I Will Go Through The Fire IHOP

[Michael The Disciple]

This is slow and deep. Rachel Culver, one of the IHOP psalmists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGcmhZmGU9c&feature=related

[bbyrd009]

Hi, MTD. Your thread title minded me of this;
http://www.biblenews1.com/marriage/marriagh.htm
I think this is pg 3or 4, the "going thru the fire"
part is a page or so back...Larry Wood,
I'd love to know what you think of him, ty.
Peace!

[Michael The Disciple]

Hi, MTD. Your thread title minded me of this;
http://www.biblenews1.com/marriage/marriagh.htm
I think this is pg 3or 4, the "going thru the fire"
part is a page or so back...Larry Wood,
I'd love to know what you think of him, ty.
Peace!

Well I read about 15 minutes of what you asked. Some of it seemed ok. He greatly errs by speaking against "tongues" which every Christian is to profit by.

The song Rachel is doing is indicative of the bride for Christ but his marital teaching does not perhaps fit with a young handmaiden of the Lord singing here about her love to him.

Rachel Culver is married to Caleb who is also a minister at IHOP.

[StillStanding]

Very nice song!

[bbyrd009]

Well I read about 15 minutes of what you asked. Some of it seemed ok. He greatly errs by speaking against "tongues" which every Christian is to profit by.Well, I have heard him say that tongues is a gift, etc. I certainly don't agree with all he says, but then I don't buy "...with the initial evidence of..." either. Ty for the critique, tho.

[bbyrd009]

"VIRTUE-LOVE

If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clashing cymbal. (1 Corinthians 13:1)
The Corinthians had become infatuated with speaking in tongues, a gift which is no longer extant. Paul wrote them the blazing epistle of 1 Corinthians to excoriate them for their Holy Roller activities. This first verse of 1 Corinthians 13 is a ringing, bombastic oratory equivalent to a blast of trumpets, kettle drums, and cymbals at triple fortissimo as only Beethoven and the Apostle Paul could deliver. He is taking the gloves off and standing up against their brazen arrogance. This is cauterizing sarcasm aimed at the tongues crowd. He says, "If I speak with the tongues of men and angels," which means if he spoke like an angelic herald. The Corinthians have been intrigued with speaking in tongues; so Paul is using debaters technique to present the premise that even if he spoke as an angelic herald, which would obviously exceed the most gifted of the tongues crowd. If this were true, but he did not have love, is the premise. This is the virtue-love from the Integrity Envelope. It is Greek, ajgavph (agape), the word for divine love, or virtue-love, from God and poured into the cup in the Integrity Envelope.
Even if he were an angelic herald but did not have virtue-love, then, he concludes, "I have become a noisy gong or a clashing cymbal." The word for "gong" is the Greek calkov" (chalkos), which means a piece of brass such as a pot or kettle used by peddlers to call attention to their wares. As the peddlers made their rounds selling vegetables, they would beat on a pot or pan to attract attention. This was before doorbells. This was noisy and quite a contrast from the soprano of the angelic herald. It is the contrast between beautiful music (which comes from the right lobe of the soul) and the noise of a brass object for percussion, a gong with noisy echo. But Paul doesn't stop here. No percussion is ever hit just once; so he throws a combination punch and hits them again. "Or a clashing cymbal": The term for cymbal is the Greek kuvmbalon (kumbalon), which was a cymbal, a metal basin struck against another to produce a clashing, ringing sound used by professional mourners to get attention. Everyone knew professional mourners were full of hypocrisy. Now the Greeks of Corinth who prided themselves in their oratory understood this. Paul had just taken them up to the fifth floor balcony and pushed them off. This is Round One.

Note that Round One was addressed to the orators, the dynamic speakers with titillating tongues, the professional mourners full of hypocrisy, the prissy braggarts full of emotional claptrap. There are other words to describe these types in the Bible. They are the politicians from Political Babylon who are symbolized by frogs (Revelation 16:13). The politicians are forever posturing and croaking like frogs.

And if I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. (1 Corinthians 13:2, NAS).
This verse does to the intellectual crowd what the first verse did to the politicians...
http://www.biblenews1.com/marriage/marriagh.htm

but really, I'd ignore where you might disagree,
and look for where you might agree.

[bbyrd009]

"Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. (1 Corinthians 13:8, NAS)
Verse 8 is a conclusion of the explanation of spiritual gifts which was begun in 1 Corinthians 12:1. In this verse Paul is performing an historical reality check per the Time axis of the Space Time Coordinate System. This verse says that the spiritual gifts of prophecy, tongues, and knowledge will all cease. These gifts, though sensational, were temporary and had all ceased by 96 AD when John wrote Revelation and the canon of scripture was thereby completed. Prophecy was a spiritual gift for pointing out future events in the Plan of God. The last prophecy was the book of Revelation. Tongues was a temporary spiritual gift for evangelism of the Jews, which ceased by 70 AD with the fall of the last Jewish Client Nation. The gift of knowledge was a special spiritual gift for the explanation of new doctrines that had not yet become part of the canon of scripture. This gift also ended with the completion of the canon of scripture.
But now (Church Age) there remains in place faith, hope (confident expectation), virtue-love - these three, but the greater of these is virtue-love! (1 Corinthians 13:13).
"But now" introduces the conclusion, which is all of the triple fortissimo of the conclusion of a great symphony. This is Greek oratory. The last sentence is an ellipsis, which leaves out the verb for emphasis: "But the greater of these - VIRTUE-LOVE!" He ends with a shout..."

Hmm. Compelling.
sorry about the hijack, lol, I'll quit.