New "Apostolic" Bible

[Sam]

My memory (among other things) is not what it used to be.

Was there a thread on here a few months ago about a new "Apostolic" Bible that was not really a new Bible but just the KJV with Matthew 28:19 changed from "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" to "in my name"?

I seem to remember reading about it but I'm not sure if it was here or on some other forum.

If it was here, could someone give me a link to that thread?

Thank you

[Farfel]

My memory (among other things) is not what it used to be.

Was there a thread on here a few months ago about a new "Apostolic" Bible that was not really a new Bible but just the KJV with Matthew 28:19 changed from "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" to "in my name"?

I seem to remember reading about it but I'm not sure if it was here or on some other forum.

If it was here, could someone give me a link to that thread?

Thank you

It was here, but I can't seem to find it in the search.

[Arphaxad]

My memory (among other things) is not what it used to be.

Was there a thread on here a few months ago about a new "Apostolic" Bible that was not really a new Bible but just the KJV with Matthew 28:19 changed from "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" to "in my name"?

I seem to remember reading about it but I'm not sure if it was here or on some other forum.

If it was here, could someone give me a link to that thread?

Thank you

yeah, but I wager that you could remember the 69 world series:yourock

[navygoat1998]

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=41784

[renee819]

Hi Sam, FlamingZsword, told me about it.

I ordered the Kindle Edition from Amazon for 6.99.

I also want the Book. I don't think it is available until June 4. To contact them,

www.Apostolic-Bible.com

[MawMaw]

Hi Sam, FlamingZsword, told me about it.

I ordered the Kindle Edition from Amazon for 6.99.

I also want the Book. I don't think it is available until June 4. To contact them,

www.Apostolic-Bible.com

I believe that is the Bible in the advertisement on the sidebar here?

[Dedicated Mind]

this has to be a joke. is there even any apostolics that speak greek or hebrew? why don't we see any commentaries from pph unless they are dkb or segraves? i don't see any academic production from pph someone please enlighten me.

[hometown guy]

Kjv bible is as apostolic as it gets.

[Praxeas]

this has to be a joke. is there even any apostolics that speak greek or hebrew? why don't we see any commentaries from pph unless they are dkb or segraves? i don't see any academic production from pph someone please enlighten me.

Why doesn't Segraves count? How about French? How about Norris? Kinsey? Have you been through the Alpha Course?

[Praxeas]

How about this guy?

http://www.nbpc.org.au/the-pastor/
http://pentecostalpublishing.com/search/author/Rev.%20Don%20C.%20Modarelli

[LifeUncommon]

I believe you can find it by doing a quick Amazin search on "Pharisee Bible".

The "Apostolic Bible" is alarming and saddening. Slipped right down the slope.

[LifeUncommon]

Kjv bible is as apostolic as it gets.

Silly goose! They don't mean Apostolic as in the Apostles. They mean apostolic as in their denomination. Huge (and hugely important) difference.

But I agree with you.

[Dedicated Mind]

Why doesn't Segraves count? How about French? How about Norris? Kinsey? Have you been through the Alpha Course?i said segraves and dkb had the only academic books on pph. i was wrong, kinsey has one on ephesians, norris has one on oneness and your friend modarelli has one on church history and one on greek. wow! where are the ep sanders, nt wrights, james dg dunns, jurgen moltmans, paul tillichs on systematic theology, nt theology, jesus vs judaism, paul vs judaism, paul vs roman empire, prophecy, hermeneutics, response to liberation theology, significance of the kingdom of god like ladd, role of church in society etc? what is the alpha course, not on pph. got a link?

[FlamingZword]

My memory (among other things) is not what it used to be.

Was there a thread on here a few months ago about a new "Apostolic" Bible that was not really a new Bible but just the KJV with Matthew 28:19 changed from "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" to "in my name"?

I seem to remember reading about it but I'm not sure if it was here or on some other forum.

If it was here, could someone give me a link to that thread?

Thank you

the link is www.apostolic-bible.com

There is a Free Gospel of Matthew for those interested in seeing a sample of the Holy Apostolic Bible (HAB).
It has a Jesus Name Appendix with updated information about the Name of Jesus in Matthew 28:19

[Jenny]

this has to be a joke. is there even any apostolics that speak greek or hebrew? why don't we see any commentaries from pph unless they are dkb or segraves? i don't see any academic production from pph someone please enlighten me.

After you asked this question, Word Aflame Press put out the Apostolic Study Bible, King James Version. I bought a copy and have enjoyed the notes. It seems to be really helpful, and it does not twist the Scriptures or reword anything like that so-called "Apostolic" Bible. The contributors seem to have impressive credentials. But I imagine you have seen this Bible and know all this by now. What did you think of it?

[FlamingZword]

After you asked this question, Word Aflame Press put out the Apostolic Study Bible, King James Version. I bought a copy and have enjoyed the notes. It seems to be really helpful, and it does not twist the Scriptures or reword anything like that so-called "Apostolic" Bible. The contributors seem to have impressive credentials. But I imagine you have seen this Bible and know all this by now. What did you think of it?

Where does "The Holy Apostolic Bible" twist the scriptures? can you show some examples?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Where does "The Holy Apostolic Bible" twist the scriptures? can you show some examples?

Isn't that the Bible that has in Acts 2:38 "Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit?" :D

[FlamingZword]

Isn't that the Bible that has in Acts 2:38 "Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit?" :D

Ha ha ha you are funny. :D

[Evang.Benincasa]

Ha ha ha you are funny. :D

I thought you would like that. :heeheehee

But seriously this past Friday I was in a discussion with a Jehovah Witness who walked up to a Bible study I was conducting. He asked if he could ask questions and I said sure. To make a long story short he ended up telling me that the original New Testament in the book of Acts the titles father, son, and holy spirit in all passages where it said Jesus name. Anyway, he got all flustered when I asked him if the New World Translation was the best English translation? I then asked if the New World Translation straightens everything which was incorrect in other translations to bring it closet to the original? He replied "of course!" I then asked "then why doesn't it say father, son, and holy spirit in Acts 2:38 if that what it said in the original? He then trooped off to join his wandering away group.

[Jito463]

I thought you would like that. :heeheehee

But seriously this past Friday I was in a discussion with a Jehovah Witness who walked up to a Bible study I was conducting. He asked if he could ask questions and I said sure. To make a long story short he ended up telling me that the original New Testament in the book of Acts the titles father, son, and holy spirit in all passages where it said Jesus name. Anyway, he got all flustered when I asked him if the New World Translation was the best English translation? I then asked if the New World Translation straightens everything which was incorrect in other translations to bring it closet to the original? He replied "of course!" I then asked "then why doesn't it say father, son, and holy spirit in Acts 2:38 if that what it said in the original? He then trooped off to join his wandering away group.

:highfive

[Jenny]

Where does "The Holy Apostolic Bible" twist the scriptures? can you show some examples?
I went to their website, www.apostolic-bible.com, and they had the following:

Matthew 28:18-20
28:18 And Yeshua came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in my name:

My King James says "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost". I always assumed this to be correct, and this verse was used to explain Oneness to me since "name" was singular. I did not look it up in my Greek/English Interlinear. Perhaps I should have. At any rate, that difference was what made me think they were twisting the scriptures.

Let me know if the original manuscript really did say "in my name". That would really be something! Does anyone know what manuscript they used?

[Evang.Benincasa]

I went to their website, www.apostolic-bible.com, and they had the following:

Matthew 28:18-20
28:18 And Yeshua came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in my name:

My King James says "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost". I always assumed this to be correct, and this verse was used to explain Oneness to me since "name" was singular. I did not look it up in my Greek/English Interlinear. Perhaps I should have. At any rate, that difference was what made me think they were twisting the scriptures.

Let me know if the original manuscript really did say "in my name". That would really be something! Does anyone know what manuscript they used?

Well, well, well FZ she sure told you! :D

[FlamingZword]

I went to their website, www.apostolic-bible.com, and they had the following:

Matthew 28:18-20
28:18 And Yeshua came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in my name:

My King James says "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost". I always assumed this to be correct, and this verse was used to explain Oneness to me since "name" was singular. I did not look it up in my Greek/English Interlinear. Perhaps I should have. At any rate, that difference was what made me think they were twisting the scriptures.

Let me know if the original manuscript really did say "in my name". That would really be something! Does anyone know what manuscript they used?

Of course the original Hebrew Manuscript really did say "In my name" There is a mountain of evidence put as proof in the book "The Original Matthew 28:19 Restored (https://www.amazon.com/Original-Matthew-28-Restored-Appendix/dp/1494490765/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474833675&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Original+Matthew+28%3A19+Restored)."

[Evang.Benincasa]

Of course the original Hebrew Manuscript really did say "In my name" There is a mountain of evidence put as proof in the book "The Original Matthew 28:19 Restored (https://www.amazon.com/Original-Matthew-28-Restored-Appendix/dp/1494490765/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474833675&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Original+Matthew+28%3A19+Restored)."

That's right Jenny, so much evidence that makes everyone stick with Matthew 28:19 as is. :D

[Esaias]

Of course the original Hebrew Manuscript really did say "In my name" There is a mountain of evidence put as proof in the book "The Original Matthew 28:19 Restored (https://www.amazon.com/Original-Matthew-28-Restored-Appendix/dp/1494490765/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474833675&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Original+Matthew+28%3A19+Restored)."

Oh, so you found that "original Hebrew manuscript", I see.

Why didn't you notify anyone in the academic world? Where'd you find it, a dust-bin at a monastery in the Sinai?

[Esaias]

I have a feeling that brother Ledeay's Hebrew original of Revelation is in that same dust-bin...

[Evang.Benincasa]

I have a feeling that brother Ledeay's Hebrew original of Revelation is in that same dust-bin...

Bro, you kill me.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/3oEduPQqbpT1LqVOz6/200w.gif

[FlamingZword]

That's right Jenny, so much evidence that makes everyone stick with Matthew 28:19 as is. :D

There are plenty of people who do not stick with Matthew 28:19 as is.

So the joke is on you.

[Evang.Benincasa]

There are plenty of people who do not stick with Matthew 28:19 as is.

So the joke is on you.

Really? Ok, please show us all the Bible translations which omit the traditional rendering of Matthew 28:19.

I await your findings my good friend and dear brother. :)

[FlamingZword]

Really? Ok, please show us all the Bible translations which omit the traditional rendering of Matthew 28:19.

I await your findings my good friend and dear brother. :)

OK Here are at least 30 bible translations.

The Gospel of the Hebrews:
“And that monk [Annarikhus] said unto him [Cyril], 'The Christ said,
'Go ye forth into all the world, and teach ye all the nations in My Name in every place.”

The Gospel of the Holy Twelve has the following. "As I send you, so send ye others also, to do these things in my Name, and he laid his hands upon them….Thus it is written, and thus it behooved the Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead after the third day. And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in my name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And you are witnesses of these things.”

The Evangelion da-Mepharreshê. The Curetonian Version of the Four Gospels (1904), It has the following text for Matthew 28:19 translated from the Old Syriac texts.
“Go forth [and] make disciples of all the peoples, and they shall believe in me”

The Gospel of Jesus: by Clayton Raymond gives the great commission as follows:
“Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in my name.”

The Gospel of Matthew according to a Primitive Hebrew Text an English translation of the Hebrew Gospel of Matthew by George Howard, published in 1987, from ’Even Bohan by rabbi Shem-Tov (1385), at Matthew 28:19,20 we read:
“Go and teach them to carry out all the things which I have commanded you forever.”

The Feast of Pentecost Bible by Elijah M. Brady published in 1999 has the following text at Matthew 28:19
“Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, in my name:”

The Truth Bible A collaborative work by (Dr. Marvin M. Arnold, Dr. Clinton Willis and Elder William Connor), published in 2000. On page 11 Matthew 28:19 is quoted as
“Go ye and make disciples of all nations in My Name, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you.”

La traducción Kadosh Israelita Messiánica by Diego Ascunce published in 2003 has the following text at Matthew 28:19 (S)
“Por lo tanto, vayan a hacer talmidim a gente de todas las naciones, dándoles la inmersión en mi Nombre.”
“Therefore go and make talmidim of the people of all the nations, giving them the immersion in my Name.”

The Power New Testament by William J. Morford published in 2003, has at Matthew 28:19, 20:
“19 Therefore when you go, you must make disciples of all the heathens, 20. Teaching them to keep all the things that I have been commanding you: and behold I AM with you all the days until the end of the age.”

Restoration Scriptures True Name Edition by Rabbi Moshe Yoseph Koniuchowsky published in 2004 ends its Matthew 28:19 as follows:
“Go therefore, and make talmidim of all nations, doing mikvah upon them in My Name.”

El Código Real. Spanish New Testament version by Professor Daniel ben Avraham Hayyim published in 2004 ends its Matthew text as follows (S):
“Id con urgencia y hacedme tantos talmidim como podáis entre todas las naciones.”
“Go with urgency and make me as many talmidim as you can among all the nations.”
In a footnote, Professor Hayyim argues that baptism should be in the name of Yeshua.

The Netzarim Reconstruction of Hebrew Matiytyahu by Yirmeyahu Ben-David published in 2004 has the following content of Matthew 28:18-19
“Go and watchguard over the authority, prestige and Realm, to ratify all of these things”

Matthew, Restored and translated from Hebrew to English by João Paulo Fernandes Pontes (published in April 7, 2005, updated in June 14, 2009)
“Go ye, and teach them to fulfill all things that I commanded you forever.”

The New Simplified Bible, by James R. Madsen, published in 2005 has both texts in comparison format, he cites the traditional text using Gerome’s Latin Vulgate (405 C.E.) and then he cites the presumptive text, which would be in Matthew’s Hebrew Manuscript (50 C.E.):
“Go and make disciples, of all the nations, to believe in my name.”

Besorah Matityah, The Good News according to Matthew (As translated from the Hebrew) (Ed. 1: 2006) by Disciples of Yeshuwa' Mashiyach has the following in Matthew 28:19
"Go ye and invite (Hebrew: qara. Matthew 22:9) all the people (Hebrew: haawm. Isaiah 9:1. Matthew 4:16. 22:9) to believe [Hebrew: aman] in my name [Isaiah 28:16. 53:1. Matityah 4:17, 23. 16:16. Yochanon 3:16, 18. 6:40. 20:31. Acts 10:43. 1 Yochanon 3:23. 5:13. Revelation 2:13] and to do my words [Deuteronomy 18:18, 19. Matthew 7:24. 1 Yochanon 3:23].

An American English Bible (Chief Editor Jim Wheeler) is an Internet Bible version begun in 2001. In the Gospel of Matthew created on January 22, 2007 it has the following text:
“So, go make disciples in all nations in my name.”

A Non-Ecclesiastical New Testament by Frank Daniels, published in 2008, has a different version system and at the end it has the following.
“Therefore, go and make students of all the nations, baptizing them into [my] name.”

Kata Mattyah: According to Matthew From The Hebraic New Testament of Yahshua the Messiah by Jackson H. Snyder published in 2008 has at Matthew 28:19, 20:
“19 So going on your way, instruct kol ‘edah of shemi, 20 teaching them to observe all I commanded you; then they will enumah in me.”
In the end note Snyder says about the meaning of the alternative Eusebian variant, which he renders as follow: “So going on, instruct all tribes in my name, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And hinneh! I am with you every day to the consummation of the age!”
The updated version in August 2014 has this change at Matthew 28:19
19 Go Ye, and make disciples of all nations Le'hatavil Otem B'shemi (Immersing them in My Name).

Hebraic Transliteration Scripture by Janet E. Shen, published in 2009, has the following text at Matthew 28:19:
“Go you therefore, and teach all nations, immersing them in My Name:”

Nuevo Testamento Edición del nombre verdadero published in 2009 has the following at Matthew 28:19
“Por tanto, vayan, y hagan talmidim de todas las naciones, haciendo mikvah a ellos en Mi Nombre:”
Go therefore and make talmidim of all the nations, doing Mikvah to them in My Name.

The Abrahamic-Faith Nazarene Hebraic Study Scriptures by Rabbi Simon Altaf, published in 2010 has the following at Matthew 28:19:
Ed. 1: “Go therefore, and make disciples of all nations, V’ Tavilotym (Immersing) them in My Name.”

Ed. 2: Hidden Truths Hebraic Scrolls Brit Ha Chadasha (2013)
19 Go therefore, and make disciples of all nations Utvilotym Atem B’shem shali (Immersing them in My Name).

Another favored ending is as follows in the short Hebrew form noted to be the oldest.
אתםלכו19
19 Go to them

Las Sagradas Escrituras: Versión Reina Valera Restaurada electronic edition from 2011, says at Matthew 28:19:
“Por tanto, vayan. y enseñen a todos los gentiles, sumergiéndoles en mi nombre:”
“Go ye therefore and teach all the gentiles, immersing them in my name”

The Gospel of the Kingdom for Students: A Harmony of the Four Gospels, by Robert Roberg, published in 2011: has the following at Matthew 28:19:
“Go and teach all nations spirit-baptizing and water baptizing them.”

The Holy Bible, or the Holy Old and New Covenants: The Victory Version (a work in progress, not yet finished) by Clifford Robert Besson of Truth and Light Ministries Inc, Canada, March 2011, stated text of Hebrew of Matthew 28:19 rewritten by Shem-Tob has .
“Go to them”.
That rendering is not a full accurate translation. The correct, word-by-word translation is: “Go we” or “Go ye”.

Mr. Besson informed us in an e-mail dated June 6, 2013, that he is still working on the Victory Version and regarding our ministry rendition of The Holy Apostolic Bible he says:
“It appears that they got that verse in Mat. 28:19 right.” Well we thank you Minister Besson.

Pacto Mesiánico by Mijael Kibutz published 2011, revised 2013: has the following at Matthew 28:19:
“Por tanto, yendo hagan discípulos a todas las naciones”
“Because of that, as you go make disciples of all the nations”

Biblia. Versión Israelita Nazarena (Spanish), Ch. Ed. José Ántonio Alvarez Rivera, published in 2012: Has: Matthew 28:19-20:
19 “Vayan y enséñenles a guardar todas las cosas que yo les he mandado para siempre.*
20

19 “Go and teach them to guard all the things which I have commanded you forever*:
20

[B]The Original Gospel of Matthew in Hebrew The Final Reconstruction of Matthew by Standford Rives, reconstructs Matthew 28:19 as follows:
"Go to them and make disciples of all nations in my name.”

[B]The Testimony of Yeshua Gabriel Version by Lonnie Martin published in 2012 has the following at Matthew 28:19.
“So go and make disciples in every nation IN MY NAME”

Then it has the following footnote
“Constantine decreed that the trinitarian words, “baptizing them in the name of the Father
and of the Son and of the holy spirit” be substituted for “in My name”. This affected both
the later Greek and Aramaic texts.”

The New Messianic Version of the Bible: B'rit Chadashah (Volume 4) by Tov Rose from 2013 has following Mt 28:19
19 "Go and make disciples, of all the nations, to believe in my name

The Chronological Gospels: The Life and Seventy Week Ministry of the Messiah by Michael Rood (2013) has the following ending.
19 Go! 20 Teach all nations to carry out all the things that I have commanded you forever. According to Mattiyahu

The Revised English Version® (REV®) by John W. Schoenheit of Spirit and Truth Fellowship International published in 2013 has the following at Matthew 28:19
“Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations in my name,”

The Shem Qadosh Version of Scripture by translator Jonathan A. Brown published online updated version in September 2014, where we read at Mt 28:19.
19 Go and make Talmidim of all nations in My Name,

Da Bíblia Sagrada Original Reiterada (Portuguese) by Timothy Allen Barber published ©2014, has at Matthew 28:19
“Ide e fazei discípulos de todas as nações em MEU nome.”
“Go and make disciples of all nations in My name.”

The Holy Bible Urim Thummim Version Revised Edition by Dallas James, (Ed. 1, 2001). Updated April 2015 this has the text of Matthew 28:19 as follows:
“When you go forth in the way, make disciples of people of all the nations in my name,”

[Evang.Benincasa]

Wow, I'm going to buy everyone of them for my library.

Now where is the manuscript where all these translators found their evidence? :)

[Jason B]

Wow, I'm going to buy everyone of them for my library.

Now where is the manuscript where all these translators found their evidence? :)

The Holy Bible Urim Thummin version revised edition....you have to admit that sounds pretty convincing. ;)

[Evang.Benincasa]

The Holy Bible Urim Thummin version revised edition....you have to admit that sounds pretty convincing. ;)

:lol