george zimmerman molested 9 year old

[darrmad]

This is the sick murdering pedophile that republicans and fox news loves so much.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-16/news/os-george-zimmerman-jail-phone-calls-20120716_1_trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-shellie-zimmerman

Witness 9' tells prosecutors Zimmerman molested her for years
By Jeff Weiner and Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel


11:36 p.m. EST, July 16, 2012

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The words of "Witness 9" were dramatic: Murder suspect George Zimmerman sexually abused me for years when we were children, she told prosecutors.

Although her allegation is damning, it likely will play no role in Zimmerman's second-degree-murder trial, defense lawyers agreed Monday.

[Esaias]

If the allegation is true, then he is a scum bag.

But it has ZERO to do with him shooting doper wanna-be thug Trayvon in self defense, which is the ISSUE at hand in the case.

[Esaias]

Murder suspect George Zimmerman sexually abused me for years when we were children, she told prosecutors.



So he was a child at the time, as well?

One kid messing with another kid?

How many years ago?

Not excusing the behaviour, but failing to see any relevance whatsoever to the current issue.

[Dordrecht]

They were children at the time.
Will have no effect on the case at all.

[Sam]

so an 8 year old boy and a 6 year old girl engage in some sexual exploration that continues on into their teen years? bfd.

From some of the other stuff from witness no. 9, doesn't sound like she has much credibility.

Sounds like racism to me. Blacks (Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, Barack Obama, Spike Lee and others of their ilk) vs an Hispanic (George Zimmerman)

[Jermyn Davidson]

so an 8 year old boy and a 6 year old girl engage in some sexual exploration that continues on into their teen years? bfd.

From some of the other stuff from witness no. 9, doesn't sound like she has much credibility.

Sounds like racism to me. Blacks (Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, Barack Obama, Spike Lee and others of their ilk) vs an Hispanic (George Zimmerman)

Sam,

What do Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, Barack Obama, Spike Lee have in common?

[Dordrecht]

They are wackos? (spelling?)

[scotty]

Sam,

What do Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, Barack Obama, Spike Lee have in common?

They all want a socialist country/government.

[Dordrecht]

They all want a socialist country/government.

That's what I just said...wacko's!

Leftwing wacko's (spelling?)

[Praxeas]

If the allegation is true, then he is a scum bag.

But it has ZERO to do with him shooting doper wanna-be thug Trayvon in self defense, which is the ISSUE at hand in the case.
And the fact it is surfacing now after ALL these years with no corroborating evidence or testimonies

[Praxeas]

So he was a child at the time, as well?

One kid messing with another kid?

How many years ago?

Not excusing the behaviour, but failing to see any relevance whatsoever to the current issue.
he was supposedly a year or 2 older

This ended around the age of 15-16 if I recall so this was quite a few years ago

[Praxeas]

Sam,

What do Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, Barack Obama, Spike Lee have in common?
Leftist politics!

[BroJoe]

Absolutely zero credibility. This so called witness 9 has nothing to do with this case. However, due to my experience in the legal field, the prosecution will look at this as a person who can describe Zimmerman's mental state and his basic MO. They will absolutely want to use this witness, no doubt. It'll be up to the judge whether or not they will be allowed.

My opinion on this case as whole:

If his testimony matches up with the way he described it in the beginning, that he feared for his life, that he feared great bodily harm, etc, then he will get off...

The way the stand your ground law is defined in florida is such as this:

2011 Florida Statutes CHAPTER 776 JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE[22]

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

If he believed this, and stated such in the beginning. Case closed. Jury will have no choice but to follow the wording of state law.

[tstew]

This testimony is far less relevant to me than what I read from his former co-worker as to why he was fired as a security guard...

[tstew]

Absolutely zero credibility. This so called witness 9 has nothing to do with this case. However, due to my experience in the legal field, the prosecution will look at this as a person who can describe Zimmerman's mental state and his basic MO. They will absolutely want to use this witness, no doubt. It'll be up to the judge whether or not they will be allowed.

My opinion on this case as whole:

If his testimony matches up with the way he described it in the beginning, that he feared for his life, that he feared great bodily harm, etc, then he will get off...

The way the stand your ground law is defined in florida is such as this:

2011 Florida Statutes CHAPTER 776 JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE[22]

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

If he believed this, and stated such in the beginning. Case closed. Jury will have no choice but to follow the wording of state law.

I'm just not sure how you go from actively pursuing for no cause to arguing the lack of a duty to retreat...

[Praxeas]

I'm just not sure how you go from actively pursuing for no cause to arguing the lack of a duty to retreat...
He was wrong to follow the kid. However is that grounds for the kid to physically attack...if that is what happened? No

that is the problem with the prosecutions case, since the only witness is GZ, he should be found innocent of the current charge

I believe the prosecutor should have charged a lessor crime but due to emotions went for the whole shebang. I believe the prosecution expects the jury to judge on emotions not facts

[MissBrattified]

1. This isn't relevant to the current case.

2. If this happened while they were BOTH children, I'm not sure how the law would even apply. Lots of kids "play doctor" or explore sexually.

3. Even if it were proven that Zimmerman molested her, could he be prosecuted for something he did as a minor child and wouldn't a statute of limitations kick in somewhere?

IMO, this is a smear campaign and not worthy of anyone's serious attention.

[MissBrattified]

This testimony is far less relevant to me than what I read from his former co-worker as to why he was fired as a security guard...

I completely agree. :thumbsup

[tstew]

He was wrong to follow the kid. However is that grounds for the kid to physically attack...if that is what happened? No

that is the problem with the prosecutions case, since the only witness is GZ, he should be found innocent of the current charge

I believe the prosecutor should have charged a lessor crime but due to emotions went for the whole shebang. I believe the prosecution expects the jury to judge on emotions not facts

Prax, as I've said before, following is fundamentally different from pursuing. At the point when he was in his car, on the phone with 911, I think you could argue he was following. At the point when the kid runs and he gets out armed and gives chase, he is pursuing. If an armed man is pursuing you for no reason, at what point can the one being pursued invoke the stand your ground law as justification to physically engage? You say that chasing a kid with a weapon is not reason for him to physically attack, but you easily accept that the one doing the chasing had reason to use deadly force? Something there does not compute with me...and it has nothing to do with race.

[BeenThinkin]

This is the sick murdering pedophile that republicans and fox news loves so much.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-16/news/os-george-zimmerman-jail-phone-calls-20120716_1_trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-shellie-zimmerman

Witness 9' tells prosecutors Zimmerman molested her for years
By Jeff Weiner and Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel


11:36 p.m. EST, July 16, 2012

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The words of "Witness 9" were dramatic: Murder suspect George Zimmerman sexually abused me for years when we were children, she told prosecutors.

Although her allegation is damning, it likely will play no role in Zimmerman's second-degree-murder trial, defense lawyers agreed Monday.



How do you know this?

Been Thinkin

[BroJoe]

I'm just not sure how you go from actively pursuing for no cause to arguing the lack of a duty to retreat...
He says he was crossing over the street when told to stop pursuing and await arrival of officers.

If this lines up with the eye-witness and his original documented statement to police, the dude is getting off.

[BroJoe]

If an armed man is pursuing you for no reason, at what point can the one being pursued invoke the stand your ground law as justification to physically engage? You say that chasing a kid with a weapon is not reason for him to physically attack, but you easily accept that the one doing the chasing had reason to use deadly force? Something there does not compute with me...and it has nothing to do with race.

If someone were chasing you, with a gun, would you stop and engage that person with the gun? No. You wouldn't. You'd run for dear life, if in fact, you hadn't done anything and were just walking through the neighborhood.

So, logically, we can assume that Trayvon didn't in fact know the man had a gun.

Following, pursuing, whatever you want to call it, the point is that at some point these two got into a physical altercation. From Zimmerman's testimony, it was trayvon who engaged him first. If this is true...case dismissed, under the wording of the law in that state.

[canam]

So he was a child at the time, as well?

One kid messing with another kid?

How many years ago?

Not excusing the behaviour, but failing to see any relevance whatsoever to the current issue.

Exactly this is a total crock one was 8 the other was 9 and he beleiev it or not kissed her and touched her puh leeze !!!!

[Sam]

Sam,

What do Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, Barack Obama, Spike Lee have in common?

in my opinion, they are all racists


now, I realize that it is not politically correct to say that black people can be racists but.....
I think they can.

Black people some times claim that black people cannot be racist.
Some people in order to be pc say that only white people can be racist.
maybe I am using the term racist to mean "prejudiced"

From the public pronouncements that I have heard from Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, Barack Obama, and Spike Lee they spew vitriol against "white" folks and justify anything that "black" folks do or say.

[canam]

This testimony is far less relevant to me than what I read from his former co-worker as to why he was fired as a security guard...

doesnt matter stew, what matters is the law, it wont reach a jury in mo,he can be ajerk ,a nasty person arrogant overbearing even a racist doesnt matter ,its called STAND YOUR GROUND he was getting his head slammed on ground ive seen the pics, game over, dismissed.

[Baron1710]

This is the sick murdering pedophile that republicans and fox news loves so much.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-16/news/os-george-zimmerman-jail-phone-calls-20120716_1_trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-shellie-zimmerman

Witness 9' tells prosecutors Zimmerman molested her for years
By Jeff Weiner and Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel


11:36 p.m. EST, July 16, 2012

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The words of "Witness 9" were dramatic: Murder suspect George Zimmerman sexually abused me for years when we were children, she told prosecutors.

Although her allegation is damning, it likely will play no role in Zimmerman's second-degree-murder trial, defense lawyers agreed Monday.

What a stupid post. A child by definition cannot be a pedophile.

[tstew]

Sigh...I'm not going to keep beating this dead horse, but I will try one last time to make some of you step back and be more objective. All I'm asking is why anyone would take Zimmerman's word alone that he was pursued and attacked and therefore justified in killing, but completely and outrightly reject the possibility that whatever Trayvon did physically was because he was pursued and cornered. The only purely objective evidence (the recording) clearly has Trayvon attempting to flee and an angry Zimmerman pursuing. That is undebatable.
The other evidence (where the actual attack took place in relation to his truck among other) does not give rise to this absolute conviction that Zimmerman was the only one justified in standing his ground.
Once again, I did not form any opinion at all about this case until I heard the recording. If the races were reversed or if both were the same race, nothing would change my impression of what I heard.

[tstew]

doesnt matter stew, what matters is the law, it wont reach a jury in mo,he can be ajerk ,a nasty person arrogant overbearing even a racist doesnt matter ,its called STAND YOUR GROUND he was getting his head slammed on ground ive seen the pics, game over, dismissed.

I think when you are trying to piece together events and his credibility is central, some of those things do matter. Particularly if the testimony of the security company employee holds up. That paints him as a pseudo, tough-guy wanna-be cop who is prone to unnecessary and unprovoked violence and over-reaching in his "authority".

[oufan59]

in my opinion, they are all racists


now, I realize that it is not politically correct to say that black people can be racists but.....
I think they can.

Black people some times claim that black people cannot be racist.
Some people in order to be pc say that only white people can be racist.
maybe I am using the term racist to mean "prejudiced"

From the public pronouncements that I have heard from Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, Barack Obama, and Spike Lee they spew vitriol against "white" folks and justify anything that "black" folks do or say.

Why can't people at least be honest and tell the truth. If the situation was reversed and it was Trayvon Martin who had shot George Zimmerman, there is no way the police would have released Trayvon Martin with no charges filed. This is an example of racism alive and well in the United States. By the way, I am white. Racism is also why so many so-called christians hate President Obama and everything he tries to do. "I want my country to go back to how things used to be" are just code words for "We need a white President.

[Baron1710]

Why can't people at least be honest and tell the truth. If the situation was reversed and it was Trayvon Martin who had shot George Zimmerman, there is no way the police would have released Trayvon Martin with no charges filed. This is an example of racism alive and well in the United States. By the way, I am white. Racism is also why so many so-called christians hate President Obama and everything he tries to do. "I want my country to go back to how things used to be" are just code words for "We need a white President.

Or maybe we despise his policies. No, we must all be racist for disagreeing with the dictator-in-chief.

[Sam]

Or maybe we despise his policies. No, we must all be racist for disagreeing with the dictator-in-chief.

In my opinion, it is another manifestation of racism to call someone a racist because they disagree with Barack Obama. He is obviously inept and in way over his head and as he clumsily thrashes around with his socialist policies and his obvious disdain for the legislative and judicial branches of government as he attempts to rule as an emperor, if we criticize or disagree immediately he and others shrilly scream that it's only because of his race.

[KeptByTheWord]

In my opinion, it is another manifestation of racism to call someone a racist because they disagree with Barack Obama. He is obviously inept and in way over his head and as he clumsily thrashes around with his socialist policies and his obvious disdain for the legislative and judicial branches of government as he attempts to rule as an emperor, if we criticize or disagree immediately he and others shrilly scream that it's only because of his race.

Racism works to Obama's advantage, and that is why he pulls that card and others in agreement with him, and they use it at every opportunity. It works.... to his advantage, but NOT to the advantage of this country.

He is the emperor running around naked thinking no one but him knows.... and thinking he has us all fooled into believing his lies.

I am not "into" politics, because I can't find any evidence whatsoever that Jesus or any of his disciples ever engaged in the politics of the day....

but I just had to say that what this man is doing is outrageous, and the American people have a right to be frustrated with the methods he is using to beat down our country until none of us have any freedoms left to worship God. Because that is indeed where I think all of this is headed.

And yet, I know God is at the forefront of it all, allowing every bit of it to take place, because He could stop it at any moment if He should so choose, but He hasn't....

It is not a time for believers to cower down and scratch their heads, and wonder what to do.

It is a time to rise up in prayer, and intercession as never before. We are about to see things unfold that this country has never seen.... the handwriting is on the wall.... and my ONLY hope is NOT IN A MAN - not Obama, not Romney, not any other man/woman alive... but my HOPE is in JESUS.

This world has been in a wild mess before, time, and time, and time again... but this time, it just happens to be "our world"... America as we know it.

If there ever was a time for us to find our authority, and power in Christ, that time is now, because no doubt we are going to need it right here in America.... This time it is not somewhere far away where we can just ignore the shots being fired, in other places around the world such as in Germany, now Syria, and Israel... but here in this beloved land of freedom... we will no doubt soon begin to feel the effects of a nation who has left her God behind, and God has a way of showing those nations exactly who HE is.

The handwriting is on the wall, all signs are pointing to great turmoil and misery not too far in the future... and for many, it has already begun with loss of jobs, broken economy, a terrible drought, and wicked weather...

Well... I've had my say, and probaby said more than enough.... but I really can't say it enough .... that my hope is in Christ, and ALL other ground is sinking sand.

And while I've said too much, I'll just say this.... you can no doubt count on Obama being our next president....

[oufan59]

Or maybe we despise his policies. No, we must all be racist for disagreeing with the dictator-in-chief.

Despise his policies all you want, but if you are going to call him a dictator-in-chief, what do you calll George W. Bush? If you got your news from sources other than Fox News, you would know that Bush and Cheney pushed for an Imperial Presidency with the Executive Branch getting more and more power. Check and see how many times Bush used executive orders to bypass congress. President Obama has not even come close to issuing as many executive orders as President Bush. By the way, didn't Jesus tell his disciples that he didn't come to Earth to set up a Kingdom but to save the lost? Was Jesus just kidding, or do Christians today not believe the Bible or Jesus' teachings?

[tstew]

In my opinion, it is another manifestation of racism to call someone a racist because they disagree with Barack Obama. He is obviously inept and in way over his head and as he clumsily thrashes around with his socialist policies and his obvious disdain for the legislative and judicial branches of government as he attempts to rule as an emperor, if we criticize or disagree immediately he and others shrilly scream that it's only because of his race.

To be fair, it happens both ways. I have seen many people accuse others of only supporting him because he is black even though they insist it is not so....

[Dordrecht]

To be fair, it happens both ways. I have seen many people accuse others of only supporting him because he is black even though they insist it is not so....

That's how that communist was elected into the White House.

[oufan59]

Absolutely zero credibility. This so called witness 9 has nothing to do with this case. However, due to my experience in the legal field, the prosecution will look at this as a person who can describe Zimmerman's mental state and his basic MO. They will absolutely want to use this witness, no doubt. It'll be up to the judge whether or not they will be allowed.

My opinion on this case as whole:

If his testimony matches up with the way he described it in the beginning, that he feared for his life, that he feared great bodily harm, etc, then he will get off...

The way the stand your ground law is defined in florida is such as this:

2011 Florida Statutes CHAPTER 776 JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE[22]

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

If he believed this, and stated such in the beginning. Case closed. Jury will have no choice but to follow the wording of state law.

Don't forget that while you are questioning the truthfulness of witnesses that George Zimmerman and his wife are the only people in the case who are proven liars. They are the ones who testified under oath in a court hearing that they had no money and qualified for indigent legal representation, which has been proven to be a lie.

[oufan59]

That's how that communist was elected into the White House.

If the president is a communist or a socialist, he is the worst socialist and communist that ever existed. Please give a few examples of communist or socialist policies that the President has put into practice.

[MissBrattified]

The title of this thread is VERY misleading. It should read, "As A Child, George Zimmerman and His Friend 'Played Doctor'", or something similar.

To write the title as darrmad did is to deliberately make it sound like George Zimmerman, THE ADULT, molested a 9 year old. Sloppy Journalism 101.

[tstew]

I'm just curious if anybody has any thoughts about this. Is this relevant? Would some of you be referencing this if you were "on Martin's side"?:

The New York Daily News reports the former co-worker saying Zimmerman — who made between $50 and $100 a night — was fired from his job as a security guard in 2005 for “being too aggressive.” Usually “he was just a cool guy,” he said. “He liked to drink and hang with the women like the rest of us. But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When the dude snapped, he snapped.” From the report:

He had a temper and he became a liability. One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted. It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.
While the source conceded that Zimmerman “loved being in charge” and “loved the power,” he said. “Still, I could never see him killing someone. Never.”

The story notes that, also in 2005, Zimmerman “was arrested for fighting with a cop trying to arrest his friend for underage drinking, and he and his ex-fiancée took out protective orders against each other.”

[Praxeas]

Prax, as I've said before, following is fundamentally different from pursuing. At the point when he was in his car, on the phone with 911, I think you could argue he was following. At the point when the kid runs and he gets out armed and gives chase, he is pursuing. If an armed man is pursuing you for no reason, at what point can the one being pursued invoke the stand your ground law as justification to physically engage?
That is the problem, do we have facts supporting the man was armed, ie had his piece out, and was chasing the kid?

Zimmerman had cuts from being in a scuffle. If an armed man is chasing me NO WAY do I stop and confront him. I keep on running!

You say that chasing a kid with a weapon is not reason for him to physically attack, but you easily accept that the one doing the chasing had reason to use deadly force?
I never said he was chasing the kid with a weapon, you did. I never said that because I have no evidence he was chasing the kid with a weapon out.

Your argument is based on a fallacy. I never said or agreed Zimmerman was chasing the kid armed or unarmed.

I do believe he was following Travon probably both in the car AND on foot but again that is not grounds for assault as far as I understand the law.


Something there does not compute with me...and it has nothing to do with race.
Well that is because you made unfounded assumptions about the case and what I know about it or agreed to as far as the facts are

[Praxeas]

If someone were chasing you, with a gun, would you stop and engage that person with the gun? No. You wouldn't. You'd run for dear life, if in fact, you hadn't done anything and were just walking through the neighborhood.

So, logically, we can assume that Trayvon didn't in fact know the man had a gun.

Following, pursuing, whatever you want to call it, the point is that at some point these two got into a physical altercation. From Zimmerman's testimony, it was trayvon who engaged him first. If this is true...case dismissed, under the wording of the law in that state.
Exactly

And what I said was not an emotional opinion. I said what I said from what I have heard so far about the facts and that law they have in Florida.

Im not defending Zimmerman. Im pointing out that I THINK that because they went for the worst possible conviction that based on the lack of evidence and testimony he should get off unless the jury goes with their emotions

Im not really sure what he should be charged with

[Praxeas]

Sigh...I'm not going to keep beating this dead horse, but I will try one last time to make some of you step back and be more objective. All I'm asking is why anyone would take Zimmerman's word alone that he was pursued and attacked and therefore justified in killing, but completely and outrightly reject the possibility that whatever Trayvon did physically was because he was pursued and cornered. The only purely objective evidence (the recording) clearly has Trayvon attempting to flee and an angry Zimmerman pursuing. That is undebatable.
The other evidence (where the actual attack took place in relation to his truck among other) does not give rise to this absolute conviction that Zimmerman was the only one justified in standing his ground.
Once again, I did not form any opinion at all about this case until I heard the recording. If the races were reversed or if both were the same race, nothing would change my impression of what I heard.
The thing is I AM being objective. Not emotional. His word is the ONLY evidence we have to consider. We don't have Travon. Yes that is sad but legally because we have HIS word and if we don't have any contradictory witness his word legally should have more weight unless he contradicts himself

Again Im not saying he is innocent. Im being objective that the prosecutor is aiming for a verdict that perhaps the evidence can't support

Which recording? It has nothing to do with Race, I agree with you

[Praxeas]

I'm just curious if anybody has any thoughts about this. Is this relevant? Would some of you be referencing this if you were "on Martin's side"?:

The New York Daily News reports the former co-worker saying Zimmerman — who made between $50 and $100 a night — was fired from his job as a security guard in 2005 for “being too aggressive.” Usually “he was just a cool guy,” he said. “He liked to drink and hang with the women like the rest of us. But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When the dude snapped, he snapped.” From the report:

He had a temper and he became a liability. One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted. It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.
While the source conceded that Zimmerman “loved being in charge” and “loved the power,” he said. “Still, I could never see him killing someone. Never.”

The story notes that, also in 2005, Zimmerman “was arrested for fighting with a cop trying to arrest his friend for underage drinking, and he and his ex-fiancée took out protective orders against each other.”
Im not on anyone's side.

[canam]

The title of this thread is VERY misleading. It should read, "As A Child, George Zimmerman and His Friend 'Played Doctor'", or something similar.

To write the title as darrmad did is to deliberately make it sound like George Zimmerman, THE ADULT, molested a 9 year old. Sloppy Journalism 101.

:thumbsup

[canam]

I'm just curious if anybody has any thoughts about this. Is this relevant? Would some of you be referencing this if you were "on Martin's side"?:

The New York Daily News reports the former co-worker saying Zimmerman — who made between $50 and $100 a night — was fired from his job as a security guard in 2005 for “being too aggressive.” Usually “he was just a cool guy,” he said. “He liked to drink and hang with the women like the rest of us. But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When the dude snapped, he snapped.” From the report:

He had a temper and he became a liability. One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted. It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.
While the source conceded that Zimmerman “loved being in charge” and “loved the power,” he said. “Still, I could never see him killing someone. Never.”

The story notes that, also in 2005, Zimmerman “was arrested for fighting with a cop trying to arrest his friend for underage drinking, and he and his ex-fiancée took out protective orders against each other.”

I dont see what this has to do with the price of eggs in china all this says is you better know who your messing with before ya mess with em or ya might end up dead if your gonna play agent provacotuer you better be able to back it up

[Baron1710]

Despise his policies all you want, but if you are going to call him a dictator-in-chief, what do you calll George W. Bush? If you got your news from sources other than Fox News, you would know that Bush and Cheney pushed for an Imperial Presidency with the Executive Branch getting more and more power. Check and see how many times Bush used executive orders to bypass congress. President Obama has not even come close to issuing as many executive orders as President Bush. By the way, didn't Jesus tell his disciples that he didn't come to Earth to set up a Kingdom but to save the lost? Was Jesus just kidding, or do Christians today not believe the Bible or Jesus' teachings?

Typical leftist, you assume I get my news from Fox, and you are wrong but that never stopped a liberal from charging ahead.

Two major errors in your assertions about executive orders. First, and most important is the subject of the orders, many of both Obama and Bush executive orders have no major opposition. Second Obama has only had three and a half years Bush was in for 8.

[Dagwood]

How do you know this?

Been Thinkin

Don't expect a response from the OP. I have yet to see a post from him/her that actually involves responses from said person following their initial post. I think they post just to get responses without engaging in the convo.

But, I could be wrong... :thumbsup

[BroJoe]

Exactly

And what I said was not an emotional opinion. I said what I said from what I have heard so far about the facts and that law they have in Florida.

Im not defending Zimmerman. Im pointing out that I THINK that because they went for the worst possible conviction that based on the lack of evidence and testimony he should get off unless the jury goes with their emotions

Im not really sure what he should be charged with

I'd be very surprised with all that we know so far (it could change) if he gets a conviction for second degree murder. Very surprised.

[BroJoe]

I'm just curious if anybody has any thoughts about this. Is this relevant? Would some of you be referencing this if you were "on Martin's side"?:

The New York Daily News reports the former co-worker saying Zimmerman — who made between $50 and $100 a night — was fired from his job as a security guard in 2005 for “being too aggressive.” Usually “he was just a cool guy,” he said. “He liked to drink and hang with the women like the rest of us. But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When the dude snapped, he snapped.” From the report:

He had a temper and he became a liability. One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted. It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.
While the source conceded that Zimmerman “loved being in charge” and “loved the power,” he said. “Still, I could never see him killing someone. Never.”

The story notes that, also in 2005, Zimmerman “was arrested for fighting with a cop trying to arrest his friend for underage drinking, and he and his ex-fiancée took out protective orders against each other.”

I'm betting the State is going to have a whole slew of these type of people come and testify.

Doesn't change anything if Trayvon engaged him first.

One eye witness even said that they saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman punching him.

The State has an uphill battle as of right now.

[Evenuntodeath]

That is the problem, do we have facts supporting the man was armed, ie had his piece out, and was chasing the kid?

Zimmerman had cuts from being in a scuffle. If an armed man is chasing me NO WAY do I stop and confront him. I keep on running!


You've got to be kidding me. This is all speculation. Unless you have been in a situation similiar to Trayvon, there's no telling what you would do. All of us are programmed with a "fight or flight response". Under extreme stress our adrenaline kicks in, primal instincts take over and we respond one way or the other. Its not outlandish Trayvon went into "fight mode" if he believed himself to be in danger.

[Evenuntodeath]

One eye witness even said that they saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman punching him.

This witness has flip flopped and is now saying they don't know who was on top. The verdict is not going to decided on witnesses. All of the witness stories have proved to be inconsistent, considering the police took so long to bring charges about the memory of many witnesses is foggy.

[Sam]

It will be interesting to see how this turns out.

There has been so much racist public rhetoric from our President, some of our national legislature, and others like Spike Lee, the Black Panthers, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, etc. I would think the jury pool would be thoroughly poisoned.

Do you think the guy can even get a fair trial?
Racists have already judged him guilty.
Some of us would vote "not guilty" just as a reaction to the racists.

[Truthseeker]

Alot of speculation from both sides. Hope the get some clear headed jurist.

[Nitehawk013]

After all the media hoopla, I'm not sure you could find an unbiased person to serve on the jury unless you shipped them in from some mountain in Tibet or the wasteland of Antarctica.

This case is a mess.

[Evenuntodeath]

Well without media involvement, Zimmerman would not have been charged at all. Can't have it both ways.

Sometimes it takes media attention for the police to do their job and rightfully so considering all the unanswered questions and red flags. Zimmerman is not the first man claiming self defense to be on trial and he won't be the last.

[Catfish]

Some of these comments are just unbelievable. George Zimmerman saw himself as a solution looking for a problem, and he found that when he saw that poor boy Trayvon Martin. He murdered that boy to satisfy his ego. All he would have had to do was start waving that gun around and young Mr. Martin would have took off, but no, Mr. Zimmerman didn't want him to run, he wanted an excuse to shoot him and he created one. If Travon Martin had been an unemployed black man in his 40s walking home with a pack of Kools and a 40 oz this case would have never made national news, though the dynamics would have been the same.

And as for Obama? You all out to be praying FOR him, like the BIBLE says to do, you know, "Bless, and curse NOT?" If you would admit your own ignorance of the facts just long enough to consider that maybe, just maybe, you are being manipulated by the so-called "Conservatives" into believing and expressing sentiments that are false as a means of controlling you and ultimately using you to accomplish goals that are contrary to your own interests... but why am I wasting my breathe. Sheep, when pastured with goats for very long will always end up following the goat and ending up the worse for it. Pitiful. Hitler once said, "The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it" and the Republicans are proving that to be true. I mean really, "Obama hates America"?? "Obama is going to take your guns away"?? "Obama is a communist"?? Does anyone seriously believe this non-sense? I am sure that the Republican leadership do not believe it, but they will say it just the same because it is effective. Politics is c-o-m-p-l-i-c-a-t-e-d folks, don't kid yourselves! If you have not studied the subject professionally, and I mean by going to college or somehow getting a job in Washington without doing so, then you are likely ignorant; you might have a deep and profound understanding of the Word of God (which is better by far), but you are ignorant in the area of politics. The Bible does not make you knowledgeable in the arena of politics anymore than it does in the areas of medicine or quantum physics... so pipe down. You don't know what you are talking about. But you ought to recognize vitriol when you hear it, and it is coming out of your own mouths.

[Sam]

...And as for Obama? You all out to be praying FOR him, like the BIBLE says to do, ....


I pray for our President and his wife and family plus other national, state, and local leaders on a regular basis. This is my duty according to the way I understand 1 Timothy 2:1-5

[Sam]

... "Obama hates America"?? "Obama is going to take your guns away"?? "Obama is a communist"?? Does anyone seriously believe this non-sense? ...

Yes

[Catfish]

Yes
It was a rhetorical question, but I'm glad to hear you are praying for our leaders. I should do it more often myself.

I forget the context but one day I was puzzling over who a "good Christian" should side with, the Republicans or the Democrats. I mean since most Christians and psuedo-Christians alike tend to call themselves Republicans I wanted to be on the right side of things, so I asked the Lord and He immediately reminded me of the parable of the man with two sons. You all know the story, one boy said yes but didn't do while the other refused but later changed his mind. And that is where we are today. We have one party that says they will do God's will, but somehow they never do it (unless you consider lowering taxes on rich people a Biblical mandate)... and then we have the other party that says they won't do it at all. We are inclined to see the one that says "yes" as the "good" one, but until one or the other actually obeys the will of God then we cannot wisely choose between them. And that means more than just ending abortion and so-called gay "marriage", it means doing something about Hollywood, and immodest clothing in public places, and cigarettes and alcohol and all the rest of it.

[MissBrattified]

Some of these comments are just unbelievable. George Zimmerman saw himself as a solution looking for a problem, and he found that when he saw that poor boy Trayvon Martin. He murdered that boy to satisfy his ego. All he would have had to do was start waving that gun around and young Mr. Martin would have took off, but no, Mr. Zimmerman didn't want him to run, he wanted an excuse to shoot him and he created one. If Travon Martin had been an unemployed black man in his 40s walking home with a pack of Kools and a 40 oz this case would have never made national news, though the dynamics would have been the same.

And as for Obama? You all out to be praying FOR him, like the BIBLE says to do, you know, "Bless, and curse NOT?" If you would admit your own ignorance of the facts just long enough to consider that maybe, just maybe, you are being manipulated by the so-called "Conservatives" into believing and expressing sentiments that are false as a means of controlling you and ultimately using you to accomplish goals that are contrary to your own interests... but why am I wasting my breathe. Sheep, when pastured with goats for very long will always end up following the goat and ending up the worse for it. Pitiful. Hitler once said, "The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it" and the Republicans are proving that to be true. I mean really, "Obama hates America"?? "Obama is going to take your guns away"?? "Obama is a communist"?? Does anyone seriously believe this non-sense? I am sure that the Republican leadership do not believe it, but they will say it just the same because it is effective. Politics is c-o-m-p-l-i-c-a-t-e-d folks, don't kid yourselves! If you have not studied the subject professionally, and I mean by going to college or somehow getting a job in Washington without doing so, then you are likely ignorant; you might have a deep and profound understanding of the Word of God (which is better by far), but you are ignorant in the area of politics. The Bible does not make you knowledgeable in the arena of politics anymore than it does in the areas of medicine or quantum physics... so pipe down. You don't know what you are talking about. But you ought to recognize vitriol when you hear it, and it is coming out of your own mouths.

You really should read (and post on) the other *main* George Zimmerman thread (http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=39004&highlight=zimmerman). My thoughts about this particular thread and the charge of "molestation" have no bearing on my opinions of the Zimmerman/Martin case. Digging up garbage in GZ's past doesn't make him more or less guilty of murder. On this thread, we're fussing over what constitutes "molestation", essentially. IMO, playing doctor with another kid when you're also a kid is inappropriate behavior, but it doesn't qualify as molestation. The title of this thread is particularly misleading since it makes it seem like the adult man molested a 9 year old girl.

[Catfish]

Sorry I didn't think about that, the parts of the conversation that I read seemed to be all over the spectrum so I just jumped in, lol.

But why are so many people comparing what he did to that girl as "playing doctor"? When one child forces another child to do anything, eat dirt, whatever, it isn't a game. It is the stronger kid being mean to the weaker one and getting pleasure from it.

[MissBrattified]

Sorry I didn't think about that, the parts of the conversation that I read seemed to be all over the spectrum so I just jumped in, lol.

But why are so many people comparing what he did to that girl as "playing doctor"? When one child forces another child to do anything, eat dirt, whatever, it isn't a game. It is the stronger kid being mean to the weaker one and getting pleasure from it.

Fair point and I agree: from her account of events it does sound like he was being pushy. However, I haven't heard his side of that story and there are always at least 2 sides. I'm not willing to put the dramatic spin on it that the original poster did because we only have 1 side of the story AND because they were close to the same age and it could very well have been sexual exploration on both their parts. Even if he was being a bully, it still is a different dynamic than if he were a 28 year old man molesting a 9 year old girl. There wasn't much age difference, so it wasn't "pedophilia" (as stated in the first post). E.g., if all of this happened before he was 18 and it stopped when she was 16, they couldn't have been more than 2 years apart in age at most--unless he was younger than her.

Also, the article says that she and her parents confronted him about it and that he apologized. I'm not excusing his behavior, mind you, but I don't think it's relevant to the Martin case, I don't think it's fair to only have the girl's side, and it's definitely dishonest to call him a "pedophile."