apostolic,pentecostal

[bluegrassdad]

Hi there ya'll...I'm new to the site.so be patient with me..what s the difference between pentecostal and apostolic or are they the same?.

[Amanah]

hey Blue, welcome to the site. I'll give you my take on it. And I'm sure others will give you theirs as well.

"Pentecostal" is a reference to the book of acts when the Holy Ghost was poured out on the day of pentecost. Refer to Acts Chapter 2.

"Apostolic" is a reference to those who follow the teachings of Jesus' disciples as recorded in the New Testament.

[MawMaw]

Welcome! :)

[bluegrassdad]

hey Blue, welcome to the site. I'll give you my take on it. And I'm sure others will give you theirs as well.

"Pentecostal" is a reference to the book of acts when the Holy Ghost was poured out on the day of pentecost. Refer to Acts Chapter 2.

"Apostolic" is a reference to those who follow the teachings of Jesus' disciples as recorded in the New Testament.

Well what's the difference between the two beliefs wise

[bluegrassdad]

"Beliefs wise"

[navygoat1998]

I took this from my favorite moderators signature:

Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:

There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.

[bluegrassdad]

Are there any apostolic churches that teach post trib. Meaning that all christains are going through the great tribulation.

[navygoat1998]

Are there any apostolic churches that teach post trib. Meaning that all christains are going through the great tribulation.

I would not know, my wife and I are Pentecostal lite. We are no longer Apostolic.

[renee819]

Bluegrassdad, to answer your first question. I alway thought, Pentecostal and Apostolic were the same. And they should be. Because the book of Acts is the only book in the Bible that teaches people how to be saved. And Jesus left the Apostles to set up the Church nd they did so in the book of ACTS.

Therefore the Apostolic Doctrine should be what the Apostles taught after Pentecost.
And the Pentecostal Doctrine, should be the same, as was taught on the Day of Pentecost.

However, I am finding on this Forum, not everyone that claim to be Pentecostal or Apostolic, actually are.

BGdad asked,
Are there any apostolic churches that teach post trib. Meaning that all christains are going through the great tribulation.

I don't know of any churches that do.. But I Teach that soon we will go through the Religious Persecution, from the One World Religion. When this happens, there will be great tribulation.

[navygoat1998]

However, I am finding on this Forum, not everyone that claim to be Pentecostal or Apostolic, actually are.

Sister Renee I am Pentecostal and all that entails, however I no longer hold to what some consider to be Apostolic teachings.

[Sam]

Are there any apostolic churches that teach post trib. Meaning that all christains are going through the great tribulation.

Apostolic/Pentecostal ministers/teachers are all over the map on stuff like this.

Some teach that the world ended in AD 70, the resurrection took place and we are now in the kingdom

Some teach a coming tribulation followed by a kingdom of God on earth.
Those that teach a coming tribulation are divided up as follows:
1. Some teach that a rapture may occur at any moment and will be before the tribulation
2. Some teach the rapture will occur in the middle of the tribulation
3. Some teach the rapture will occur at the end of the tribulation when Jesus descends from Heaven to rule on earth

[Sam]

I call myself:
Apostolic in doctrine
Pentecostal in experience
Charismatic in practice
Non-denominational in affiliation
Inter-denominational in fellowship

What I mean by that is:
1. Apostolic: I believe in Jesus Christ through the words of His first century Apostles whose writings are also known as the New Testament

2. Pentecostal: I have received the same Holy Ghost Baptism that about 1/4 of the early church (120 out of 500 members ref 1 Cor. 15:6) received on the Day of Pentecost or Feast of Shavu'ot as recorded in Acts chapter 2

3. Charismatic: I believe the gifts/charisms of the Spirit listed in 1 Corinthians 12:8-10; Romans 12:4-8; and Ephesians 4:11

4. Non-denominational: means that I am not a member of any of the generally recognized denominational churches.

5. Interdenominational: means that my fellowship is not based on any organizations or denominations but that I recognize and fellowship anyone who is in the Body of Christ.

[Sam]

I took this from my favorite moderators signature:

Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:

There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.

I can agree with this.

[Sam]

Usually we use terms like Apostolic, Pentecostal, Charismatic, Holiness interchangeably.

Each of us has his/her own private definition of "Apostolic" so there are probably as many definitions of Apostolic as there are people here.

[bluegrassdad]

Stiill didn't get a clear answer...what beliefs are different between them?

[Sam]

Apostolic and Pentecostal and Holiness and Charismatic are different terms used interchangeably. There really is no difference.

Some "Apostolics" believe in various shades of the doctrine of the trinity, some in various shades of oneness, some in various shades of arianism and binatarianism.
Some "Pentecostals" believe in various shades of the trinity doctrine, some in various oneness theories, some in arianism and some in binatarianism.

Roman Catholics call themselves Apostolic and so do some of the various Orthodox Churches.
"Apostolic" was a term used by many who received the Holy Ghost Baptism in the late 1800's and early 1900's. These folks were (and are trinitarians) who believe that a person is saved by faith in Jesus Christ and may or may not be water baptized and may or not be baptized in the Spirit. They also referred to themselves as Pentecostal, Holiness, and Latter Rain.
A few years later some (a few) of these Apostolics or Pentecostals began to practice baptism in the name of Jesus and some times used titles such as "Lord" and/or "Christ" in baptism but did not believe that baptism that way had anything to do with salvation.
Later some (a few) of these Apostolics or Pentecostals began to teach that water baptism in Jesus' name and the Holy Ghost Baptism were necessary for salvation.Some of these folks became part of an organization formed in 1945 called the United Pentecostal Church. Now many in leadership positions of the United Pentecostal Church are teaching a revised history of their sect (or cult according to some) and telling folks they have always believed in and practiced water baptism in Jesus' name and have taught that the HGB (Holy Ghost Baptism) is part of a "plan of salvation."

[renee819]

Stiill didn't get a clear answer...what beliefs are different between them?

BGdad, I've been in Pentecost most of my life. 6 yrs old to now 81. And I still don't know the difference. And there shouldn't be any difference.


There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.

That is supposed to be Apostolic. It is also true of the Pentecostal Churches to which I have belonged.

[Michael The Disciple]

Apostolic, Pentecostal, Charismatic they are all just sweeping generalizations. You have to get down with each person or local Church and discuss with them what they believe.

The Local Churches are greatly lacking in foundation truth. Most cannot recieve the post trib rapture truth because there is precious little teaching about dying to the self life.

[MawMaw]

Hi there ya'll...I'm new to the site.so be patient with me..what s the difference between penticostal and apostolic or are they the same?.

Since you are asking about the differences, I assume you
call yourself neither? Do you consider yourself to be in some
other group?

[Sam]

Hi there ya'll...I'm new to the site.so be patient with me..what s the difference between penticostal and apostolic or are they the same?.

What "label(s)" do you use to describe yourself, your church, your belief system, etc.?





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[bluegrassdad]

Well I was raised non denominational our pastor broke away from church of god once god revealed the oneness,Jesus baptism,and all christains going thru the great tribulation.back in the seventies.since church broke apart...then I went to apostolic church but to me they are preaching it all good except revelations..imo....we are children of light ...just looking for a church that preaches what I believe....churches are not in my opinion preparing people for the worse to come....totally my opinion....

[Amanah]

bluegrassdad - you will probably will find people on this site who share your eschatological views. possibly you might want to start a thread on that topic to get a discussion going?

[bluegrassdad]

How do i do that?new to this thing.

[Amanah]

How do i do that?new to this thing.

the path below is where the Eschatology Debate Forum is located.
Go to this forum to start a new post

Go here to start a new post
Apostolic Friends Forum --> The Debate Room --> Eschatology Debate

Click on one of these links to read a current post in the Exchatology Forum
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=41430

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=41282

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=28227

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=41073

[renee819]

Well I was raised non denominational our pastor broke away from church of god once god revealed the oneness,Jesus baptism,and all christains going thru the great tribulation.back in the seventies.since church broke apart...then I went to apostolic church but to me they are preaching it all good except revelations..imo....we are children of light ...just looking for a church that preaches what I believe....churches are not in my opinion preparing people for the worse to come....totally my opinion....

Good for you Bluegrassdad. You are absolutely right.

I tried to teach that the Church would go thru the Tribulation, back in the 80's. I didn’t know that there would be 6 ministers there that night. And everyone of them came against me.

One said, “We can’t teach that.” I asked why, if it is the Truth?
He said, “If we taught that, many of our people would backslide” I don’t think I said it, but that means they were holding their audience by fear.

Can you believe that?

I was surprised, that many in the audience, asked good questions, and understood more than the Ministers. Later I asked one of the Ministers, “Why that was so, and why won’t t hey let me teach Prophecy in the Churches?

And he told me the Truth. He said, “Sister, our Pastors are so busy, that they don’t have the time that you have had to study prophecy. And when someone like you, teaches anything different than what they have taught, they don’t know if you are telling the truth or not.
Then when you leave, and their saints ask them a question, they won’t know what to answer. “
In other words they would be embarrassed.

Good luck in finding a church of like belief’s. I can’t find one. You might think about a House Church. Starting one. And letting the Holy Ghost be the Head.

[KeptByTheWord]

Good for you Bluegrassdad. You are absolutely right.

I tried to teach that the Church would go thru the Tribulation, back in the 80's. I didn’t know that there would be 6 ministers there that night. And everyone of them came against me.

One said, “We can’t teach that.” I asked why, if it is the Truth?
He said, “If we taught that, many of our people would backslide” I don’t think I said it, but that means they were holding their audience by fear.

Can you believe that?

I was surprised, that many in the audience, asked good questions, and understood more than the Ministers. Later I asked one of the Ministers, “Why that was so, and why won’t t hey let me teach Prophecy in the Churches?

And he told me the Truth. He said, “Sister, our Pastors are so busy, that they don’t have the time that you have had to study prophecy. And when someone like you, teaches anything different than what they have taught, they don’t know if you are telling the truth or not.
Then when you leave, and their saints ask them a question, they won’t know what to answer. “
In other words they would be embarrassed.

Good luck in finding a church of like belief’s. I can’t find one. You might think about a House Church. Starting one. And letting the Holy Ghost be the Head.

So true, Renee!

Truth sometimes is stranger than fiction.... people would rather believe a lie, than have to wake up, believe the truth and do something about it.

And I agree about house church... it really is the most apostolic way of church life there is!

[Dedicated Mind]

most pentecostals believe in the doctrine of the trinity. apostolics believe in the doctrine of oneness.
most pentecostals baptize in the titles father, son and holy ghost while apostolics baptize in the name of Jesus.
most pentecostals believe you are saved at repentance. most apostolics believe you need to repent, be baptized in jesus name and receive the holy ghost to be saved.
both apostolics and pentecostals believe in speaking in tongues that is where apostolics and pentecostals are the same.

[bluegrassdad]

Thx...guys

[bluegrassdad]

Oh...should I delete this thread off the mat...if so how? Thx

[bluegrassdad]

Do apostolics and pentecostal churches teach the same? The oneness...Jesus name baptizism..holy ghost filled ,speaking in tongues,holiness ,dress,hair,ect.....that's what I mean...what's the difference between the two...

[bluegrassdad]

Sorry about spelling..fat fingers