More Violent Islam

[seekerman]

"We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you': What man holding bloody cleaver said after 'hacking soldier in Help For Heroes T-shirt to death just yards from Woolwich barracks"

"They apparently shouted 'Allahu Akbar', which means 'God is great' in Arabic, and tried to film the attack, the BBC's political editor Nick Robinson said."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329089/Woolwich-attack-Two-men-hack-soldier-wearing-Help-Heroes-T-shirt-death-machetes-suspected-terror-attack.html#ixzz2U3GYiaM4

Islam is the most violent religion on the face of the earth today.

[Pliny]

I am sure it was reported incorrectly.
Let's not rush to judgement.
Perhaps Hillary Clinton needs to get involved and tell us it was because of a video that portrayed Muhammed as a pedophile, accurately BTW.
No wait! It was street corner violence...

[KeptByTheWord]

Such a sad event. If only Muslims could know the loving God for who HE is.

[Rudy]

"We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you': What man holding bloody cleaver said after 'hacking soldier in Help For Heroes T-shirt to death just yards from Woolwich barracks"

"They apparently shouted 'Allahu Akbar', which means 'God is great' in Arabic, and tried to film the attack, the BBC's political editor Nick Robinson said."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329089/Woolwich-attack-Two-men-hack-soldier-wearing-Help-Heroes-T-shirt-death-machetes-suspected-terror-attack.html#ixzz2U3GYiaM4

Islam is the most violent religion on the face of the earth today.

It's a powerful drug--religion.

[Rudy]

Such a sad event. If only Muslims could know the loving God for who HE is.

That could be said of Apostolics as well.

[imreedemed]

Last night as i was praying for our muslim friends something came on my mind. Why don't we have some christian extremists ready to fully emulate Christ? Jesus didn't have a place to sleep, He cared for the poor folk, prayed for those who persecuted and even spit on his face, He didn't discriminate,

He tolerated no sin. He had such a burden for the lost that he gave up His life and paid for all our sins in full.

Oh how i love Jesus!

[Praxeas]

That could be said of Apostolics as well.
Yes but you don't see Apostolics running around with bombs strapped to their bodies, pressure cooker bombs or machetes hacking random people in the street and shouting "God is Great!"

[Rudy]

Yes but you don't see Apostolics running around with bombs strapped to their bodies, pressure cooker bombs or machetes hacking random people in the street and shouting "God is Great!"

The only comparison was knowing He is a loving God. Not comparing the two as who is more violent.

However, we all have murdered somebody.

[Praxeas]

The only comparison was knowing He is a loving God. Not comparing the two as who is more violent.

However, we all have murdered somebody.
Does the FBI know about this?

[navygoat1998]

Does the FBI know about this?

:lol

[seekerman]

The only comparison was knowing He is a loving God. Not comparing the two as who is more violent.

However, we all have murdered somebody.

Compare the two. You'll easily see that Islam is the most violent religion on the face of the earth today. When there is religious violence, it's almost always Islam. When you see terrorism in the name of allah, it's always Islam.

[MissBrattified]

The only comparison was knowing He is a loving God. Not comparing the two as who is more violent.

However, we all have murdered somebody.

Eh? Speak for yourself. :blink

[Rudy]

Eh? Speak for yourself. :blink

Your tongue has always been an instrument of peace, love, & truth?

[Rudy]

Compare the two. You'll easily see that Islam is the most violent religion on the face of the earth today. When there is religious violence, it's almost always Islam. When you see terrorism in the name of allah, it's always Islam.

The U.S. is the most violent secular government in the world as of present. Islam or U.S. pick your poison.

[MissBrattified]

The U.S. is the most violent secular government in the world as of present. Islam or U.S. pick your poison.

Statements like this = zero credibility. How will you expect to persuade anyone of your point of view if you can't make rational statements?

REALLY? The most "violent, secular government in the world?" :heeheehee

[Pliny]

Statements like this = zero credibility. How will you expect to persuade anyone of your point of view if you can't make rational statements?

REALLY? The most "violent, secular government in the world?" :heeheehee

Oh yes...
More violent than Germany.
More violent than Stalin's regime.
More violent than the Kmer Rouge (sp.?)
More violent than China.
More violent than Iraq.
More violent than Afghanistan.
More violent than Hezbollah.
More violent than and the list goes on...


Yeah right. The US is not perfect but it is still better than anywhere else right now. I wonder why so many millions want to come here (even illegally) when it is said to be so violent.

[Walks_in_islam]

I will quietly note that there are no weapons in the Middle East that were actually MADE in the Middle East. It did not appear to be that much of a priority.

Perhaps a good start for building that "peaceful safe image" would be to stop shipping weapons all over the world.....?

[Walks_in_islam]

Oh yes...
More violent than Germany.
More violent than Stalin's regime.
More violent than the Kmer Rouge (sp.?)
More violent than China.
More violent than Iraq.
More violent than Afghanistan.
More violent than Hezbollah.
More violent than and the list goes on...


Yeah right. The US is not perfect but it is still better than anywhere else right now. I wonder why so many millions want to come here (even illegally) when it is said to be so violent.

The love of money.......LOL

[Rudy]

Statements like this = zero credibility. How will you expect to persuade anyone of your point of view if you can't make rational statements?

REALLY? The most "violent, secular government in the world?" :heeheehee

500.000 children died in Iraq because of sanctions.

check this out---->


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE

[Nitehawk013]

500.000 children died in Iraq because of sanctions.

check this out---->


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE

If you believe that nonsense then you have less brains than a bag of worn out hammers.

[Pliny]

I will quietly note that there are no weapons in the Middle East that were actually MADE in the Middle East. It did not appear to be that much of a priority.

Perhaps a good start for building that "peaceful safe image" would be to stop shipping weapons all over the world.....?

Right... The Middle East never made any weapons ever... :laffatu

And Iran is not working on a nuke either... :laffatu

[Praxeas]

I will quietly note that there are no weapons in the Middle East that were actually MADE in the Middle East. It did not appear to be that much of a priority.

Perhaps a good start for building that "peaceful safe image" would be to stop shipping weapons all over the world.....?

They must not make good weapons or they figure it's just easier and cheaper to buy weapons made in Russia and America. But they sure do love those weapons Wii.....

BTW Iran makes weapons. Israel makes Weapons and Iraq was making weapons under Saddam.

If you do some research you'll find other weapons or weapon components being manufactured in the middle east

[MissBrattified]

500.000 children died in Iraq because of sanctions.

check this out---->

Oh, I see. You're putting acts of war and acts of terrorism into the same category. Another irrational move that no one will take seriously. :rolleyes2

[Rudy]

Oh, I see. You're putting acts of war and acts of terrorism into the same category. Another irrational move that no one will take seriously. :rolleyes2

That was during the Clinton administration. and we wonder why they hate us. Islam claims they are fighting a war. The U.S. calls it terrorism.

Vietnam war started because of a lie--over 1.000.000 dead.

[MissBrattified]

That was during the Clinton administration. and we wonder why they hate us. Islam claims they are fighting a war. The U.S. calls it terrorism.

Rudy, I am quite cognizant of who was President in 1996. Secondly, your defense of Islamic extremism is indefensible.

There's no point in discussion if you have no common ground. I have no common foundation with anyone who believes terrorism can be defended or excused.

[Walks_in_islam]

They must not make good weapons or they figure it's just easier and cheaper to buy weapons made in Russia and America. But they sure do love those weapons Wii.....

BTW Iran makes weapons. Israel makes Weapons and Iraq was making weapons under Saddam.

If you do some research you'll find other weapons or weapon components being manufactured in the middle east

Sure lets take a look together.

Egypt:

The 1973 October war and the increase in oil prices spurred plans for expanded Egyptian military industries. So did the new economic program of infitah, with its goal of opening of the Egyptian economy to foreign companies and expanding exports. The Sadat regime proposed construction of a military-industrial complex called the Arab Organization of Industries (AOI). AOI was based on the idea that the Saudis and their partners would provide the capital; Washington, London and Paris would provide the technology and capital equipment; Egypt would contribute its four existing arms factories -- the aircraft and engine factories in Helwan, the Sakr munitions factory in Heliopolis and the Kader factory (aircraft and armor) -- and some 15,000 trained workers. AOI was formally set up in 1975 and some assembly and licensing agreements were reached in 1977-1978, but Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf states cut off funding in 1979 in response to the Egyptian-Israeli-US peace treaty.

Iran

When the Shah decided to expand Iran’s military might, he emphasized the air force. In 1969, the parliament obliged by decreeing that a portion of the country’s oil revenues be put in a fund for arms imports. In 1970 the Shah established Iran Aircraft Industries (IACI) as a joint venture with Northrop. A repair facility for US-made missiles also was set up at Shiraz.

Between 1970 and 1974, the military’s share in total capital expenditures in the country rose from 25 percent to 41 percent of the total, and many different industrial sectors -- automotive, chemical, mechanical -- had some military dimension to them. A huge military-industrial complex was begun near Isfahan, and by 1978 spare parts for tanks and helicopters were being manufactured there. The Military Industries Organization was the single largest importer of machine tools in the mid-1970s.

Iran’s sizable automobile assembly industry had a military component. Three foreign auto licensers, Jeep (US), British Leyland (maker of the Land Rover) and Daimler-Benz (West Germany) manufactured military vehicles. While tank maintenance and repairs remained a completely military project, the private sector took on the production and repair of military vehicles. In small arms production, French, German and Swedish companies licensed factories owned by Iranian entrepreneurs.

Pakistan:

The arms production facilities constructed under British rule were in the territory that became India after independence. In the 1950s, Pakistan constructed the Pakistan Ordnance Factory. Pakistani military production increased after the 1965 war with India. Today the POF includes 14 separate factories in and around the city of Wah. This is a company town of 225,000 near Islamabad. Wah’s lord mayor is Gen. Talat Massoud, current chairman of the POF. The Wah complex manufactures a wide range of munitions and infantry weapons -- mortars, recoilless rifles and anti-tank missiles. The POF employs between 30,000 and 50,000 and has an annual production capacity of more than $400 million. It is the country’s largest industrial enterprise.

The technology POF uses comes from various suppliers -- West German, British, Swiss, American. Pakistan has access to Chinese technology, and through this the Soviet technology incorporated in Chinese weapons. POF-designed 100mm tank rounds are now competing on the world market for customers among the many Third World countries with Soviet and Chinese designed tanks. Some 15 percent of POF’s production is for export, which earns more than $30 million in foreign exchange.


Wonder why all this time they havent worked on developing good weapons on their own though? Surely if the religion is so violent and violence is such a priority all the Islamic countries would have would have been working on them? This is the oldest existing system of government in the world and has been around since the church was executing people for believing the earth was flat.

YET Forty years ago these countries made almost none while we were turning out nukes by the thousands. Islam is a 1400 year old religion. Why now?

[Walks_in_islam]

Right... The Middle East never made any weapons ever... :laffatu

And Iran is not working on a nuke either... :laffatu

Laugh and point all you want. Can you answer the question or not?

[Rudy]

Oh yes...
More violent than Germany.
More violent than Stalin's regime.
More violent than the Kmer Rouge (sp.?)
More violent than China.
More violent than Iraq.
More violent than Afghanistan.
More violent than Hezbollah.
More violent than and the list goes on...


Yeah right. The US is not perfect but it is still better than anywhere else right now. I wonder why so many millions want to come here (even illegally) when it is said to be so violent.

I stated at present, not all time. But The U.S. has an ugly history of killing folks.

[Rudy]

Rudy, I am quite cognizant of who was President in 1996. Secondly, your defense of Islamic extremism is indefensible.

There's no point in discussion if you have no common ground. I have no common foundation with anyone who believes terrorism can be defended or excused.

Not defending Islam, exposing the hypocrisy or blindness of the American people.

[Pliny]

I stated at present, not all time. But The U.S. has an ugly history of killing folks.

Islam has a long and sordid history of killing folks including up to today.

[Pliny]

Laugh and point all you want. Can you answer the question or not?

I did.
Iran, for example, is working on a nuke. They have also asserted that Israel has no right to exist. Hmmm... Makes you wonder what they will do with that nuke!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/24/us-un-assembly-ahmadinejad-idUSBRE88N0HF20120924

http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/7418

http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1062452.html

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/02/25/official-iran-ready-and-willing-to-wipe-israel-off-the-map/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/8/iran-threatens-israel-golan-will-be-fatahland/


http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/iran-threatens-azerbaijan-8407


:laffatu

[Walks_in_islam]

I did.
Iran, for example, is working on a nuke. They have also asserted that Israel has no right to exist. Hmmm... Makes you wonder what they will do with that nuke!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/24/us-un-assembly-ahmadinejad-idUSBRE88N0HF20120924

http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/7418

http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1062452.html

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/02/25/official-iran-ready-and-willing-to-wipe-israel-off-the-map/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/8/iran-threatens-israel-golan-will-be-fatahland/


http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/iran-threatens-azerbaijan-8407


:laffatu

Of course they are working on a nuke. Why? Why now? 60 years after nuclear weapons were developed and 1400 years after Islam was introduced.

Religion? LOL

Who is threatening who? There are no Iranian bases anywhere but inside Iran. Here are some other bases however around Iran and those bases are far from home.

[Esaias]

I will quietly note that there are no weapons in the Middle East that were actually MADE in the Middle East. It did not appear to be that much of a priority.

Perhaps a good start for building that "peaceful safe image" would be to stop shipping weapons all over the world.....?

Is Pakistan and Afghanistan in the middle east?

Cause they make a TON of weapons...Pretty good at it too considering the meager tools they use.

[Walks_in_islam]

Is Pakistan and Afghanistan in the middle east?

Cause they make a TON of weapons...Pretty good at it too considering the meager tools they use.

Technically that's Asia but they're brown-skinned Muslims so I guess on this board and since y'all don't really care anyway they can fairly be lumped in with "them middle eastern arab foreign people".

So they make a ton of weapons huh?

WATERVLIET ARSENAL, N.Y. (Feb. 2013) -- Watervliet Arsenal announced today that it received a $5.9 million contract to provide the Afghan National Army with nearly 900 60mm-mortar systems, as part of the U.S. State Department's Foreign Military Sales program.

Lets look more closely at those violent Afghans

01/25/13 According to the results of a survey released last week by the Public Religion Research Institute, 57 percent of white evangelicals live in homes where someone owns a gun (compared, for example, with 31 percent of Catholics.) And more startling, even after 20 first-graders were slaughtered in Connecticut at the hands of a madman with an assault rifle, 59 percent of white evangelicals continue to oppose tighter restrictions on gun laws.


OK let's assume Afghans represent (some) of the worst of the most violent in Islam and lets look at the stats -

Karp, Aaron.2007.‘Completing the Count: Civilian firearms - Annexe online.’ Small Arms Survey 2007: Guns and the City.Cambridge:Cambridge University Press,27 August.

Afghanistan gun ownership rates: 4.4 per thousand. Gun ownership by white American evangelicals is 129X higher? (that's actually pretty funny in the context of this discussion)

Murder rate: 2.4. About 50% of the average US murder rate and significantly lower than the US murder rate would be if you exclude the entire black community which you people seem to like to do (carryover from those good ole cross-burning days I reckon huh). Care to explain why people who are so violent murder other people at lower rates than American good ole boys do?