable, I would let it go and not say a single word.

[rgcraig]

Again, I beg to differ. Part of the problem is semantics. Your equating "sexy" with immodesty -and we would probably even disagree on the definition of immodesty in most cases.

But here is am example of what I am trying to describe. I believe this girl IS attractive, modest AND sexy. Do you disagree? What should she do to change her appearance if she is too sexy for you?
http://thehindimusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/beautiful-indian-girl.jpg

One Night w/the King?

[RandyWayne]

We talk like society has gotten really bad. Ancient Greece was far worse. lol

A female friend of mine went to Aruba with a girlfriend several years ago. They discovered that the beach was topless and so they decided that... when in Rome...

I think there is a time and a place for everything. But being "sexy" or "provocative" isn't appropriate for the work place for certain.

Ya, we quickly get into too many different trains of thought and tangents on some of these subjects. Or as Ray Stevens might say, we start talking in parallel lines with will never intersect. LOL

And speaking of nude beaches, while they weren't nude beaches per say, but when we went to Jamaica there were a few (European) women who laid on the beach topless. That would normally be very distracting to me, except they were all in their 60's (or at least looked like they were). An extreme case where it went from distracting to laughable -or even blinding. LOL

[Aquila]

I disagree...she's hungry for attention all right... but she aint no more hungry for Christ than I am for a steaming bowl of brussel sprouts.

I don't know... Jesus saw a Samaritan woman at a well once. She had been married five times and was currently shacking up with a guy she wasn't married to. Jesus spoke to her. Jesus revealed a spiritual thirst in her. She had spent her life looking to quench her thirst for love in men... and she couldn't find it. He revealed that her answer was "living water". Then he revealed his identity to her and she immediately went to her home town and witnessed to everyone about him. Those she spoke to came to the well to see Jesus... and many believed.

Yep... the evangelist to that small town was a woman who had been married five times and was currently shacked up with a guy. I don't know what happened to her. I pray they eventually married and found happiness in Christ.

God doesn't see things like we see them. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying be open enough to see people as Jesus might see them. Sometimes we overreact in a righteously indignant tirade and alienate a lot of people from Christ because they see us as "beating up on" a lady over what she chose to wear. While they might agree that it was inappropriate... they're more concerned with how she was treated as a person. So... let's remember to behave like Jesus in moments like these. That's all I'm saying.

[Aquila]

Ya, we quickly get into too many different trains of thought and tangents on some of these subjects. Or as Ray Stevens might say, we start talking in parallel lines with will never intersect. LOL

And speaking of nude beaches, while they weren't nude beaches per say, but when we went to Jamaica there were a few (European) women who laid on the beach topless. That would normally be very distracting to me, except they were all in their 60's (or at least looked like they were). An extreme case where it went from distracting to laughable -or even blinding. LOL

lol

[Bro. Robbins]

Again, I beg to differ. Part of the problem is semantics. Your equating "sexy" with immodesty -and we would probably even disagree on the definition of immodesty in most cases.

But here is am example of what I am trying to describe. I believe this girl IS attractive, modest AND sexy. Do you disagree? What should she do to change her appearance if she is too sexy for you?
http://thehindimusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/beautiful-indian-girl.jpg

She is attractive, and modest... except for what looks like make-up on her face.... but she is not sexy.

[Cindy]

Maybe, but again to me once "sexy" crosses a line toward being "offensive" it is no longer sexy. So I would never use those two words to describe the same person at the same time.

And God DID grant some people assets above and beyond what He granted others. There are a few women here who would have to wear a snowmobile suit to not be distracting.... does that mean they are obligated too?

Oh how I miss Rhoni in some of these discussions. LOL

Yeah, and the bigger the assets the smaller a male's brain becomes.

[Bro. Robbins]

I don't know... Jesus saw a Samaritan woman at a well once. She had been married five times and was currently shacking up with a guy she wasn't married to. Jesus spoke to her. Jesus revealed a spiritual thirst in her. She had spent her life looking to quench her thirst for love in men... and she couldn't find it. He revealed that her answer was "living water". Then he revealed his identity to her and she immediately went to her home town and witnessed to everyone about him. Those she spoke to came to the well to see Jesus... and many believed.

Yep... the evangelist to that small town was a woman who had been married five times and was currently shacked up with a guy. I don't know what happened to her. I pray they eventually married and found happiness in Christ.

God doesn't see things like we see them. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying be open enough to see people as Jesus might see them. Sometimes we overreact in a righteously indignant tirade and alienate a lot of people from Christ because they see us as "beating up on" a lady over what she chose to wear. While they might agree that it was inappropriate... they're more concerned with how she was treated as a person. So... let's remember to behave like Jesus in moments like these. That's all I'm saying.

She was thirsty yes... I didn't disagree with that part... but not for Christ... and the woman at the well wasn't either... she was searching absolutely for something to fill the God shaped hole in her life... but there is nothing in that Scripture to indicate that she every realized that Christ would fill the thirst. She was thirsty, but nothing indicated thirsty for Christ.

Furthermore, you say she evangelized.... there is nothing in the Scriptures that says she ever accepted Christ, repented of her sins, or came to faith in Christ..... as far as we know, she died in her sins...... too many have made too many assumptions about this girl.

In regards to the gal in my office...she's thirsty, but not for Christ. She would have to realize her need for Christ first, to become thirsty for Christ.... right now, she's only thirsty.

Just like me... I was longing for something in my life... however, I had to realize my longing was for Christ, before my longing could be a longing for Christ.

[rgcraig]

She was thirsty yes... I didn't disagree with that part... but not for Christ... and the woman at the well wasn't either... she was searching absolutely for something to fill the God shaped hole in her life... but there is nothing in that Scripture to indicate that she every realized that Christ would fill the thirst. She was thirsty, but nothing indicated thirsty for Christ.

Furthermore, you say she evangelized.... there is nothing in the Scriptures that says she ever accepted Christ, repented of her sins, or came to faith in Christ..... as far as we know, she died in her sins...... too many have made too many assumptions about this girl.

In regards to the gal in my office...she's thirsty, but not for Christ. She would have to realize her need for Christ first, to become thirsty for Christ.... right now, she's only thirsty.

Just like me... I was longing for something in my life... however, I had to realize my longing was for Christ, before my longing could be a longing for Christ.

Exactly his point!

[Aquila]

Yeah, and the bigger the assets the smaller a male's brain becomes.

Hey! I represent that remark! lol

[tv1a]

The phrase " I couldn't get passed what a saw" says more about the observer than the person wearing the sexy outfit. I wonder why the person stared at the lady for 15-20 seconds. It takes at least 15 seconds of looking someone over to provide that much detail. Could it the moral outrage is tpa decoy for the real issue?

I know my wife would have an issue with me if described a woman as explicit as BR did. She would suggest my eyes look elsewhere.

In my office we have a unique blend of folks. Many different departments share this floor, as we are part of a University and Medical Center of over 23,000 employees.

We do have a dress code, but in an organization this large, policing and enforcement is quite difficult if a supervisor or manager chooses to look the other way.

There are many times I am offended by what others wear... men and women... and I overlook it. But while getting coffee this morning, I just couldn't look past what I saw. A sheer blouse that was almost see through. With dress shorts, that were the length of hot pants.... top of the thigh. And they were somewhat baggy, so that when the young lady sits down, the whole world is her gynecologist.

I approached her supervisor (which is what we are told to do in cases like this) and mentioned that the employee's outfit was offensive. Her response was, "I don't see what's offensive. It's sexy, but not offensive."

I was in shock... I said, "Sexy is Offensive!!!!". But even beyond that, the work place is no place for sexy. I provided a copy of the dress code in black and white and said, no matter your opinion or mine, this is a violation of the rules.

But I couldn't believe my ears.... so people don't think sexy is offensive anymore????? I was raised that "sexy" is for private.... not public.

[Bro. Robbins]

Exactly his point!

no it wasn't.... he said she was thirsty and thirsty for Christ.... She's thirsty but it's not for Christ... this gal is a Asian Buddhist..... she aint thirsty for Christ... just thirsty.

If I'm thirsty... then I'm just thirsty... I"m not thirsty for a specific thing until I identify what I'm thirsty for.

[Bro. Robbins]

The phrase " I couldn't get passed what a saw" says more about the observer than the person wearing the sexy outfit. I wonder why the person stared at the lady for 15-20 seconds. It takes at least 15 seconds of looking someone over to provide that much detail. Could it the moral outrage is tpa decoy for the real issue?

I know my wife would have an issue with me if described a woman as explicit as BR did. She would suggest my eyes look elsewhere.

In management... we must observe what staff are wearing...not only our staff, but also other staff... Why? because if I don't let my staff get away with something, but they see another getting away with it, it will come back to bite me in the tail. I have to be observant as one of my jobs as a manager is to police appearance.....

[Hoovie]

Very subjective. I guess I personally would not say anything, though.

[rgcraig]

no it wasn't.... he said she was thirsty and thirsty for Christ.... She's thirsty but it's not for Christ... this gal is a Asian Buddhist..... she aint thirsty for Christ... just thirsty.

If I'm thirsty... then I'm just thirsty... I"m not thirsty for a specific thing until I identify what I'm thirsty for.

She's thirsty for Christ and doesn't know it -- that's our jobs as Christians.

Who do you witness to? Only those dressed to your standards? Didn't Jesus reach out to the woman at the well? Did she know she was thirsty? No. Not until she met Christ.

[Bro. Robbins]

She's thirsty for Christ and doesn't know it -- that's our jobs as Christians.

Who do you witness to? Only those dressed to your standards? Didn't Jesus reach out to the woman at the well? Did she know she was thirsty? No. Not until she met Christ.

She can't be thirsty for Christ if she doesn't know it.....that's absurd. That's like me saying I'm hungry for a hamburger but I just don't know it.....that's crazy.

I witness to everyone... because yes they are thirsty. But they aren't thirsty for CHRIST until they REALIZE they are thirsty for CHRIST via the Holy Ghost and conviction. Prior to that, their thirst knows no focus.

[aegsm76]

The phrase " I couldn't get passed what a saw" says more about the observer than the person wearing the sexy outfit. I wonder why the person stared at the lady for 15-20 seconds. It takes at least 15 seconds of looking someone over to provide that much detail. Could it the moral outrage is tpa decoy for the real issue?

I know my wife would have an issue with me if described a woman as explicit as BR did. She would suggest my eyes look elsewhere.

Absolutely one of the least intelligent posts that I have ever seen you put up tv.
Kill the messenger.
Let me use the same tactic with you.
Sounds like you and your wife have trust issues, you may need to have a long talk about this or see a counselor.

[Cindy]

She can't be thirsty for Christ if she doesn't know it.....that's absurd. That's like me saying I'm hungry for a hamburger but I just don't know it.....that's crazy.

I witness to everyone... because yes they are thirsty. But they aren't thirsty for CHRIST until they REALIZE they are thirsty for CHRIST via the Holy Ghost and conviction. Prior to that, their thirst knows no focus.

We don't know that as we can't see people's hearts.

[Bro. Robbins]

We don't know that as we can't see people's hearts.

and by the same token...neither does Acquilla who made the initial statement that SHE WAS THIRSTY FOR CHRIST.... which is a totally absurd assumption... but sounds all touchy-feely and cum-ba-yah.

[Bro. Robbins]

In management... we must observe what staff are wearing...not only our staff, but also other staff... Why? because if I don't let my staff get away with something, but they see another getting away with it, it will come back to bite me in the tail. I have to be observant as one of my jobs as a manager is to police appearance.....

Just in case TV didn't see my response..... to the absurd accusation made.

[aegsm76]

Just amazed at the number of posters on here who do not live in the real world.
As someone who has to deal with the issue raised by BR, here, I can tell you that it is not only religious fanatics who are offended by others work attire.
Some of those who dress immodestly do it intentionally to draw attention and "push the limits".
And some do not think anything about it.

[Bro. Robbins]

Just amazed at the number of posters on here who do not live in the real world.
As someone who has to deal with the issue raised by BR, here, I can tell you that it is not only religious fanatics who are offended by others work attire.
Some of those who dress immodestly do it intentionally to draw attention and "push the limits".
And some do not think anything about it.

Absolutely..... and they get their voice heard by wearing it... do those of us that are offended by it not get a voice as well? Should we have to put up with being visually assaulted continually where we work? How is it somehow a better witness that I have to dread coming to work during the summer because of staff attire? Believe me, I don't expect them to dress like the church, but please dress like your at work.... and not out at the local meeting of the hoochie girl society.

And the thought that somehow I'm less what Jesus wants me to be because I say something to management about it is absolutely the epitome of absurdity.

[RandyWayne]

She is attractive, and modest... except for what looks like make-up on her face.... but she is not sexy.

Then your defining 'sexiness" largely by how much skin is being shown. I don't do that. For me attractiveness, sexiness, and to a somewhat lesser degree, modesty, can be nearly interchangeable in their use. I would even throw personality into the mix. :)

[RandyWayne]

Since the school year ended at my school we're no longer required to wear business casual when we come in (not until school starts again in late August). I am offending a whole lot of people with all my Green Bay Packer garb I have on right now. It wouldn't surprise me if someone has complained..... LOL

[Bro. Robbins]

Then your defining 'sexiness" largely by how much skin is being shown. I don't do that. For me attractiveness, sexiness, and to a somewhat lesser degree, modesty, can be nearly interchangeable in their use. I would even throw personality into the mix. :)

Again, you use sexy and attractive both as positive terms and interchangebly.... or it appears.

I do not.... attractive is a positive word.... sexy absolutely is not. To me, no lady ever wants to be considered Sexy except in private with her husband. She wants to be attractive always, but sexy is negative...

And no, not just how much skin is showing... Also sexy may be clothed, but form fitting...which is also a negative.

[RandyWayne]

She's thirsty for Christ and doesn't know it -- that's our jobs as Christians.

Who do you witness to? Only those dressed to your standards? Didn't Jesus reach out to the woman at the well? Did she know she was thirsty? No. Not until she met Christ.

We do see an extreme version of this attitude when we hear of a church with published dress standards that even visitors have to follow before attending. Thankfully there doesn't seem to be that many but they are out there. Certainly there are many who feel that THEIR church should institute such a policy.

[Amanah]

Maybe, but again to me once "sexy" crosses a line toward being "offensive" it is no longer sexy. So I would never use those two words to describe the same person at the same time.

And God DID grant some people assets above and beyond what He granted others. There are a few women here who would have to wear a snowmobile suit to not be distracting.... does that mean they are obligated too?

Oh how I miss Rhoni in some of these discussions. LOL

well, since the woman in question was exposing her vagina, shall we at least agree that sexual organs should be covered?

[RandyWayne]

well, since the woman in question was exposing her vagina, shall we at least agree that sexual organs should be covered?

I highly doubt she was doing that..... To say she was is like the hyper sensitive person who see's a woman with two inches of midriff exposed and then saying "....and she was wearing a bikini!!!".

IF she was truly exposing that much then it stops becoming a HR issue and starts becoming a law enforcement one.

[Bro. Robbins]

I highly doubt she was doing that..... To say she was is like the hyper sensitive person who see's a woman with two inches of midriff exposed and then saying "....and she was wearing a bikini!!!".

IF she was truly exposing that much then it stops becoming a HR issue and starts becoming a law enforcement one.


When she sat down on a stool in our breakroom,, one of my female staff was able to see not only her undies, but name the color, and the fact that they were bikini panties and that the young lady didn't believe in performing the Brazilian wax.......

[Aquila]

She was thirsty yes... I didn't disagree with that part... but not for Christ... and the woman at the well wasn't either... she was searching absolutely for something to fill the God shaped hole in her life... but there is nothing in that Scripture to indicate that she every realized that Christ would fill the thirst. She was thirsty, but nothing indicated thirsty for Christ.

Furthermore, you say she evangelized.... there is nothing in the Scriptures that says she ever accepted Christ, repented of her sins, or came to faith in Christ..... as far as we know, she died in her sins...... too many have made too many assumptions about this girl.

In regards to the gal in my office...she's thirsty, but not for Christ. She would have to realize her need for Christ first, to become thirsty for Christ.... right now, she's only thirsty.

Just like me... I was longing for something in my life... however, I had to realize my longing was for Christ, before my longing could be a longing for Christ.

Bro... Jesus is the answer to... everything. Every human being has a God shaped hole in their lives... and they try to fill it with alcohol, sex, drugs, hobbies, religion, and entertainment.

I don't know this woman's heart. I am also of the conviction that you might not either. I'm only saying... be Jesus to her. It's the only way to find out. If a woman like this isn't on your prayer list... she should be. If you're not trying to be a friend to a woman like this... you should be.

As for the woman at the well... the Scriptures say...


John 4:1-42 (ESV)

Jesus and the Woman of Samaria

4 Now when Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus was making and baptizing more disciples than John 2 (although Jesus himself did not baptize, but only his disciples), 3 he left Judea and departed again for Galilee. 4 And he had to pass through Samaria. 5 So he came to a town of Samaria called Sychar, near the field that Jacob had given to his son Joseph. 6 Jacob's well was there; so Jesus, wearied as he was from his journey, was sitting beside the well. It was about the sixth hour.

7 A woman from Samaria came to draw water. Jesus said to her, “Give me a drink.” 8 (For his disciples had gone away into the city to buy food.) 9 The Samaritan woman said to him, “How is it that you, a Jew, ask for a drink from me, a woman of Samaria?” ( For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans.) 10 Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is that is saying to you, ‘Give me a drink,’ you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water.” 11 The woman said to him, “Sir, you have nothing to draw water with, and the well is deep. Where do you get that living water? 12 Are you greater than our father Jacob? He gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did his sons and his livestock.” 13 Jesus said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” 15 The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water, so that I will not be thirsty or have to come here to draw water.”

16 Jesus said to her, “Go, call your husband, and come here.” 17 The woman answered him, “I have no husband.” Jesus said to her, “You are right in saying, ‘I have no husband’; 18 for you have had five husbands, and the one you now have is not your husband. What you have said is true.” 19 The woman said to him, “Sir, I perceive that you are a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you say that in Jerusalem is the place where people ought to worship.” 21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” 25 The woman said to him, “I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ). When he comes, he will tell us all things.” 26 Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am he.”

27 Just then his disciples came back. They marveled that he was talking with a woman, but no one said, “What do you seek?” or, “Why are you talking with her?” 28 So the woman left her water jar and went away into town and said to the people, 29 “Come, see a man who told me all that I ever did. Can this be the Christ?” 30 They went out of the town and were coming to him.

31 Meanwhile the disciples were urging him, saying, “Rabbi, eat.” 32 But he said to them, “I have food to eat that you do not know about.” 33 So the disciples said to one another, “Has anyone brought him something to eat?” 34 Jesus said to them, “My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to accomplish his work. 35 Do you not say, ‘There are yet four months, then comes the harvest’? Look, I tell you, lift up your eyes, and see that the fields are white for harvest. 36 Already the one who reaps is receiving wages and gathering fruit for eternal life, so that sower and reaper may rejoice together. 37 For here the saying holds true, ‘One sows and another reaps.’ 38 I sent you to reap that for which you did not labor. Others have labored, and you have entered into their labor.”

39 Many Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman's testimony, “He told me all that I ever did.” 40 So when the Samaritans came to him, they asked him to stay with them, and he stayed there two days. 41 And many more believed because of his word. 42 They said to the woman, “It is no longer because of what you said that we believe, for we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this is indeed the Savior of the world.”

Praise God...

I believe you do error knowing not the Scriptures, nor the power of God. Jesus asked her for water and she saw a problem because of their social differences. Jesus then told her that if she knew who he was, she'd ask him for water. Jesus saw the thirst...she just didn't know who he was. Jesus described living water... and she asked for it. But first... Jesus had to address her circumstance to humble her before God... Jesus asked for her to bring her husband. She said she had no husband, hoping to end that subject. Jesus then revealed to her that he knew her circumstance; she'd been married five times and was currently living with a man she wasn't married to. She perceived in that instant that Jesus was a prophet. She then resorted to an old tired defense tactic... a religious debate. She brought up the differences between the Jews and the Samaritans concerning the place to worship. This expressed her knowledge and interest in a spiritual matter that had obviously troubled her spiritually. Jesus explains that the day is coming when the Father will desire his own to worship him in spirit and in truth. She then reflects at how great that would be and it draws her mind to the prophecies concerning the Messiah and how he will teach both Jew and Samaritan all things. Then Jesus reveals his identity to her, "I who speak to you am he."

Christ's disciples return and the woman leaves and returns to down and tells all that she knows about Jesus. Then many from the town started coming to him. Jesus tells the disciples how the fields are white for harvest (they are spiritually ripe). Many believe in Jesus because of this woman's testimony. They asked Jesus to stay with them and he stayed two more days. During that time many more believed because of Christ's own words and professed that they then knew that Jesus was indeed the Saviour of the world.

I present to you that your claim that she wasn't hungry for God, the claim that she didn't believe in him, the claim that she didn't spread the word regarding who he was to the salvation of others... are unfounded and dismissed by the Scriptures themselves.

The term "repent" is "metanoeo" (Grk.). It is a compound word composed of the words "meta" meaning "afterward" and "noeo" meaning "understanding". Essentially it is an "after-understanding", a "change of mind". Did her mind not change after that conversation? I contend that it did... therefore she was "repentant".

Now... what troubles me is how so many want to "beat up" these precious believers in Scriptures because they don't "fit the mold" of what we'd call good "moral people". This Phariseeical perspective is disturbing because not only do we discount the significance of those who don't fit our mold in Scripture... but we carry that over into our daily lives, thereby often discounting the value and significance of those whom we pass judgment upon because they too don't fit the mold.

Bro... the woman at the well was a shack up honey who had been through five failed marriages. She was looking for love. And when she met Jesus and it was revealed to her who he was... she didn't waste any time... she went and told an entire town about him and many believed and came to Christ. After Christ stayed two whole days with them... many more believed because of Christ's own words. That shack up honey wasn't trash to be discarded and questioned... she was a key to revival in that town. The disciples didn't go and tell them about Jesus... they were too busy questioning the entire conversation... but a shack up honey did . lol

I love how God always proves that what we call trash is His treasure. ;)

[RandyWayne]

When she sat down on a stool in our breakroom,, one of my female staff was able to see not only her undies, but name the color, and the fact that they were bikini panties and that the young lady didn't believe in performing the Brazilian wax.......

At least it was another woman who noticed that -and come to think of it my wife notices all those details as well. I just tend to look away and roll my eyes. lol

[Bro. Robbins]

To Acquilla - The only evidence of anything is that others believed because of her testimony... but no, the Scriptures don't say one way or the other that she believed or did not believe herself. You make assumptions..... but it's not in there one way or the other.

And for you to say that I'm not being Jesus to the gal on my floor is another assumption you make. You infer that to be Jesus would not to complain about her attire... and that would be me being slack in my responsibilities as management on this floor.... and I can't see that being very Jesus.

I didn't go to the gal, and wasn't disrespectful. But I did stand up.... and there's nothing anti Jesus about standing up for the rules that we all agree to abide by at this employer.

[acerrak]

Guys there in shorts...at a graduation.... and tank tops.




yea how much leg did the men show when they girded up their tunics??

I dont have a issue with decent length shorts or tank tops. why is that considered immodest? There is a difference now if the shorts are so short that when they sit down there privates hang out.. yea immodest.

[Aquila]

Now, I'll plow a little deep here, and this may not apply to everyone. But I feel I have to say it.

We have the Holy Ghost and have partaken in the divine nature of God's own Spirit in our spirits. Therefore, we have the very righteousness of God in our inner man. But we are still in this human flesh that is subject to it's sinful nature... and we still have unregenerated minds that cater to the flesh by default. So sometimes our minds and our actions dont' always line up with the reality of the inner man's righteousness. This causes conviction, guilt, shame, a sense of condemnation.

I think that we have such high standards and expectations with regards to our behavior and performance that when put in a situation with a "worldling" that provokes our carnal minds and perhaps even our carnal flesh... it troubles us. It angers us. Because instantly because of what a woman is wearing or because of the words a man uses, we're confronted with our fallen nature as the old man lunges up out of the grave and tries to live again. We're confronted with the fact that... while our spirits are righteous, holy, justified, and sanctified by the indweling Holy Spirit... our flesh isn't and therefore we must still contend with sins reality in our lives. We fail to realize a simple truth that Paul taught us... it's not us (our inner man) that is sinning or desiring to sin... but rather it's sin (the principle of our sinful fallen nature) that still exists in our flesh. Because we've not really focused on grace teachings and the deeper doctrines concerning our salvation we fear when we experience this... and we lash out in harsh judgment against that which awakens that sinful nature. Because as long as we can ignore it... cover it up... or pretend it's not there... we can walk around like the Pharisees assuming that our behavior has made us righteous. It challenges our spirituality on a very deep and spiritual level.

Beloved... don't react in judgment. But rather... react as one who is crucified to the world and is yet alive. Not living your life as yourself... but living it as Jesus... because it is Christ who now really lives in you.

Be Jesus.

[Bro. Robbins]

yea how much leg did the men show when they girded up their tunics??

I dont have a issue with decent length shorts or tank tops. why is that considered immodest? There is a difference now if the shorts are so short that when they sit down there privates hang out.. yea immodest.

at a University graduation of a school of the reputation of the University of Chicago? are you kidding? dressing for an event like this in shorts and tank tops? Has nothing to do with modesty in the context of what I wrote... I was talking about too casual, and said that. They dressed for this very big deal event at this school like they were going to walmart.

This is an International school. Their commencements are very, very, very pomp and circumstance, very intricate, high level of excellence. Ive never seen anything so grand. The school costs around $50K a year to attend (my neice was there on full scholarship or couldn't have attended). It's a big deal to graduate from there.

And the foreigners were all dressed up and respected that. And us country folk did... and most folks did... but some people who should have known better were treating it way too casual in their appearance.....that's the point I was making.

[Bro. Robbins]

Be Jesus.

I was....

[RandyWayne]

Again, you use sexy and attractive both as positive terms and interchangebly.... or it appears.

I do not.... attractive is a positive word.... sexy absolutely is not. To me, no lady ever wants to be considered Sexy except in private with her husband. She wants to be attractive always, but sexy is negative...

And no, not just how much skin is showing... Also sexy may be clothed, but form fitting...which is also a negative.

It not only appears that I am. I am. While I'm will to say that attractiveness and sexiness are not exactly the same I would add that I believe there is about an 80% overlap between the two. It also is not all about appearances but rather the combination between physical appearance (the genetic component), dress and style, and the biggie, personality. They all combine to determine how "sexy" someone is.

Now back to you Chris (since we've taken this discussion to different areas). :)

[Amanah]

I agree she is a treasure in the eyes of Christ, and as the body of Christ we should love her as Jesus loves her.

If a naked man/woman was drowning, their lack of clothing would not stop me from throwing them a life line.

I also think there is nothing wrong with reporting behavior that you feel is sexual harassment in the work place. Believe me; the work place has become more concerned with morality. People can be reprimanded for using foul language, for inappropriate behavior and attire, for telling jokes, touching; many things are now considered inappropriate that people might have gotten away with at one time.

[Bro. Robbins]

It not only appears that I am. I am. While I'm will to say that attractiveness and sexiness are not exactly the same I would add that I believe there is about an 80% overlap between the two. It also is not all about appearances but rather the combination between physical appearance (the genetic component), dress and style, and the biggie, personality. They all combine to determine how "sexy" someone is.

Now back to you Chris (since we've taken this discussion to different areas). :)

We will have to agree to disagree... whose Chris?

[Aquila]

To Acquilla - The only evidence of anything is that others believed because of her testimony... but no, the Scriptures don't say one way or the other that she believed or did not believe herself. You make assumptions..... but it's not in there one way or the other.

Bro... Christ said that they were ready to harvest. Was he wrong? Did he fail?

And for you to say that I'm not being Jesus to the gal on my floor is another assumption you make. You infer that to be Jesus would not to complain about her attire... and that would be me being slack in my responsibilities as management on this floor.... and I can't see that being very Jesus.

When did I say that? All I said is that we must remember to try to be Christlike in our response in those situations. Because the enemy likes for us to get all righteously indignant, mistreat someone in front of a group, and then alienate ourselves from them because of the way we spoke about a person or treated a person. They are left disagreeing with what a person might have worn or said.. but they are aghast at how we treated them in response. Then Satan laughs... and we're left sitting there saying things like, "But, but, but... she was inappropriate. She, she, should have known better. I mean, c'mon guys... don't ya feel me?" And they just stare thinking that while the person was inappropriate... we showed that we can be total jerks. I'm just saying we should be cautious and aware of Satan's set-ups. That's all.

I didn't go to the gal, and wasn't disrespectful. But I did stand up.... and there's nothing anti Jesus about standing up for the rules that we all agree to abide by at this employer.

I'm glad that you weren't disrespectful. And obviously you're a wistleblower when it comes to violations of the rules. Given the temperments of the people you work with that could be a good thing or a bad thing. I don't know. I'm just talking about situations like this in general. We should be wise. Sometimes it's best to just stand down and pray... see what happens... and find what your mission is with regards to the souls you work with. I mean... you are on assignment there. It's your mission field. If God has called you to enforce the dress code... do it. If God has called you to do otherwise... do it. That's all I'm saying.

[Aquila]

I agree she is a treasure in the eyes of Christ, and as the body of Christ we should love her as Jesus loves her.

If a naked man/woman was drowning, their lack of clothing would not stop me from throwing them a life line.

I also think there is nothing wrong with reporting behavior that you feel is sexual harassment in the work place. Believe me; the work place has become more concerned with morality. People can be reprimanded for using foul language, for inappropriate behavior and attire, for telling jokes, touching; many things are now considered inappropriate that people might have gotten away with at one time.

Very true. But sometimes God isn't looking for a wistleblower. Sometimes He is. We have to be wise. I don't want a bunch of younger saints reading this becoming the "moral police" at work. Every situation is different, crafted by God, and should be approached with wisdom.

[Nitehawk013]

wow. This thread grew exponentially in my short absence.

[RandyWayne]

I agree she is a treasure in the eyes of Christ, and as the body of Christ we should love her as Jesus loves her.

If a naked man/woman was drowning, their lack of clothing would not stop me from throwing them a life line.

I also think there is nothing wrong with reporting behavior that you feel is sexual harassment in the work place. Believe me; the work place has become more concerned with morality. People can be reprimanded for using foul language, for inappropriate behavior and attire, for telling jokes, touching; many things are now considered inappropriate that people might have gotten away with at one time.

It seems like we are always sending older kids home to change. OK, it doesn't happen that often but it does happen. It is amazing what parents allow their kids to wear. If I had a daughter (thank God I don't!) and she was as attractive as some of our Freshman, Juniors, and Seniors are I would force her to wear over sized hunting fatigues most of the time. LOL

[Bro. Robbins]

Very true. But sometimes God isn't looking for a wistleblower. Sometimes He is. We have to be wise. I don't want a bunch of younger saints reading this becoming the "moral police" at work. Every situation is different, crafted by God, and should be approached with wisdom.

For the younger saints reading this....."Follow the rules".... and if the rules say report, then report... report early and often. To whom much is given, much is required. Follow the rules, follow the rules... Yes, God's rules are supreme to work rules, but unless they violate the Word.... follow the rules, report those who don't, and do the right thing.

And by the way, this situation wasn't crated by God... he didn't put that girl in those hot pants.....

[Aquila]

For the younger saints reading this....."Follow the rules".... and if the rules say report, then report... report early and often. To whom much is given, much is required. Follow the rules, follow the rules... Yes, God's rules are supreme to work rules, but unless they violate the Word.... follow the rules, report those who don't, and do the right thing.

And by the way, this situation wasn't crated by God... he didn't put that girl in those hot pants.....

What if God provokes a person to be quiet to initiate events that might lead to a friendship and the saving of a soul? I mean... the rules are made for man... not man for the rules.

I saw something relatively harmless at work once. I chose not to report it. And out of it came a rather nice friendship. I even got to share the Word with the guy. Him knowing I had a little dirt on him was enough torment. He asked me why I didn't report him when I could have. I smiled and said, "That's grace. Don't do it again... I might have a carnal moment and report you." lol

He didn't do anything like that again. But... in other situations that endangered life or property... oh yeah. In a heart beat.

[Cindy]

When she sat down on a stool in our breakroom,, one of my female staff was able to see not only her undies, but name the color, and the fact that they were bikini panties and that the young lady didn't believe in performing the Brazilian wax.......

Whoa, too much information.

[rgcraig]

Then your defining 'sexiness" largely by how much skin is being shown. I don't do that. For me attractiveness, sexiness, and to a somewhat lesser degree, modesty, can be nearly interchangeable in their use. I would even throw personality into the mix. :)

:highfive Agree!

[Bro. Robbins]

:highfive Agree!

Again, he uses sexy and attractive both as positive terms and interchangebly.... or it appears.

I do not.... attractive is a positive word.... sexy absolutely is not. To me, no lady ever wants to be considered Sexy except in private with her husband. She wants to be attractive always, but sexy is negative...

And no, not just how much skin is showing... Also sexy may be clothed, but form fitting...which is also a negative.

[rgcraig]

Again, he uses sexy and attractive both as positive terms and interchangebly.... or it appears.

I do not.... attractive is a positive word.... sexy absolutely is not. To me, no lady ever wants to be considered Sexy except in private with her husband. She wants to be attractive always, but sexy is negative...

And no, not just how much skin is showing... Also sexy may be clothed, but form fitting...which is also a negative.

So what you are really saying is sexy is not a positive word if used on anyone other than your spouse.

[rgcraig]

My SIL got a really cool, high-tech, sleek shaver for Christmas - as soon as he opened it he said, wow, now that's sexy! LOL!

Guess it's all relative......

[Bro. Robbins]

So what you are really saying is sexy is not a positive word if used on anyone other than your spouse.

I'd even go beyond that... it's NEVER a positive word. I believe it's okay to find your spouse sexy in very intimate settings and terms, but I don't believe it's ever anything anyone should ever desire to be described as or found as being. I believe it is a very, very, very negative thing to be called sexy or desire to be sexy.

Attractive, is a whole nother ballgame.

[Bro. Robbins]

My SIL got a really cool, high-tech, sleek shaver for Christmas - as soon as he opened it he said, wow, now that's sexy! LOL!

Guess it's all relative......

Is she a christian? And used that terminology?

[rgcraig]

I'd even go beyond that... it's NEVER a positive word. I believe it's okay to find your spouse sexy in very intimate settings and terms, but I don't believe it's ever anything anyone should ever desire to be described as or found as being. I believe it is a very, very, very negative thing to be called sexy or desire to be sexy.

Attractive, is a whole nother ballgame.

We'll just have to agree to disagree!

Nothing makes a woman feel like a woman more than feeling sexy for her man.

[rgcraig]

Is she a christian? And used that terminology?

Son in law and yes, he's a Christian, and better than that, he's a praise and worship leader.

[Bro. Robbins]

Son in law and yes, he's a Christian, and better than that, he's a praise and worship leader.

God Help Us....

[acerrak]

at a University graduation of a school of the reputation of the University of Chicago? are you kidding? dressing for an event like this in shorts and tank tops? Has nothing to do with modesty in the context of what I wrote... I was talking about too casual, and said that. They dressed for this very big deal event at this school like they were going to walmart.

This is an International school. Their commencements are very, very, very pomp and circumstance, very intricate, high level of excellence. Ive never seen anything so grand. The school costs around $50K a year to attend (my neice was there on full scholarship or couldn't have attended). It's a big deal to graduate from there.

And the foreigners were all dressed up and respected that. And us country folk did... and most folks did... but some people who should have known better were treating it way too casual in their appearance.....that's the point I was making.


so whats wrong with dressing casual at it? I fail to see any relevance to what your saying? its the same mentality thats in the church, expecially in some people, as i was down at a alter in the upci praying over people I was the only man in blue jeans. after the meeting was over they asked me if i had a suit.

who cares if they wasnt spefied up. there is nothing wrong with cassual dress. who cares about the forigners. as long as its modest, does it make a difference.

so what if the school is prestigous, it makes no difference in the end its tossed into the fire. lets make it a modesty issue, not O my its not right for them to dress so casual to such a prestigous event...

[rgcraig]

God Help Us....

Oh the drama......so you would be totally freaked out if someone said, "wow, that car is sexy?"

Knowing full well, that it had NOTHING to do with arousal or sexual intent.

[acerrak]

Oh the drama......so you would be totally freaked out if someone said, "wow, that car is sexy?"

Knowing full well, that it had NOTHING to do with arousal or sexual intent.

yea i agree some people are to far over board for their own good....

[Bro. Robbins]

so whats wrong with dressing casual at it? I fail to see any relevance to what your saying? its the same mentality thats in the church, expecially in some people, as i was down at a alter in the upci praying over people I was the only man in blue jeans. after the meeting was over they asked me if i had a suit.

who cares if they wasnt spefied up. there is nothing wrong with cassual dress. who cares about the forigners. as long as its modest, does it make a difference.

so what if the school is prestigous, it makes no difference in the end its tossed into the fire. lets make it a modesty issue, not O my its not right for them to dress so casual to such a prestigous event...

because it shows we have no respect for the occasion, the effort put into it, the accomplishments of the graduates, the honor it is for them to be a part of the school... it's a non verbal comment of how they feel about the occasion and the participants. It's disrespectful and inappropriate.

How you dress at occassions is a non verbal comment/statement on how you feel about that occassion.

[rgcraig]

because it shows we have no respect for the occasion, the effort put into it, the accomplishments of the graduates, the honor it is for them to be a part of the school... it's a non verbal comment of how they feel about the occasion and the participants. It's disrespectful and inappropriate.

How you dress at occassions is a non verbal comment/statement on how you feel about that occassion.

I would bet that 80% of the grads were dressed down under their robes!

[Bro. Robbins]

Oh the drama......so you would be totally freaked out if someone said, "wow, that car is sexy?"

Knowing full well, that it had NOTHING to do with arousal or sexual intent.


absolutely... a sanctified Christian shouldn't even use that word unless it's in showing it's negativity. Using it in that way makes it seem positive and try to put it in some normal terms of use. It's yet another display of our OVER CASUAL society where words don't matter. We aren't careful with terms we use and we sound like the world and makes us look like we're taking on characteristics of the culture around us.

[Bro. Robbins]

I would bet that 80% of the grads were dressed down under their robes!

but UNDER the robes... not where folks could see.... and that was only allowed after the temps were forecasted for 90 plus degrees. There was a dress code given to them before that, girls in dresses, men in ties...slacks, etc... or you don't walk....

and the guys still had to have shirt with tie on, even if they wore shorts even after the rules were loosened some for the hot temps. Oh... and dress shoes required as well... even for doctorate graduates.

It's a very pomp and circumstance event to that school, they don't take it casual or lightly.....at all...

[RandyWayne]

We'll just have to agree to disagree!

Nothing makes a woman feel like a woman more than feeling sexy for her man.

Ya, I can't imagine my wife reaction if I told her "Look here ya old bag. I will admit you are somewhat attractive but my tractor is sexier than you!".

Or maybe I shouldn't caller her "sexy" but bat an eye when I'm in the mood and say "Come here you saucy wench! grrrrrrrrrrrr"

[Bro. Robbins]

Ya, I can't imagine my wife reaction if I told her "Look here ya old bag. I will admit you are somewhat attractive but my tractor is sexier than you!".

Or maybe I shouldn't caller her "sexy" but bat an eye when I'm in the mood and say "Come here you saucy wench! grrrrrrrrrrrr"

yes, that's exactly what I said... disrespect her and the Word's command to love her like Christ loves the Church... absolutely that's what I was saying..... dear gussie you people love to twist viewpoints.

[RandyWayne]

yes, that's exactly what I said... disrespect her and the Word's command to love her like Christ loves the Church... absolutely that's what I was saying..... dear gussie you people love to twist viewpoints.

Just having some fun. I know you didn't tell anyone to literally say "Ya old bag!" to their wives BUT Renda was subtly alluding to the fact that might as well say that if you refuse to show them that they turn you on.

[rgcraig]

Just having some fun. I know you didn't tell anyone to literally say "Ya old bag!" to their wives BUT Renda was subtly alluding to the fact that might as well say that if you refuse to show them that they turn you on.

Alluding - - that's what us women do!

[Bro. Robbins]

Just having some fun. I know you didn't tell anyone to literally say "Ya old bag!" to their wives BUT Renda was subtly alluding to the fact that might as well say that if you refuse to show them that they turn you on.

Then why take a seriously discussed thread to make jokes.... especially at my expense and present an image of something I didn't say.....

And.... I never said refuse to show your spouse they excite you.... did I? again.... assumptions of things I never said..... the very reason I should never post here... because you can say exactly what you mean... but it doesn't matter. People will either make fun of what you post, or say you said something you never did.

[Michael Phelps]

absolutely... a sanctified Christian shouldn't even use that word unless it's in showing it's negativity. Using it in that way makes it seem positive and try to put it in some normal terms of use. It's yet another display of our OVER CASUAL society where words don't matter. We aren't careful with terms we use and we sound like the world and makes us look like we're taking on characteristics of the culture around us.

Wow........just when I think you couldn't surprise me any more....you do.....

[rgcraig]

Then why take a seriously discussed thread to make jokes.... especially at my expense and present an image of something I didn't say.....

And.... I never said refuse to show your spouse they excite you.... did I? again.... assumptions of things I never said..... the very reason I should never post here... because you can say exactly what you mean... but it doesn't matter. People will either make fun of what you post, or say you said something you never did.

Oh, come on Bro. Robbins, lighten up.

I think that's what most of us try to get you to do, but you take offense.

[Bro. Robbins]

Oh, come on Bro. Robbins, lighten up.

I think that's what most of us try to get you to do, but you take offense.

then maybe you should stop.... I'm perfectly content with who I am and my level of "seriousness". When I was a child I acted like a child, spake as a child, played childish games.... but when I became, I put away the childish behavior... and act like a man should. Life isn't about having fun....

[houston]

Offensive. Depends. Was she HWP or BBW?

[rgcraig]

then maybe you should stop.... I'm perfectly content with who I am and my level of "seriousness". When I was a child I acted like a child, spake as a child, played childish games.... but when I became, I put away the childish behavior... and act like a man should. Life isn't about having fun....

As I have said before, when you posted that, that makes me sad.

I believe Jesus had fun and joked around with his buddies - - having joy is fun!

[Michael Phelps]

Are you sure you want to say the word "attractive" is any better?

Here's Webster's take:

Attractive -
1. providing pleasure or delight, especially in appearance or manner; pleasing; charming; alluring: an attractive personality.
2. arousing interest or engaging one's thought, consideration, etc.: an attractive idea; an attractive price.
3. having the quality of attracting......

[Bro. Robbins]

As I have said before, when you posted that, that makes me sad.

I believe Jesus had fun and joked around with his buddies - - having joy is fun!

HUGE difference between joy and fun. And no, I do not believe Jesus or the disciples had fun and joked around once they were adults. They certainly did as children... but they knew the difference once becoming adults.

I have joy.... and a Christian should have joy... but life isn't about having fun.

[Michael Phelps]

then maybe you should stop.... I'm perfectly content with who I am and my level of "seriousness". When I was a child I acted like a child, spake as a child, played childish games.... but when I became, I put away the childish behavior... and act like a man should. Life isn't about having fun....

You know, I used to feel sorry for you when I read stuff like this......which was quite often, since you post it so frequently......but, now I'm just extremely grateful that I am not you.......and I don't say that to be offensive, I'm serious........

[rgcraig]

Are you sure you want to say the word "attractive" is any better?

Here's Webster's take:

Attractive -
1. providing pleasure or delight, especially in appearance or manner; pleasing; charming; alluring: an attractive personality.
2. arousing interest or engaging one's thought, consideration, etc.: an attractive idea; an attractive price.
3. having the quality of attracting......

Hmmmm......:nod

[Bro. Robbins]

[QUOTE=Bro. Robbins;1168416]then maybe you should stop.... I'm perfectly content with who I am and my level of "seriousness". When I was a child I acted like a child, spake as a child, played childish games.... but when I became, I put away the childish behavior... and act like a man should. Life isn't about having fun....QUOTE]


You know, I used to feel sorry for you when I read stuff like this......which was quite often, since you post it so frequently......but, now I'm just extremely grateful that I am not you.......and I don't say that to be offensive, I'm serious........



and I you Mr. Phelps.... I you.

[RandyWayne]

Oh, come on Bro. Robbins, lighten up.

I think that's what most of us try to get you to do, but you take offense.

then maybe you should stop.... I'm perfectly content with who I am and my level of "seriousness". When I was a child I acted like a child, spake as a child, played childish games.... but when I became, I put away the childish behavior... and act like a man should. Life isn't about having fun....

Somewhere in there is a happy wacky fun filled joker that people here are trying to bring out so you don't seem so miserable and dour all the time! I know it!

Knock knock
"Youuuuu ranggggg...?"
http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4938259498796145&id=b416fd9fd0537d599bb7316842cf2afb

[Bro. Robbins]

Are you sure you want to say the word "attractive" is any better?

Here's Webster's take:

Attractive -
1. providing pleasure or delight, especially in appearance or manner; pleasing; charming; alluring: an attractive personality.
2. arousing interest or engaging one's thought, consideration, etc.: an attractive idea; an attractive price.
3. having the quality of attracting......

Absolutely... I still find attractive to be a much better word than sexy.... what is lacking in your argument is taking not only into consideration the definition, but the connotation and the context.

[Michael Phelps]

HUGE difference between joy and fun. And no, I do not believe Jesus or the disciples had fun and joked around once they were adults. They certainly did as children... but they knew the difference once becoming adults.

I have joy.... and a Christian should have joy... but life isn't about having fun.


I don't think you have either. From the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks....and pretty much all you speak about is "giving this flesh the beating it deserves"......"life is not about having fun"......ad infinitum....

[Bro. Robbins]

Somewhere in there is a happy wacky fun filled joker that people here are trying to bring out so you don't seem so miserable and dour all the time! I know it!
http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4938259498796145&id=b416fd9fd0537d599bb7316842cf2afb

maybe in my flesh... but that is crucified....

[rgcraig]

HUGE difference between joy and fun. And no, I do not believe Jesus or the disciples had fun and joked around once they were adults. They certainly did as children... but they knew the difference once becoming adults.

I have joy.... and a Christian should have joy... but life isn't about having fun.

Couldn't disagree with you any more................

[aegsm76]

We have become intoxicated with entertainment and "fun".
Show me where the Bible instructs us to have fun, as part of our Christian walk.
There are a multitude of verses where we are instructed to be soberly minded.

[Michael Phelps]

Absolutely... I still find attractive to be a much better word than sexy.... what is lacking in your argument is taking not only into consideration the definition, but the connotation and the context.

Same could be said for "sexy"........one of the definitions for sexy is "appealing" or "glamorous"........same as attractive.......

[Michael Phelps]

[QUOTE=Michael Phelps;1168420]



and I you Mr. Phelps.... I you.

Fair enough.....

[Bro. Robbins]

I don't think you have either. From the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks....and pretty much all you speak about is "giving this flesh the beating it deserves"......"life is not about having fun"......ad infinitum....

I find great joy in saying those things.... and living according to the Word and as I feel led by the Holy Ghost. If you have issues with how I'm living my life, then I suggest you take it up with the Holy Ghost as I follow after the spirit.

Furthermore, I'm not a liar.... and unless you have proof that I am a liar, I would think you should take a brother at his word, and if he says he is content and has joy, then who are you to argue and doubt it?

Just because it doesn't fit in your definition or box.... hmmm.... same criticisms the liberal folks have of us conservative guys....

So, you all preach tolerance, but don't want to give it... IC... now I understand.

[aegsm76]

Here is what I call "fun".
God give us a heart for the lost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41GPCKc1rmM

[Bro. Robbins]

We have become intoxicated with entertainment and "fun".
Show me where the Bible instructs us to have fun, as part of our Christian walk.
There are a multitude of verses where we are instructed to be soberly minded.

Praise the Lord.... some sounds of sanity and clarity in this thread.

[Bro. Robbins]

Here is what I call "fun".
God give us a heart for the lost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41GPCKc1rmM

God help us to hear this message above the message of fun, entertainment, recreation and indulgence of the flesh. God give us burdens that keep us awake at night, make us push our plates away, and be broken before you over souls going to hell. God help this preacher to have such a love for you and souls that I don't look for my self indulgence, but for a way to show your love and righteousness. God help me to stand for righteousness and doing the right thing....not for clipping corners, compromising the Word and not be offended when challenged by the Word.

God help us to have broken hearts and find anquish again.

[RandyWayne]

We have become intoxicated with entertainment and "fun".
Show me where the Bible instructs us to have fun, as part of our Christian walk.
There are a multitude of verses where we are instructed to be soberly minded.

Well, there are quite literally millions of trillions of things that the Bible DOESN'T tell us to do, that we do.

It is the whole "trying to prove a negative" thing.

"Ohhhhhhhh I have joyyyyy unspeakable annnndddd fullllll of glorrrryyyyyyy.... Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"
http://www.addamsfamily.com/addams/lurch4.jpg

[houston]

We have become intoxicated with entertainment and "fun".
Show me where the Bible instructs us to have fun, as part of our Christian walk.
There are a multitude of verses where we are instructed to be soberly minded.

I agree. Used to be sober minded. No longer...

Look up "a," "muse," and "amuse."

[RandyWayne]

Speaking of being "sober", I am envisioning a certain "top shelf" tequila margarita at a Mexican restaurant close to our house. I would ask Pressing and Timmy to join me if they lived a bit closer.

[Amanah]

Honestly, I'm all for having fun, and believe that laughter is good medicine for the soul.
But, Bro Robbins is choosing the better, and I won't fault him for it.

Ecclesiates 7

The Contrast of Wisdom and Folly

7 A good name is better than precious ointment,
and the day of death than the day of birth.
2 It is better to go to the house of mourning
than to go to the house of feasting,
for this is the end of all mankind,
and the living will lay it to heart.
3 Sorrow is better than laughter,
for by sadness of face the heart is made glad.
4 The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning,
but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth.
5 It is better for a man to hear the rebuke of the wise
than to hear the song of fools.
6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot,
so is the laughter of the fools;
this also is vanity.[a]
7 Surely oppression drives the wise into madness,
and a bribe corrupts the heart.
8 Better is the end of a thing than its beginning,
and the patient in spirit is better than the proud in spirit.
9 Be not quick in your spirit to become angry,
for anger lodges in the heart[b] of fools.
10 Say not, “Why were the former days better than these?”
For it is not from wisdom that you ask this.
11 Wisdom is good with an inheritance,
an advantage to those who see the sun.
12 For the protection of wisdom is like the protection of money,
and the advantage of knowledge is that wisdom preserves the life of him who has it.
13 Consider the work of God:
who can make straight what he has made crooked?

14 In the day of prosperity be joyful, and in the day of adversity consider: God has made the one as well as the other, so that man may not find out anything that will be after him.

15 In my vain[c] life I have seen everything. There is a righteous man who perishes in his righteousness, and there is a wicked man who prolongs his life in his evildoing. 16 Be not overly righteous, and do not make yourself too wise. Why should you destroy yourself? 17 Be not overly wicked, neither be a fool. Why should you die before your time? 18 It is good that you should take hold of this, and from that withhold not your hand, for the one who fears God shall come out from both of them.

19 Wisdom gives strength to the wise man more than ten rulers who are in a city.

20 Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.

21 Do not take to heart all the things that people say, lest you hear your servant cursing you. 22 Your heart knows that many times you yourself have cursed others.

23 All this I have tested by wisdom. I said, “I will be wise,” but it was far from me. 24 That which has been is far off, and deep, very deep; who can find it out?

25 I turned my heart to know and to search out and to seek wisdom and the scheme of things, and to know the wickedness of folly and the foolishness that is madness. 26 And I find something more bitter than death: the woman whose heart is snares and nets, and whose hands are fetters. He who pleases God escapes her, but the sinner is taken by her. 27 Behold, this is what I found, says the Preacher, while adding one thing to another to find the scheme of things— 28 which my soul has sought repeatedly, but I have not found. One man among a thousand I found, but a woman among all these I have not found. 29 See, this alone I found, that God made man upright, but they have sought out many schemes.

[CC1]

There are many times I am offended by what others wear... men and women... and I overlook it.

This statement you made intrigues me! Can you give some examples as to what men have worn to work that offends you?

[rgcraig]

This statement you made intrigues me! Can you give some examples as to what men have worn to work that offends you?

Pick me, I know!

He's offended if they wear jeans and a t-shirt outside of the house. No, seriously.

[rgcraig]

Honestly, I'm all for having fun, and believe that laughter is good medicine for the soul.
But, Bro Robbins is choosing the better, and I won't fault him for it.

Ecclesiates 7

The Contrast of Wisdom and Folly

7 A good name is better than precious ointment,
and the day of death than the day of birth.
2 It is better to go to the house of mourning
than to go to the house of feasting,
for this is the end of all mankind,
and the living will lay it to heart.
3 Sorrow is better than laughter,
for by sadness of face the heart is made glad.
4 The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning,
but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth.
5 It is better for a man to hear the rebuke of the wise
than to hear the song of fools.
6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot,
so is the laughter of the fools;
this also is vanity.[a]
7 Surely oppression drives the wise into madness,
and a bribe corrupts the heart.
8 Better is the end of a thing than its beginning,
and the patient in spirit is better than the proud in spirit.
9 Be not quick in your spirit to become angry,
for anger lodges in the heart[b] of fools.
10 Say not, “Why were the former days better than these?”
For it is not from wisdom that you ask this.
11 Wisdom is good with an inheritance,
an advantage to those who see the sun.
12 For the protection of wisdom is like the protection of money,
and the advantage of knowledge is that wisdom preserves the life of him who has it.
13 Consider the work of God:
who can make straight what he has made crooked?

14 In the day of prosperity be joyful, and in the day of adversity consider: God has made the one as well as the other, so that man may not find out anything that will be after him.

15 In my vain[c] life I have seen everything. There is a righteous man who perishes in his righteousness, and there is a wicked man who prolongs his life in his evildoing. 16 Be not overly righteous, and do not make yourself too wise. Why should you destroy yourself? 17 Be not overly wicked, neither be a fool. Why should you die before your time? 18 It is good that you should take hold of this, and from that withhold not your hand, for the one who fears God shall come out from both of them.

19 Wisdom gives strength to the wise man more than ten rulers who are in a city.

20 Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.

21 Do not take to heart all the things that people say, lest you hear your servant cursing you. 22 Your heart knows that many times you yourself have cursed others.

23 All this I have tested by wisdom. I said, “I will be wise,” but it was far from me. 24 That which has been is far off, and deep, very deep; who can find it out?

25 I turned my heart to know and to search out and to seek wisdom and the scheme of things, and to know the wickedness of folly and the foolishness that is madness. 26 And I find something more bitter than death: the woman whose heart is snares and nets, and whose hands are fetters. He who pleases God escapes her, but the sinner is taken by her. 27 Behold, this is what I found, says the Preacher, while adding one thing to another to find the scheme of things— 28 which my soul has sought repeatedly, but I have not found. One man among a thousand I found, but a woman among all these I have not found. 29 See, this alone I found, that God made man upright, but they have sought out many schemes.

But....what about Ecclesiastes— There’s a time to plant, a time to reap, a time to build, a time to tear down; there’s a time to dance, a time to sing, a time to laugh, a time to cry.

Since God has, in his seasons, appointed appropriate times for laughter, and Jesus always did what was appropriate, it would seem to me that when it was time to laugh, he laughed.

[CC1]

She is attractive, and modest... except for what looks like make-up on her face.... but she is not sexy.

It is sad that you think make-up makes someone not attractive or modest. Like many things it should depend on how much and how it is applied.

Make-up in moderation can make a woman more attractive while still being modest. Obviously the Tammy Faye Bakker / Jan Crouch looks is NOT attractive nor makeup in moderation.

[Amanah]

This statement you made intrigues me! Can you give some examples as to what men have worn to work that offends you?

I know this wasn't addressed to me, but jeans that fall below a persons butt crack when they are bent over somewhat offends me.

Coming to work on a Sat in short short with no undies on and sitting across from me in a chair with the ankle of one leg resting on the knee of the other leg, well, offends me.

[CC1]

Pick me, I know!

He's offended if they wear jeans and a t-shirt outside of the house. No, seriously.

That is what I am afraid of. His answer will tell me whether he is a reasonable person or just some extremist religious wacko. If he is that there is no point in discussing this subject with him since his starting point is so far out in left field you need the Hubble telescope to find it.

[rgcraig]

That is what I am afraid of. His answer will tell me whether he is a reasonable person or just some extremist religious wacko. If he is that there is no point in discussing this subject with him since his starting point is so far out in left field you need the Hubble telescope to find it.

He actually has already stated that in another thread.

[Amanah]

But....what about Ecclesiastes— There’s a time to plant, a time to reap, a time to build, a time to tear down; there’s a time to dance, a time to sing, a time to laugh, a time to cry.

Since God has, in his seasons, appointed appropriate times for laughter, and Jesus always did what was appropriate, it would seem to me that when it was time to laugh, he laughed.

I never said we should not laugh, I just don't fault Bro Robbins for choosing to be serious.

[rgcraig]

I never said we should not laugh, I just don't fault Bro Robbins for choosing to be serious.

I don't fault him either, but to say that Jesus never had fun - - don't believe it.

[RandyWayne]

It is sad that you think make-up makes someone not attractive or modest. Like many things it should depend on how much and how it is applied.

Make-up in moderation can make a woman more attractive while still being modest. Obviously the Tammy Faye Bakker / Jan Crouch looks is NOT attractive nor makeup in moderation.

Nor is it sexy!

[Michael Phelps]

I find great joy in saying those things.... and living according to the Word and as I feel led by the Holy Ghost. If you have issues with how I'm living my life, then I suggest you take it up with the Holy Ghost as I follow after the spirit.

Furthermore, I'm not a liar.... and unless you have proof that I am a liar, I would think you should take a brother at his word, and if he says he is content and has joy, then who are you to argue and doubt it?

Just because it doesn't fit in your definition or box.... hmmm.... same criticisms the liberal folks have of us conservative guys....

So, you all preach tolerance, but don't want to give it... IC... now I understand.

I'm not saying your a liar. I think you truly believe that you have joy. All I'm saying is that your words betray you...........but, if this lifestyle gives you a feeling of joy, then I'm happy for you.

But, you really get defensive when someone questions it, which is another blatant indicator that you're trying to convince yourself...........

[tv1a]

Someone suggested my wife and I see a counselor because I said she would knock me up side the head if I went into details about someone's "sexy" outfit and how they looked in it. My marriage is rock solid. I believe my wife should be concerned if I was able describe in detail a person's outfit and what was showing and what wasn't showing. No one should be staring at a person long enough to be describing the most intimate parts of the person's anatomy. Unless a person is a pro, it takes more than a quick glance to accurately describe the scene. I wonder how much of the initial post was reality and how much was creative license. The phrase "I couldn't help myself from looking" should send a warning signal that the flesh needs calibrated to be more in line with the Spirit.

[RandyWayne]

I'm not saying your a liar. I think you truly believe that you have joy. All I'm saying is that your words betray you...........but, if this lifestyle gives you a feeling of joy, then I'm happy for you.

But, you really get defensive when someone questions it, which is another blatant indicator that you're trying to convince yourself...........

Like I said......


"Ohhhhhhhh I have joyyyyy unspeakable annnndddd fullllll of glorrrryyyyyyy.... Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"
http://www.addamsfamily.com/addams/lurch4.jpg

[RandyWayne]

I never said we should not laugh, I just don't fault Bro Robbins for choosing to be serious.

I DO fault him, to a certain extent. It is one thing to say "I'm serious! Don't kid with me!" (to which he will undoubtedly say I put words in his mouth again), and quite another to say "I'm serious! And it is a sin if you aren't too!" (to which he will ALSO say I put words in his mouth).

And while I admit I could be wrong, I am also under the impression that working with him must be like having Dwight Schrute as a fellow employee. Always serious and ready to turn you in for something, but also very very easy to play gags on! LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RB8Ygn9Ty0

[RandyWayne]

maybe in my flesh... but that is crucified....

Well to be consistent I hope you only eat food you hate, lest you actually enjoy it. I hope you only wear cloths which itch and scratch, lest they be comfortable. I hope you keep your air either too cold or too warm, lest you sleep too well at night.

I AM joking here but the sad part is is that you may not think I am, and actually agree with me.

[RandyWayne]

I don't fault him either, but to say that Jesus never had fun - - don't believe it.

The crazy thing is is that I could see Jesus laugh while watching this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzcLQRXW6B0

[Amanah]

The original topic of this thread was about a woman who dressed inapropriately in the workplace, and whether it was offensive or not. Maybe "girls just wanna have fun," but are not aware that they are being objectified by those viewing their display?

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/19/women.bikinis.objects/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

[houston]

Women want the attention but don't want to be touched. You don't take a boy to the toy store tell him that he can't touch what's on display. Sorry .. off topic.

[RandyWayne]

Women want the attention but don't want to be touched. You don't take a boy to the toy store tell him that he can't touch what's on display. Sorry .. off topic.

A quote worthy of Rhoda Morgensterns mother.
http://images.tvrage.com/shows/5/4997.jpg

[MissBrattified]

Women want the attention but don't want to be touched. You don't take a boy to the toy store tell him that he can't touch what's on display. Sorry .. off topic.

No, but you can tell a Christian man that.... :) In reality, we have already instructed our son that even though some women are immodest with their clothing choices, he has to be modest with his eyes. If a woman is immodest, then you have to be modest and look away. Whether a woman is "asking" for it is irrelevant to the conversation; a Christian man's modesty isn't determined by the company he's in.

Respecting women can and should be taught, and it shouldn't be reserved for respectable women. A gentleman shows respect to ALL women, regardless of whether they deserve it or not.

[RandyWayne]

No, but you can tell a Christian man that.... :) In reality, we have already instructed our son that even though some women are immodest with their clothing choices, he has to be modest with his eyes. If a woman is immodest, then you have to be modest and look away. Whether a woman is "asking" for it is irrelevant to the conversation; a Christian man's modesty isn't determined by the company he's in.

Respecting women can and should be taught, and it shouldn't be reserved for respectable women. A gentleman shows respect to ALL women, regardless of whether they deserve it or not.

And if he really respects them, he turns them into HR. For their own good ya understand..... :heeheehee

[MissBrattified]

And if he really respects them, he turns them into HR. For their own good ya understand..... :heeheehee

I don't even know what HR stands for and I still sense that you deserve this: :smack

:D

[RandyWayne]

I don't even know what HR stands for and I still sense that you deserve this: :smack

:D

Human Resources. The department you would rat out another employee too.

[SiblingRevelry]

Women want the attention but don't want to be touched. You don't take a boy to the toy store tell him that he can't touch what's on display. Sorry .. off topic.

My mother used to tell us to keep our eyes to ourselves. One of my friends learned from the nuns at Catholic school about "custody of the eyes." I think it's the same thing--basically, just because it's on display does not mean you have to stand there and ogle it.

As a girl, I used to have to chase after my younger sister in the department stores, where she was lingering looking at some display or another, as my mom was riding herd on my younger brother. Drove me crazy, it did.

[CC1]

This statement you made intrigues me! Can you give some examples as to what men have worn to work that offends you?

Bro Robbins, I am quoting myself above since you have not responded to my post several pages ago. It may be that you just have not seen it so I thought I would bump it.

[houston]

Bro Robbins, I am quoting myself above since you have not responded to my post several pages ago. It may be that you just have not seen it so I thought I would bump it.

Man....really. denim jeans offend him.

[AreYouReady?]

Yeah, and the bigger the assets the smaller a male's brain becomes.

:lol :thumbsup :yourock

[RandyWayne]

:lol :thumbsup :yourock

I think Cindy has watched too many episodes of Married With Children. LOL

[OnTheFritz]

I find stupid much more offensive than sexy. I'm highly offended by some of these posts. ;)

[Arphaxad]

I'm too sexy for this thread.

:doggyrun

[RandyWayne]

I'm too sexy for this thread.

:doggyrun

"......to sexy for this thread."

[CC1]

Man....really. denim jeans offend him.

Then he is going to spend his life being offended a LOT!!!:icecream

[Timmy]

Then he is going to spend his life being offended a LOT!!!:icecream

I think that's his equivalent to fun. :thumbsup

[MissBrattified]

"Great peace have they who love your law, and nothing can make them stumble." Psalm 119:165, NIV

Don't be so troubled by what others do. It's a waste of time.

[Hoovie]

"Great peace have they who love your law, and nothing can make them stumble." Psalm 119:165, NIV

Don't be so troubled by what others do. It's a waste of time.

Amen. It also, tends to blind us from much good that is done in Jesus name. I wholly have come to realize my measuring stick can be off.:nod

[tv1a]

Today's kids have "I'm Sexy and I Know It".

I'm too sexy for this thread.

:doggyrun

[tv1a]

This clip is from the documentary Furious Love. Powerful piece about taking Jesus to the people. Former upci member Gregory Boyd makes an appearance in the clip.

http://youtu.be/_6-89-O55hM

[houston]

Today's kids have "I'm Sexy and I Know It".



<3 that song

[tv1a]

Anyone who claims to be a christian needs to watch Furious Love.

[tv1a]

I never understood why it's a sin to wear short sleeve shirts. Was there a time people were aroused by visible elbows?

[aegsm76]

I have never heard anyone say it was a sin to wear short sleeve clothing.
I have been in churches who do ask their members to not wear it.
The practical reason given is that with some short sleeves on females you can see more than you wish if they raise their arms.
Which is true.

[CC1]

I have never heard anyone say it was a sin to wear short sleeve clothing.
I have been in churches who do ask their members to not wear it.
The practical reason given is that with some short sleeves on females you can see more than you wish if they raise their arms.
Which is true.

May I introduce you to Elder Epley and a bazillion other ultra cons who do think it is is sin!

[Michael Phelps]

"Great peace have they who love your law, and nothing can make them stumble." Psalm 119:165, NIV

Don't be so troubled by what others do. It's a waste of time.

:thumbsup

[aegsm76]

May I introduce you to Elder Epley and a bazillion other ultra cons who do think it is is sin!

In some ways I am as ultra-con as they come!!!
Our church associates with both WPF and UPC.
The pastor I grew up with was one of the driving forces behind the affirmation statement, in the UPC.
My previous pastor was one of the first to break with the UPC, due to the tv issue.
However, I have still never heard a preacher say this...

[tv1a]

I don't know if I'm skeptical or surprised you aren't aware of the short sleeve doctrine.

In some ways I am as ultra-con as they come!!!
Our church associates with both WPF and UPC.
The pastor I grew up with was one of the driving forces behind the affirmation statement, in the UPC.
My previous pastor was one of the first to break with the UPC, due to the tv issue.
However, I have still never heard a preacher say this...

[aegsm76]

I don't know if I'm skeptical or surprised you aren't aware of the short sleeve doctrine.

I am very aware of it.
Just have not heard short sleeves called a sin from the pulpit.

[Bro. Robbins]

well... someone asked why I hadn't responded... I haven't been on since Friday... so this morning was the first time I had a chance to read and respond.

In regards to the men... you have to understand the setting I work in, it's quite different than a corporate setting. I work for a large University with a large Medical Center. Typically there is a line between the two entities, but in my job, it's blurred. I work in Cancer Research, therefore there are a smattering of graduate students, many that are foreign, who work on my floor. Not in my department or division, but on my floor. Also, the Medical Center departments enforce the dress code to the letter of the law. While the University is quite leniant and even ignores the same dress code policy for anyone receiving a check (which graduate research students do).

There are some of the young men in the research areas that wear shorts on the floor... which I don't approve of as a Christian. But none of this thread has to do with my convictions as a Christian, but in a business sense. I'm in management, shorts are against the rules. I don't allow shorts on my team... however my staff see other employees, under the same rules, not being forced to go home and change. So our HR policy is to not report them to HR, but that we are to go to the manager of the offending employee... which is what I do.

Now, another poster is to a small extent taking out of context what I said regarding t-shirts and denim jeans. They have no place here at work because they are against the dress code. But in society as a whole, there is a place for denim. I will wear them when working in my yard, or a quick run to a convenient store, etc.... but they are definately not my clothing of choice by any means.... oh, and I won't wear a t-shirt anywhere but at home. To me a t-shirt is an undergarment...way too casual for out in public... and that has nothing to do with conviction or being a Christian, just my feelings toward t-shirts in public.

His citing an earlier thread was where I was stating that society was way too casual, and that it did offend me (not as a Christian, but just as a person and it's inappropriateness) of people wearing jeans out to dinner, shopping, etc.

You folks have to understand... I had many of these feelings about dress and what is appropriate long before ever becoming Apostolic. I had issues with shorts, denim being worn too frequent, over casualness in appearance... and just overall people not knowing what is appropriate in a sophisticated society long before being a Christian.

Lastly... I am a fuddy duddy. I am an extremely serious person, and was long before ever being Apostolic. The dear brother that believes my demeanor is somehow a way to punish myself and is tied only to my walk as a Christian is really mistaken. I was like this long before even becoming a Christian. Even as a child, I didn't enjoy the things that most children found enjoyable as recreation. I would rather be working on chores any day and doing those types of things than playing like most of my friends. I preferred to wear suits and tie to church as a child, even when my dad has never worn a tie and my friends despised being placed in a suit. I would always beg my teachers to stay in at recess and work on extra assignments when in elementary school.... so it's really just the fiber of how I'm made.

[Dagwood]

#1, It probably wouldn't take me, as a male, long to figure out someone dressed in the manner BR described was violating some sort of universal dress code rule, especially in the workplace. During my days of working in the office, there was one particular female who got eyes turned from nearly everyone who saw her. Even if only for a second, one could tell her shirt and skirts were too revealing. Pardon the detailed description, but it's pretty bad when her cleavage (easily blocking her view of her feet) would wiggle and bounce so much she was constantly pulling her shirt up. The same thing happened when she was walking in such short skirts. Since I haven't worked in the office in quite some time, I have no idea if she's still an employee. I can only hope she was talked to by the appropriate people before further action was taken.

#2, I agree that some people dress provocative because they know somone will be looking, whether to entice or not. It's bound to happen. It's modern society. Do I agree with it? Absolutely not. However, I will refrain from repeat glances knowing my eyes have no business feasting on such sights any longer. After all, I'm a married Christian man.

#3, I firmly believe what one displays as provocative is, in disguise, a cry out for attention of some kind, whether the kind they are looking for is Jesus or not. I mean, I think we all need to think back (for those of us non-established church-goers) to when we were hungry and searching for something. While maybe not this degree, I do believe we were all hungry for something and didn't know what at the time. But, when we knew what satisfied our hunger, we remembered it and have kept feeding ourselves since. At least I hope (I'm talking about Jesus here).

#4, The most important thing for all of us to remember: be a witness, not a trouble-maker. If one is provoking something over and over, I would probably wait and see if the situation takes care of itself (i.e., others do the telling-on and the correction happens as a result). God sees both sides, the provocateur and the provoked. He'll take care of whatever needs to happen in order for His will to be done, even in a corporate and/or public setting.