Mystery babylon the great

[bbyrd009]

After the Flood the city state of Babylon became the center of Satan's great attack on human history. After the destruction of the Tower of Babel, Babylon remained in hidden mystery form in Satan's Cosmic System. The world counterattack of Mystery Babylon continued through the ages. The power of the great evil in the world today is defined through the symbolism of the Evil King and the Prostitute of Babylon in Revelation.

Foreword

Mystery Babylon, which is taught from Genesis to Revelation, is one of the major doctrines in the Bible and one of the major themes of human history. Yet, this strategically important doctrine lies beyond the grasp of most people. So well-hidden is the mystery, right under the nose, that the symptoms are seen but not the cause. The reason lies in the power that Satan has over this world through fundamental values like the love of money and honey (sexuality).

Satan controls the pastors as well as the congregations. He controls the parents as well as the children. So, each generation is doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.
It doesn't have to be this way. The Light is available for those who want it...
http://www.biblenews1.com/babylon/babylon1.html

[Michael The Disciple]

I see Mystery Babylon more as New York City or maybe America itself.

[bbyrd009]

I see Mystery Babylon more as New York City or maybe America itself.
Ha it is a spiritual realm, the counterfeit...
this guy is like, gripping :lol
the Bible like you never heard it.
You have to let some of the frankly alien-sounding
concepts just slide by, at first, but
his model seems extremely productive.

[bbyrd009]

This is actually like his page 1;
most of the new terms are defined here,
a page or so in, and it is a good intro to the model.

You're prolly going to toss most of your old one,
if you can get over the new lexicon;
this guy will update you :lol

"Only the believer with the ability to apply Bible Doctrine will ever see Satan, let alone overcome to be a winner." (Rev 2:7, 11, 17, 26; 3:5, 12, 21; 21:7; 1 Jn 5:4-5).

[Michael The Disciple]

This is actually like his page 1;
most of the new terms are defined here,
a page or so in, and it is a good intro to the model.

You're prolly going to toss most of your old one,
if you can get over the new lexicon;
this guy will update you :lol

"Only the believer with the ability to apply Bible Doctrine will ever see Satan, let alone overcome to be a winner." (Rev 2:7, 11, 17, 26; 3:5, 12, 21; 21:7; 1 Jn 5:4-5).


????????? Oh well.

[bbyrd009]

Um, ya, maybe not "toss;" :lol
He'll either speak to you, or not.

[Nitehawk013]

I wouldn't call that "gripping". More like annoyingly vague and hermeneutically incoherant. The article makes a TON of assertions, with minor scriptural connections, and holds them as if they are the most incredible revelations imaginable. It's a mess from the word go. He makes no solid scriptural connections nor does he properly explain of those connections. He just basically throws out his opinion of what the verses mean with no regard to context or criticism.

I've seen many different opinions on who or what Mystery Babylon is, but this is by far the most haphazardly tossed together mess among them.

[bbyrd009]

I wouldn't call that "gripping". More like annoyingly vague and hermeneutically incoherant. The article makes a TON of assertions, with minor scriptural connections, and holds them as if they are the most incredible revelations imaginable. It's a mess from the word go. He makes no solid scriptural connections nor does he properly explain of those connections. He just basically throws out his opinion of what the verses mean with no regard to context or criticism.

I've seen many different opinions on who or what Mystery Babylon is, but this is by far the most haphazardly tossed together mess among them.That seems harsh; you've read him for what, 3 minutes? I was skeptical at first, too. Not real sure why I even kept reading him. Don't know about your "holds them as if they are the most incredible revelations imaginable," why do you say this? I'll be kind and say that I believe you are making naive accusations--or can you refute something he has asserted?

There is a sense in which satan steals a lexicon,
say that of Christianity, and dilutes the meaning
of ones whole lexicon, over time; until the very meaning of
"Christian" is diluted. Anything signifying "good"
will be turned to "bad" by satan.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy
Well, you have to admit, the label "Christian" means different things to different people.
and so does
Apostolic
Holiness
Pentecostal
Charismatic
Conservative
Liberal
etc

Therefore, anyone with a vision is not going
to be interested in using your diluted lexicon,
and will provide their own, which you must learn,
before you may learn any really new thing,
such as, in this case, how to actually operate as
a Christian, rather than endlessly discussing
hair and skirt length, or discussing the merits
of forced glossololia.

Now, I am completely open to any Scripturally-backed
critique of this or any new hearing; I realize that the guy
has an unusual model--but you have no other term
for the "Edification Complex of the Soul," really, or
your "Integrity Envelope," although you have both
of these inside you.

I am not qualified to judge this guy,
and a message either speaks to one, or it does not;
I have no problem with that.
But I think you are slandering the guy here, and
worse, you are quite likely slandering the Spirit.

[bbyrd009]

And just so you know,
I don't agree with every word he has said.

You might read this as a "story,"
take it all as fiction, if you like,
at least until you get more familiar with
his terms. Suspend your typical resistance
to a new model for a minute, if you will,
and you might accidentally get some new hearing.

You post like the guy is suggesting
that you eat your children or something,
when you actually have no evidence against him.
I'll be waiting for that refute.

[bbyrd009]

He presents an amazingly informed-
-or at least, a lot more informed and informing
than I have ever heard--synopsis of the
events around the first advent.

[bbyrd009]

I wouldn't call that "gripping". More like annoyingly vague and hermeneutically incoherant. The article makes a TON of assertions, with minor scriptural connections, and holds them as if they are the most incredible revelations imaginable. It's a mess from the word go. He makes no solid scriptural connections nor does he properly explain of those connections. He just basically throws out his opinion of what the verses mean with no regard to context or criticism.

I've seen many different opinions on who or what Mystery Babylon is, but this is by far the most haphazardly tossed together mess among them.:crickets
So, this is just some pathetic hit-and-run?
A shame; I had more respect for you than this,
and it seems beneath you. I don't think you could
defend your remarks if your life depended on it,
which I'm pretty sure it does, let alone present
a more cohesive model of Mystery Babylon, our enemy (see Revelations).
I'm guessing you're a pastor.

[bbyrd009]

Ok, well, the silence is deafening.
If you decide to grow a pair,
and man up, I'll be around tonight.

What you posted in admitted ignorance is heinous,
and I would suggest that you don't have a clue,
but you've already admitted as much.
Revelation is not pablum, k?

[Michael The Disciple]

I skimmed the whole thing. A case of someone wanting to go deep but without proper foundations. Would not recommend anyone reading it could say he makes a few good points. Then lets get back to the sound doctrine in scripture.

[bbyrd009]

I skimmed the whole thing. A case of someone wanting to go deep but without proper foundations. Would not recommend anyone reading it could say he makes a few good points. Then lets get back to the sound doctrine in scripture.
I'm curious what you find objectionable? Like I say, I don't think I'm qualified to accuse him of unsound doctrine, or anything--but I have been pursuing exposition of Word for...35 years now, and have yet to hear any that touches this. I will admit that I found him hard to read, at first, didn't read any more for like a month.

I honestly don't think you can refute him Scripturally;
his aim seems to be to bring believers to "Spiritual Rapport,"
so, unless you have some "sound doctrine" to refute him,
I'll ask, "How do you know?"

[bbyrd009]

I skimmed the whole thing. A case of someone wanting to go deep but without proper foundations. Would not recommend anyone reading it could say he makes a few good points. Then lets get back to the sound doctrine in scripture.

Mmmkay, well let me rephrase this, MTD, in a way yur prolly not gonna like:
"This guy used a couple words I'm unfamiliar with, and can't find in Scripture, and I didn't bother to search his lexicon for the Scriptural basis for his unfamiliar terms; so here's a platitude for ya."

I recommend anyone run screaming from closed minds;
and I hope you take this personally, as I have a lot of respect for you.
But I will say that I have a little bet with myself, that, having now justified yourself, to yourself, you won't even come back in here! :lol
Peace.

[bbyrd009]

The guy is demonstrably deeper than any
Doctor of Religiotheosophy I've ever heard;
and we're talking about my hobby here, k?

[bbyrd009]

His whole message, MTD, is
"metabolize Bible doctrine."
He says it on every page.
Do you even know what that means?

[bbyrd009]

Salvation by Grace

The major tenet of protestantism that broke the back of the Prostitute of Babylon was Salvation by grace. Even though they differed on other points of doctrine, Luther and Calvin agreed that Salvation was by faith alone in Jesus Christ. They believed in justification by faith in Christ as opposed to the prevailing doctrine of justification by faith and works, or salvation by grace and human merit. Grace means the free gift of God. And Salvation is a free gift of God. It is freely available for all who will believe in Jesus Christ.

Luther Sees the Roman Babylon

Martin Luther saw the spiritual connection between the Roman Catholic Church and Babylon. In Babylonian Captivity of the Church, which he published in 1520, he pointed out the evils of the sacramental system of the Roman Church whereby the lives of believers were enslaved from womb to tomb. He said the system represented the captivity, and Rome was the modern Babylon. Luther wrote, "I became convinced that the papacy is the kingdom of Babylon and the power of Nimrod the mighty hunter." more...
http://www.biblenews1.com/babylon/babylon7.html

First paragraph included just because I thought it was cool;
second paragraph details Mystery Babylon.

[bbyrd009]

The power of Babylon the Great over mankind began in the Garden of Eden with the Fall. Babylon was not only the name of the first city-state at Babel and the capital of the Chaldean Empire, it was the name of Satan's spiritual kingdom on earth. When Adam fell, Satan took over the rulership of the world and ruled from Babylon. Thus, Babylon in the spiritual realm is the name of Cosmos Diabolicus, Satan's Cosmic System. What Satan practiced openly before the Flood, he administered through hidden mysteries after it. Mystery Babylon refers to the secret rites of Babylon, which are known only to the initiates. Satan's empire of Mystery Babylon will rule the world until it is destroyed at the Second Advent by the Lord Jesus Christ.

The human rulers of Satan's kingdom of Babylon are the Evil King and the Prostitute of Babylon. Nimrod was the first Evil King. And the High Priestess of Babylon and Jezebel are examples of the Prostitute of Babylon. The Evil King and Prostitute of Babylon derive their power from the Cosmic System. They are the slaves of evil, who seek to enslave others as they do the devil's bidding as cosmic evangelists. The world will not be rid of these two until the Lord Jesus Christ destroys them at the Second Advent.

The Evil King is a dictator who operates outside the Laws of Establishment. He usurps true authority, and takes away freedom through both lawlessness and tyranny. True love does not exist in his vocabulary. He is the personification of his ruler, the devil, who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning.

The Prostitute of Babylon is the enemy of Marriage and family. She usurps the authority of her husband and seeks to rule him. Her only love is money, the coin of the realm of Babylon. She infiltrates the Church and seeks to control it through the power of Ecumenical Babylon. She appeals to lascivious lusts to get business and gain power and feigns love as a cover for insatiable lusts and greed.

The Evil King and the Prostitute of Babylon are the enemies of the Christian and civilization. They are the enemies of those who seek Spiritual Rapport, which lies beyond Spiritual Maturity in the adult phase of the Spiritual Life. They deprive Christians of their Crowns. The immature Christian will never see these enemies. They will rule his life and his Church. He will fight the symptoms without ever seeing these masters of disguise. They can only be defeated by the Christian who advances to Spiritual Rapport. And Spiritual Rapport is only possible through execution of Bible Doctrine - not just academic study. Metabolization of Bible Doctrine is required for Spiritual Growth...
http://www.biblenews1.com/babylon/babylon8.html

Ha if you think you can out-Scripture this guy,
you better pack a lunch. I'll just hold my breath...:lol