New World Religon

[renee819]

I find Gary Kah, very knowledgeable as to what is happening.

The New World Religion
(Part 1 in a continuing series)

In my first book En Route to Global Occupation I summarized the economic, political and spiritual aspects of the one-world/New Age movement, showing their interaction in the pursuit ofa global civilization.

My latest book The New World Religion picks up where En Route left off,
bringing people up-to-date on the most recent developments while examining the one-world movement's spiritual roots and religious goals.

In order to achieve their occult objective, New Agers had to deal with the "problem" of Christianity which had been the main obstacle to their success. Christians had to somehow be neutralized or, if possible, seduced to unwittingly support their agenda. The modern ecumenical movement, as I documented in my book, has played a key role in accomplishing this mission.

Most people do not realize that today's ecumenical movement is an integral part of the broader one-world movement. The seeds for twentieth-century ecumenism were sown in the late 1800s. During that time there was a growing interest in achieving unity for the alleged purpose of building an earthly utopia. Masonically-inspired organizations, ranging from the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn to the Theosophical Society, were busy laying the groundwork for the next
century, which they hoped might finally usher in their long-awaited new world order.

Against this backdrop, religious leaders from around the world gathered in Chicago for an unprecedented ecumenical event – the 1893 Parliament of the World's Religions (also known as the Parliament of World Religions). The people who attended this international conference came from a variety of faiths. Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Roman Catholics, Protestants, and a host of others prayed and dialogued together for seventeen days. This was the largest interfaith
leadership conference of its kind up to that time.

In the following decades, two catastrophic world wars were fought, each adding to the one-world movement's momentum. World War I resulted in the League of Nations and World War II led to the United Nations. Both were created in the name of world peace. These institutions would give the secret societies a focal point around which they could rally religious leaders.

The public, worn down from years of war, was ready to accept a new approach to maintaining peace. The United Nations was presented as the only hope for peace between nations and unity among the world's religions.

Riding this crest of postwar sentiment, global planners seized the moment, attempting to unite the Protestant denominations through one organization. Although the spirit of ecumenism had been alive for decades, the founding of the pro-U.N. World Council of Churches in 1948 marked the beginning of the modern ecumenical era.

Strongly influenced by the Masonic Lodge and with funding from major "old money" sources such as the Rockefeller Foundation, the World Council of Churches (WCC) embarked on its mission. From the time of its first meeting in Amsterdam its purpose was clear: to help create the religious atmosphere for achieving a new world order.

In a report issued in 1994 at one of its meetings in Jerusalem, the WCC confirmed this intention, stating: "After the second world war, the establishment of the World Council of Churches in 1948 signalled the resolve of the
ecumenical community both to work for the fuller unity of the church and to participate in the struggle for a new just world order."

While the efforts of the World Council of Churches have been paramount in bringing some of the Protestant denominations together, no event would give greater momentum to the ecumenical movement than Vatican II.

The Catholic Encyclopedia proudly boasts, "The greatest religious event of the twentieth century, whose teachings and clarifications have yet to reach their full
impact, was the twenty-first Ecumenical Council, called Vatican II or the Second Vatican Council."

Vatican II, which opened on October 11, 1962 at St. Peter's Basilica in Rome, added fuel to the growing ecumenical movement and helped pave the way for the acceptance of interfaithism.

Pope John XXIII resided over the Council's proceedings. According to M. Basil Pennington, a prominent Catholic priest, the Council urged "all Christians…to act positively to preserve and even promote all that is good in other religions:
Hinduism, Buddhism, and other world religions."

To carry out this interfaith directive, the Vatican Council established the Secretariat for Non-Christians, which would eventually be renamed the Secretariat for World Religions.

Years later, Pope John Paul II would take the Council's initiatives a step further by holding an actual interfaith summit in Assisi, Italy (discussed in my book). This 1986 gathering, consisting of leaders from the world's major religions, and initiated by the Pope himself, would represent a visible transition from "ecumenism" to "interfaithism."

Although these terms are often used interchangeably today, historically the public has viewed ecumenism as an effort aimed at unifying Christian churches. Interfaithism, on the other hand, has been perceived as a broader attempt to unify the world's religions.

In spite of the public's perception, beneath the surface, ecumenism and interfaithism have been intertwined. The fact is,ecumenism has been used by New Age religious planners as a springboard to interfaithism.

Once most of Christendom had been brought together under a false unity, it was thought that Christianity might be prepared to go the next step by merging with the other religions.

Regarding the spiritual condition of the world in the latter days Jesus warned that "even the elect" would be deceived if that were possible (Matt 24:24). What better way to deceive believers than through a false unity which has the appearance of Christianity, but is actually rooted in pantheism and the occult?

During the next few months, as religious and political events unfold and the new millennium approaches, we will keep you abreast of ways in which the New Age/one-world movement is advancing its agenda – especially as it relates to Christians.
It is my sincere hope and prayer that our articles will not only inform you but will encourage biblical discernment and obedience to God's Word!

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[renee819]

I got no response from this Post. Is it because all of you already know this? If you have listened to Irvin Baxter, then I suppose you do. Do you know that they are training our children for a One World Government as well as a One World Religion that has it's roots in the Occult?

[Jason B]

I got no response from this Post. Is it because all of you already know this? If you have listened to Irvin Baxter, then I suppose you do. Do you know that they are training our children for a One World Government as well as a One World Religion that has it's roots in the Occult?

Actually I was converted through Irvin Baxters ministry. I think he overstates some things and may even be wrong about some things, I don't know and I've really moved away from an emphasis on prophecy the last several years. But I don't think its fair the way some people bag on him. God used his ministry to change my life nearly 14 years ago.

[renee819]

Yes, you are right. Some things I agree with him and some I don't.

And I can understand people not wanting to get into Prophecy.

For 50 years I was interested. It seems that every time I started studying anything in the Bible, I ended up getting into prophecy. Or I could start writing on just about any subject and I would end up writing on prophecy.
And I did find to study prophecy in depth, it leads you to just about every other subject. So I put my findings together and wrote a book on prophecy. And to my surprise I no longer wanted to talk, think or write about prophecy.

But I do feel God drawing me back, to warn people, because of the terrible times ahead of us. And the lax condition of the church.

And now it seems God is drawing me to study and write about the Doctrine. I've also written a book on doctrine, and want to get it published at Amazon, but can't figure out how to format it to get it published.

I believe that if we are sensitive to God's Spirit, and studying and praying, that God leads us to what He wants to show us.

[Moonlightpixel]

Irvin Baxter is not a prophet. He just wants to look like one. Though my favorite subject is prophecy.. it doesn't hurt to study what he has to say about the end time.

- Sierra.

[renee819]

This is old news, but the first time that I have read it. I'm going to try to find what they are doing now.

ONE-WORLD RELIGION NOW OFFICIALLY BORN!! A SPIRITUAL EQUIVALENT TO THE UNITED NATIONS!
Now, the political United Nations has a spiritual equivalent, a New World Order Religion, called "United Religions". The target date for full implementation is the same year as all other New World Order target date, 2,000 AD. A major development in the coming Kingdom of Antichrist

The New World Order is coming! Are you ready? Once you understand what this New World Order really is, and how it is being gradually implemented, you will be able to see it progressing in your daily news!!
Learn how to protect yourself, your loved ones!
Stand by for insights so startling you will never look at the news the same way again.
YOU ARE NOW ON
THE CUTTING EDGE
"Nearly 200 delegates wrapped up a week-long interfaith meeting at Stanford on Friday, predicting they had given birth to a movement as well as a spiritual institution: the United Religions. The 'spiritual United Nations', as some have referred to it, would be a world assembly for humanity's myriad spiritual traditions. The international 'summit conference' brought together delegates from every continent to inaugurate formal efforts to figure out the organization's structure and mission and launch a charter-writing process. After several years of talking, the initiative's planners had finally gotten down to business."

" 'You are deputized!', the Rev. William E. Swing, bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of California, told delegates as they prepared to go home. 'Tell the people that there is a United Religions, and that somewhere in the world, it is beginning to happen: that the religions are going to have an oasis where they can talk about peace.'[This conference was held June 23-27, 1997]

We have been predicting for a full decade now, that the current Ecumenical Movement was a precursor to the global religion of Antichrist, which, according to Scriptural Prophecy, is to be initially headed the False Prophet. Before we go any further in our current story, we need to first quickly review some basic information

The name of this seminar, " POSSIBLE AND PROBABLE EVENTS IN THE FUTURE", was held at the Boston office of the House of Theosophy on 8/18/91. During this seminar lecture, Lambert gave many important and revealing aspects of the New World Order Plan to produce Antichrist and his False Prophet. Lambert revealed that the person had been selected to fulfill this religious leadership position, and it was none other than the Roman Catholic Pope!!
Listen to Lambert's explanation:
"At the proper moment in history, the Pope will visit the combined Jewish/Christian/Moslem sector of Jerusalem to announce that all religions should be combined into one. "
Thus, the Roman Catholic Pope has been selected to be the top global religious leader of the New World Order Religion!!
This makes him the Biblical False Prophet!! But, what about the prophecy, in Rev 13:11-12, that he will be the same type of spiritually-empowered individual as the Antichrist? Fortunately, I had the opportunity to get this question answered, as well. When Mr. Lambert began his seminar, he stated that anyone could interrupt him at any time with a question, simply by raising his hand.

Shortly after stating that the Pope would be the leader of the New World Order Religion, Lambert began to share with us that the Antichrist can only arise after a significant people could accept him. Lambert likened this acceptance as "being a proper receptor" for the Christ [Antichrist]. Quoting Lambert:

At this point, I raised my hand to ask Mr. Lambert, 'You spoke earlier about the Pope going to Jerusalem; when Lord Maitreya makes his appearance, there will be three types of people:
1. Those whose consciousness has been properly raised so they can readily accept him;
2. Those whose consciousness has been raised somewhat but not so high that they can readily and immediately accept him, but they might be able to accept him after further enlightenment;
3. Those who will never accept him.'
I continued:
'What responsibility do the leaders of the world's religions have toward those members of their flock who are of group number two? Will they step forward to publicly urge group number two people to accept the Christ?'

Bill's answer was that the acceptance of the Christ was completely an individual affair.
I then tried again to get Bill to state that one of the leaders of the world's religion would step forward to play the role of the Biblical False Prophet. I said, 'Back to the Pope for a moment, Bill. You stated that, at the right moment, the Pope would go to Jerusalem. Surely the Pope is a proper receptor to the Christ'
At this point, Bill nodded his head affirmatively that the Pope was a proper receptor to the Christ ."

The Roman Catholic Pope is a proper receptor to the Christ, the Antichrist!! This is an unbelievable revelation! And, since the Pope is a proper receptor to The Christ [Antichrist], and since he claims to be a Christian leader, and is accepted as such, he can Biblically fulfill the role of the False Prophet!!

(Renee---According to my studies, the Pope will not be the False Prophet. Because, The Beast will hate the One World Religion. He will want all of that worship for himself. And will completely destroy the Harlot. OWR.
Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
The 10 horns will cover the earth and have already been designated. Although they probably won't be given power, until the Beast wants the Harlot destroyed.
But we see the False Prophet as the Beasts PR man, causing the world to worship the Beast, until the very end, at Armageddon. )

TO BE CONTINUED

[Evang.Benincasa]

One World Religion?

When is this going to happen?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Merry Krishna

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[renee819]

To Continue
The Roman Catholic Church has led the global Ecumenical Movement almost from the beginning, and is very successful in bridging the gaps existing between all the religions of the world, including liberal or apostate Christian groups.

But, now, the time has come to go public with the plan described above as 'The New Jerusalem Covenant Project', to the creation of the infant 'United Religions'.

Notice, on page 1, we quoted Episcopal Bishop Swing as stating that this United Religions Initiative would produce "peace" in the world. Any Christian who knows their prophecy would immediately sit up and take notice, because the Apostle Paul stated that the coming kingdom of Antichrist would come amidst proclamations of "Peace and Safety"
[1 Thessalonians 5:1-2]

( Let's look at the verses--renee
1 Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
If you are not in darkness, you will know, close, when it is the TIME. The clue to these verses is to know who—THEY are.

THEY, will be declaring, “peace and safety” And it might be for a little while for those that join them.
But---” then sudden destruction cometh upon THEM, as travail upon a woman with child; and THEY shall not escape.”
These are THOSE that have joined THEM crying “peace and safety” and that is the platform of the OWR, saying, There can't be peace until all religions are united.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
There has been a falling away from the Truth, since Constantine took over. However, the Great Falling away is ahead of us, and is beginning NOW. Look at how mesmerizing and persuasive the Media is, especially TV. And we see so many passive, tolerant, asleep born again Christians. Letting the Leaders lead, while they do their own thing. )

To be continued

[n david]

Baxter's been flat out wrong on a lot of things. I take what he says, and other end-time people, with a grain of salt. They're men trying to decipher events and things.

Y2K was supposed to send the world into chaos with a complete meltdown of all electronic equipment; it was even supposed to cause nukes to rain down all over the world.

The Pastor of a church I attended around that time bit hook, line and sinker into Baxter and other's beliefs on Y2K. When nothing happened, it really hurt his credibility for anything else relating to Bible prophecy.

As a believer, my responsibility isn't to worry about the RCC; my responsibility is to share the good news of the Gospel.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Baxter's been flat out wrong on a lot of things. I take what he says, and other end-time people, with a grain of salt. They're men trying to decipher events and things.

Y2K was supposed to send the world into chaos with a complete meltdown of all electronic equipment; it was even supposed to cause nukes to rain down all over the world.

The Pastor of a church I attended around that time bit hook, line and sinker into Baxter and other's beliefs on Y2K. When nothing happened, it really hurt his credibility for anything else relating to Bible prophecy.

As a believer, my responsibility isn't to worry about the RCC; my responsibility is to share the good news of the Gospel.

Amen

[Evang.Benincasa]

To Continue
The Roman Catholic Church has led the global Ecumenical Movement almost from the beginning, and is very successful in bridging the gaps existing between all the religions of the world, including liberal or apostate Christian groups.

But, now, the time has come to go public with the plan described above as 'The New Jerusalem Covenant Project', to the creation of the infant 'United Religions'.

Notice, on page 1, we quoted Episcopal Bishop Swing as stating that this United Religions Initiative would produce "peace" in the world. Any Christian who knows their prophecy would immediately sit up and take notice, because the Apostle Paul stated that the coming kingdom of Antichrist would come amidst proclamations of "Peace and Safety"
[1 Thessalonians 5:1-2]

( Let's look at the verses--renee

If you are not in darkness, you will know, close, when it is the TIME. The clue to these verses is to know who—THEY are.

THEY, will be declaring, “peace and safety” And it might be for a little while for those that join them.
But---” then sudden destruction cometh upon THEM, as travail upon a woman with child; and THEY shall not escape.”
These are THOSE that have joined THEM crying “peace and safety” and that is the platform of the OWR, saying, There can't be peace until all religions are united.
;
There has been a falling away from the Truth, since Constantine took over. However, the Great Falling away is ahead of us, and is beginning NOW. Look at how mesmerizing and persuasive the Media is, especially TV. And we see so many passive, tolerant, asleep born again Christians. Letting the Leaders lead, while they do their own thing. )

To be continued

Sister, do you hold the truth which everyone has fell away from?

Do you know anything about the Eastern Orthodox church?

That was the church which proceeded the Western Roman Church.

The Western Roman Church came out from the Eastern Roman Church.

While some believe there was a dark age, the Eastern Roman Church never experienced a dark age like her sister in western Europe.

So, wasn't the falling away happening during the time of the apostle since he is warning those who are reading his letters? Was the apostle warning the Thessalonians about a Romanish influence coming into the Apostolic church of the first century? Were Pagans the biggest threat to Paul's churches or were they Judaizers?

[renee819]

One World Religion?

When is this going to happen?

From--CUTTING EDGE
Is this mention of needing to accomplish "conflict resolution" the promise that the coming global religion, which will be the "spiritual equivalent to the United Nations", will be the only way to achieve "safety" in the world?

If it is, then this United Religions project will have fulfilled the second part of Paul's warning, in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-2, that the disaster of the Tribulation Period will only come after people have been assured that the world has finally achieved "peace and safety".

Now, we learn that Bishop Swing enlisted the commitment of many of the world's religions, and that Mother Theresa, of the Roman Catholic Church!!! It is no wonder, then, that Mother Theresa has been making trips to the Vatican to meet with Pope John Paul II, even though she is very old. She is evidently the point person in this global effort to unite the world's religions into One. Remember, in NEWS1020, "GORBACHEV IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN EVER BEFORE!
PART 1 OF 2", we discovered that Mother Theresa was representing the Roman Catholic Church at this most important conference of New World Order leaders. Do not be deceived: the Roman Catholic Pope is the Biblical False Prophet!!

"During the conference, each participant was asked to 'put yourself 30 years into the future.
The year is 2026. Visualize the United Religions you feel the world is calling for - a UR you, also, really want. Visualize it as if it exists now. As part of your vision, imagine the variety and types of contributions the UR is making to the world.'

My comments----If we look around and are alarmed at the condition of the world today, and I am, What do you think it will be in 13 yrs. However, that doesn't mean that it will even be 13 yrs until it is authorized. One great disaster, and the Beast could come riding in, with the Harlot on his back, promising “peace and safety.”
Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Revelation 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

[Evang.Benincasa]

From--CUTTING EDGE
Is this mention of needing to accomplish "conflict resolution" the promise that the coming global religion, which will be the "spiritual equivalent to the United Nations", will be the only way to achieve "safety" in the world?

If it is, then this United Religions project will have fulfilled the second part of Paul's warning, in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-2, that the disaster of the Tribulation Period will only come after people have been assured that the world has finally achieved "peace and safety".

Now, we learn that Bishop Swing enlisted the commitment of many of the world's religions, and that Mother Theresa, of the Roman Catholic Church!!! It is no wonder, then, that Mother Theresa has been making trips to the Vatican to meet with Pope John Paul II, even though she is very old. She is evidently the point person in this global effort to unite the world's religions into One. Remember, in NEWS1020, "GORBACHEV IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN EVER BEFORE!
PART 1 OF 2", we discovered that Mother Theresa was representing the Roman Catholic Church at this most important conference of New World Order leaders. Do not be deceived: the Roman Catholic Pope is the Biblical False Prophet!!

"During the conference, each participant was asked to 'put yourself 30 years into the future.
The year is 2026. Visualize the United Religions you feel the world is calling for - a UR you, also, really want. Visualize it as if it exists now. As part of your vision, imagine the variety and types of contributions the UR is making to the world.'

My comments----If we look around and are alarmed at the condition of the world today, and I am, What do you think it will be in 13 yrs. However, that doesn't mean that it will even be 13 yrs until it is authorized. One great disaster, and the Beast could come riding in, with the Harlot on his back, promising “peace and safety.”
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Sister, your above article snippet is pretty dated.

[Evang.Benincasa]

GORBACHEV IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN EVER BEFORE?

:heeheehee

[renee819]

Evang. Ben wrote,
Sister, do you hold the truth which everyone has fell away from?

Not sure of what you are asking. Yes, I hold to the Truth, that many have fell away from. The Foundation of the Apostles, summarized in Acts 2:38 But not everyone has fallen away, and will hold on to the end.

Evang Ben wrote,
Do you know anything about the Eastern Orthodox church?

That was the church which proceeded the Western Roman Church.

The Western Roman Church came out from the Eastern Roman Church.

While some believe there was a dark age, the Eastern Roman Church never experienced a dark age like her sister in western Europe.

I have read the history of the Two. But have forgotten a lot of it. However, they both started with Constantine.

Evang. Ben wrote,
So, wasn't the falling away happening during the time of the apostle since he is warning those who are reading his letters? Was the apostle warning the Thessalonians about a Romanish influence coming into the Apostolic church of the first century? Were Pagans the biggest threat to Paul's churches or were they Judaizers?

I imagine Pagans as well as Judaziers were a big threat, but from what I can read, the Church flourished until the Pagan Philosophers joined the church and started bringing in the Trinity.

And no, I don't think that Paul was warning those reading the Letters about the persecutions that they were going thru. But he is talking about the coming of Christ and what is to happen, just before He comes. And the 2nd to 12th verses are definitely about the Beast.

When he said “the mystery of iniquity doth already work” he was talking about Paganism from Babel until that present time, until it is taken away, in the future.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Not sure of what you are asking. Yes, I hold to the Truth, that many have fell away from. The Foundation of the Apostles, summarized in Acts 2:38 But not everyone has fallen away, and will hold on to the end.

This falling away has been happening for over 2,000 years and climbing, and you have the original truth which was once delivered to the saints? Let me ask you this, all what you have now as far as you believe is the undisputed truth of the Bible, when did you have the whole package?



I have read the history of the Two. But have forgotten a lot of it. However, they both started with Constantine.

They weren't started by Constantine, you can't say the Roman Catholic Church was started in 325 A.D. That is what the Catholics want you to believe. Because they left the Eastern Orthodoxy in 1054 A.D.. By the first council of Constantinople, Constantine would be dead. He legalized Christianity, but wanted to have conformity within the beliefs to make it uniform across the board. Yet, the Eastern and Western churches remain separate, while it may look like to some that these groups are trying to play nice in the sandbox they are opposed to each other. Another thing, after 21 councils the Second Vatican Council would cause the biggest internal issue within the Western Roman Church. The Sedevacantists refuse to make any compromise to join back with the RCC, and see every Pope since 1960s till today as an Anti-Pope. Another thing which causes an ecumenical movement to be a pipe dream, is the militant Hindus, Buddhists, and Islamist. We in America see all these religions as playing nice together (except for Islam, because people had so much media brainwashing you would think Muslims were drinking blood of children in their masjids) yet, in the own countries where they are predominant Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism don't get along, as you would believe. These are issues that Nicolae Carpathia, and Perestroika will not be able to mend. :heeheehee



I imagine Pagans as well as Judaziers were a big threat, but from what I can read, the Church flourished until the Pagan Philosophers joined the church and started bringing in the Trinity.

From what you can read?

What are you reading?



And no, I don't think that Paul was warning those reading the Letters about the persecutions that they were going thru.

So, you believe that the warnings in his letters were only for those living in 2013? When did this falling away start, and what year did we have a restoration? Because after all, you have the undisputed truth which everyone else is falling away from? Therefore Paul was warning those people at that time that there was a falling away, and the Apostle John also tells the people that there already were Antichrists, because of those who had left from among the first century saints. We have a pretty good list in the New Testament of those who were uprooting those in Asia. Paul even says that those in Asia had turned their backs on Paul. So, since you hold the faith which everyone is falling away from then you can tell me how you received this undisputed truth, and if the apostle didn't mean a falling away in the first century, then when did the falling away start? Or did it even start yet?



But he is talking about the coming of Christ and what is to happen, just before He comes. And the 2nd to 12th verses are definitely about the Beast.

Ok, did the falling away start in the first century when the apostle penned those words? Or is the falling away happening now? If it is happening now then what is this undisputed truth which everyone is falling away from, and who would qualify as those who are falling away? Are they the people who are leaving what you believe as far as soteriology, theology, or eschatology, or the whole package?


When he said “the mystery of iniquity doth already work” he was talking about Paganism from Babel until that present time, until it is taken away, in the future.

Prove that. ;)