True Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal Holiness

[CC1]

There is a very interesting public facebook page titled "True Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal Holiness"

For all of you progressive UPCers that try to convince me that the UPC is now moderate and mainstream I challenge you to explore the posts on that FB page.

One prime example of how the magic hair docctrine is alive and well in old time Oneness Pentecost is a post that I am going to try and post a link to here. The post is very long but you only initially see a small portion of it until you hit the "more" button.

Once you do that you can find out how this woman used her magical uncut hair to heal someone, etc. I find it ironic that she asks for no criticism to her post out of respect for her yet in her post she has no hesitation to condemn women who cut their hair as possibly endangering their families.

It has taken every bit of self control to keep from ignoring her request and pointing out to her that her hair is not a magical tailsman and that she is the one that should be worried because she is pretty much dabbling in the occult and is in heresy.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=347443425366940&set=a.338034439641172.75064.100003038550285&type=1&theater

I just tried the link and while it does bring you to the FB page and pic for the topic it does not bring you to the specific post I wanted you to read. Maybe if you search for "Kelli Orange" once you are at the link as it is her note I was referring to.

[*AQuietPlace*]

I clicked the link and it took me directly to that post.

[seekerman]

Would the magic hair belief be somewhat akin to the romanist practice of antimins or statues of the 'saints' who help them attain answers to prayers?

[Jason B]

The lady in the picture looks pretty sad to me.

[FlamingZword]

There is a very interesting public facebook page titled "True Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal Holiness"

For all of you progressive UPCers that try to convince me that the UPC is now moderate and mainstream I challenge you to explore the posts on that FB page.

One prime example of how the magic hair docctrine is alive and well in old time Oneness Pentecost is a post that I am going to try and post a link to here. The post is very long but you only initially see a small portion of it until you hit the "more" button.

Once you do that you can find out how this woman used her magical uncut hair to heal someone, etc. I find it ironic that she asks for no criticism to her post out of respect for her yet in her post she has no hesitation to condemn women who cut their hair as possibly endangering their families.

It has taken every bit of self control to keep from ignoring her request and pointing out to her that her hair is not a magical tailsman and that she is the one that should be worried because she is pretty much dabbling in the occult and is in heresy.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=347443425366940&set=a.338034439641172.75064.100003038550285&type=1&theater

I just tried the link and while it does bring you to the FB page and pic for the topic it does not bring you to the specific post I wanted you to read. Maybe if you search for "Kelli Orange" once you are at the link as it is her note I was referring to.

Maybe I should start a holy beard doctrine.

perhaps brother Steve Winters beard has magical power too.

Nah, last time I tried growing a beard, I looked like a mass murderer.
those guys from duck dynasty looked handsome next to me.

I had to shave out because I am definitely not a beard man.

[RandyWayne]

I only skimmed the article but the majority of comments that follow praising it horrify me for some reason.

[houston]

I went to a hair conference that was very enlightening

[houston]

" Many people discard so many of our beliefs because they do not have the revelation.
I don't think that is the reason.

[houston]

We have power through our uncut hair! Women, isn't there something in your life you would like to have the victory over? Let your hair down. walk around your house. lay your hair over your children!!! When your unsaved husband is sleeping, lay your glory over that man and use that power you have with the angels!!! If your body is in pain.. if your finances are in trouble, if your marriage is on the rocks, if your children are straying from this truth. WHATEVER you need WE HAVE THE POWER!!!!
it worked well for RRH

[houston]

Titus 2:5 says that women are to be "keepers at home". This phrase in the Greek language has a much deeper meaning than simply housekeeping, cooking, cleaning, etc. It also means "a guard, to beware". Ladies, your job description involves more than housekeeping. You are to be a guard that will beware of any evil that would try to come into your homes. We can actually open up our homes for evil spirits to come in if we are in rebellion. Your uncut hair brings protection to the entire family

some real harry potter stuff

[houston]

*(The Word of God says): *(for her hair is given her for a covering.)

*(Now for you women with long, uncut hair, you are to pray with your

hair down, so that you are covered.)

makes sense

[houston]

i am so blessed by this sister... i can't stop crying... thank you so much for posting this... though many people around try to scorn or mock me with my hair i will remember this post & be more proud with my hair.... thank you so much....


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crying

[RandyWayne]

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w113/RandyWayneD/Misc%20pics%20for%20posting%20on%20other%20sites/HairJPEG.jpg

[RandyWayne]

I want to comment on this article so bad, but I have to "like" it to do it!! Argh!

[FlamingZword]

The lady in the picture looks pretty sad to me.

Impossible, she has magic hair that should provide her with plenty of happiness.

Is there anything that we men can use to also have that magical power?

[FlamingZword]

All we're left with, or without as the case may be, is our foreskins. Not something we can exactly stroke in public without being labeled a perv.

Isn't this how the holy relics junket was born?
Bones from holy men were supposed to work miracles, so there were all kinds of bones dug up.

When someone mentioned that there are enough holy splinters of the cross to make many crosses, the Catholics came up with the ingenious response that God miraculously multiplied the splinters like Jesus multiplied the bread.

[venessanoah]

As true apostolic pentacostal, I believe that we should not cut our hair as women, whether is trimmed or bobed. And this is not for my husband, but as my obedience unto God.

[Nitehawk013]

As true apostolic pentacostal, I believe that we should not cut our hair as women, whether is trimmed or bobed. And this is not for my husband, but as my obedience unto God.

Thats fine to believe and all...but WHY do you believe it? Paul never used the word uncut. He used the word long. He knew greek well and could have used the greek words that mean uncut, but chose specifically not to, choosing rather to go with long. As the word is inspired by God, that means GOD didn't want the word for uncut to be used. God meant long.

So if long is Paul's word on the issue...why do we feel we have the right to say it means uncut?

[Amanah]

A case can be made from either side using scripture for or against uncut hair from this passage. It's not all that cut and dried unless it's a personal conviction, in which case you can argue the passage compellingly from your convictions.

For me it comes down to this: long hair on a male is effeminate, but long hair on a female is her crowning glory.
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Segraves, Daniel L. “Hair Length in the Bible” WAP, 1989 (pages 43 – 45)
A question generally arises at this point: How long must one’s hair be to fit the biblical definition of “long?” The answer centers on the meaning of the Greek words Koma (a verb) and Kome (a noun).
Koma is translated “have long hair” both in verses 14 and 15. According to Gingrich’s lexicon, the work means to “wear long hair, let one’s hair grow long.” Thayer’s Lexicon renders it “to let the hair grow, have long hair.” Obviously, someone cannot allow hair to grow and cut it at the same time.
Kome is the word translated “hair” in the phrase “for her hair is given her for a covering” (verse 15). The passages cited by Bauer’s lexicon and Moulton and Miligan’s Vocabulary of the Greek New Testament indicate that kome refers to uncut hair. The passages cited by these works in which his word occurs in Greek literature demand the meaning of “uncut hair.” The word kome is also used to describe the Nazarite, who were forbidden to cut their hair.
Long hair is hair that has not been shorn, or cut; it has been allowed to grow. It does not require a specific length . . .
The statement “for her hair is given her for a covering” is critical to the entire passage, for it provides the only specific definition of a covering in the passage . . .
What does the phrase “if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him mean? . . .
This is not to suggest that a man does well if he merely cuts his hair with great infrequency. Underlying this entire passage is the Bible teaching of the distinction between men and women. While a man might be able to escape the technical definition of “long hair” by having his hair cut once in a great while, he could very well violate the spirit of the passage by giving the appearance of having uncut hair and by blurring the distinction between the sexes. The woman’s hair should be clearly long and uncut; the man’s hair should be clearly short and cut.
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
If one wants to believe Paul was commanding women to have long hair, I can probably make an argument that he means uncut hair.

But I don't believe that is his intent. For one thing it would logically mean any time hair is cut, even if it's 4 feet long and one cuts off 2 inches, the hair is short

So the only real difference between short and long hair is the split ends.

DS understood the conundrum and tried to explain it away but I don't buy it. Men can have long cut hair and still be considered short.

but one thing needs to be understood. There is no word there in the greek for "long". It's actually one word translated "long hair"

Zodhaites
komáō; contracted komṓ, fut. komḗsō, from kómē (G2864), hair. To have long hair (1Co_11:14-15). Paul teaches that a woman's hair ought to be different from a man's, and that a woman's hair is equivalent to a peribólaion (G4018), something that is wrapped around, a veil or mantle. From the context, it seems that the woman's hair ought to be distinct from a man's hair, not only in length, but also in ornamentation.

When I was a kid, I used to let my hair grow out. I would not cut it for a long time, then get it cut or trimmed but it was still young. It seems that, to me, the intent is not to "never ever cut" but to "grow it long"

[renee819]

Amanah wrote,
A case can be made from either side using scripture for or against uncut hair from this passage. It's not all that cut and dried unless it's a personal conviction, in which case you can argue the passage compellingly from your convictions.

For me it comes down to this: long hair on a male is effeminate, but long hair on a female is her crowning glory.----------------------------------

That's it Amanah. I love long hair and won't cut mine. But I don't condemn those that do. What I think we all see is the teaching or thinking that the power of God is in the hair itself.

[Steve Epley]

Didn''t read the article if the woman is saying there is some supernatural power in hair itself that is absurd. Many of us condemned this as heresy from the beginning. In the FCF days we stood against it. However the Bible clearly teaches a woman is to be covered when praying and prophecying the ONLY defined covering in the chapter is long hair(komao let her hair grow). Newman who was a champion for those who were promoting women cutting their hair put numerous lexicons for the definitions of shorn and nearly everyone of them included cut or cut off. And Sabellious nailed her hide and sent her into oblivion.:thumbsup
Paul taught no church of God allowes women with bobbed hair to worship as a member.
Trying to keep y'all straight.:happydance

[Ferd]

Would the magic hair belief be somewhat akin to the romanist practice of antimins or statues of the 'saints' who help them attain answers to prayers?

well, as a member of the UPCI, I can say without question that both of the things you named above are damnable heresy!

[Ferd]

Didn''t read the article if the woman is saying there is some supernatural power in hair itself that is absurd. Many of us condemned this as heresy from the beginning. In the FCF days we stood against it. However the Bible clearly teaches a woman is to be covered when praying and prophecying the ONLY defined covering in the chapter is long hair(komao let her hair grow). Newman who was a champion for those who were promoting women cutting their hair put numerous lexicons for the definitions of shorn and nearly everyone of them included cut or cut off. And Sabellious nailed her hide and sent her into oblivion.:thumbsup
Paul taught no church of God allowes women with bobbed hair to worship as a member.
Trying to keep y'all straight.:happydance

Amen, Brother Epley!

[kclee4jc]

Didn''t read the article if the woman is saying there is some supernatural power in hair itself that is absurd. Many of us condemned this as heresy from the beginning. In the FCF days we stood against it. However the Bible clearly teaches a woman is to be covered when praying and prophecying the ONLY defined covering in the chapter is long hair(komao let her hair grow). Newman who was a champion for those who were promoting women cutting their hair put numerous lexicons for the definitions of shorn and nearly everyone of them included cut or cut off. And Sabellious nailed her hide and sent her into oblivion.:thumbsup
Paul taught no church of God allowes women with bobbed hair to worship as a member.
Trying to keep y'all straight.:happydance

right on once again!

Uncut hair is simply obedience. There is POWER in obedience. I didn't need a book or theology steeped in mysticism to get that revelation. Just a heart desiring to do what is right before God and an honest look at I Corinthians 11.

I have heard Bro. Stoneking teach on uncut hair and while I know that he is a little on the finatic side of pretty much anything (not sayin thats a bad thing...just his personality)...I do not believe he is spewing what people are accusing him of. Anyone can take any doctrine or teaching (good or bad) and run with it...making it something it was not intended to be. That is what many (IMO) have done with Bro. Stoneking's teaching on uncut hair.

[Barb]

Didn''t read the article if the woman is saying there is some supernatural power in hair itself that is absurd. Many of us condemned this as heresy from the beginning. In the FCF days we stood against it. However the Bible clearly teaches a woman is to be covered when praying and prophecying the ONLY defined covering in the chapter is long hair(komao let her hair grow). Newman who was a champion for those who were promoting women cutting their hair put numerous lexicons for the definitions of shorn and nearly everyone of them included cut or cut off. And Sabellious nailed her hide and sent her into oblivion.:thumbsup
Paul taught no church of God allowes women with bobbed hair to worship as a member.
Trying to keep y'all straight.:happydance

We have been over this before, Elder...recently as I recall, and NO ONE sent Newman into oblivion.

Respectfully, if you knew Newman, other than a cursory forum glance, you would know that she would not allow anyone to send her packing.

Just saying'...

[Steve Epley]

We have been over this before, Elder...recently as I recall, and NO ONE sent Newman into oblivion.

Respectfully, if you knew Newman, other than a cursory forum glance, you would know that she would not allow anyone to send her packing.

Just saying'...

On this we just will disagree. She was indeed a lady and a scholar in her own right. I teased her that she had an alarm on her computer when ever the word 'hair' appeared it rang a bell and she came charging in. I respected her but I was there and after Sab took her arguments apart piece by piece she disappeared. I hope all is well with her this certainly isn't meant as a slam on her I liked her she was always a lady. :thumbsup

[houston]

right on once again!

Uncut hair is simply obedience. There is POWER in obedience. I didn't need a book or theology steeped in mysticism to get that revelation. Just a heart desiring to do what is right before God and an honest look at I Corinthians 11.

I have heard Bro. Stoneking teach on uncut hair and while I know that he is a little on the finatic side of pretty much anything (not sayin thats a bad thing...just his personality)...I do not believe he is spewing what people are accusing him of. Anyone can take any doctrine or teaching (good or bad) and run with it...making it something it was not intended to be. That is what many (IMO) have done with Bro. Stoneking's teaching on uncut hair.

WRONG!!! It was endorsed in the Pentecostal Herald.

The UPCI website had a pic posted of a woman praying over an offering basket with her hair.

[Barb]

On this we just will disagree. She was indeed a lady and a scholar in her own right. I teased her that she had an alarm on her computer when ever the word 'hair' appeared it rang a bell and she came charging in. I respected her but I was there and after Sab took her arguments apart piece by piece she disappeared. I hope all is well with her this certainly isn't meant as a slam on her I liked her she was always a lady. :thumbsup

I was there as well, Elder...yes, we will just disagree.

All seems to be well with Newman and I will pass on your regards when I next speak with her.

[Barb]

WRONG!!! It was endorsed in the Pentecostal Herald.

The UPCI website had a pic posted of a woman praying over an offering basket with her hair.

Very true...I saw the pic as well. It disgusted me!

[FlamingZword]

As true apostolic pentacostal, I believe that we should not cut our hair as women, whether is trimmed or bobed. And this is not for my husband, but as my obedience unto God.

That is fine, no problem with that, but to claim that there is some magical power in the hair goes way beyond the scriptures.

[Barb]

right on once again!

Uncut hair is simply obedience. There is POWER in obedience. I didn't need a book or theology steeped in mysticism to get that revelation. Just a heart desiring to do what is right before God and an honest look at I Corinthians 11.

I have heard Bro. Stoneking teach on uncut hair and while I know that he is a little on the finatic side of pretty much anything (not sayin thats a bad thing...just his personality)...I do not believe he is spewing what people are accusing him of. Anyone can take any doctrine or teaching (good or bad) and run with it...making it something it was not intended to be. That is what many (IMO) have done with Bro. Stoneking's teaching on uncut hair.

That word 'power' means authority. It does NOT mean I can lay my uncut on the hood of my car an and it will start.

And think on this...

There are zillions of women who do not cut their hair, and for religious reasons. Do they all have the same power? And is this soul saving power?

How do you or LS explain the women who do not cut their hair, but have met with a tragedy?

MY SIL is a UPCI pastor's wife...Apostolic born and bred. Never cut her hair, yet in 2001 her 20 year old son went into a diabetic coma and died. Where was the protection?

This teaching is outrageous!

And if you or anyone else in LS's corner think folks are making this up, go to YouTube and listen to his videos...it is disgusting.

I do NOT cut my hair, but not because of some concocted notion that I can perform miracles by the laying on of my hair.

If that were the case, laying on of hair would have been mentioned in the same breath as laying on of hands.

The healing power is in God alone!

If it is in my hair, God loses the glory.

Amen and Amen!

[FlamingZword]

WRONG!!! It was endorsed in the Pentecostal Herald.

The UPCI website had a pic posted of a woman praying over an offering basket with her hair.

That is plain witchcraft.

There is no difference between that and praying over the offering with the bone of a holy person?

[FlamingZword]

That word 'power' means authority. It does NOT mean I can lay my uncut on the hood of my car an and it will start.

And think on this...

There are zillions of women who do not cut their hair, and for religious reasons. Do they all have the same power? And is this soul saving power?

How do you or LS explain the women who do not cut their hair, but have met with a tragedy?

MY SIL is a UPCI pastor's wife...Apostolic born and bred. Never cut her hair, yet in 2001 her 20 year old son went into a diabetic coma and died. Where was the protection?

This teaching is outrageous!

And if you or anyone else in LS's corner think folks are making this up, go to YouTube and listen to his videos...it is disgusting.

I do NOT cut my hair, but not because of some concocted notion that I can perform miracles by the laying on of my hair.

If that were the case, laying on of hair would have been mentioned in the same breath as laying on of hands.

The healing power is in God alone!

If it is in my hair, God loses the glory.

Amen and Amen!

You have every right to be outraged, the magical hair doctrine smacks of witchcraft, all that is needed is some hocus pocus Latin phrase.

[kclee4jc]

That word 'power' means authority. It does NOT mean I can lay my uncut on the hood of my car an and it will start.

And think on this...

There are zillions of women who do not cut their hair, and for religious reasons. Do they all have the same power? And is this soul saving power?

How do you or LS explain the women who do not cut their hair, but have met with a tragedy?

MY SIL is a UPCI pastor's wife...Apostolic born and bred. Never cut her hair, yet in 2001 her 20 year old son went into a diabetic coma and died. Where was the protection?

This teaching is outrageous!

And if you or anyone else in LS's corner think folks are making this up, go to YouTube and listen to his videos...it is disgusting.

I do NOT cut my hair, but not because of some concocted notion that I can perform miracles by the laying on of my hair.

If that were the case, laying on of hair would have been mentioned in the same breath as laying on of hands.

The healing power is in God alone!

If it is in my hair, God loses the glory.

Amen and Amen!

go back and read my quote please.

I do not believe there is "power" in uncut hair.

Nor do i believe in "laying on of hair" as a doctrine or normal practice.

I do not believe a lady has any more power because of her uncut hair as an act of obedience than i do for keeping mine short.

This hyper junk of power in hair scares me..i believe the Word of God teaches uncut hair on ladies and short hair on men...and God honors that.

I believe people are making an idol out of hair...thats not pleasing to God.

I don't necessarily disagree with anything in your post..except that I'm not convinced LS is advocating what he is being accused of. I could be wrong...and if he is...I very much disagree with that message.

[kclee4jc]

WRONG!!! It was endorsed in the Pentecostal Herald.

The UPCI website had a pic posted of a woman praying over an offering basket with her hair.

I can't help that this garbage was endorsed in the Herald or what the UPCI website posted.

I'm simply saying that Bro Stoneking's message has been taken to extremes by many in the movement. I don't know that I believe that is what he is trying to promote or advocate.

[Pressing-On]

That word 'power' means authority. It does NOT mean I can lay my uncut on the hood of my car an and it will start.

And think on this...

There are zillions of women who do not cut their hair, and for religious reasons. Do they all have the same power? And is this soul saving power?

How do you or LS explain the women who do not cut their hair, but have met with a tragedy?

MY SIL is a UPCI pastor's wife...Apostolic born and bred. Never cut her hair, yet in 2001 her 20 year old son went into a diabetic coma and died. Where was the protection?

This teaching is outrageous!

And if you or anyone else in LS's corner think folks are making this up, go to YouTube and listen to his videos...it is disgusting.

I do NOT cut my hair, but not because of some concocted notion that I can perform miracles by the laying on of my hair.

If that were the case, laying on of hair would have been mentioned in the same breath as laying on of hands.

The healing power is in God alone!

If it is in my hair, God loses the glory.

Amen and Amen!
WOOT!! PREACH, BARB!!!! :cheer :cheer

Not only does God lose the glory over my hair, but my husband also loses his authority in the house. He ain't gonna like that. :heeheehee

[houston]

I can't help that this garbage was endorsed in the Herald or what the UPCI website posted.

I'm simply saying that Bro Stoneking's message has been taken to extremes by many in the movement. I don't know that I believe that is what he is trying to promote or advocate.

The message has not been taken to extremes. He told his daughter in law to lay her hair on her ill child.

[Pressing-On]

I can't help that this garbage was endorsed in the Herald or what the UPCI website posted.

I'm simply saying that Bro Stoneking's message has been taken to extremes by many in the movement. I don't know that I believe that is what he is trying to promote or advocate.

No, I don't believe it has been taken to extremes. I have his message on a thumbdrive to prove that. I've already posted it and am not going to drag it out again, but we have all read it.

[Steve Epley]

That word 'power' means authority. It does NOT mean I can lay my uncut on the hood of my car an and it will start.

And think on this...

There are zillions of women who do not cut their hair, and for religious reasons. Do they all have the same power? And is this soul saving power?

How do you or LS explain the women who do not cut their hair, but have met with a tragedy?

MY SIL is a UPCI pastor's wife...Apostolic born and bred. Never cut her hair, yet in 2001 her 20 year old son went into a diabetic coma and died. Where was the protection?

This teaching is outrageous!

And if you or anyone else in LS's corner think folks are making this up, go to YouTube and listen to his videos...it is disgusting.

I do NOT cut my hair, but not because of some concocted notion that I can perform miracles by the laying on of my hair.

If that were the case, laying on of hair would have been mentioned in the same breath as laying on of hands.

The healing power is in God alone!

If it is in my hair, God loses the glory.

Amen and Amen!

The teaching was absurd and false. It was somewhat contained in certain circles. The powers that be were too slow in debunking it for what reason I know not. But the first time I heard of it was on FCF. I went immediately to my pulpit and denounced it. I wrote an article against it. No preacher I was associated with believed it but rather denounced it. There might be a rare case where a godly felt let to lay her hair, hanky, or hand on someone and they got healed BY FAITH not by the object. Do greet Newman for me she shared prayer request a time or two. I really respected her.

[kclee4jc]

The message has not been taken to extremes. He told his daughter in law to lay her hair on her ill child.

maybe not...i've only heard him preach it once.
Maybe I didnt listen objectively enough to recognize error.
I certainly don't believe what is being preached or practiced by some today.
Like i said, i feel some are making an idol out of hair and developing an ego because of it.

[RandyWayne]

I can say I only skimmed the Facebook post, mainly because I have a hard time reading ANY article which is formatted in one giant block of text whether it be on Facebook or here.

However I DID read many of the responses to it and per the norm, I am usually FAR more bothered by someones followers than the person they are following regardless of how wrong they are. These women were just "ooooooo"ing and "ahhhhhhh"ing over what the author wrote as well as holding up their OWN "glorious!" magic hair to provide further examples of its wondrous power.

[Jack Shephard]

:bored

Total snooze fest here...

If one has long hair then cool, if they don't cool. It is not wrong either way. What is wrong is having a bad attitude towards those that believe differently than you do.

Like Cindy would say, "Good grief"

[Aquila]

When will we realize that one cannot pour new wine into old wineskins?

[Ferd]

When will we realize that one cannot pour new wine into old wineskins?

i just want folks to hold to solid doctinal views and realize that contorting scripture to make thier points can (and in this case does) lead to damnable heresy.

[Justin]

According to a day message preached at this years NA Youth Congress... it was the uncut hair of a lady which saved from from getting HIV/AIDS after being pricked with an infected needle.

http://stuffapostolicslike.blogspot.com/2013/08/278-holy-magic-hair-as-cure-for-hiv.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZwD6U_ONLyg

[Aquila]

i just want folks to hold to solid doctinal views and realize that contorting scripture to make thier points can (and in this case does) lead to damnable heresy.

That's respectable. But there is one thing about Christianity that makes this most difficult. What are the "solid doctrinal views" that you're talking about? What version of "Oneness"? What version of "holiness"? What interpretation of "full salvation"?

Christianity is very, very, very vague when one backs up and examines it critically. Hence the need for creeds, confessions, and articles of faith. Personally... I like creeds. hehehe

[RandyWayne]

According to a day message preached at this years NA Youth Congress... it was the uncut hair of a lady which saved from from getting HIV/AIDS after being pricked with an infected needle.

http://stuffapostolicslike.blogspot.com/2013/08/278-holy-magic-hair-as-cure-for-hiv.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZwD6U_ONLyg

Interesting article! I love reading the discussion comments just as much.

[RandyWayne]

No wonder young people leave the org (and sadly, Christianity) when leaving for college or just entering the "real world" as adults when THIS swill is the stuff part or most of their faith is being based on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwD6U_ONLyg&feature=player_embedded

[Barb]

No wonder young people leave the org (and sadly, Christianity) when leaving for college or just entering the "real world" as adults when THIS swill is the stuff part or most of their faith is being based on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwD6U_ONLyg&feature=player_embedded

Jesus heals. Period. It has NOTHING to do with hair, makeup, or anything else.

For crying out loud...God healed bald headed, pink wigged, black-eyed Jan Crouch...give me a break! The healing is in faith in the Healer, not a formula!

When are Spirit filled folks gonna wake up and stop making stars out of ordinary people, and stop making doctrine out of nothing?

[Barb]

go back and read my quote please.

I do not believe there is "power" in uncut hair.

Nor do i believe in "laying on of hair" as a doctrine or normal practice.

I do not believe a lady has any more power because of her uncut hair as an act of obedience than i do for keeping mine short.

This hyper junk of power in hair scares me..i believe the Word of God teaches uncut hair on ladies and short hair on men...and God honors that.

I believe people are making an idol out of hair...thats not pleasing to God.

I don't necessarily disagree with anything in your post..except that I'm not convinced LS is advocating what he is being accused of. I could be wrong...and if he is...I very much disagree with that message.
I was on a rant, going off about your remarks re LS...he IS advocating everything he is accused of.

He said on one video that his detractors could just drop off the face of the earth, and the sooner the better.

Sounds like a loving man of God to me...

[Barb]

The teaching was absurd and false. It was somewhat contained in certain circles. The powers that be were too slow in debunking it for what reason I know not. But the first time I heard of it was on FCF. I went immediately to my pulpit and denounced it. I wrote an article against it. No preacher I was associated with believed it but rather denounced it. There might be a rare case where a godly felt let to lay her hair, hanky, or hand on someone and they got healed BY FAITH not by the object. Do greet Newman for me she shared prayer request a time or two. I really respected her.

And that's the thing, Elder...

Some well-meaning, sincere sister was praying for a loved one or whatever, laid over them, and God honored their prayer of faith.

She shared this with someone who told someone else who made into a thing that it must have been the hair that did the healing...

It's like dear Sis. McGruder...she was sick one morning, praying in her home, and she felt to literally stand on the Word...laying her Bible on the floor, she did just that, and she felt a touch from the Lord.

Suddenly there were women everywhere standing on their Bible...

Folks, just because Naaman dipped 7 times in a dirty river doesn't mean I must do the same.

Let's get for real here...

[RandyWayne]

And that's the thing, Elder...

Some well-meaning, sincere sister was praying for a loved one or whatever, laid over them, and God honored their prayer of faith.

She shared this with someone who told someone else who made into a thing that it must have been the hair that did the healing...

It's like dear Sis. McGruder...she was sick one morning, praying in her home, and she felt to literally stand on the Word...laying her Bible on the floor, she did just that, and she felt a touch from the Lord.

Suddenly there were women everywhere standing on their Bible...

Folks, just because Naaman dipped 7 times in a dirty river doesn't mean I must do the same.

Let's get for real here...

You hit the nail on the head in more ways than one!

I will be thinking of this post the next time I hear about an upcoming foot washing service!

[kclee4jc]

I want the real thing. The real demonstration of the Holy Ghost and Holiness.
Unfortunately too many who have started seeking God for the real thing, somewhere along the line settled for a dose of sensationalism.

[houston]

I find this meatloaf rather shallow and pedantic.

[Pressing-On]

And that's the thing, Elder...

Some well-meaning, sincere sister was praying for a loved one or whatever, laid over them, and God honored their prayer of faith.

She shared this with someone who told someone else who made into a thing that it must have been the hair that did the healing...

It's like dear Sis. McGruder...she was sick one morning, praying in her home, and she felt to literally stand on the Word...laying her Bible on the floor, she did just that, and she felt a touch from the Lord.

Suddenly there were women everywhere standing on their Bible...

Folks, just because Naaman dipped 7 times in a dirty river doesn't mean I must do the same.

Let's get for real here...

:thumbsup :thumbsup

:yourock

[Jack Shephard]

No wonder young people leave the org (and sadly, Christianity) when leaving for college or just entering the "real world" as adults when THIS swill is the stuff part or most of their faith is being based on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwD6U_ONLyg&feature=player_embedded

This is only one example of why I am no longer UPC. This stuff makes me sick!

[Steve Epley]

This is only one example of why I am no longer UPC. This stuff makes me sick!

I don't see how this is the same at all? The young lady being a bew convert made a committment to God why wouldn't God honor that and keep the virus from infecting her showing her He was partner in her committment. NOTHING here is being said about the power of hair but a promise given to the Lord. You don't think God honors committments we make to Him?

[Steve Epley]

I don't see how this is the same at all? The young lady being a bew convert made a committment to God why wouldn't God honor that and keep the virus from infecting her showing her He was partner in her committment. NOTHING here is being said about the power of hair but a promise given to the Lord. You don't think God honors committments we make to Him?

Seems to me you folks just hate. And honestly Pentecost is better off with some folks not claiming to be Pentecost. Go and learn hat that means.:thumbsup

[seekerman]

I don't see how this is the same at all? The young lady being a bew convert made a committment to God why wouldn't God honor that and keep the virus from infecting her showing her He was partner in her committment. NOTHING here is being said about the power of hair but a promise given to the Lord. You don't think God honors committments we make to Him?

If you don't think that not cutting her hair and God moving on her behalf wasn't the point of the story then you're blind.....leading the blind. And if you don't think that the teaching she received included the requirement that a woman isn't to cut her hair if wishes to be saved you're clueless also.

That's what the sermon was about, that a woman should know not to cut her hair if she wishes to be saved and a woman shouldn't cut her hair if she hopes for God to move in her life.

It was a magic hair sermon, not a God works miracles in your life in answer to prayer sermon.

[seekerman]

Seems to me you folks just hate. And honestly Pentecost is better off with some folks not claiming to be Pentecost. Go and learn hat that means.:thumbsup

The largest Pentecostal organization in the world, the one which proceeded oneness Pentecostalism (circa 1913), teaches no such thing. Pentecostal doesn't mean 'woman don't cut your hair because it's a sin and you'll go to hell or die of a dreaded disease if you do'.

Time for you to learn what Pentecostal actually means....from the bible of course, not from your romanist legalistic system.

[KWSS1976]

The Largest Pentecostal org I believe is the AOG. And they don't hold to the the hair and dress standards atleast my church does not..

[seekerman]

The Largest Pentecostal org I believe is the AOG. And they don't hold to the the hair and dress standards atleast my church does not..

The Assemblies of God is not only one of the largest Pentecostal organizations, but one of the oldest, founded in 1914. As with many Pentecostal organization, the 'standard's (read women's appearance) have changed over time in the Assemblies of God. At one time, they were more conservative than they are now, with longer hair and dresses, but at no time was it a salvational issue as far as I'm aware.

[Luke]

The Assemblies of God is not only one of the largest Pentecostal organizations, but one of the oldest, founded in 1914. As with many Pentecostal organization, the 'standard's (read women's appearance) have changed over time in the Assemblies of God. At one time, they were more conservative than they are now, with longer hair and dresses, but at no time was it a salvational issue as far as I'm aware.


They used to preach it as such before they became liberal.

[Barb]

The Largest Pentecostal org I believe is the AOG. And they don't hold to the the hair and dress standards atleast my church does not..

The Assemblies of God is not only one of the largest Pentecostal organizations, but one of the oldest, founded in 1914. As with many Pentecostal organization, the 'standard's (read women's appearance) have changed over time in the Assemblies of God. At one time, they were more conservative than they are now, with longer hair and dresses, but at no time was it a salvational issue as far as I'm aware.

Some AoG still teach this...

My mom and I met a young lady at a Collingsworth Family concert...wasn't sure if she was Apostolic, Nazarene, Bible Methodist, Wesleyan, or what.

Come to find out, she is AoG from Indiana.

[seekerman]

Some AoG still teach this...

My mom and I met a young lady at a Collingsworth Family concert...wasn't sure if she was Apostolic, Nazarene, Bible Methodist, Wesleyan, or what.

Come to find out, she is AoG from Indiana.

I thought they were Nazarene. No matter, they sure have a powerful music ministry.

[Barb]

I thought they were Nazarene. No matter, they sure have a powerful music ministry.

The Collingsworth Family are Bible Methodist...the young lady we met is AoG.

[KWSS1976]

As far as music goes, man when we have music worship it will make the hair on the back of your neck stand up..

[CC1]

As far as music goes, man when we have music worship it will make the hair on the back of your neck stand up..

That bad huh? I have experienced that listening to heavy metal or bad bluegrass music.

[KWSS1976]

CCI I know or hope you are just kidding, but I will post a link and you can listen go to the 16:25 mark and listen to this girl sing..

http://www.livestream.com/theassemblywm/video?clipId=pla_32a86dcb-d2de-48b6-8332-9053a6011881&utm_source=lslibrary&utm_medium=ui-thumb

[seekerman]

bad bluegrass music.

Is there such a thing?

[Praxeas]

I thought they were Nazarene. No matter, they sure have a powerful music ministry

Yes Ive heard some nazarenes do standards.

Also there was an AOG here whose Pastor was a licensed Nazarene minister

[Praxeas]

As far as music goes, man when we have music worship it will make the hair on the back of your neck stand up..
That bad? :heeheehee

[Praxeas]

I don't see how this is the same at all? The young lady being a bew convert made a committment to God why wouldn't God honor that and keep the virus from infecting her showing her He was partner in her committment. NOTHING here is being said about the power of hair but a promise given to the Lord. You don't think God honors committments we make to Him?God responds to faith.

The oroblem is people focus on the object and the method rather than the God and faith and use it to prop up this doctrine.

Muslims and Catholics often attribute a miracle they believe happened as proof their religion is True

[Praxeas]

Seems to me you folks just hate. And honestly Pentecost is better off with some folks not claiming to be Pentecost. Go and learn hat that means.:thumbsup
Look who is talking...

[Praxeas]

The largest Pentecostal organization in the world, the one which proceeded oneness Pentecostalism (circa 1913), teaches no such thing. Pentecostal doesn't mean 'woman don't cut your hair because it's a sin and you'll go to hell or die of a dreaded disease if you do'.

Time for you to learn what Pentecostal actually means....from the bible of course, not from your romanist legalistic system.
Thats the epitome of their arrogance to assume only they are Pentecostals

[Praxeas]

CCI I know or hope you are just kidding, but I will post a link and you can listen go to the 16:25 mark and listen to this girl sing..

http://www.livestream.com/theassemblywm/video?clipId=pla_32a86dcb-d2de-48b6-8332-9053a6011881&utm_source=lslibrary&utm_medium=ui-thumb

Oh he's serious...bluegrass yuck :-)

[CC1]

CCI I know or hope you are just kidding, but I will post a link and you can listen go to the 16:25 mark and listen to this girl sing..

http://www.livestream.com/theassemblywm/video?clipId=pla_32a86dcb-d2de-48b6-8332-9053a6011881&utm_source=lslibrary&utm_medium=ui-thumb

Of course I was just kidding! Just pointing out that music that makes your hair stand on end can be very bad music also. LOL!! There is good hair standing up and bad hair standing up.

[Sasha]

http://toddweber.wordpress.com/tag/cut-hair/

I'm not sure if you all realize that this girl supposedly wrote that article posted by the OP of this thread in 2009. The article in the link above...well, that girl didn't write the entire article she claims are HER beliefs and HER convictions and HER interpretations. SEVERAL statements she makes in that article are DIRECTLY taken from Ruth Reider's book, Power Before the Throne. She is a plagiarist at best and as such, her entire 'testimony' is a lie. I did a search on roughly half of that article and ALL of them go back to RR and her book. Word for word. Basically her 'interpretation' to explain her 'beliefs' is what is copied and pasted. Later in the article, she claims to have LATER heard RR and SURPRISE! They believed the same thing!!

[KWSS1976]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.Hair lady busted out.............

[Truthseeker]

I think if studied with an unbiased mind it's hard to come away with uncut hair doctrine. What was man pith of brother who stupidly sent Newman packing?

[Praxeas]

What was man pith of brother who stupidly sent Newman packing?
:huh:huh:huh:huh

[CC1]

:huh:huh:huh:huh

I agree. I am thinking perhaps he suffered a stroke while typing and that is why gibberish came out. Either that or he is a Democrat.:happydance

[Truthseeker]

:huh:huh:huh:huh

I don't blame you. I forget to check before posting on my phone and the auto correct thing messes me up. I meant what was the brother point that supposedly sent Newman packing

[Truthseeker]

I agree. I am thinking perhaps he suffered a stroke while typing and that is why gibberish came out. Either that or he is a Democrat.:happydance

:smack

[Barb]

I don't blame you. I forget to check before posting on my phone and the auto correct thing messes me up. I meant what was the brother point that supposedly sent Newman packing

'Supposedly' is the correct word. No one sent Newman packing...

[Truthseeker]

'Supposedly' is the correct word. No one sent Newman packing...

Do you know what was main point he used for the uncut hair doctrine?

[Barb]

Do you know what was main point he used for the uncut hair doctrine?

No, I really don't remember everything that was posted, but someone may have saved it.

[Pressing-On]

Do you know what was main point he used for the uncut hair doctrine?

He used a portion of Louw-Nida that stated, "It may be necessary to reach outside of the Greek to define long as uncut."

Prax probably has the exact quote.

Newman questioned why Paul would find it necessary to reach outside of the Greek when speaking to the Greek people.

That's pretty much how it ended, on an impasse.

[Steve Epley]

He used a portion of Louw-Nida that stated, "It may be necessary to reach outside of the Greek to define long as uncut."

Prax probably has the exact quote.

Newman questioned why Paul would find it necessary to reach outside of the Greek when speaking to the Greek people.

That's pretty much how it ended, on an impasse.

y'all are getting old agers disease.:nod

[Pressing-On]

y'all are getting old agers disease.:nod

:toofunny

If you die first, can we auction off your hat?! Proceeds will be by your choice. :heeheehee

[RandyWayne]

y'all are getting old agers disease.:nod

:toofunny

If you die first, can we auction off your hat?! Proceeds will be by your choice. :heeheehee


If you watch the last video on this thread, you'll see that in a few years you won't HAVE to grow old. You can upload your consciousness to a machine!

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=44354

[Pressing-On]

If you watch the last video on this thread, you'll see that in a few years you won't HAVE to grow old. You can upload your consciousness to a machine!

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=44354

I don't have 45 minutes to watch. :heeheehee

[Praxeas]

He used a portion of Louw-Nida that stated, "It may be necessary to reach outside of the Greek to define long as uncut."

Prax probably has the exact quote.

Newman questioned why Paul would find it necessary to reach outside of the Greek when speaking to the Greek people.

That's pretty much how it ended, on an impasse.Actually LN stated it may be necessary to translate the greek word as uncut in some languages or something like that

[CC1]

In reading some of the comments on the hair post at that FB page that this thread is about I found it interesting to see some posts by UPCer's I know.

In one instance a young woman proclaimed her strong belief in the RRH heresey only to have an older woman who attends her church post in reply that their revered deceased pastor's wife strongly believed in the uncut hair doctrine but never ever taught that it gave the special protection and powers that RRH teaches. it was nice to see an older woman stand up against this nonsense and do it in a kind but firm way.