In one hard-knock British city, a Muslim do

[Walks_in_islam]

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-features/in-one-hard-knock-british-city-a-secret-muslim-donor-helps-save-a-synagogue.premium-1.525183

Bradford, a city of 300,000 people in the British county of West Yorkshire, is no stranger to social unrest and racial conflict. Once a boom-town of the Industrial Revolution and the former center of Britain's textile industry, the infamous race riots here in 1995 and 2001, exacerbated by neo-Nazi organizers, placed this economically starved region in an unflattering spotlight.

But in 2010 this hard-knock spot got a bit of a boost. Bradford was named a "city of sanctuary" in 2010, noted as a place with a history of welcoming newcomers from all corners of the world. These peoples included Jewish immigrants in the 1930s who fled persecution in Continental Europe, as well as Pakistani and Bangladeshi economic migrants who came in the 1960s, just as the first Jewish immigrants in the late 19th century had, to work in the textile industry. So many immigrants poured in from South Asia that the city came to be known as the curry capital of Britain.

Even more recently, a bit of serendipity in the form of leaky roof brought together the city's Jewish and Muslim communities.

For years, the Jews and Muslims of Bradford have lived in close proximity to each other: Bradford's only remaining synagogue sits just 500 meters from the city's main mosque in the inner city neighborhood of Manningham. But the two groups kept to themselves. That is, of course, until the synagogue's roof started to leak and Bradford's Muslim community stepped in as a surprise donor for the repairs.

An example of and nod for two communities who do and should live in harmony

[imreedemed]

Yep that's good news.

The two groups should come in and discuss the Jesus issue that indeed he DIED (muslims) on the CROSS and was resurrected (JEWS) on the 3rd day. Jesus was more then a prophet. He was/is the Messiah!

[Pliny]

You know instead of wasting your time here preaching to Christians about how peaceful Islam is you should spend that time actually preaching to those multitudes within Islam who want to make Jihad against all infidels... Your time would be better served rather than propagandizing here. Ow wait you know it's safe here because no one will come after you and chop your head off; however, your "brethren" would probably not take to kindly to you.

[Walks_in_islam]

LOL I did fine in Saudi and I did fine in Indonesia and I do fine in Texas. God chooses to protect someone or not and my safety is not of my own doing.

You could always focus on your message but unfortunately it appears that without heretics or catholics or indigenous people or commies or Muslims to hate and talk about you HAVE no message.

[Pliny]

LOL I did fine in Saudi and I did fine in Indonesia and I do fine in Texas. God chooses to protect someone or not and my safety is not of my own doing.

You could always focus on your message but unfortunately it appears that without heretics or catholics or indigenous people or commies or Muslims to hate and talk about you HAVE no message.

:laffatu

Right... Coming from someone who follows a pedophile I am sooo well... underwhelmed...

:happydance

BTW I don't "hate".

Gal 4:16 Have I then become your enemy by telling you the truth?
Muhammad was a pedophile. Repent while you still have time.
The twelfth Imam is the Antichrist.

You must continue to pass along the propaganda because that is all the Jihadists have. Rather than actually try to tell your brethren and sistren that they are not following Islam you stay on safe Christian sites because you know no one will chop off your head for being an Islamic neophyte.

http://religionofconquest.wordpress.com/category/taqiyyah-lying-for-allah/

[Walks_in_islam]

:laffatu

Right... Coming from someone who follows a pedophile I am sooo well... underwhelmed...

:happydance

BTW I don't "hate".

Gal 4:16 Have I then become your enemy by telling you the truth?
Muhammad was a pedophile. Repent while you still have time.
The twelfth Imam is the Antichrist.

You must continue to pass along the propaganda because that is all the Jihadists have. Rather than actually try to tell your brethren and sistren that they are not following Islam you stay on safe Christian sites because you know no one will chop off your head for being an Islamic neophyte.

http://religionofconquest.wordpress.com/category/taqiyyah-lying-for-allah/

You are enemy of nothing LOL. The powerless and empty are not to be feared.

However you seek attention so I will give you what you seek.

The twelfth Imam is a shiite teaching. He probably is the antichrist. I hope you people are right this time because over the years the USSR was the "kingdom of the beast" then the EU was the "kingdom of the beast" and "the beast" was the pope then "the beast" was Gorbechev (because of his mark? :laffatu) and "the beast" was the illumanati and "the beast" was a huge computer in belgium did I leave any "annointed" prophecy preachers out? LOL.....

A pedophile you say? The church appears to have neatly established and written the book on pedophelia centuries after Mohammad was dead and buried.

In the 12th century the jurist Gratian, an influential founder of Canon law in medieval Europe, accepted age of puberty for marriage to be between 12 and 14 but acknowledged consent to be meaningful if the children were older than 7. There were authorities with a claim that consent could take place earlier. Marriage would then be valid as long as neither of the two parties annulled the marital agreement before reaching puberty, or if they had already consummated the marriage. It should be noted that Judges honored marriages based on mutual consent at ages younger than 7, in spite of what Gratian had said; there are recorded marriages of 2 and 3 year olds

NOTE: Mohammad's marriage, which lasted his entire life, was well above the standards of christian law even hundreds of years later. Please and kindly deal with your current pedophiles before judging 1400-yr-old culture. This 2-3 year old thing is some sick stuff dude.

[Praxeas]

It does get old using the P card over and over in light of European history

[Pliny]

You are enemy of nothing LOL. The powerless and empty are not to be feared.

However you seek attention so I will give you what you seek.

The twelfth Imam is a shiite teaching. He probably is the antichrist. I hope you people are right this time because over the years the USSR was the "kingdom of the beast" then the EU was the "kingdom of the beast" and "the beast" was the pope then "the beast" was Gorbechev (because of his mark? :laffatu) and "the beast" was the illumanati and "the beast" was a huge computer in belgium did I leave any "annointed" prophecy preachers out? LOL.....

A pedophile you say? The church appears to have neatly established and written the book on pedophelia centuries after Mohammad was dead and buried.

In the 12th century the jurist Gratian, an influential founder of Canon law in medieval Europe, accepted age of puberty for marriage to be between 12 and 14 but acknowledged consent to be meaningful if the children were older than 7. There were authorities with a claim that consent could take place earlier. Marriage would then be valid as long as neither of the two parties annulled the marital agreement before reaching puberty, or if they had already consummated the marriage. It should be noted that Judges honored marriages based on mutual consent at ages younger than 7, in spite of what Gratian had said; there are recorded marriages of 2 and 3 year olds

NOTE: Mohammad's marriage, which lasted his entire life, was well above the standards of christian law even hundreds of years later. Please and kindly deal with your current pedophiles before judging 1400-yr-old culture. This 2-3 year old thing is some sick stuff dude.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha!
The RCC seriously!?!?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You still justify pedophilia...
Must be because it is your profit.

BTW there are many antichrists in the world just as Islam is Antichrist.

You should spend more time talking to Jihadists out of blowing up innocent children.
You should spend your time telling those evil Muslims not to murder in the name of allah.
You should spend your time telling your fellow Muslims honor killings are murder.
You should spend your time telling your fellow Muslims that wife beating is evil.
You should spend your time telling your fellow Muslims about tolerance.
I will believe Muslims believe in tolerance the day churches are built in Mecca without fear of reprisals...

But you won't because it is far safer to justify evil on a site where there is no fear because of true tolerance and true peace. No one will come after you here.

[Walks_in_islam]

Bwahahahahahahahahaha!
The RCC seriously!?!?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You still justify pedophilia...
Must be because it is your profit.

BTW there are many antichrists in the world just as Islam is Antichrist.

You should spend more time talking to Jihadists out of blowing up innocent children.
You should spend your time telling those evil Muslims not to murder in the name of allah.
You should spend your time telling your fellow Muslims honor killings are murder.
You should spend your time telling your fellow Muslims that wife beating is evil.
You should spend your time telling your fellow Muslims about tolerance.
I will believe Muslims believe in tolerance the day churches are built in Mecca without fear of reprisals...

But you won't because it is far safer to justify evil on a site where there is no fear because of true tolerance and true peace. No one will come after you here.

Pedophilia? You are sitting in a nation founded on the principles of "christian pedophelia"

William Williams (April 23, 1731 – August 2, 1811) was a merchant, and a delegate for Connecticut to the Continental Congress in 1776, and a signatory of the Declaration of Independence. Williams was born in Lebanon, Connecticut, the son of a minister, Tim Solomon Williams, and Mary Porter. He studied theology and graduated from Harvard in 1751. He continued preparation for the ministry for a year, but then joined the militia to fight in the French and Indian War. After the war, he opened a store in Lebanon, which he called The Williams Inc.

Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) was only 9 when she was married to William Williams.

My favorite:

In the United States, by the 1880s, most states set the age of consent at 10–12, and in one state, Delaware, the age of consent was only 7.

Do you know why the age of consent in Delaware was 7 for so long?

I will brief you on what I think

1887 - Delaware was the First State to ratify the constitution. Prior to that, you had to be a Christian to hold a position in the Delaware government.

Pedophilia ended in America ONLY when the constitution prohibited christian religious rule. Now: it just happens under the platform.

May I understand why Mohammad was a pedophile 1200 years before christian leaders set the age of consent in a current US state at 7 years old?

[Luke]

Pedophilia? You are sitting in a nation founded on the principles of "christian pedophelia"

William Williams (April 23, 1731 – August 2, 1811) was a merchant, and a delegate for Connecticut to the Continental Congress in 1776, and a signatory of the Declaration of Independence. Williams was born in Lebanon, Connecticut, the son of a minister, Tim Solomon Williams, and Mary Porter. He studied theology and graduated from Harvard in 1751. He continued preparation for the ministry for a year, but then joined the militia to fight in the French and Indian War. After the war, he opened a store in Lebanon, which he called The Williams Inc.

Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) was only 9 when she was married to William Williams.

My favorite:

In the United States, by the 1880s, most states set the age of consent at 10–12, and in one state, Delaware, the age of consent was only 7.

Do you know why the age of consent in Delaware was 7 for so long?

I will brief you on what I think

1887 - Delaware was the First State to ratify the constitution. Prior to that, you had to be a Christian to hold a position in the Delaware government.

Pedophilia ended in America ONLY when the constitution prohibited christian religious rule. Now: it just happens under the platform.

May I understand why Mohammad was a pedophile 1200 years before christian leaders set the age of consent in a current US state at 7 years old?

The following is the correct name and age of William Williams wife .

Mary Trumbull Williams
1745-1831
Wife of William Williams
Mary Trumbull, second daughter of "Brother Jonathan" Trumbull, War Governor of Connecticut, was married, in 1771, to William Williams, one of the most prominent citizens of Lebanon, which town he had represented for many years in the General Assembly. She was twenty-five years old at the time of her marriage and was a handsome, educated, and accomplished young woman of excellent family.

www.ushistory.org/declaration/signers/williams.htm

On February 14,1771, and almost 40, Williams was married in Lebanon to Mary Trumbull, age 25. She was the daughter of Royal Governor Jonathan and Faith (Robinson) Trumbull. Her family tree showed her related to John Adams, Oliver Wolcott, and to the first wife of William Ellery.

www.dsdi1776.com/signers-by-state/william-williams

I know only that William WILLIAMS was born on 8 April 1731 in Lebanon, CT, the son of Solomon WILLIAMS who married as Miss PORTER.
William WILLIAMS was married at the age of 41 (in 1772) to the daughter of a Jonathan TRUMBULL. They are supposed to have had three children: 2 sons and 1 daughter.

Ancestery.com
William Williams-Signer of Declaration of Independence


Birth: April 8, 1731

Death: August 2, 1811 (80)

Immediate Family:

Son of Rev. Solomon Williams and Mary Williams (Porter)

Husband of Mary Williams (Trumbull)

Father of Solomon Williams, Faith Williams and William Trumbull Williams


At the age of 41, he became settled in domestic life, having connected himself with the daughter of Jonathan Trumbull, at that time governor of the state.

www.geni.com/people/William-Williams-Signer-of-the-Declaration-of...


I did find on wikipedia and on yahoo answeres that he had married Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) at the age of nine but i could never find that sourced anywhere to any documentation.

Also what does the 1689 mean and why is it listed there at all? If 1689 is suppose to repersent the year of her birth then she was older than around 41-42 years old when william williams was born.

Please explain your source and the 1689 date.

Please let it be noted that we are comparing riligous folowers to religous followers rather Mohammad was the founder of your religion not a simple follower also according to your faith since he was your opinon a prophet he was perfect and sinless therefore it is impossible to condemn a pedophile without admiting that your founder was wrong and false prophet since he sinned. Christians on the other hand have no such problem in that we can point to our founder Jesus Christ God in the flesh and we can truly agree that ya'll are correct in that He was sinnless and for you as a muslim to deny that Jesus was sinnless you again have to call Mohammad a liar because he said Jesus was sinnless.

When it comes to followers of religion we can both agree that there are those who misrepersent our faiths but when the founders are compared there is truly no comparison at all.

[Luke]

What no response where are you walks in Islam

[Walks_in_islam]

The following is the correct name and age of William Williams wife .

Mary Trumbull Williams
1745-1831
Wife of William Williams
Mary Trumbull, second daughter of "Brother Jonathan" Trumbull, War Governor of Connecticut, was married, in 1771, to William Williams, one of the most prominent citizens of Lebanon, which town he had represented for many years in the General Assembly. She was twenty-five years old at the time of her marriage and was a handsome, educated, and accomplished young woman of excellent family.

www.ushistory.org/declaration/signers/williams.htm

On February 14,1771, and almost 40, Williams was married in Lebanon to Mary Trumbull, age 25. She was the daughter of Royal Governor Jonathan and Faith (Robinson) Trumbull. Her family tree showed her related to John Adams, Oliver Wolcott, and to the first wife of William Ellery.

www.dsdi1776.com/signers-by-state/william-williams

I know only that William WILLIAMS was born on 8 April 1731 in Lebanon, CT, the son of Solomon WILLIAMS who married as Miss PORTER.
William WILLIAMS was married at the age of 41 (in 1772) to the daughter of a Jonathan TRUMBULL. They are supposed to have had three children: 2 sons and 1 daughter.

Ancestery.com
William Williams-Signer of Declaration of Independence


Birth: April 8, 1731

Death: August 2, 1811 (80)

Immediate Family:

Son of Rev. Solomon Williams and Mary Williams (Porter)

Husband of Mary Williams (Trumbull)

Father of Solomon Williams, Faith Williams and William Trumbull Williams


At the age of 41, he became settled in domestic life, having connected himself with the daughter of Jonathan Trumbull, at that time governor of the state.

www.geni.com/people/William-Williams-Signer-of-the-Declaration-of...


I did find on wikipedia and on yahoo answeres that he had married Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) at the age of nine but i could never find that sourced anywhere to any documentation.

Also what does the 1689 mean and why is it listed there at all? If 1689 is suppose to repersent the year of her birth then she was older than around 41-42 years old when william williams was born.

Please explain your source and the 1689 date.

Please let it be noted that we are comparing riligous folowers to religous followers rather Mohammad was the founder of your religion not a simple follower also according to your faith since he was your opinon a prophet he was perfect and sinless therefore it is impossible to condemn a pedophile without admiting that your founder was wrong and false prophet since he sinned. Christians on the other hand have no such problem in that we can point to our founder Jesus Christ God in the flesh and we can truly agree that ya'll are correct in that He was sinnless and for you as a muslim to deny that Jesus was sinnless you again have to call Mohammad a liar because he said Jesus was sinnless.

When it comes to followers of religion we can both agree that there are those who misrepersent our faiths but when the founders are compared there is truly no comparison at all.

As you said it was on Wiki. I didnt look any further.

The Delaware thing, which is kind of sick after all, distracted me. Sad example of life of young girls under church rule. No wonder the first amendment, which is ACTUALLY what makes me safe here and not your presence at all, prohibits it huh. Now, as I said, it's limited to under the pulpit.

OH I'm sorry wait what did you say? You say Jesus "founded" your religion? JESUS preached against beards (that same beard that Isaiah says was plucked for your sins huh? Now a beard IS a sin LOL), sets hemlines, dictates hair lengths? Jesus teaches jewelry will make you go to hell, or makeup will make you go to hell, or hair length will make you go to hell? Jesus taught that failure to pay up and tithe to the ministry will make you go to hell?

(laughing) Jesus didn't "found" a bit of your teaching sport. Put the magic dragon down.

[Walks_in_islam]

What no response where are you walks in Islam

Nice hair Luke. Good pentecostal cut, proper lengths of sideburns and proper placement relative to the shirt collar.

Now about your taunt..... no response back from you? Are you gathering some information or something? Cat got your tongue? It has been decided to make an example of you here.

Please share the teachings and standards of your "founder" Jesus with the rest of us then post your rules and standards and the rules and standards of your church under those of Jesus and lets all compare them together. This could lead to weeks and weeks of potential fun.

Please let it be noted that we are comparing riligous folowers to religous followers rather Mohammad was the founder of your religion not a simple follower also according to your faith since he was your opinon a prophet he was perfect and sinless therefore it is impossible to condemn a pedophile

http://www.biblegateway.com/ Here is a link to your bible in all versions. Sins are defined there right? Please use Jesus' teaching or anyone else's teaching and pull up Mohammad's sin in his committed marriage to Aisha and use the words there to condemn him. Go right ahead and put up. Offered to you is your own book and your own teachings to do so.

Prophets in Islam do not sin? Who taught that to you? Mohammad was corrected by God throughout the Quran many times. Others who are noted as Prophets in Islam: Abraham sinned. David and Solomon sinned. Job sinned. Jonah sinned. Moses and Aaron sinned. Adam sinned. Solomon sinned. Yet these in their sins were held blameless to God due to their repentence and humility.

What is the penalty I wonder for speaking for or on behalf of God and for defining or dictating a path to Him that He did not outline through His Prophets and through his Books?

Speak. Here is your opportunity to put me in my place.

[Walks_in_islam]

What no response where are you walks in Islam

C'mon - let's play "fun with scriptures"

Where is the biblical-based definition of the sin of Mohammad? You declared sin so it must be based on the bible or teachings of your 'founder' Jesus.

?Otherwise you must believe you have the right to sit in judgement of others in place of God - judgement of someone who died 1400 years ago? Jesus prohibited stuff like that as well as the arrogance behind it when he cut through the principles of religious leaders of His time like a hot knife through butter but don't let the words of your 'founder' don't slow down a spirit filled UPC warrior LOL

I e-handed you the bible in every single version available to man. It MUST be in there somewhere. Do you to dig it up and expose the in the marriage of Mohammad. Otherwise you stand exposed as a false prophet of false teachings don't you. Your 'founder' Jesus taught to beware of such false prophets and false teachers who came in his name.

[Walks_in_islam]

Bwahahahahahahahahaha!
The RCC seriously!?!?
.

You should spend more time talking to Jihadists out of blowing up innocent children.

If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying,
Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;
Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;
Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.
And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.
And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and shew thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers;

You should spend your time telling those evil Muslims not to murder in the name of allah.

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman

You should spend your time telling your fellow Muslims honor killings are murder.

But if this charge is true, and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.

You should spend your time telling your fellow Muslims that wife beating is evil.

Nothing about this is found in your bible. Only (5) admonitions to "submit", "submit", "submit" and "do not speak in church" and "do not teach" - all found in the New Testament AS WELL AS a cool non-religious document called "A history of battered women" noting that athiests, not christians or jews or Muslims, are the driving force behind women's rights. We can all learn from that. .

You should spend your time telling your fellow Muslims about tolerance.

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God

I will believe Muslims believe in tolerance the day churches are built in Mecca without fear of reprisals

I will believe God Himself is tolerant and wishes tolerance the day He allows tolerance in your bible. Otherwise no need for the Quran here while you simply rail and rant against your own book.

[Pliny]

You should spend more time talking to Jihadists out of blowing up innocent children.

If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying,
Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;
Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;
Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.
And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.
And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and shew thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers;

You should spend your time telling those evil Muslims not to murder in the name of allah.

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman

You should spend your time telling your fellow Muslims honor killings are murder.

But if this charge is true, and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.

You should spend your time telling your fellow Muslims that wife beating is evil.

Nothing about this is found in your bible. Only (5) admonitions to "submit", "submit", "submit" and "do not speak in church" and "do not teach" - all found in the New Testament AS WELL AS a cool non-religious document called "A history of battered women" noting that athiests, not christians or jews or Muslims, are the driving force behind women's rights. We can all learn from that. .

You should spend your time telling your fellow Muslims about tolerance.

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God

I will believe Muslims believe in tolerance the day churches are built in Mecca without fear of reprisals

I will believe God Himself is tolerant and wishes tolerance the day He allows tolerance in your bible. Otherwise no need for the Quran here while you simply rail and rant against your own book.


THERE it IS. It's okay for Islam to murder because they think people thousands of years ago murdered people.

See instead of dealing with the murderers of Islam some would rather stay here and JUSTIFY the murderous rampage of insane people who have been fed a bunch of lies from a religion founded upon a pedophile.

It's what I have come to expect from Islamic apologist.
No denouncing the evil within their ranks just - well someone who called themselves a Christian hundreds of years ago were bad people therefore, it's okay for them to be bad. A typical but stupid argument.
:laffatu

[Pliny]

If you want to know about the tolerance of Islam look at "Mecca". Try to start ANY other religion there and find out how quickly people will line up to murder you...

[Walks_in_islam]

THERE it IS. It's okay for Islam to murder because they think people thousands of years ago murdered people.

See instead of dealing with the murderers of Islam some would rather stay here and JUSTIFY the murderous rampage of insane people who have been fed a bunch of lies from a religion founded upon a pedophile.

It's what I have come to expect from Islamic apologist.
No denouncing the evil within their ranks just - well someone who called themselves a Christian hundreds of years ago were bad people therefore, it's okay for them to be bad. A typical but stupid argument.
:laffatu

There is what? I did not reference anybody, christian or not, nor did I reference any particular event.

These are scriptures. Are scriptures God's laws? If not - why are they in your bible? If so - then kneel and tell God Himself that you disagree with them, do not waste your time telling me. Truly your disagreement with God's laws is between you and God. NOTE: Lucifer also disagreed with God. Perhaps the two of you should join forces then WOW you can marry 7-yr-olds again like the christian government in Delaware allowed. Happy days huh.

The penalty for sneaking into Mecca as a non-Muslim is not death - it is deportation. It happens all the time. Mostly workers from poor countries seeking jobs.

[imreedemed]

I don't see why you all here arguing..

This is a Christian and not a Chrislam forum

[Walks_in_islam]

I don't see why you all here arguing..

This is a Christian and not a Chrislam forum

Good then there should be no need for an Islamic section to Islam-bash then is there?

The lot of you can then return to discussing shirt sleeve length and hair length relative to the shirt collar and sideburn length and skirt length and how to avoid taxes so that you can 'accumulate as much of God's blessings as possible' and all the other stuff Jesus neglected to mention would get you to heaven.

[Walks_in_islam]

What no response where are you walks in Islam

Where are you? Still doing research or have you moved on to making up new imaginary sins?

[Pliny]

If you want to know about the tolerance of Islam look at "Mecca". Try to start ANY other religion there and find out how quickly people will line up to murder you...

There is what? I did not reference anybody, christian or not, nor did I reference any particular event.

These are scriptures. Are scriptures God's laws? If not - why are they in your bible? If so - then kneel and tell God Himself that you disagree with them, do not waste your time telling me. Truly your disagreement with God's laws is between you and God. NOTE: Lucifer also disagreed with God. Perhaps the two of you should join forces then WOW you can marry 7-yr-olds again like the christian government in Delaware allowed. Happy days huh.

The penalty for sneaking into Mecca as a non-Muslim is not death - it is deportation. It happens all the time. Mostly workers from poor countries seeking jobs.

I did not say "sneak" into Mecca. I said start a church there! LOL!
Oh yeah they are sooo tolerant! :heeheehee

Just the same typical justification. Well... someone else is bad so the evil of Islam is okay. Wake up! Islam is evil. It will remain evil until it confronts the evil within its' ranks. Pointing out evil elsewhere, whether real or imagined, does nothing to justify the evil within Islam. For proof of the intolerance of this "peaceful" religion look and see how many churches are in Mecca... Answer 0. Only Muslims are allowed in Mecca. Yeah real tolerant...

[Walks_in_islam]

I did not say "sneak" into Mecca. I said start a church there! LOL!
Oh yeah they are sooo tolerant! :heeheehee

Just the same typical justification. Well... someone else is bad so the evil of Islam is okay. Wake up! Islam is evil. It will remain evil until it confronts the evil within its' ranks. Pointing out evil elsewhere, whether real or imagined, does nothing to justify the evil within Islam. For proof of the intolerance of this "peaceful" religion look and see how many churches are in Mecca... Answer 0. Only Muslims are allowed in Mecca. Yeah real tolerant...

To start a church there you first have to sneak into Mecca and the penalty for sneaking into Mecca is deportation not death. After deportation you will then have the rest of the planet to start churches and subsequently raise all the money you wish in these new churches to start other churches. Mecca is however limited to prayer and worship only and prayer and worship only is by no means the primary activity of a typical christian church.

I do not need to justify God's law. It stands whether you like it or not. IF you are saying that the referenced scriptures from your bible are evil and you think God should be more tolerant then go on to church today and stand up and declare that these scriptures are evil and God's intolerance for His specific list of sins spelled out in both your bible and the Quran is evil.

[Pliny]

To start a church there you first have to sneak into Mecca and the penalty for sneaking into Mecca is deportation not death. After deportation you will then have the rest of the planet to start churches and subsequently raise all the money you wish in these new churches to start other churches. Mecca is however limited to prayer and worship only and prayer and worship only is by no means the primary activity of a typical christian church.

I do not need to justify God's law. It stands whether you like it or not. IF you are saying that the referenced scriptures from your bible are evil and you think God should be more tolerant then go on to church today and stand up and declare that these scriptures are evil and God's intolerance for His specific list of sins spelled out in both your bible and the Quran is evil.

You ALWAYS justify the murderous intent of Muslim Jihadists by attempting to point out evil in others whether it is real or imagined. Thus Islam, apparently by your own standards, is evil since you ALWAYS attempt to justify it. Now you are trying to justify the intolerance of Islam exemplified at Mecca with claptrap. As to justifying your gods laws you are right, you cannot justify it. Your profit is a pedophile. Your unholy quran is supposed to have come from an angel. On this I agree. However, it was NOT the angel the pedophile states but the devil himself.

Islam will always be an evil religion until:
There is true tolerance.
Churches and non-Muslims are allowed in Mecca.
Islam takes a stand against the murderous Jihadists.
Muslims stop their kidnapping and rape of Coptic Christians.
Muslims stop murdering innocent people in the streets.
Muslims stop murdering people in the work place.
Muslims stop honor killings.
Muslims stop marrying 9 year old girls - pedophilia.

And the list goes on and on.

Now go ahead and justify all this with your ignorant examples of - well others are bad too. It is funny watching you justify evil by attempting to point out evil in others whether it be real or imagined.

The difference between Christianity and Islam is that Islam justifies evil while Christianity seeks to stamp it out by individual responsibility. You have proven this time and time and time again... :laffatu

[Walks_in_islam]

(laughing) Please go and copy and paste the posts where I justified Muslim Jihadists

Pick up your Bible and quote chapter, verse, and scripture related to marriage age.

There is true tolerance.
Churches and non-Muslims are allowed in Mecca. Pick up your bible and quote chapter, verse, and scripture where non-believers should be allowed into a holy place of worship and where excluding them is evil.

Islam takes a stand against the murderous Jihadists.

Terrorists are put to death for terrorism in Muslim countries

Muslims stop their kidnapping and rape of Coptic Christians.

Islamic law:

The punishment for rape in Islam is same as the punishment for zina, which is stoning if the perpetrator is married, and one hundred lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married.

Muslims stop murdering innocent people in the streets.

Islamic law:

The punishment for murder in Islam is death equal to that of the death suffered by the victim.

“And there is (a saving of) life for you in al-Qisas, the law of equal penalty (killer to be equally killed); O you men of understanding, that you may restrain yourselves.” Qur’an, 2:180.



Muslims stop murdering people in the work place.

See above

Muslims stop honor killings.

Islamic law:

“And those who accuse free women then do not bring four witnesses, flog them, (giving) eighty stripes, and do not admit any evidence from them ever; and these it is that are the transgressors.
Except those who repent after this and act aright, for surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. ”

— Qur'an, Sura 24 (An-Nur), ayat 4-5

"The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment."

— Qur'an, Sura 24 (An-Nur), ayat 2

NOTE: "Honor Killings" are not based on Islamic law but non-Islamic culture

Muslims stop marrying 9 year old girls - pedophilia.

Please pick up your Bible and quote chapter, verse, and scripture related to marriage age


You ALWAYS justify the murderous intent of Muslim Jihadists by attempting to point out evil in others whether it is real or imagined. Thus Islam, apparently by your own standards, is evil since you ALWAYS attempt to justify it. Now you are trying to justify the intolerance of Islam exemplified at Mecca with claptrap. As to justifying your gods laws you are right, you cannot justify it. Your profit is a pedophile. Your unholy quran is supposed to have come from an angel. On this I agree. However, it was NOT the angel the pedophile states but the devil himself.

Islam will always be an evil religion until:
There is true tolerance.
Churches and non-Muslims are allowed in Mecca.
Islam takes a stand against the murderous Jihadists.
Muslims stop their kidnapping and rape of Coptic Christians.
Muslims stop murdering innocent people in the streets.
Muslims stop murdering people in the work place.
Muslims stop honor killings.
Muslims stop marrying 9 year old girls - pedophilia.

And the list goes on and on.

Now go ahead and justify all this with your ignorant examples of - well others are bad too. It is funny watching you justify evil by attempting to point out evil in others whether it be real or imagined.

The difference between Christianity and Islam is that Islam justifies evil while Christianity seeks to stamp it out by individual responsibility. You have proven this time and time and time again... :laffatu

[Luke]

Nice hair Luke. Good pentecostal cut, proper lengths of sideburns and proper placement relative to the shirt collar.

Now about your taunt..... no response back from you? Are you gathering some information or something? Cat got your tongue? It has been decided to make an example of you here.

Please share the teachings and standards of your "founder" Jesus with the rest of us then post your rules and standards and the rules and standards of your church under those of Jesus and lets all compare them together. This could lead to weeks and weeks of potential fun.

Please let it be noted that we are comparing riligous folowers to religous followers rather Mohammad was the founder of your religion not a simple follower also according to your faith since he was your opinon a prophet he was perfect and sinless therefore it is impossible to condemn a pedophile

http://www.biblegateway.com/ Here is a link to your bible in all versions. Sins are defined there right? Please use Jesus' teaching or anyone else's teaching and pull up Mohammad's sin in his committed marriage to Aisha and use the words there to condemn him. Go right ahead and put up. Offered to you is your own book and your own teachings to do so.

Prophets in Islam do not sin? Who taught that to you? Mohammad was corrected by God throughout the Quran many times. Others who are noted as Prophets in Islam: Abraham sinned. David and Solomon sinned. Job sinned. Jonah sinned. Moses and Aaron sinned. Adam sinned. Solomon sinned. Yet these in their sins were held blameless to God due to their repentence and humility.

What is the penalty I wonder for speaking for or on behalf of God and for defining or dictating a path to Him that He did not outline through His Prophets and through his Books?

Speak. Here is your opportunity to put me in my place.

First let me say that i did not say that Mohammed had sinned rather i said it is impossible to condemn a pedophile without admiting that your founder was wrong and false prophet since he sinned.

Secondly let me address the statement that i made dealing with the muslim doctrine that teaches the sinnlessness of prophets by citeing a few sources:

Throughout the Muslim world today it is generally believed that all of the prophets enjoyed an isma, a protection against sin, and that they were accordingly sinless.

The orthodox belief is that the prophets do not commit sin, and are sinless (ma'sum), but this dogma contradicts various statements of the Qur'an and of Muhammad as recorded in the Traditions. (Klein, The Religion of Islam, p. 109)

All the Prophets are exempt from sins, both light and grave, from unbelief and sordid deeds. Yet stumbling and mistakes may happen on their part. (Wensinck, The Muslim Creed, p. 192).

Muslim orthodoxy, therefore, drew the logically correct conclusion that the prophets must be regarded as immune from serious errors (the doctrine of isma). (Rahman, Islam, p. 32).

The prophets are human beings ordained by Allah to carry the divine message and reform mankind because of their psychological and intellectual perfection and their righteous behavior. (www.ezsoftech.com/Akram/islamicdoctrine.asp)

Now let me explain that I am no expert on islamic doctrine and i had never heard of the islamic teaching of sinnlessness of prophets until about three years ago while in England i met an older islamic gentleman from Egypt whith whom i spent about 3 hours sitting and talking too about the differences of Christianity and islam.

My point that i was making but you seem to have missed was simply that islamist cannot condemn pedophilia without also condemning their founder. Do you agree with this statement or not?

[Walks_in_islam]

First let me say that i did not say that Mohammed had sinned rather i said it is impossible to condemn a pedophile without admiting that your founder was wrong and false prophet since he sinned.

Secondly let me address the statement that i made dealing with the muslim doctrine that teaches the sinnlessness of prophets by citeing a few sources:

Throughout the Muslim world today it is generally believed that all of the prophets enjoyed an isma, a protection against sin, and that they were accordingly sinless.

The orthodox belief is that the prophets do not commit sin, and are sinless (ma'sum), but this dogma contradicts various statements of the Qur'an and of Muhammad as recorded in the Traditions. (Klein, The Religion of Islam, p. 109)

All the Prophets are exempt from sins, both light and grave, from unbelief and sordid deeds. Yet stumbling and mistakes may happen on their part. (Wensinck, The Muslim Creed, p. 192).

Muslim orthodoxy, therefore, drew the logically correct conclusion that the prophets must be regarded as immune from serious errors (the doctrine of isma). (Rahman, Islam, p. 32).

The prophets are human beings ordained by Allah to carry the divine message and reform mankind because of their psychological and intellectual perfection and their righteous behavior. (www.ezsoftech.com/Akram/islamicdoctrine.asp)

Now let me explain that I am no expert on islamic doctrine and i had never heard of the islamic teaching of sinnlessness of prophets until about three years ago while in England i met an older islamic gentleman from Egypt whith whom i spent about 3 hours sitting and talking too about the differences of Christianity and islam.

My point that i was making but you seem to have missed was simply that islamist cannot condemn pedophilia without also condemning their founder. Do you agree with this statement or not?

I did not miss your point at all

1. You wish Mohammad condemned
2. In order to condemn Mohammad you must clearly define what he did wrong
3. A wrong is a sin
4. As requested, please pick up your bible and define his sin

I noticed that you went to many sources however I politely gave you one and asked you to use it. Here are 100 versions of the source I asked you to use

http://www.biblegateway.com/

I am really not otherwise interested in having you teach me about my own beliefs from websites.

[Luke]

I did not miss your point at all

[QUOTE=Walks_in_islam;1257866]1. You wish Mohammad condemned

I never said that i wished mohammad condemned rather i said it is impossible for muslims to condemn pedophilia without condemning its founder.


2. In order to condemn Mohammad you must clearly define what he did wrong
3. A wrong is a sin

Are you implying that according to islam he did not sin and that pedphilia is not considered a sin in islam or by you?

4. As requested, please pick up your bible and define his sin

I noticed that you went to many sources however I politely gave you one and asked you to use it. Here are 100 versions of the source I asked you to use

http://www.biblegateway.com/

I am really not otherwise interested in having you teach me about my own beliefs from websites.

I cited those sources so as to show that i had not made that doctrine of sinnless prophets (according to islam) up as was implied. I take it that you do not hold to that doctine.

[Walks_in_islam]

[QUOTE=Walks_in_islam;1257866]I did not miss your point at all

I never said that i wished mohammad condemned rather i said it is impossible for muslims to condemn pedophilia without condemning its founder.

So you already condemned him yourself? I am unstunned as this is not a new action for a pentecostal LOL

Are you implying that according to islam he did not sin and that pedphilia is not considered a sin in islam or by you?

Implying? I am not 'implying' a thing. I am telling you directly that according to the BIBLE Mohammad did not sin and that marrying and consummating a marriage after the girl reaches sexual maturity is not considered a sin in the BIBLE (Christianity) OR Islam. Are you implying that you sit above God Himself and are, from that position above God, qualified to state otherwise? If you think you are not then you owe me some scripture to back up this sin thing and if there is no scripture then you owe me an apology. If you think you are then you must be pentecostal and your views matter little because you don't follow the bible or any other word of God anyway.

The age for consummation of marriage in Islam has always been puberty. I am saying that a person who (1) signed a marriage contract, (2) waited 3 years for his wife to reach puberty, then (3) brought her into his house as his wife appears to have followed the cultural norms of the day and from a legal standpoint based on christian law up until about 100 years ago committed no crime and from a BIBLICAL standpoint committed no sin.

But wait! Hey.........I forgot altogether that it doesn't need to be biblical AT ALL for a pentecostal to condemn it as a sin. Noted with amusement is your second opportunity to demonstrate your rapier knowledge of the bible and use God's word to set me in my place.

:thumbsup

NOTE: Could you maybe tell the pedophiles in your pentecostal ranks that it would be good to follow the Prophet's example and (1) wait for their victim to reach sexual maturity and (2) marry the victim first?

<gasp> Mohammad also had an evil sinful beard! Does that mean he can't play the drums in your church or sit on your platform? Because Jesus also had one........

I cited those sources so as to show that i had not made that doctrine of sinnless prophets (according to islam) up as was implied. I take it that you do not hold to that doctine.



(laughing) NOBODY holds to that doctrine. What is true and what is taught is that the Prophets and Messengers were infallable in their obedience to God and in their following and delivering their message from God. Below is what real Muslim scholars teach, not tale-telling Muslim-bashers like Bruce Klein. Bruce Klein would not be the first inaccurate teacher however to grace a pentecostal platform LOL

Yes, the Prophets and Messengers made mistakes, but Allaah did not approve of their mistakes; rather, He pointed out their mistakes as a Mercy to them and their ummahs, and He forgave their mistakes and accepted their repentance as a Grace and Mercy, for Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. This will be clear to anyone who checks out the aayaat of the Qur’aan in which the matters raised in the question are discussed… With regard to the sons of Aadam, even though they were not Prophets… Allaah explained how evil was the deed which he did to his brother…
Fataawaa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah

Most of the reports from the majority of scholars state that they were not infallible with regard to minor mistakes, but they were not allowed to persist in them; they do not say that this could never happen at all. The first suggestion that they were completely infallible came from the Raafidis, who say that they are so infallible that they could never make any mistake even by way of forgetfulness and misunderstanding.
Majmoo’ al-Fataawaa, 4/320

The view that the Prophets were protected from major sins (kabaa’ir) but not from minor sins (saghaa’ir) is the view of the majority of the scholars of Islam and all the sects… It is also the view of the majority of the scholars of tafseer and hadeeth, and of the fuqahaa’. Nothing was reported from any of the Salaf, Imaams, Sahaabah, Taabi’een or the successive generation that does not agree with this view.
Majmaa’ al-Fataawaa, 4/319

[Luke]

So you already condemned him yourself? I am unstunned as this is not a new action for a pentecostal LOL. I never said that i condemed him please show where i did? Let me again state what i said "it is impossible for muslims to condemn pedophilia without condemning its founder."

Is my statement correct?





Implying? I am not 'implying' a thing. I am telling you directly that according to the BIBLE Mohammad did not sin and that marrying and consummating a marriage after the girl reaches sexual maturity is not considered a sin in the BIBLE (Christianity) OR Islam. Are you implying that you sit above God Himself and are, from that position above God, qualified to state otherwise? If you think you are not then you owe me some scripture to back up this sin thing and if there is no scripture then you owe me an apology. If you think you are then you must be pentecostal and your views matter little because you don't follow the bible or any other word of God anyway.

The age for consummation of marriage in Islam has always been puberty. I am saying that a person who (1) signed a marriage contract, (2) waited 3 years for his wife to reach puberty, then (3) brought her into his house as his wife appears to have followed the cultural norms of the day and from a legal standpoint based on christian law up until about 100 years ago committed no crime and from a BIBLICAL standpoint committed no sin.

So you are saying you have no problem with pedophilia?



(laughing) NOBODY holds to that doctrine. What is true and what is taught is that the Prophets and Messengers were infallable in their obedience to God and in their following and delivering their message from God.

If someone is infallable in their obedience to God then would they not be sinnless?

[Walks_in_islam]

I never said that i condemed him please show where i did? Let me again state what i said "it is impossible for muslims to condemn pedophilia without condemning its founder."

Is my statement correct?

So you are saying you have no problem with pedophilia?



If someone is infallable in their obedience to God then would they not be sinnless?




You have not yet defined "pedophelia" from a scriptural context. Still waiting. Once scripturally defined I will let you know if I have a problem with it. I do not think you're quite the man for that job though. You appear to spend more time on websites than in the scripture and I am not really the right one to bluff into convincing me that it is there without spelling it out for me.

I do have a problem with the idea that someone would have or would want to have sexual relations with a prepubescent child


As clearly spelled out in the stories of the prophets and including in your own bible one does not have to be sinless to be defined by God as righteous. Obedience to God is obedience to His laws and His laws spell out clearly the steps and requirements for repentance and making right what is wrong

You were also going to clearly define how "Jesus" founded your church. I really don't need your input for this but would you like me to point out all of the beliefs and standards you hold that Jesus had nothing to do with and all of the activities that you engage in that Jesus specifically forbid?

Maybe this is not the right thread for you after all. This one requests some scriptural backing for your idle chatter. You would be WAY better off discussing sleeve lengths and skirt lengths and pants lengths and hairline location and sideburn location and (this is really ironic on the internet) and the sin of watching TV and the sin of not tithing because tithing is the ONLY original law carried over from the Old Testament (snicker) and OH OH I know I know holy uncut hair vs. sinful long hair and OH OH sinfulness of beards and public fundraisers and how the USSR is the beast or a computer in Belgium is the beast or the pope is the beast or the EU is the kingdom of the beast. You would be a real warrior in a thread like that dude.

[Walks_in_islam]

I never said that i condemed him please show where i did? Let me again state what i said "it is impossible for muslims to condemn pedophilia without condemning its founder."


please show where i did

UM sure. You did it right here genius:

it is impossible for muslims to condemn pedophilia without condemning its founder

[Luke]

please show where i did

UM sure. You did it right here genius:

it is impossible for muslims to condemn pedophilia without condemning its founder

Wow you must not read what you qoute or you would see that you are making no sense at all. In the qoute that you posted from me never condemned anyone rather i said a muslim cant condemn a pedophile without condemning thier founder. This is not me condemning anyone this is simply me pointing out how incosistent a muslim would be if he comdemned a pedophile.

So again i ask do you agree that for a muslim to be consistent if he/she condemned pedophilia would he/she not also habve to have to condemn mohammad also or atleast say that he had repented of this later?

Also please show me where i said that mohammad had sinned.

(i think he did in that he denied the diety of Jesus and denied His death and ressurection)

[Walks_in_islam]

Wow you must not read what you qoute or you would see that you are making no sense at all. In the qoute that you posted from me never condemned anyone rather i said a muslim cant condemn a pedophile without condemning thier founder. This is not me condemning anyone this is simply me pointing out how incosistent a muslim would be if he comdemned a pedophile.

So again i ask do you agree that for a muslim to be consistent if he/she condemned pedophilia would he/she not also habve to have to condemn mohammad also or atleast say that he had repented of this later?

Also please show me where i said that mohammad had sinned.

(i think he did in that he denied the diety of Jesus and denied His death and ressurection)

What's the matter? You stutter when you lie? Can't spell when you lie?

Right skippy you cannot condemn anyone. You can not say that Mohammad sinned nor can you say that Mohammad was a pedophile. Nor does your bible. You can say that Mohammad's wife was promised to him at a young age and when she reached maturity, also at a young age, she moved to his house and lived there as his wife until he died. Just like girls did for hundreds of years after Mohammad died and was buried, even in the christian church.

Since you are so fascinated with pedophelia I will help you. THESE are the actions of pedophiles so next time you see some pedophilia you will recognize it for what it is. Try not to cover it up either as you people seem to be so prone to do.

The rules at the Apostolic Faith Church in Portland in the 1980s were very strict: Women and girls wore skirts and long-sleeved shirts. No makeup, no jewelry, no TV.
What wasn't strict, a $5.25 million lawsuit alleges, was the church's policy about hiring men to work in the church's daycare center or as assistant pastors.

On Wednesday, a 30-year-old Portland woman known only under the pseudonym "HK" in the lawsuit, said she was sexually abused by daycare worker James Sheals and assistant pastor Walt Smith. The abuse started when she was 4 and ended when she was 8, spanning 1986 through 1990, she said at a news conference.

Attorney Kelly Clark said church officials knew they had a widespread problem with pedophiles operating inside the church, but did nothing about it.


You cannot share the details of Jesus' death and resurrection either. Any version of the story from any gospel that you choose to share contradicts the other three gospels. Every single detail from the soldiers in the garden to what happened on the cross to who was there and saw what after the crucifixion is rife with decrepency from gospel to gospel. The gospels don't even get Jesus' "last words" right. Whoever penned them (1) wasn't there and (2) ALSO stutter when they lie, like you do. LOL.....

You were going to outline how Jesus founded your church and your religion. Did you forget? Third request to put up dude. Bring it.

Does your church teach this?

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Does your church teach this?

For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Does your church teach this?

Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

Does your church teach this?

So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Does your church teach this?

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

Does your church teach this?

When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 17 But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, 18 so that it will not be obvious to others that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

[Luke]

What's the matter? You stutter when you lie? Can't spell when you lie?

Right skippy you cannot condemn anyone. You can not say that Mohammad sinned nor can you say that Mohammad was a pedophile. Nor does your bible. You can say that Mohammad's wife was promised to him at a young age and when she reached maturity, also at a young age, she moved to his house and lived there as his wife until he died. Just like girls did for hundreds of years after Mohammad died and was buried, even in the christian church.

Since you are so fascinated with pedophelia I will help you. THESE are the actions of pedophiles so next time you see some pedophilia you will recognize it for what it is. Try not to cover it up either as you people seem to be so prone to do.

The rules at the Apostolic Faith Church in Portland in the 1980s were very strict: Women and girls wore skirts and long-sleeved shirts. No makeup, no jewelry, no TV.
What wasn't strict, a $5.25 million lawsuit alleges, was the church's policy about hiring men to work in the church's daycare center or as assistant pastors.

On Wednesday, a 30-year-old Portland woman known only under the pseudonym "HK" in the lawsuit, said she was sexually abused by daycare worker James Sheals and assistant pastor Walt Smith. The abuse started when she was 4 and ended when she was 8, spanning 1986 through 1990, she said at a news conference.

Attorney Kelly Clark said church officials knew they had a widespread problem with pedophiles operating inside the church, but did nothing about it.


You cannot share the details of Jesus' death and resurrection either. Any version of the story from any gospel that you choose to share contradicts the other three gospels. Every single detail from the soldiers in the garden to what happened on the cross to who was there and saw what after the crucifixion is rife with decrepency from gospel to gospel. The gospels don't even get Jesus' "last words" right. Whoever penned them (1) wasn't there and (2) ALSO stutter when they lie, like you do. LOL.....

You were going to outline how Jesus founded your church and your religion. Did you forget? Third request to put up dude. Bring it.

Does your church teach this?

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Does your church teach this?

For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Does your church teach this?

Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

Does your church teach this?

So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Does your church teach this?

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

Does your church teach this?

When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 17 But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, 18 so that it will not be obvious to others that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Lets try to keep this on topic by returning to the unanswered question, Can muslims condemn pedophilia without also condemning their founder? A simple yes or no will work perfectly.

[Walks_in_islam]

Lets try to keep this on topic by returning to the unanswered question, Can muslims condemn pedophilia without also condemning their founder? A simple yes or no will work perfectly.

Kind reminder: This topic is about a group of British Muslims who saved a Jewish Synagogue

Since you appear to have some sort of sick impulse to feed some personal fetish you appear to wish to insist to discuss pedophilia which actually has nothing to do with the topic on hand. Reworded: In your giddy, trembling excitement to bring the topic completely away from what the title and subject says it is you look quite funny insisting that we "keep on the topic" that you introduced with ferver and enthusiasm.

On the issue of your "question".

it is impossible for muslims to condemn pedophilia without condemning its founder

This is actually not a question. It is a statement. Your rapier wit and sharp communication skills simply forgot to tick the question mark (probably in your giddy excitement to get some pedophilic discussion started and keep some pedophilic discussion going). Also in your what is frankly becoming worrisome excitement to talk more and more and more about pedophelia and children you have forgotten to use your bible to define, from a godly and spiritual position, what is marriage and what should be the correct age of marriage like I asked you to do on three, now four different occasions.

I did answer it and I will repeat the answer. Listen up. Islamic teachings recognize and define puberty as the age of consummation of an Islamic marriage. Mohammad, whose marriage with Aisha was arranged (3) years before she actually moved to his house, followed this practice.

If you have a problem with the above answer please pick up your bible, fifth request, and declare it to be a sinful and unlawful answer. Otherwise, if you wish to further discuss children and pedophilia kindly do so among your peers.

"Jesus founded my beliefs" WAS your topic but you really can't demonstrate that either. In fact you can't demonstrate much of anything except you LOVE to talk about pedophilia.

[Luke]

Pedophilia? You are sitting in a nation founded on the principles of "christian pedophelia"

William Williams (April 23, 1731 – August 2, 1811) was a merchant, and a delegate for Connecticut to the Continental Congress in 1776, and a signatory of the Declaration of Independence. Williams was born in Lebanon, Connecticut, the son of a minister, Tim Solomon Williams, and Mary Porter. He studied theology and graduated from Harvard in 1751. He continued preparation for the ministry for a year, but then joined the militia to fight in the French and Indian War. After the war, he opened a store in Lebanon, which he called The Williams Inc.

Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) was only 9 when she was married to William Williams.

My favorite:

In the United States, by the 1880s, most states set the age of consent at 10–12, and in one state, Delaware, the age of consent was only 7.

Do you know why the age of consent in Delaware was 7 for so long?

I will brief you on what I think

1887 - Delaware was the First State to ratify the constitution. Prior to that, you had to be a Christian to hold a position in the Delaware government.

Pedophilia ended in America ONLY when the constitution prohibited christian religious rule. Now: it just happens under the platform.

May I understand why Mohammad was a pedophile 1200 years before christian leaders set the age of consent in a current US state at 7 years old?

Thank you for answering my question in the affirmative that it is impossible for islamist to condemn pedophilia because to them it is not wrong which seeing as how their founder practised pedophilia it is easy to see how thye would see nothing wrong with it.

Also i quoted the post directly before my first post so as to show that was not the one that raised the pedophilia topic (to be fair neither were you the one who raised the topic either) but rather i responed to a topic that you were already conversing about.

[Walks_in_islam]

Thank you for answering my question in the affirmative that it is impossible for islamist to condemn pedophilia because to them it is not wrong which seeing as how their founder practised pedophilia it is easy to see how thye would see nothing wrong with it.

Also i quoted the post directly before my first post so as to show that was not the one that raised the pedophilia topic (to be fair neither were you the one who raised the topic either) but rather i responed to a topic that you were already conversing about.

Thank you for confirming my suspicions about the christian faith. It was pointed out that according to both the bible and culture / tradition at the time nothing was done wrong yet you continue to get some wierd charge out of saying "pedophilia" over and over and over.

ped·o·phil·i·a (pd-fl-, pd-)
n.
The act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children

You are right, you did not actually bring it up. However you, like your peers, have demonstrated a disturbing fascination with discussing and fantasizing about it in a topic that had NOTHING to do with it.

I give up on you getting your bible out. (laughing) you probably don't own one.