My Rant Letter To Pentecostals / Apostolics

[Jacob's Ladder]

Dear Reader,

I have been concerned about a few situations I have encountered. I figured I would rant here instead of letting this junk consume me. I will address these issues, but in the appointed time. I have encountered too many brainwashed Pentecostals, all programmed to respond in the same manner. This is utterly pathetic!

Please understand that I am a realist, and I made a commitment to abstain from living in fantasyland. People who live in this fantasyland cannot think for themselves, and they have allowed another to dictate their belief. I am weary of reading comments on Facebook from people stating, “I can’t wait to see what God will do at church tonight!” These narrow-minded people have confined God’s power to a building structure. Is it possible that God can only perform within four walls? Why are people brainwashed with this nonsense? Why wait for church service? Is your faith limited to the boundaries of a church building?

Pentecostalism has taken hostage the supernatural acts manifested in the New Testament by Jesus and His apostles on public streets, on seashores in the midst of multitudes of people, and have confined those supernatural acts to church services. Somehow, Pentecostalism has concluded that sinners must come our church services to receive deliverance and/or healing.

The other day I gave my opinion and encountered resistance, but I would not expect anything less from brainwashed individuals. How is verbalizing the obvious a negative action? Perhaps you do not want your fantasyland disrupted with truth? That is it! Do not question the traditions of our inheritance! Just follow the parade of Pentecostalism and shut up! Thank Jesus, rather than taking the stance of a Pharisee, He stood up and healed on the Sabbath day! He stepped out of traditional to minster in the supernatural!

Do you know what else annoyed me? The other day a leader of an undisclosed oneness organization ranted about the Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman case. I wrote my opinion on racism. I wrote that it is more disgusting to encounter racism in the church! I wrote, “How can one claim to love God and hate their brother/sister due to the color of their skin?” Guess what? He deleted my comment! I wish “so-called” men of god would grow a backbone and eliminate racism within churches. Instead, these leaders are too worried about politics! Either, these leaders have some form of racism indwelling their heart, or they are too much of a coward to stand and confront criticism. When you are not periodically opposing criticism as a leader, you are too busy pleasing the crowd! Grow a backbone and submit to the mindset of God!


Respectully,
Jacob's Ladder
FYI: I'm not backslidden for all you judgemental folks. I'm a Christain with a Pentecostal experience, and believe/preach the Acts 2:38 salvation message, accompanied with signs and wonders (gifts of the Spirit).

[Godzchild]

Dear Reader,

I have been concerned about a few situations I have encountered. I figured I would rant here instead of letting this junk consume me. I will address these issues, but in the appointed time. I have encountered too many brainwashed Pentecostals, all programmed to respond in the same manner. This is utterly pathetic!

Please understand that I am a realist, and I made a commitment to abstain from living in fantasyland. People who live in this fantasyland cannot think for themselves, and they have allowed another to dictate their belief. I am weary of reading comments of Facebook from people stating, “I can’t wait to see what God will do at church tonight!” These narrow-minded people have confined God’s power to a structure. Is it possible that God can only perform within four walls? Why are people brainwashed with this nonsense? Why wait for church service? Is your faith limited to the boundaries of a church building?

Pentecostalism has taken hostage the supernatural acts manifested in the New Testament by Jesus and His apostles on public streets, on seashores in the midst of multitudes of people, and have confined those supernatural acts to church services. Somehow, Pentecostalism has concluded that sinners must come our church services to receive deliverance and/or healing.

The other day I gave my opinion and encountered resistance, but I would not expect anything less from brainwashed individuals. How is verbalizing the obvious a negative action? Perhaps you do not want your fantasyland disrupted with truth? That is it! Do not question the traditions of our inheritance! Just follow the parade of Pentecostalism and shut up! Thank Jesus, rather than taking the stance of a Pharisee, He stood up and healed on the Sabbath day! He stepped out of traditional to minster in the supernatural!

Do you know what else annoyed me? The other day a leader of an undisclosed oneness organization ranted about the Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman case. I wrote my opinion on racism. I wrote that it is more disgusting to encounter racism in the church! I wrote, “How can one claim to love God and hate their brother/sister due to the color of their skin?” Guess what? He deleted my comment! I wish “so-called” men of god would grow a backbone and eliminate racism within churches. Instead, these leaders are too worried about politics! Either, these leaders have some form of racism indwelling their heart, or they are too much of a coward to stand and confront criticism. When you are not periodically opposing criticism as a leader, you are too busy pleasing the crowd! Grow and backbone and submit the mindset of God!


Respectully,
Jacob's Ladder
FYI: I'm not backslidden for all you judgemental folks. I'm a Christain with a Pentecostal experience, and believe/preach the Acts 2:38 salvation message, accompanied with signs and wonders (gifts of the Spirit).

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup Well said!

[Barb]

Dear Reader,

I have been concerned about a few situations I have encountered. I figured I would rant here instead of letting this junk consume me. I will address these issues, but in the appointed time. I have encountered too many brainwashed Pentecostals, all programmed to respond in the same manner. This is utterly pathetic!

Please understand that I am a realist, and I made a commitment to abstain from living in fantasyland. People who live in this fantasyland cannot think for themselves, and they have allowed another to dictate their belief. I am weary of reading comments on Facebook from people stating, “I can’t wait to see what God will do at church tonight!” These narrow-minded people have confined God’s power to a building structure. Is it possible that God can only perform within four walls? Why are people brainwashed with this nonsense? Why wait for church service? Is your faith limited to the boundaries of a church building?

Pentecostalism has taken hostage the supernatural acts manifested in the New Testament by Jesus and His apostles on public streets, on seashores in the midst of multitudes of people, and have confined those supernatural acts to church services. Somehow, Pentecostalism has concluded that sinners must come our church services to receive deliverance and/or healing.

The other day I gave my opinion and encountered resistance, but I would not expect anything less from brainwashed individuals. How is verbalizing the obvious a negative action? Perhaps you do not want your fantasyland disrupted with truth? That is it! Do not question the traditions of our inheritance! Just follow the parade of Pentecostalism and shut up! Thank Jesus, rather than taking the stance of a Pharisee, He stood up and healed on the Sabbath day! He stepped out of traditional to minster in the supernatural!

Do you know what else annoyed me? The other day a leader of an undisclosed oneness organization ranted about the Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman case. I wrote my opinion on racism. I wrote that it is more disgusting to encounter racism in the church! I wrote, “How can one claim to love God and hate their brother/sister due to the color of their skin?” Guess what? He deleted my comment! I wish “so-called” men of god would grow a backbone and eliminate racism within churches. Instead, these leaders are too worried about politics! Either, these leaders have some form of racism indwelling their heart, or they are too much of a coward to stand and confront criticism. When you are not periodically opposing criticism as a leader, you are too busy pleasing the crowd! Grow a backbone and submit to the mindset of God!


Respectully,
Jacob's Ladder
FYI: I'm not backslidden for all you judgemental folks. I'm a Christain with a Pentecostal experience, and believe/preach the Acts 2:38 salvation message, accompanied with signs and wonders (gifts of the Spirit).

Respectfully, maybe you need to take a chill pill.

Just because someone posts that they can't wait to see what God will do in a particular service does not mean they do not reach out into the community or expect that the Church is confined to a building.

Perhaps they are just stating that "tonight is service and I am excited!"

IMHO, calling people brainwashed Pentecostals is what is pathetic... :nod

[houston]

Don't mind Barb. She is also brain washed, with Dawn soap because Palmolive did not work.

JL is a preacher now??? Well, that is scary.

[KWSS1976]

I have a couple of facebook friends I removed, cause thats all they talked about was going to church, as soon as they would get home from the morning service, they would be talking about how good the evening service was going to be it did get a little old and yes they were oneness Apostolics..Nothing against the oneness Apostolics, but it is funny to hear them rant on facebook about something that went against the standards and some ultracon calls them out on it. What I cannot figure out is why they keep going to a church where there own kind sends them to hell for a standard issue that apparently the one posting it does not believe..Thats my rant,why go to a church that has these Standards if you do not believe in them, but still go anyway..

[Godzchild]

Don't mind Barb. She is also brain washed, with Dawn soap because Palmolive did not work.

JL is a preacher now??? Well, that is scary.

u are just not right Houston! and how do you know what kind of soap she uses??????? :hmmm :heeheehee

[RandyWayne]

I have a couple of facebook friends I removed, cause thats all they talked about was going to church, as soon as they would get home from the morning service, they would be talking about how good the evening service was going to be it did get a little old and yes they were oneness Apostolics..Nothing against the oneness Apostolics, but it is funny to hear them rant on facebook about something that went against the standards and some ultracon calls them out on it. What I cannot figure out is why they keep going to a church where there own kind sends them to hell for a standard issue that apparently the one posting it does not believe..Thats my rant,why go to a church that has these Standards if you do not believe in them, but still go anyway..

I have never dropped, or even thought about dropping someone, because of their frequent "We had GOOD church this morning! Can't wait to see what God has in store for us this evening!!!" posts. What is more likely is that they probably dropped ME because of some of mine! LOL

Note: You CAN choose to receive "Only Important" updates from someone if they are someone who is filling up your timeline. This eliminates 90-98% of random stuff.

[scotty]

In the words of our dearly departed.



"Good Grief" .

[Jacob's Ladder]

Respectfully, maybe you need to take a chill pill.

Just because someone posts that they can't wait to see what God will do in a particular service does not mean they do not reach out into the community or expect that the Church is confined to a building.

Perhaps they are just stating that "tonight is service and I am excited!"

IMHO, calling people brainwashed Pentecostals is what is pathetic... :nod

Have you ever said, "I can't wait what god will do when I go to the grocery store?" Have you witnessed anyone speak or post that comment? I suppose not! Why? Simple! People only expect god to move in a church building. Brainwashed.........

[RandyWayne]

Have you ever said, " I can't wait what god will do when I go to the grocery store?" Have you witnessed anyone speak or post that comment? I suppose not! Why? Simple! People only expect god to move in a church building. Brainwashed.........

We HAVE said "I can't wait to see what God has in store for us when we get to the casino!". :)

[Godzchild]

http://youtu.be/JvK6FuQJRyw seriously???? :throwrock

[KWSS1976]

Gods aways with me when I go into Walmart, I know this cause I have not choaked anyone yet that was standing in the middle of the isle talking to someone while I was tring to get around and them not moving on

[Godzchild]

We HAVE said "I can't wait to see what God has in store for us when we get to the casino!". :)

:heeheehee

[Godzchild]

Gods aways with me when I go into Walmart, I know this cause I have not choaked anyone yet that was standing in the middle of the isle talking to someone while I was tring to get around and them not moving on

:toofunny I love it~

[Barb]

Don't mind Barb. She is also brain washed, with Dawn soap because Palmolive did not work.

JL is a preacher now??? Well, that is scary.

:heeheehee

[Barb]

Gods aways with me when I go into Walmart, I know this cause I have not choaked anyone yet that was standing in the middle of the isle talking to someone while I was tring to get around and them not moving on

Or talking loud on their phone like they're using 2 tin cans and a string. :nod

[jediwill83]

I agree with the main part of your post about limiting God and yes....the "brainwashed" mindset is present throughout all Christianity....trust me I could go on a soapbox rant.The kneejerk mindset on certain issues ect.

[Praxeas]

there's nothing wrong with wanting to go to a meeting and expecting a good service.

[jediwill83]

I agree....I think the main point of contention is frustration with how God is limited to certain time certain place certain part of the service after certain songs are sung or maybe after certain "cheerleading" is performed.....what really annoys me is that people treat social media as a dumping ground for tons of "spiritual chain letters" "The angels have seen you struggle.....how many likes for Jesus.....like for Jesus ignore for the devil....repost and God will bless you.ect"

[Abiding Now]

The difference might just be the kind of church one attends.

I enjoy meeting my friends.

The prayer time is uplifting.

Love the singing.

The preaching is always refreshing.

Now that I think about it, I'm excited about church tomorrow.

[Steve Epley]

I guess this proves ignorance is not bliss????

[RandyWayne]

I agree....I think the main point of contention is frustration with how God is limited to certain time certain place certain part of the service after certain songs are sung or maybe after certain "cheerleading" is performed.....what really annoys me is that people treat social media as a dumping ground for tons of "spiritual chain letters" "The angels have seen you struggle.....how many likes for Jesus.....like for Jesus ignore for the devil....repost and God will bless you.ect"

I take back what I said about never having dropped someone on Facebook for excessive "spiritual" posts. I DID do just that once. She wasn't apostolic in the known senses of the word but several times a day, every day, she posted some sort of inane "positive affirmation' type message along with the type you just mentioned: "Hit LIKE and Share this if you vote for Jesus! Ignore if you like the devil.". Goodbye.

[hometown guy]

Can't wait to see what God is going to do at church tomorrow!

[Praxeas]

Can't wait to see what God is going to do at church tomorrow!
Hit "Like" if you agree! :thumbsup

[Jacob's Ladder]

Can't wait to see what God is going to do at church tomorrow!

Hit "Like" if you agree! :thumbsup

It's too bad that you must wait for church service tomorrow to "see what god is going to do." :D

I usually say, "I can't wait to see what god is going to do when I walk out of my front door!" I don't confine god to a church building. A church building shouldn't service as a place of miracles. A church building should serve as a launching pad, to send disciples out to perform miracles, and teach the word on the highways and byways.

[scotty]

When you walk out the front door? Soooo, God can't do anything in your home?

This is crazy! How can you confine God outside of your home? Why do you not want God working in your home? Is God incapable of working blessings inside the four walls of your home?

I know, I took what you said and blew it up to be something that is totally ignorant and childish whinning when really that is not what you meant.

Hmmm, much like the point of this thread.

[MawMaw]

When you walk out the front door? Soooo, God can't do anything in your home?

This is crazy! How can you confine God outside of your home? Why do you not want God working in your home? Is God incapable of working blessings inside the four walls of your home?

I know, I took what you said and blew it up to be something that is totally ignorant and childish whinning when really that is not what you meant.

Hmmm, much like the point of this thread.

:nod

[Jacob's Ladder]

When you walk out the front door? Soooo, God can't do anything in your home?

This is crazy! How can you confine God outside of your home? Why do you not want God working in your home? Is God incapable of working blessings inside the four walls of your home?

I know, I took what you said and blew it up to be something that is totally ignorant and childish whinning when really that is not what you meant.

Hmmm, much like the point of this thread.

Wow! God is already in my home! I'm talking about confining god to a building. How can you compare "confining god to a building" versus "I confining god to the outside of my house?" Really? The premise of my post was confining god to a building.

[houston]

:heeheeheeWow! God is already in my home! I'm talking about confining god to a building. How can you compare "confining god to a building" versus "I confining god to the outside of my house?" Really? The premise of my post was confining god to a building.

[Godzchild]

Wow! God is already in my home! I'm talking about confining god to a building. How can you compare "confining god to a building" versus "I confining god to the outside of my house?" Really? The premise of my post was confining god to a building.


:thumbsup it was not the first time :happydance

[Abiding Now]

It's too bad that you must wait for church service tomorrow to "see what god is going to do." :D

I usually say, "I can't wait to see what god is going to do when I walk out of my front door!" I don't confine god to a church building. A church building shouldn't service as a place of miracles. A church building should serve as a launching pad, to send disciples out to perform miracles, and teach the word on the highways and byways.

This is awesome!

Please tell me about the miracles that you have witnessed "on the highways and byways".

Thanks.

[jediwill83]

Oh pshaw! Everyone knows that God is agoraphobic and doesnt leave the house...hehe actually I dont have any stories about particular miracles on any highways or byways...usually busy driving....but I do have plenty in stores and shops n on the ambulance....

[scotty]

Wow! God is already in my home! I'm talking about confining god to a building. How can you compare "confining god to a building" versus "I confining god to the outside of my house?" Really? The premise of my post was confining god to a building.


Guess that struck a nerve. Your response truly rings of a person with God in their life.

The point was, what makes you think because someone says "I can't wait to see what God is going to do in church tonight" that they truly believe He is confined to a building? How do you put the two together? How do you know that that person or their church has no ministry outside the building? Please, by all means, enlighten my idiotic and stupid self.

Fact is, you have taken a statement and ASSUMED your opinion of it is truth.

And since I don't see it fit to insult people I will simply say, God Bless! :thumbsup



:thumbsup it was not the first time :happydance

Enlighten me, please.

[Praxeas]

It's too bad that you must wait for church service tomorrow to "see what god is going to do." :D

I usually say, "I can't wait to see what god is going to do when I walk out of my front door!" I don't confine god to a church building. A church building shouldn't service as a place of miracles. A church building should serve as a launching pad, to send disciples out to perform miracles, and teach the word on the highways and byways.
Thats not what they said, according to you. They said they can't wait for the service to see what God will do IN the service.

Should they have said instead "I dread the next church service because it's dead and God won't be doing anything there"?

[MarcBee]

And since I don't see it fit to insult people I will simply say, God Bless! :thumbsup


Really? So your earlier comment in same thread (quoted below) does not amount to an insult?


know, I took what you said and blew it up to be something that is totally ignorant and childish whinning when really that is not what you meant.

Hmmm, much like the point of this thread.


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[scotty]

Really? So your earlier comment in same thread (quoted below) does not amount to an insult?



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uummm, just a slight bit of difference between saying someone is "whinning" and outright calling someone "stupid", ya think? Maybe just a little? Think about it........... not too hard.

[MarcBee]

uummm, just a slight bit of difference between saying someone is "whinning" and outright calling someone "stupid", ya think? Maybe just a little? Think about it........... not too hard.


Rather, you said "ignorant and childish whinning". Is that an insult, yes or no?

[scotty]

Rather, you said "ignorant and childish whinning". Is that an insult, yes or no?

No, telling someone they are "whinning" is just that. Ignorant by definition means "lack of knowledge" usually about a particular topic. I myself am ignorant of photography, chemistry, the operation of the space shuttle, etc.

In such, the poster is ignorant of the background and true beliefs of those who make the statements he is at odds with.

[MarcBee]

No...


Ok!

:dogpat

[scotty]

Ok!

:dogpat


Nooooooo, not you too!!!!! :aaa

Just take one word and form an opinion, I think thats how this thread got started, didn't it?

Yea, I'm pretty sure thats it. :thumbsup

[MarcBee]

Nooooooo, not you too!!!!! :aaa

Just take one word and form an opinion...

Yea, I'm pretty sure thats it. :thumbsup

Quite the contrary, I have read every word you wrote in this thread. But I tend to only quote relevant quotes for a given point. For example, your claim relevant to my point was...

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[B][COLOR=blue]...I don't see it fit to insult people...

[Abiding Now]

Bump for Jacob's Ladder

This is awesome!

Please tell me about the miracles that you have witnessed "on the highways and byways".

Thanks.

[scotty]

Quite the contrary, I have read every word you wrote in this thread. But I tend to only quote relevant quotes for a given point. For example, your claim relevant to my point was...

Good, now that we have addressed and determined I am "insulting", shall we not get distracted from the point of the thread?

How does one take a Facebook post and insert a percieved doctrine on the poster?

[Jacob's Ladder]

Guess that struck a nerve. Your response truly rings of a person with God in their life.

The point was, what makes you think because someone says "I can't wait to see what God is going to do in church tonight" that they truly believe He is confined to a building? How do you put the two together? How do you know that that person or their church has no ministry outside the building? Please, by all means, enlighten my idiotic and stupid self.

Fact is, you have taken a statement and ASSUMED your opinion of it is truth.

And since I don't see it fit to insult people I will simply say, God Bless! :thumbsup





Enlighten me, please.

Can't wait to see what God is going to do at church tomorrow!

When you walk out the front door? Soooo, God can't do anything in your home?

This is crazy! How can you confine God outside of your home? Why do you not want God working in your home? Is God incapable of working blessings inside the four walls of your home?

I know, I took what you said and blew it up to be something that is totally ignorant and childish whinning when really that is not what you meant.

Hmmm, much like the point of this thread.

Thats not what they said, according to you. They said they can't wait for the service to see what God will do IN the service.

Should they have said instead "I dread the next church service because it's dead and God won't be doing anything there"?



What I am trying to relay is very simple.

Praxeas, you amongst others have given prime examples in the above postings.

Here are a few questions I wouldn’t mind you folks answering.

1) Why do you solely anticipate to see what god will do at a church service?
2) What has caused you to be excited about being in the next church service?
3) This excitement and expectation you anticipate in the next church service, do you feel that excitement at all times or only when church service is approaching?
4) What has caused you or others to say, “can't wait for the service to see what God will do IN the service.”
5) Do you feel this same anticipation and expectation at all times or only when going to church?

And the final question

6) If you always have the mindset of expecting God to move (not just only in the next service), why make a big deal about seeing what exactly god will do in the next service?

I mean, if you are always expecting God to move, your feelings between attending church or visiting the grocery store should be no different.

However, if you are of the “brainwashed mindset,” you will make the comment of “I can’t wait to see what god will do at the next church service. “

You will make that comment because you are accustomed to seeing god move only at church service, thus, the “brainwashed mentality” of only expecting god to move in a church service and not at a grocery store.

If you genuinely expected god to move equally at the grocery store as you would in a church service, you wouldn’t make the comment of, “I can’t wait what god will do in church service,” because you would already have the mindset of expecting god to move anywhere. There’s no need to get excited about watching God move in a church service if you’re already expecting Him to move everywhere you go.

Respectfully,
Jacob's Ladder

[scotty]

What I am trying to relay is very simple.

Praxeas, you amongst others have given prime examples in the above postings.

Here are a few questions I wouldn’t mind you folks answering.

1) Why do you solely anticipate to see what god will do at a church service?

I don't.

2) What has caused you to be excited about being in the next church service?

I get excited about every church service because I enjoy fellowship with the church family and worshipping together.

3) This excitement and expectation you anticipate in the next church service, do you feel that excitement at all times or only when church service is approaching?

I feel this excitement when any function or fellowship of my church family is approaching whether it is church, bible study, prayer meetings, or a picnic, etc.

4) What has caused you or others to say, “can't wait for the service to see what God will do IN the service.”

Because I can not wait to see what God will do IN the next service.

5) Do you feel this same anticipation and expectation at all times or only when going to church?

You reworded question 3. Same answer applies.

And the final question

6) If you always have the mindset of expecting God to move (not just only in the next service), why make a big deal about seeing what exactly god will do in the next service?

I mean, if you are always expecting God to move, your feelings between attending church or visiting the grocery store should be no different.

Why not? While I realize and believe God can move at the grocery store or any other venue for that matter, why would I EXPECT Him to move at the grocery store unless there was a need? However, I do EXPECT God to move in a setting where "2 or 3 agree" and not "forsaking the fellowship of the saints"

However, if you are of the “brainwashed mindset,” you will make the comment of “I can’t wait to see what god will do at the next church service. “

You will make that comment because you are accustomed to seeing god move only at church service, thus, the “brainwashed mentality” of only expecting god to move in a church service and not at a grocery store.

If you genuinely expected god to move equally at the grocery store as you would in a church service, you wouldn’t make the comment of, “I can’t wait what god will do in church service,” because you would already have the mindset of expecting god to move anywhere. There’s no need to get excited about watching God move in a church service if you’re already expecting Him to move everywhere you go.

Respectfully,
Jacob's Ladder


I see the point your trying to make, but I believe your reaching for the most part. We have had this discussion here before. I don't think anyone, even those who make such statements, believes that God is confined to the church building. However, anyone should EXPECT God to move in any church service therefore we should get excited to see the results of that EXPECTED move.

We might could go a step further and define the term "move". I have seen many post that make the statement "Can't wait to see what God has instore for me today" (does that mean the person believes God has something instore for them ONLY and no one else?) or statements like "Can't wait to shine my light today at ......" or some other comment in reference to witnessing. I believe that an unpredicted opportunity to witness to someone is a "move" of God. I believe God presents us with opportunities to testify to others and as such I classify those opportunities as God moving, not only in my life but in those who develop an itching ear.

[Praxeas]

Praxeas, you amongst others have given prime examples in the above postings.
I don't understand what you mean by I've given prime examples in the above postings. I gave no examples in the above postings. All I asserted was there is nothing wrong with expecting God will do something in the church meeting. And that is to be expected, after all it was Jesus who said "Where two or more of you are gathered together in my name, there will I be in the midst of you"

People have come to expect that. We are told that if we are sick, to have the elders pray for us. That is also a gathering together of the church.


Here are a few questions I wouldn’t mind you folks answering.

1) Why do you solely anticipate to see what god will do at a church service?
I don't. Who said they did? Shouldn't we expect God to do great things when we are gathered together in His name and He is in our midst like he said? Isn't it that blessing we experience in a church meeting that empowers and encourages us to go out as individuals and live for God and expect God to work miracles through us?

The church began with a grand gathering and the outpouring occurred. The were emboldened and empowered to go and speak in His name...and yet later on the gathered again as a group and were "filled" again with the Spirit...again emboldened to go out and speak in His name

Please read Acts ch 2 through ch 4. Church is where we are edified..built up.

Read 1Cor, Ephesians, 1 Thess

Even Jesus with His disciples was and example of that. They spent a lot of time together with Jesus...then they went out and worked for the kingdom only to return again and be taught and edified more by Jesus.

2) What has caused you to be excited about being in the next church service?
See above.. I ask you though. Don't you anticipate the gathering together?

3) This excitement and expectation you anticipate in the next church service, do you feel that excitement at all times or only when church service is approaching?
That's like asking if the excitement you anticipate and experience when you kiss your girlfriend you experience when you eat a twinkie. Of course not. That does not mean you don't enjoy the twinkie. It's apples and oranges

4) What has caused you or others to say, “can't wait for the service to see what God will do IN the service.”
See Answer #1

5) Do you feel this same anticipation and expectation at all times or only when going to church?
See answer # 3

And the final question

6) If you always have the mindset of expecting God to move (not just only in the next service), why make a big deal about seeing what exactly god will do in the next service?
See answer #1


I mean, if you are always expecting God to move, your feelings between attending church or visiting the grocery store should be no different.
See #1


However, if you are of the “brainwashed mindset,” you will make the comment of “I can’t wait to see what god will do at the next church service. “
See #1.


You will make that comment because you are accustomed to seeing god move only at church service, thus, the “brainwashed mentality” of only expecting god to move in a church service and not at a grocery store.
See #1


If you genuinely expected god to move equally at the grocery store as you would in a church service, you wouldn’t make the comment of, “I can’t wait what god will do in church service,” because you would already have the mindset of expecting god to move anywhere. There’s no need to get excited about watching God move in a church service if you’re already expecting Him to move everywhere you go.
God is expecting YOU to "move at the grocery store". God expects us to get off our rear ends and move. It's YOU that needs to do the moving not God. He already did HIS part. That is what the church MEETING is for, to be edified

A Valid argument might be we aren't doing enough between services. A brainwashed argument would be to argue against expecting God to move in our services

Respectfully
Praxeas

[Barb]

What I am trying to relay is very simple.

Praxeas, you amongst others have given prime examples in the above postings.

Here are a few questions I wouldn’t mind you folks answering.

1) Why do you solely anticipate to see what god will do at a church service?
2) What has caused you to be excited about being in the next church service?
3) This excitement and expectation you anticipate in the next church service, do you feel that excitement at all times or only when church service is approaching?
4) What has caused you or others to say, “can't wait for the service to see what God will do IN the service.”
5) Do you feel this same anticipation and expectation at all times or only when going to church?

And the final question

6) If you always have the mindset of expecting God to move (not just only in the next service), why make a big deal about seeing what exactly god will do in the next service?

I mean, if you are always expecting God to move, your feelings between attending church or visiting the grocery store should be no different.

However, if you are of the “brainwashed mindset,” you will make the comment of “I can’t wait to see what god will do at the next church service. “

You will make that comment because you are accustomed to seeing god move only at church service, thus, the “brainwashed mentality” of only expecting god to move in a church service and not at a grocery store.

If you genuinely expected god to move equally at the grocery store as you would in a church service, you wouldn’t make the comment of, “I can’t wait what god will do in church service,” because you would already have the mindset of expecting god to move anywhere. There’s no need to get excited about watching God move in a church service if you’re already expecting Him to move everywhere you go.

Respectfully,
Jacob's Ladder


This is what I think...

When someone is given an answer...a reason, if you will, for why a person wrote what they did on their FB wall, and that someone still doesn't get it...

That someone is just refusing, for whatever reason to get it.

People get excited about attending a service, be it a building, tent, or backyard meeting.

For me, it is the level of worship...the anointed preaching of the Word...the fellowship of like minded folk.

And while I can, and do, experience the presence of the Lord in other arenas, it is the assembling of the faithful that thrills me.

It is NOT a brainwashed mindset.

Nor do I believe the building is the only place God will move.

Furthermore, I do not know of anyone who feels the way you imply.

I'm sorry for you that you simply don't get it, or wish to get it, and desire to make an issue out of something that clearly is NOT an issue.

[Jacob's Ladder]

Scotty,

My comments in red are in response to your posting in blue directly above.



I get excited about every church service because I enjoy fellowship with the church family and worshipping together.
I feel this excitement when any function or fellowship of my church family is approaching whether it is church, bible study, prayer meetings, or a picnic, etc Because I can not wait to see what God will do IN the next service




I understand you, but here is something you should ponder. In your above posting I took notice that your excitement comes when surrounded with brethren of like minded faith, whether at church, bible study, or picnics. I also took notice that you failed mentioning about being excited about god's supernatural manifestation while by yourself. In your above postings you're always surrounded by individuals (e.g church, prayer meetings, picnics, etc.). Could it be that simply being around people excites you, and that it isn't necessarily God's manifestation? You don't have to answer...simply think about it.

Why not? While I realize and believe God can move at the grocery store or any other venue for that matter, why would I EXPECT Him to move at the grocery store unless there was a need? However, I do EXPECT God to move in a setting where "2 or 3 agree" and not "forsaking the fellowship of the saints"



Once again, take notice. At the grocery store you would be by yourself, not surrounded by brethren of like-minded faith. You also stated above, "why would I EXPECT Him to move at the grocery store unless there was a need?" Everytime you walk out of your house, there's always a need. If there's a sinner at the grocery store, there's a need. If there's a saint at the grocery store, they have needs too. I don't expect you to walk up to every person at the grocery store and witness to them. I'm simply trying to relay that there's always a need.


I see the point your trying to make, but I believe your reaching for the most part. We have had this discussion here before. I don't think anyone, even those who make such statements, believes that God is confined to the church building. However, anyone should EXPECT God to move in any church service therefore we should get excited to see the results of that EXPECTED move.


I don't believe I'm reaching for anything other than facts. While others may not necessarily believe that spiritually god is confined to a building, the mindset had been programmed in people that in a church service is where god's supernatural manifestation reveals itself, hence, "I can't wait for service to see what god is going to do!"

Respectfully,
Jacob's Ladder

[scotty]

That's like asking if the excitement you anticipate and experience when you kiss your girlfriend you experience when you eat a twinkie. Of course not. That does not mean you don't enjoy the twinkie. It's apples and oranges



:spit

[Evang.Benincasa]

Once again, take notice. At the grocery store you would be by yourself, not surrounded by brethren of like-minded faith. You also stated above, "why would I EXPECT Him to move at the grocery store unless there was a need?" Everytime you walk out of your house, there's always a need. If there's a sinner at the grocery store, there's a need. If there's a saint at the grocery store, they have needs too. I don't expect you to walk up to every person at the grocery store and witness to them. I'm simply trying to relay that there's always a need.

I have Bible study groups in Whole Foods Supermarket in the cafe area, the same with Barnes and Noble. Are you saying that you want people to get prayed through in the isles of of a grocery store? Start shouting your hair down, and begin to prophesy over the people in customer service? You would have a shift manager wave over a police officer to escort you out of the building. I understand what you are saying but I really think there are bigger fish to fry. If someone is excited about what is going on in their church doesn't mean they wouldn't pray someone through to the Holy Ghost in the garden section of Wal Mart.

[scotty]

Scotty,

I understand you, but here is something you should ponder. In your above posting I took notice that your excitement comes when surrounded with brethren of like minded faith, whether at church, bible study, or picnics. I also took notice that you failed mentioning about being excited about god's supernatural manifestation while by yourself. In your above postings you're always surrounded by individuals (e.g church, prayer meetings, picnics, etc.). Could it be that simply being around people excites you, and that it isn't necessarily God's manifestation? You don't have to answer...simply think about it.


I didn't "fail" to mention it my friend, it was not the premise of the thread. You couldn't be more wrong, I hate being around people, lol. Truth is, if my church gets much bigger I may have to find a smaller church. It's not the "people", it the God that shows up in the midst of His people. Sure God manifest Himself in my prayer closet. Would you be more at peace about this if everyone posted throughout the day, "I can't wait to see what God is going to do at ....(breakfast, gas station, work, lunch, work again, Walmart, home, prayer closet,etc.) ?



Once again, take notice. At the grocery store you would be by yourself, not surrounded by brethren of like-minded faith. You also stated above, "why would I EXPECT Him to move at the grocery store unless there was a need?" Everytime you walk out of your house, there's always a need. If there's a sinner at the grocery store, there's a need. If there's a saint at the grocery store, they have needs too. I don't expect you to walk up to every person at the grocery store and witness to them. I'm simply trying to relay that there's always a need.


Of course there is always a need, does this mean God will move on every need or move on me to meet every need? If this were the case then no one would be in need, would they?




I don't believe I'm reaching for anything other than facts. While others may not necessarily believe that spiritually god is confined to a building, the mindset had been programmed in people that in a church service is where god's supernatural manifestation reveals itself, hence, "I can't wait foe service to see what god is going to do!"

Respectfully,
Jacob's Ladder



I really think your over analyzing this. Even so to the point your knit picking every word of my post in the attempt to find some little hole you can use to pry your point into.

[Barb]

I have Bible study groups in Whole Foods Supermarket in the cafe area, the same with Barnes and Noble. Are you saying that you want people to get prayed through in the isles of of a grocery store? Start shouting your hair down, and begin to prophesy over the people in customer service? You would have a shift manager wave over a police officer to escort you out of the building. I understand what you are saying but I really think there are bigger fish to fry. If someone is excited about what is going on in their church doesn't mean they wouldn't pray someone through to the Holy Ghost in the garden section of Wal Mart.

:thumbsup

[Abiding Now]

It's too bad that you must wait for church service tomorrow to "see what god is going to do." :D

I usually say, "I can't wait to see what god is going to do when I walk out of my front door!" I don't confine god to a church building. A church building shouldn't service as a place of miracles. A church building should serve as a launching pad, to send disciples out to perform miracles, and teach the word on the highways and byways.

This is awesome!

Please tell me about the miracles that you have witnessed "on the highways and byways".

Thanks.

Bump.......

[Jacob's Ladder]

My responses in red.




All I asserted was there is nothing wrong with expecting God will do something in the church meeting. And that is to be expected, after all it was Jesus who said "Where two or more of you are gathered together in my name, there will I be in the midst of you"
People have come to expect that. We are told that if we are sick, to have the elders pray for us. That is also a gathering together of the church.


While there's nothing wrong expecting God's manifestation at a church service, why is the emphasis of "expecting god to move at church only?" In all honesty, have you ever thought, "I wonder who God will do when I go to the grocery store or a restaurant." The majority would respond no, and reason being nobody thinks about god's manifestation in any other location besides church. Sure, Jesus said he would be in the midst of two or three. I recall Paul preaching to the people of Athens regarding God's presence, "he is not far from any one of us." So two believers aren't required to have god present. We're also told we are able to lay hands on the sick and they're recover, so elders aren't always required. I"m not sure where we're heading with your comments about "two or three" and "elders."
See above.. I ask you though. Don't you anticipate the gathering together?
No. I know god will manifest himself.




Shouldn't we expect God to do great things when we are gathered together in His name and He is in our midst like he said? Isn't it that blessing we experience in a church meeting that empowers and encourages us to go out as individuals and live for God and expect God to work miracles through us? The church began with a grand gathering and the outpouring occurred. The were emboldened and empowered to go and speak in His name...and yet later on the gathered again as a group and were "filled" again with the Spirit...again emboldened to go out and speak in His name

Even Jesus with His disciples was and example of that. They spent a lot of time together with Jesus...then they went out and worked for the kingdom only to return again and be taught and edified more by Jesus.
God is expecting YOU to "move at the grocery store". God expects us to get off our rear ends and move. It's YOU that needs to do the moving not God. He already did HIS part. That is what the church MEETING is for, to be edified


Yes, we should expect great things, not only at church services but everywhere we go. The church began with a group of people who decided to become disciples. That is another good point to interject. A group of people were called "the church," which should not be confused with a building structure which we call church. Sure, Jesus spent much time with His disciples. What does that have to do with expecting God to move at a church service? Jesus and His diciplces gathered at various locations, and not to have church, but rather to teach his displces. They weren't having church!

The disciples were taught and sent out, I agree with you. How many of us are following in the steps of the disciples? They taught in public. Do we? Miracles were performed through them in public. Are they performed through us in public? The disciples weren't of the mentality, I can't wait what God will do at the next service because they were already out on the streets, miracles, signs, and wonders being performed through them!



Respectfully,
Jacob's Ladder

[Jacob's Ladder]

This is awesome!

Please tell me about the miracles that you have witnessed "on the highways and byways".

Thanks.

What would you like to know? I've seen people healed instantly. I've also god speak to people and they break down and begin crying. What exactly are you searching for?

[houston]

What would you like to know? I've seen people healed instantly. I've also god speak to people and they break down and begin crying. What exactly are you searching for?

But, did you post pics on facebook?

[Jacob's Ladder]

I have Bible study groups in Whole Foods Supermarket in the cafe area, the same with Barnes and Noble. Are you saying that you want people to get prayed through in the isles of of a grocery store? Start shouting your hair down, and begin to prophesy over the people in customer service? You would have a shift manager wave over a police officer to escort you out of the building. I understand what you are saying but I really think there are bigger fish to fry. If someone is excited about what is going on in their church doesn't mean they wouldn't pray someone through to the Holy Ghost in the garden section of Wal Mart.


You're fearful of praying someone through in the garden section of Walmart? Why, must it be done in a private setting? Though I commend you on your efforts to win the lost, your actions are still a watered-down version in comparison to the acts of the apostles in the book of Acts

Define: "they turned the world upside-down."


Respectfully,
Jacob's Ladder

[Jacob's Ladder]

But, did you post pics on facebook?

Never.

[houston]

Never.

We need proof!!!

[houston]

You're fearful of praying someone through in the garden section of Walmart? Why, must it be done in a private setting? Though I commend you on your efforts to win the lost, your actions are still a watered-down version in comparison to the acts of the apostles in the book of Acts

Define: "they turned the world upside-down."


Respectfully,
Jacob's Ladder

You's think he'd want them to get saved right there abd then...

[Praxeas]

While there's nothing wrong expecting God's manifestation at a church service, why is the emphasis of "expecting god to move at church only?"

I answered that in my previous post...here I will repost it...


I don't. Who said they did? Shouldn't we expect God to do great things when we are gathered together in His name and He is in our midst like he said? Isn't it that blessing we experience in a church meeting that empowers and encourages us to go out as individuals and live for God and expect God to work miracles through us?

The church began with a grand gathering and the outpouring occurred. The were emboldened and empowered to go and speak in His name...and yet later on the gathered again as a group and were "filled" again with the Spirit...again emboldened to go out and speak in His name

Please read Acts ch 2 through ch 4. Church is where we are edified..built up.

Read 1Cor, Ephesians, 1 Thess

Even Jesus with His disciples was and example of that. They spent a lot of time together with Jesus...then they went out and worked for the kingdom only to return again and be taught and edified more by Jesus.

In all honesty, have you ever thought, "I wonder who God will do when I go to the grocery store or a restaurant."
Yes but especially after a church service where we were edified by God and the preaching of the word (see above)


The majority would respond no, and reason being nobody thinks about god's manifestation in any other location besides church. Sure, Jesus said he would be in the midst of two or three. I recall Paul preaching to the people of Athens regarding God's presence, "he is not far from any one of us." So two believers aren't required to have god present.
Jesus emphasized it for some reason.

We're also told we are able to lay hands on the sick and they're recover, so elders aren't always required. I"m not sure where we're heading with your comments about "two or three" and "elders."
Of course and again let's review what I posted earlier about the Disciples gathering together FIRST and THEN going out and working "in the streets", then returning again to gather together and be refreshed.

No. I know god will manifest himself.
You don't look forward to a church meeting? Is that what you meant by "no"?

Yes, we should expect great things, not only at church services but everywhere we go.
But you just said no when I asked you about whether or not you anticipate the church meeting. I see anyone arguing with you that we should expect great things between services.



The church began with a group of people who decided to become disciples. That is another good point to interject. A group of people were called "the church," which should not be confused with a building structure which we call church.
Ah but I never said it was a building. I was specifically addressing the church gathering together

Sure, Jesus spent much time with His disciples. What does that have to do with expecting God to move at a church service?
I explained that very clearly in my post

Isn't it that blessing we experience in a church meeting that empowers and encourages us to go out as individuals and live for God and expect God to work miracles through us?

The church began with a grand gathering and the outpouring occurred. The were emboldened and empowered to go and speak in His name...and yet later on the gathered again as a group and were "filled" again with the Spirit...again emboldened to go out and speak in His name

Please read Acts ch 2 through ch 4. Church is where we are edified..built up.

Read 1Cor, Ephesians, 1 Thess

Even Jesus with His disciples was and example of that. They spent a lot of time together with Jesus...then they went out and worked for the kingdom only to return again and be taught and edified more by Jesus.

Jesus and His diciplces gathered at various locations, and not to have church, but rather to teach his displces. They weren't having church!
They are the church and they gathered together. That is "having church". That is what happens at "church"...teaching, preaching, edifying (See 1Cor)


The disciples were taught and sent out, I agree with you. How many of us are following in the steps of the disciples?
Like I said, if THAT was your issue that would be something we can discuss. But it isn't. Your issue is saints saying “I can’t wait to see what God will do at church tonight!”. In fact, you referred to them as brainwashed, pathetic and narrow-minded people.

Second, not everyone is an Apostle. The people that followed Jesus left their families and traveled with Jesus. They left their jobs, their families...you are right I don't see hardly anyone doing that...In fact I see anyone doing that.


They taught in public. Do we?
In some places yes. There are few places anymore you can do that without being arrested for trespassing. That is why personal evangelism and home biblestudies are the preferred method for many


Miracles were performed through them in public. Are they performed through us in public?
No but that has nothing to do with “I can’t wait to see what God will do at church tonight!” since we rarely see miracles of that magnitude in a church meeting. That's a whole other issue but I know lots of Pentecostals that believe and expect miracles to happen when we pray anywhere with people. And yet many of them would gladly say “I can’t wait to see what God will do at church tonight!”

So that is another issue about how to get Miracles to occur more often. And guess what? I believe whatever the answer is, you need to get that information TO your church. Yes so a good venue is to teach the church these things.

That goes along again with what I said about why we need church and why it's OK to come with anticipation. (see answer to your #1 question, reposted twice here)


The disciples weren't of the mentality, I can't wait what God will do at the next service because they were already out on the streets, miracles, signs, and wonders being performed through them!
But again they were on the streets doing that AFTER gathering together and being taught :-)

I somehow doubt they felt dread instead of expectation towards their next meeting with their teacher (Jesus).

In fact Im pretty sure the church looked forward to Paul arriving and teaching them...except the fornicators at Corinth, I sense they viewed the gathering of the church as a great thing!

2Jn 1:12 Having many things to write to you, I do not want to say with paper and ink. But I trust to come to you and speak face to face, so that our joy may be full.
Paul couldn't wait to return to be with the believers
Rom 15:31 that I may be delivered from those disbelieving in Judea, and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted by the saints;
Rom 15:32 so that I may come to you with joy by the will of God, and may be refreshed with you.
Rom 15:33 Now may the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

Now you say they weren't of that mentality, but I see nothing in scriptures that supports they did not look forward to gathering together as the church.

[Praxeas]

You's think he'd want them to get saved right there abd then...
Yeah. Don't they have water there too? To spray the veggies down? Maybe with enough plastic bags and a shopping cart we can make a baptism tank :heeheehee

[Amanah]

does baptism have to be in water, could it take place in a vat of grape juice for instance?

[scotty]

does baptism have to be in water, could it take place in a vat of grape juice for instance?

Hmmmm,

Acts 8:36......And the eunuch said, “See, here is a vat of grape juice. What hinders me from being baptized?”

I don't know, just doesn't have the same ring to it ya know?

jk.

I have heard of some sects that only believe baptizing in running water, stream's, rivers, fed lakes, etc.

[Evang.Benincasa]

You're fearful of praying someone through in the garden section of Walmart? Why, must it be done in a private setting? Though I commend you on your efforts to win the lost, your actions are still a watered-down version in comparison to the acts of the apostles in the book of Acts

Define: "they turned the world upside-down."


Respectfully,
Jacob's Ladder

Define turn the world upside down?

Well, it is not you.

You are too busy playing Don Quixote while pointing out the short comings of the windmills on the internet.

Too funny.

:yourock