Temporary Marriage???

[Aquila]

I just discovered that Islam acknowledges "temporary marriages". Here's an article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_mut%E2%80%98ah

What are some of your thoughts on this?

[kclee4jc]

my thoughts?
-muslims are pervs

[Aquila]

my thoughts?
-muslims are pervs

I agree that they are more open with their more carnal nature. However, it's been pointed out that in the West (where the majority profess some form of Christianity) far too many men have affairs, mistresses, etc. Islam professes that by putting human conduct within the bounds of divine sanction their society is free from so much sin. Their Allah allows for monogamous marriage, Mutah (temporary marriage), and polygamy. Thus, in their minds, mankind's natural desires can be fulfilled within the boundaries of what they believe to be divine will.

So in a way... as much hanky-panky is going on in the West among Christians as in the Middle East among Muslims. It's just their Allah regulates it.

[Praxeas]

I dont know if this is what the Quran teaches but I know some Muslims have in the past made excuses in order to fulfull their vices. Men had little boys for sex but they argued it was not homosexual because it was not love. Muslim men in Afghanistan do this today but with each other

[ILG]

I agree that they are more open with their more carnal nature. However, it's been pointed out that in the West (where the majority profess some form of Christianity) far too many men have affairs, mistresses, etc. Islam professes that by putting human conduct within the bounds of divine sanction their society is free from so much sin. Their Allah allows for monogamous marriage, Mutah (temporary marriage), and polygamy. Thus, in their minds, mankind's natural desires can be fulfilled within the boundaries of what they believe to be divine will.

So in a way... as much hanky-panky is going on in the West among Christians as in the Middle East among Muslims. It's just their Allah regulates it.

Or shall we say, men's desires within God's will mostly. I think the woman's will is pretty much out the window. What the man wants, God wants. LOL!

[seguidordejesus]

Yes, this is technically allowed, but every Muslim I have discussed this with does not view it as valid.

[Aquila]

I dont know if this is what the Quran teaches but I know some Muslims have in the past made excuses in order to fulfull their vices. Men had little boys for sex but they argued it was not homosexual because it was not love. Muslim men in Afghanistan do this today but with each other

Oh... so if it's not "love" the Quran doesn't forbid it. lol Crazy.

[Aquila]

Or shall we say, men's desires within God's will mostly. I think the woman's will is pretty much out the window. What the man wants, God wants. LOL!

I think that that is a part of Islam's attraction for males. In the West the definition of being a man has been so watered down and put into scrutiny, to hear of a religion that celebrates manhood, male authority, patriarchy, and appears to understand a man's desires can be very appealing.

[Aquila]

Yes, this is technically allowed, but every Muslim I have discussed this with does not view it as valid.

Some of the Shiites (2 people) I know recognize it like a religious common law marriage.

[seguidordejesus]

Everyone I spoke with was a Sunni...who knows.

[Aquila]

Everyone I spoke with was a Sunni...who knows.

Nika-al-Mutah appears to be more widely recognized among Shias than Sunnis.

Think Catholic and Protestant.

[Aquila]

Many libertarian minded Americans believe that marriage should be a private contract, unfettered by government regulation or interference. The notion of Nikah-al-Mutah is essentially a religious contract marriage (regardless as to it being verbal or written). I think the concern among Muslims is the possibility of its abuse. Abusing this form of marriage could provide for a form of prostitution. Thus, if a woman didn't fulfill her iddah after such a marriage, she could easily be viewed as being a prostitute.

[MarcBee]

<<Nikāḥ al-Mutʿah (Arabic: نكاح المتعة‎, "pleasure marriage") is a fixed-term or short-term marriage in Shia Islam, where the duration and compensation are both agreed upon in advance>>


Probably not essentially different from American style marriage except for how we falsely claim "till death us do part." And that claim can easily-enough toggle over to a three day's marriage, a three month's marriage, or thirty years, whatever. And our agreed upon compensation is what, 50% or more, but the man gets the dog and truck? :heeheehee

[Aquila]

<<Nikāḥ al-Mutʿah (Arabic: نكاح المتعة‎, "pleasure marriage") is a fixed-term or short-term marriage in Shia Islam, where the duration and compensation are both agreed upon in advance>>


Probably not essentially different from American style marriage except for how we falsely claim "till death us do part." And that claim can easily-enough toggle over to a three day's marriage, a three month's marriage, or thirty years, whatever. And our agreed upon compensation is what, 50% or more, but the man gets the dog and truck? :heeheehee

And sometimes not even that. lol

[Aquila]

Those Muslims who believe in this approach it from a very practical position:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjzRPDop7Sw

[Walks_in_islam]

I just discovered that Islam acknowledges "temporary marriages". Here's an article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_mut%E2%80%98ah

What are some of your thoughts on this?

Nikah mutah is a Shia practice, not a Sunni practice.

[Aquila]

Nikah mutah is a Shia practice, not a Sunni practice.

Why do Sunnis have several forms of temporary marriage that they embrace other than Nikah mutah?

[Walks_in_islam]

Why do Sunnis have several forms of temporary marriage that they embrace other than Nikah mutah?

Have the folks that have been talking to you about this demonstrated the process or legitimacy of temporary marriages from the Quran?

In Sunni Islam a "temporary" marriage is treated the same as a permanent one and the procedure/process of ending it is outlined in the Quran.

[Aquila]

Have the folks that have been talking to you about this demonstrated the process or legitimacy of temporary marriages from the Quran?

In Sunni Islam a "temporary" marriage is treated the same as a permanent one and the procedure/process of ending it is outlined in the Quran.

I've read a few things on it. Can you share what you know about it?

[Walks_in_islam]

I've read a few things on it. Can you share what you know about it?

I first heard the term 'mutah' in Saudi. A friend from work was telling us about his mom and sisters searching for a wife for him and another friend was teasing him about stopping in the town of Qatif for 'mutah' if he felt he needed to get married.

Qatif is a shia town that makes the news from time to time when they have protests.

So I asked what is 'mutah' and my friend said it is 'marriage' for a night or weekend.

I asked my wife about it at the time and she had never heard of it but thought it was funny.

So, the way I was told it works, is that you declare intention between yourselves, gum up a marriage contract, pay mahr to the girl, and enjoy the benefits of marriage for the period of the contract. As far as I can tell its no different from calling an escort out for a weekend.

That's all I know. I've never been interested enough to formally look into it. It's deeply frowned on or made fun of in Saudi Sunni culture and if they do it it is either very rare or they don't talk about it. I never heard a reference to it in the US Muslim community nor did my wife in Indonesia where she grew up, raised in Islamic household, went to Islamic schools, etc.

I did look it up a few weeks ago and read that in Sunni Islam you can marry for a fixed period of time but their interpretation of Islamic law is that you have to follow the standard rules of divorce and end the marriage as it is outlined in the Quran. Stay apart and support your wife for 3 months before you are formally divorced, children are treated the same way that they are for a permanent marriage, and so on. In Shia Islam both parties walk away at the contracted end of the marriage and move on.

[pastor RICK]

i still belive its death till we part ,i been married for almost 36 years to the same woman and am glad i have been ....many have forsaken this and things happen..but i believe it is the perfect will of god ..

[Aquila]

i still belive its death till we part ,i been married for almost 36 years to the same woman and am glad i have been ....many have forsaken this and things happen..but i believe it is the perfect will of god ..

I too believe it is the perfect will of God. Sadly, this is a fallen world.

[shazeep]

...In Shia Islam both parties walk away at the contracted end of the marriage and move on.Ah, and so the camel is hamstrung, regardless--just like a Christian might grieve the Holy Spirit. I'm finding parallels to the OT 'this was(is) allowed because of your hardness of heart' paraphrased.

[Walks_in_islam]

We weren't actually asking what you believe or think but thank you for sharing.

Although you probably do believe that personally and for yourself, it is not uncommon among oneness pastors to advise believers in their church to divorce their unbelieving spouses. The wreckage such teachings leaves behind can be devastating to those affected by it.

One example of this common practice pulled randomly from "sheikh google":

"I was in and out of the church in my younger years. I married a non-member and stayed married for over a decade. Every year I was married my preacher preached that Christians who marry non-members are suppose to divorce in order to repent. I did, never believing that I would do it again, but I did, my husband got baptized, but he doesn't believe the church of Christ is the true church. He doesn't believe that there are three in the Godhead. He believes it's one God with three jobs."

I'm just gonna say that you and your colleagues should probably apply your personal beliefs towards those you are charged to teach.

What say you?

i still belive its death till we part ,i been married for almost 36 years to the same woman and am glad i have been ....many have forsaken this and things happen..but i believe it is the perfect will of god ..

[hometown guy]

We weren't actually asking what you believe or think but thank you for sharing.

Although you probably do believe that personally and for yourself, it is not uncommon among oneness pastors to advise believers in their church to divorce their unbelieving spouses. The wreckage such teachings leaves behind can be devastating to those affected by it.

One example of this common practice pulled randomly from "sheikh google":

"I was in and out of the church in my younger years. I married a non-member and stayed married for over a decade. Every year I was married my preacher preached that Christians who marry non-members are suppose to divorce in order to repent. I did, never believing that I would do it again, but I did, my husband got baptized, but he doesn't believe the church of Christ is the true church. He doesn't believe that there are three in the Godhead. He believes it's one God with three jobs."

I'm just gonna say that you and your colleagues should probably apply your personal beliefs towards those you are charged to teach.

What say you?

Lol.. I agree with the husband guy too!

[Walks_in_islam]

Lol.. I agree with the husband guy too!

LOL you may be stunned - but - so do I