Real tongues or fake tongues?

[Timmy]

This video shows two people speaking in tongues. Please watch it and decide (using common sense, discernment, or whatever method you would like) which is fake and which is real. Then vote. Both may be fake or both real, or course. The poll allows for all combinations. ;)

(It's like 25 seconds long. Don't say you don't have time! :lol)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvtW0m-OPQc

[NotforSale]

BOTH REAL!

:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny

[Timmy]

BTW, the person who posted the video on Youtube had an opinion on the matter. Might be best to watch the vid before reading it. You won't want it to influence your vote! :)

[Timmy]

27 views, 0 votes. Buncha scaredy cats! :lol

[Pressing-On]

27 views, 0 votes. Buncha scaredy cats! :lol

I don't have to view the video to be reminded that the magicians, to a point, were able to copy what Moses presented to Pharaoh. Of course, there is no triumph over God in the end, but we know angels (good or bad) are able to perform signs and miracles. II Thess 2:9

[Timmy]

I don't have to view the video to be reminded that the magicians, to a point, were able to copy what Moses presented to Pharaoh. Of course, there is no triumph over God in the end, but we know angels (good or bad) are able to perform signs and miracles. II Thess 2:9

Well, you could vote "I don't know/other". (Should have separated those two! :lol)

[houston]

It's a public poll. Whoops.

[Timmy]

It's a public poll. Whoops.

What would you have voted if you'd know it was public? :winkgrin

[houston]

What would you have voted if you'd know it was public? :winkgrin

Other

[renee819]

I believe that both were out of order, unless there was an interpretation to what the man was speaking.

1 Corinthians 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
:16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

Unknown Tongues in church, should only be for interpretation.

That doesn't mean stop, that means, pray until God sends the interpretation.

[Timmy]

Maybe I should have defined what I meant by "real": given by God, i.e. as the Spirit gave the utterance; supernatural (and not demonic); genuine and not fake.

Renee, would this perhaps have changed your answer? IOW, might they be genuine and yet out of order?

[houston]

I'm not sure why there is a need to define "real."

[renee819]

Renee, would this perhaps have changed your answer? IOW, might they be genuine and yet out of order?

Yes, If there had been a choice of "out of order" I really don't think that a person can fake tongues.

Like Pressing-on said, they could be Demonic, or,

"the gifts and callings of God are without repentance" Therefore, if a person backslides, they can still talk in tongues.

We don't know those people's lives, they could even be sincere, but sincerely wrong. That is why we are not to follow signs. But God says, to know them that work among you. YES, you have o judge.

[Timmy]

I'm not sure why there is a need to define "real."
This is why:

Yes, If there had been a choice of "out of order" I really don't think that a person can fake tongues.

Like Pressing-on said, they could be Demonic, or,

"the gifts and callings of God are without repentance" Therefore, if a person backslides, they can still talk in tongues.

We don't know those people's lives, they could even be sincere, but sincerely wrong. That is why we are not to follow signs. But God says, to know them that work among you. YES, you have o judge.

Uh. OK, so I should have had more choices. One or the other could have been real and from God, real but demonic, or fake. :thumbsup

So nobody can simply speak in what sounds like tongues, without any influence from God or demons? Is that what you believe?

[houston]

That is ridiculous. I have heard a woman say ba-na-na when she was speaking in tongues. The A's made the sound of A in the word "ball."

I have heard words that sounded like Tylenol and Selma Hayek.

Then there's the love for things Japanese (Honda and Yamaha).

[Timmy]

That is ridiculous. I have heard a woman say ba-na-na when she was speaking in tongues. The A's made the sound of A in the word "ball."

I have heard words that sounded like Tylenol and Selma Hayek.

Then there's the love for things Japanese (Honda and Yamaha).

There's no telling what those words mean in "Heavenly". :lol

[MarcBee]

I'm not sure why there is a need to define "real."

Actually, that's not a bad protocol for the majority of issues discussed here! :heeheehee

That is ridiculous. I have heard a woman say ba-na-na when she was speaking in tongues. The A's made the sound of A in the word "ball." I have heard words that sounded like Tylenol and Selma Hayek.
Then there's the love for things Japanese (Honda and Yamaha).

Any person having normal psychology and normal language ability can be coached (by a fervent-enough Pentecostal) to speak in tongues. (And according to one poster, this ability cannot be faked!)

To speak in tongues, "Ya Just Gotta Have The Want-To! "

Not about tongues, but the below links are about a message I now recall preached by the late UPC preacher Alan Oggs. MP3, and a book. But both concerning, "Ya Just Gotta Have the Want-to!"
(You're welcome, teeheehee.)

http://www.4shared.com/mp3/gkEZ1zcA/elder_allan_oggs_you_gotta_hav.htm

http://www.amazon.com/gotta-have-want-Allan-Oggs/dp/0849906113

[renee819]

That is ridiculous. I have heard a woman say ba-na-na when she was speaking in tongues. The A's made the sound of A in the word "ball."

I have heard words that sounded like Tylenol and Selma Hayek.

Then there's the love for things Japanese (Honda and Yamaha).

Houston, And then, did someone give the interpretation? I doubt it.

Yrs. ago, we were taught, when someone during the service speaks in tongues, (that would be Unknown tongues) then we would all bow our head, there was a holy hush over the service, and then someone would interpret. If there was no interpretation, I've heard the preacher say, "Something is wrong here."

Today, in Charismatic churches an even some Pentecostal, where they all talk in tongues at the same time, there could not be an interpretation.

Many are ignorant of what the Bible teaches, because the Pastors no longer teach all of the Truth.

Ignorance is not the same as faking tongues. When I went to a Charismatic church, yrs. ago, I too fell into their ignorance.

[houston]

SHA NANA NA! EBA YAYA YA!

There. Fake tongues.

[renee819]

SHA NANA NA! EBA YAYA YA!

There. Fake tongues.

I's easy to write something out like that. but an honest person, will not fake tongues. And if someone does, they are a hypocrite. But that does not mean that all tongues are faked. I personally never heard anyone speak in tongues, that I knew that they were faking.

In the end, (and He may be starting now) God will separate the WHEAT from the CHAFF.

[houston]

Now they can be faked. Make up your mind.

[renee819]

Now they can be faked. Make up your mind.

Renee wrote,
I personally never heard anyone speak in tongues, that I knew that they were faking.

You suspicion that they were faked. But do you know that for a fact?

[Timmy]

Renee wrote,


You suspicion that they were faked. But do you know that for a fact?

That wasn't his point. You said they can't be faked, then later you said that could be.

[houston]

That wasn't his point. You said they can't be faked, then later you said that could be.

Thank you.

[renee819]

Renee wrote,
I really don't think that a person can fake tongues.


Originally Posted by houston
SHA NANA NA! EBA YAYA YA!

There. Fake tongues.


I's easy to write something out like that. but an honest person, will not fake tongues. And if someone does, they are a hypocrite. But that does not mean that all tongues are faked. I personally never heard anyone speak in tongues, that I knew that they were faking.

You faked tongues in writing, but did you ever try to do it in speaking? Did it sound intelligent?

I tried it once when I was 11 yrs old, (not in a group) just to see what a foreign language would sound like. I couldn't make any intelligent sounds. And any language, whether foreign or unknown will have stops and starts, and different inflections, that you can tell it is a language. Unless you are sitting there, trying to pick the language apart, just because you don't understand it.

To me, Mexican sounds like gobbly-gook, but you can tell that they are speaking a real language by the starts and stops and inflexion of their voice.

I still don't believe that tongues are faked.

They are used many times in ignorance---like preachers on TV, while preaching, to try to prove how spiritual they are.
The church all speaking in unknown tongues, all at the same time.
Or a backslide person that God has given them in the past, the gift of unknown tongues. (God doesn't take His gifts back)
Or a demonic person, there to deceive.
Or IF a person has learned to imitate, they would have to practice, and practice to deceive. Which would be a hypocrite.

I still don't believe that people are faking tongues. But I could be wrong. If anyone on here has , please raise your hand

[kclee4jc]

tongues could be fakes by someone who does not have the Holy Ghost. But probably not by someone that does have the Holy Ghost.
I can't fake tongues.

[houston]

Tongues rarely sounds intelligent. Yes, I can fake tongues. Anyone can.

[houston]

Hey, white lady, I wasn't aware that MEXICAN was a language.

[Pressing-On]

Hey, white lady, I wasn't aware that MEXICAN was a language.

:toofunny Racist! :happydance

[houston]

:toofunny Racist! :happydance

Yes, she is!

[kclee4jc]

Hey, white lady, I wasn't aware that MEXICAN was a language.

hahahahahahaha:heeheehee

[Pressing-On]

Yes, she is!

I wuz talkin' to you! :smack

[houston]

I wuz talkin' to you! :smack

Only white people are racist. Haha

[Pressing-On]

Only white people are racist. Haha

Haahahhahahahaha! Well, going by your avatar - you are one ugly white dude. :heeheehee

[Praxeas]

I believe that both were out of order, unless there was an interpretation to what the man was speaking.

1 Corinthians 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
:16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

Unknown Tongues in church, should only be for interpretation.

That doesn't mean stop, that means, pray until God sends the interpretation.
How is he that has a tongue know whether or not there was someone present that can interpret

[houston]

http://theosophical.wordpress.com/2008/01/11/how-to-tell-the-difference-between-fake-and-authentic-tongues/

[renee819]

Hey, white lady, I wasn't aware that MEXICAN was a language.

OK, Spanish

[houston]

OK, Spanish

Lucky for you I will not be here after tonight.

[renee819]

How is he that has a tongue know whether or not there was someone present that can interpret

Sometimes you won't know. but if there is a person in the church that has the gift of interpretation, then those present will know.

I have seen a message come forth, and no one interpreted, then another person would bring a message, and then the interpretation came. I often wondered, if the second message brought more clarity.
But if a person speaks in tongues and no one interprets, and then another, and possibly another, then there shouldn't be anyone else, speaking in tongues.

Paul did say,
1 Corinthians 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

[Praxeas]

Sometimes you won't know. but if there is a person in the church that has the gift of interpretation, then those present will know.

I have seen a message come forth, and no one interpreted, then another person would bring a message, and then the interpretation came. I often wondered, if the second message brought more clarity.
But if a person speaks in tongues and no one interprets, and then another, and possibly another, then there shouldn't be anyone else, speaking in tongues.

Paul did say,
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How will they know that person has an interpretation? How are supposed to know that person even has that gift until its used the first time?

[renee819]

How will they know that person has an interpretation? How are supposed to know that person even has that gift until its used the first time?

If you are in your home church, it is usually the same person or person's that interpret each time. And if it is the first time, the gift will announce itself by interpreting what was said.

Seems to me, that people are not seeking the gifts, as Paul instructed. And sometimes, people are afraid to speak up. All of the gifts should be in each church. I believe that God gave the gifts to help guide the church.

One time a message came forth, and I thought I understood the first few words, but because I had never done that before and I didn't have the rest of the message, I didn't say anything. But when someone else brought the interpretation, it started out just like I had understood it.

[Praxeas]

If you are in your home church, it is usually the same person or person's that interpret each time. And if it is the first time, the gift will announce itself by interpreting what was said.

Seems to me, that people are not seeking the gifts, as Paul instructed. And sometimes, people are afraid to speak up. All of the gifts should be in each church. I believe that God gave the gifts to help guide the church.

One time a message came forth, and I thought I understoodthe first few words, but because I had never done that before and I didn't have the rest of the message, I didn't say anything. But when someone else brought the interpretation, it started out just like I had understood it.
You missed the point. How do you know that person in your home church has that gift? The only way is to interpret a tongue for the first time right? But if you dont know yet anyone has that gift you wont speak in tongues if they are following you interpretation of what Paul said.

Lets consider a new congregation and nobody knows if someone has that gift...they cant speak in tongues because they dont know. They wont know because in your view they cant speak in tongues unless they know beforehand

[renee819]

You missed the point. How do you know that person in your home church has that gift? The only way is to interpret a tongue for the first time right? But if you dont know yet anyone has that gift you wont speak in tongues if they are following you interpretation of what Paul said.

Lets consider a new congregation and nobody knows if someone has that gift...they cant speak in tongues because they dont know. They wont know because in your view they cant speak in tongues unless they know beforehand

Praxeas, have you never been in a service like that?

If a person feels led to speak out in tongues, they should do so. You've got to speak before you know if there is an interpreter there or not.. There is a holy hush that comes over the audience. everybody bows their head and prays that someone will bring forth the interpretation. And sometimes there is no interpretation. And that is the end of it.

I believe that is also in the right order according to Paul. They have to speak first.
1 Corinthians 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

But after one to three have spoken, wait for the Interpretation.

:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

After that, if there is no interpretation, then there isn't to be any more speaking in tongues, in that service.

Some of you old timers chime in. Am I telling it right?

[Praxeas]

Praxeas, have you never been in a service like that?

If a person feels led to speak out in tongues, they should do so. You've got to speak before you know if there is an interpreter there or not.. There is a holy hush that comes over the audience. everybody bows their head and prays that someone will bring forth the interpretation. And sometimes there is no interpretation. And that is the end of it.

I believe that is also in the right order according to Paul. They have to speak first.
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But after one to three have spoken, wait for the Interpretation.

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After that, if there is no interpretation, then there isn't to be any more speaking in tongues, in that service.

Some of you old timers chime in. Am I telling it right?
You aren't understanding what the point is.

If they aren't supposed to speak in tongues unless there is an interpreter...then HOW will they know there IS an Interpreter until they DO speak in tongues to find out someone has that gift?

So the fact is, you just contradicted what you said earlier

I believe that both were out of order, unless there was an interpretation to what the man was speaking.

The fact is it only becomes "out of order" after 2 or 3 tongues and nobody has interpreted.

Just because no interpretation comes after the both of them does not mean it was out of order. Get it? :thumbsup

[renee819]

Praxeas, I do believe that I am understanding you, but evidently you are not understanding me.

Originally Posted by renee819
Praxeas, have you never been in a service like that?

If a person feels led to speak out in tongues, they should do so. You've got to speak before you know if there is an interpreter there or not.. There is a holy hush that comes over the audience. everybody bows their head and prays that someone will bring forth the interpretation. And sometimes there is no interpretation. And that is the end of it.

I believe that is also in the right order according to Paul. They have to speak first.
But after one to three have spoken, wait for the Interpretation.
After that, if there is no interpretation, then there isn't to be any more speaking in tongues, in that service.

Praxeas wrote
You aren't understanding what the point is.

If they aren't supposed to speak in tongues unless there is an interpreter...then HOW will they know there IS an Interpreter until they DO speak in tongues to find out someone has that gift?

So the fact is, you just contradicted what you said earlier

Renee wrote
I believe that both were out of order, unless there was an interpretation to what the man was speaking.


Praveas wrote
The fact is it only becomes "out of order" after 2 or 3 tongues and nobody has interpreted.

Just because no interpretation comes after the both of them does not mean it was out of order. Get it?

This is where the problem is. There is no contradiction. The two that were out of order.

The man was preaching, he didn't speak in tongues as a message from God. If so then after he spoke in tongues then he should have waited for an interpretation. But it was for show.

The lady was praying for a persons healing. Paul says, if you pray or bless someone in tongues, how can a person in the room bless it, not knowing what you prayed.
Was she bringing a message in tongues to be interpreted? No.
I believe that Paul is teaching them, the only time that speaking in Unknown Tongues in church is appropriate, is when God is sending a message to be interpreted.

1 Corinthians 14:16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
:17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

Now back to the chicken and the egg, which comes first.

If you know the people in the church, you will know if there is anyone there that has the gift of interpretation. It is a gift just as the gift of divers/unknown tongues is a gift. But if God inspires you to speak out, then usually there is someone there that can interpret. like the example above that I felt that I had the interpretation but I didn't speak out. The lady that brought the interpretation had never done that before.

Praveas wrote
The fact is it only becomes "out of order" after 2 or 3 tongues and nobody has interpreted.

Just because no interpretation comes after the both of them does not mean it was out of order. Get it?

Right! If they had been bringing forth a message to be interpreted. Where they? NO! Did they wait for an interpretation? NO!
A person that has the gift of tongues, can speak in tongues anytime that they want to, or they can refrain. You could tell, as I've seen many do, they were speaking for show. Not bringing forth any kind of message to be interpreted.

I've done it myself, in my ignorance, before that I did some deeper studies.

I was in a large church, and gave my testimony of being healed of Myasthenia Gravis. After which, I was asked to pray for a blind boy. I said a few words in English and then in my ignorance, the most of my prayer was in tongues.
I wish I could do that all over again. I would not today pray in tongues.

[Pressing-On]

If you know the people in the church, you will know if there is anyone there that has the gift of interpretation.

I believe, from experience, that when you are used in this gift, you don't have to know, beforehand, whether there is anyone present to interpret. I don't believe that is what the scripture is referencing here.

In that I mean, when you are used in this gift, you "know" before you speak out, that God is moving on you to give tongues and you "know" an interpretation will follow. It is with the Spirit you recognize what is about to take place, yield to it and speak out. Therefore, yielding to God's Spirit, you trust that He will move on a person to bring the interpretation. I don't bring the tongues on my own volition and I also don't bring the interpretation of my own volition. I don't have to stand there reflecting whether I personally know someone who has ever been used in that gift to be present.

I have been in a congregation where I knew no one, and tongues and interpretation came forth.

Also, the instruction in I Cor 14:13 says, "Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret."

That could be a person's first time and first service (which I have also experienced) to ever be used in this way, because they prayed for it. As we can see, it is imperative to be sensitive to the moving of the Spirit.

I have also experienced tongues going forth and the person who had the interpretation admitting being afraid to give the interpretation and therefore, quenched the Spirit. Therefore, no interpretation followed.

I have also experienced God using someone else to give the interpretation when someone else was afraid to yield to it.

[Pressing-On]

A person that has the gift of tongues, can speak in tongues anytime that they want to, or they can refrain. You could tell, as I've seen many do, they were speaking for show. Not bringing forth any kind of message to be interpreted.

I've done it myself, in my ignorance, before that I did some deeper studies.

I was in a large church, and gave my testimony of being healed of Myasthenia Gravis. After which, I was asked to pray for a blind boy. I said a few words in English and then in my ignorance, the most of my prayer was in tongues.
I wish I could do that all over again. I would not today pray in tongues.

Why not? The Spirit helps our infirmities, for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: the Spirit itself making intercession. He that searches the hearts knows the mind of the Spirit because he makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God. - Romans 8:26-27

[renee819]

I believe, from experience, that when you are used in this gift, you don't have to know, beforehand, whether there is anyone present to interpret. I don't believe that is what the scripture is referencing here.

In that I mean, when you are used in this gift, you "know" before you speak out, that God is moving on you to give tongues and you "know" an interpretation will follow. It is with the Spirit you recognize what is about to take place, yield to it and speak out. Therefore, yielding to God's Spirit, you trust that He will move on a person to bring the interpretation. I don't bring the tongues on my own volition and I also don't bring the interpretation of my own volition. I don't have to stand there reflecting whether I personally know someone who has ever been used in that gift to be present.

I have been in a congregation where I knew no one, and tongues and interpretation came forth.

Also, the instruction in I Cor 14:13 says, "Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret."

That could be a person's first time and first service (which I have also experienced) to ever be used in this way, because they prayed for it. As we can see, it is imperative to be sensitive to the moving of the Spirit.

I have also experienced tongues going forth and the person who had the interpretation admitting being afraid to give the interpretation and therefore, quenched the Spirit. Therefore, no interpretation followed.

I have also experienced God using someone else to give the interpretation when someone else was afraid to yield to it.

Right! Pressing On, You explained it better than I did.

THANK YOU!!!

[renee819]

Why not? The Spirit helps our infirmities, for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: the Spirit itself making intercession. He that searches the hearts knows the mind of the Spirit because he makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God. - Romans 8:26-27

Because tongues is not a holier than thou gift to be paraded. You make a good point, but I believe that according to Paul's instructions, that is not the time to be praying in tongues, out loud.
I haven't been active in church for quiet some time, and I know that if I was praying for someone, I would find it hard not to pray in tongues. And yet, I would remind myself, “that's not the time to be praying in tongues.”

1 Corinthians 14:5 ... except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
:6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
:11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
:16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
:17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

No way would I ever forbid to speak in tongues, except when it is out of order.
I think we need more of it. But it needs to be done right, with the interpretation. Since the gifts were given to edify the church, how is the church going to be edified if no one uses their gifts.

Do you have the gift of interpretation? Can you give me and others some instructions on it.

When I didn't speak out and I told the one that did interpret, she said if I had interpreted the words that I was given, more would have been given to me.

[Timmy]

I was in a large church, and gave my testimony of being healed of Myasthenia Gravis. After which, I was asked to pray for a blind boy. I said a few words in English and then in my ignorance, the most of my prayer was in tongues.
I wish I could do that all over again. I would not today pray in tongues.

Was he healed?

[Pressing-On]

Because tongues is not a holier than thou gift to be paraded.
Certainly, but I think that we know, ourselves, whether we are acting hoiler than thou with it. And we can't help if others don't care if they are or not.

You make a good point, but I believe that according to Paul's instructions, that is not the time to be praying in tongues, out loud.
I believe you and I agree that we view the scripture differently.

I, again, see Paul instructing, in I Cor 14:5 "I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied:"

And, again, "rather" is defined in the Greek as, "in a greater degree".

Because the definition is saying, and it does means "greater", I couldn't, in good conscience, form a doctrine or teaching to "never" speak out loud in tongues during a congregational setting unless there is an interpretation.

Of course, to clarify, I don't mean to speak in that louder, certain sound we are familiar with that does warrant an interpretation.

"Greater" cannot, at any time, mean "never", it can only mean, "to a larger degree."

I also think you and I will agree that many churches do speak in tongues more than they prophesy, and that is a shame the passage is not taught correctly.

In my experience, most of the "older" people, mostly women, have taught us that we shouldn't prophesy too much as it would become mundane, God doesn't want us to do that, it wouldn't feel special, etc., yada, yada, yada.

But, this is incorrect teaching. And it is also my experience that you can't show them in the Word. They don't want it and they don't want to be corrected by it.

I haven't been active in church for quiet some time, and I know that if I was praying for someone, I would find it hard not to pray in tongues. And yet, I would remind myself, “that's not the time to be praying in tongues.”
I believe that, for me, being away from the church body would not be healthy for my spiritual life. When you are in a church body, you must always seek to be more humble among those you do not agree with, and it gives you a necessary barometer to make self correction through the avenue of the five-fold ministry.

No way would I ever forbid to speak in tongues, except when it is out of order.
I think we need more of it. But it needs to be done right, with the interpretation. Since the gifts were given to edify the church, how is the church going to be edified if no one uses their gifts.
I think I shared my views on this, above. We did have a man, in our congregation, who would spout out very loudly in tongues, there was no interpretation and you could feel there would not be, although, others may have thought it would come. I prayed God would remove this man from our assembly and he is now gone - thought the music was too loud. LOL! Whatever, bye-bye. LOL!

Do you have the gift of interpretation? Can you give me and others some instructions on it.
Yes, I am used in both tongues and interpretation. What advice? I will share a story that only ties in with simply following after God's Spirit and who we are in this realm.

A lesson I learned early - Some years ago a woman was praying at the altar. I could sense she was struggling. I stayed where I was and prayed for her. Then I felt that God wanted me to speak in her ear. I told her what God wanted her to know and after I stepped away, the Spirit of God moved over her, and she was strengthened by His Spirit.

When I stepped away, God spoke this to my heart - "...rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your name is written in heaven." From Luke 10:20

The short of it is, we are instruments of HIS peace, we are not our own, but bought with a price. If we can remember the words Jesus spoke in Luke, we will be all right. We are only messengers and nothing to be exploited.

Sometimes, again from my experience, upon being used in the gifts people can make a big deal about it and try to make you a rock star, which the Disciples experienced. It can be very annoying at times, because while wanting to follow carefully after His Spirit in all things, people want to push you into action or for immediate answers. They want everyone healed, everyone blessed, etc. God is not quick about everything and we must wait on His timing. I want to be used in the gifts, it is the beauty of the NT church, but it can also be a burden.

And from experience, you can also become a huge failure deviating from your commitment to that calling. If you become tired, lowering your hands in personal devotion, Bible reading and worship, you can reach out for the things of this world to comfort you in your pain. God is the only one that can heal us and strengthen us. So I think the scripture is true, "Too much is given, much is required" and we just need to keep fighting the good fight of faith, laying hold on eternal life - God help us all.


When I didn't speak out and I told the one that did interpret, she said if I had interpreted the words that I was given, more would have been given to me.
We are always learning and given another opportunity. I went through a very horrible spiritual trial (as a new convert), and I felt alone. I remember sitting on the floor by the window in my apartment and I looked out, saw the wind blowing the leaves in the tree, and said to God, (knowing He was our Creator and created everything- including the wind), "I know you are real! I can see the wind blowing. You have to help me." I can't share more because He told me never to speak of it again. But, in short, it took me a couple of years to lift my hands in church, I was that afraid.

Then one day, at a Ladies Prayer meeting, the woman in charge began to pray for me. She spoke these words over me, "I am the Lord thy God that led thee out of Egypt. I will deliver you now if you will fully yield yourself to me. I will give you strength to throw off the oppressor."

I still get tears in my eyes when I share that. I was delivered of my fear that day. I was never afraid to pray, to lift my hands in worship, to be used in the gifts. So, if you think I am very passionate about how I feel - I am, because today I am not afraid anymore. I know my Redeemer lives and He is ever mindful of my needs. God is altogether lovely...

I shared that because of what you wrote last. I attended a Home Missions work that desperately wanted to hear from God and I quenched the Spirit because I was still living in horrible fear. I wouldn't bring forth the interpretation. God didn't use someone else that morning. But, after I was delivered of my fear, He did use me again. And it so happened, I revisited that same church some time after and was given another chance. That time, I wasn't afraid and brought forth the interpretation. God is good.

[renee819]

Originally Posted by renee819
I was in a large church, and gave my testimony of being healed of Myasthenia Gravis. After which, I was asked to pray for a blind boy. I said a few words in English and then in my ignorance, the most of my prayer was in tongues.
I wish I could do that all over again. I would not today pray in tongues.

Timmy asked,
Was he healed?

Not that I know of. I never saw him after that.

[Praxeas]

The man was preaching, he didn't speak in tongues as a message from God. If so then after he spoke in tongues then he should have waited for an interpretation. But it was for show.

But if he DID wait and there was no interpretation, was he out of order for speaking in tongues?

The lady was praying for a persons healing. Paul says, if you pray or bless someone in tongues, how can a person in the room bless it, not knowing what you prayed.
That does not mean you can't pray in tongues. In fact Paul said

1Co 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful.
1Co 14:15 What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also.

You see? Paul does both.

Was she bringing a message in tongues to be interpreted? No.
I believe that Paul is teaching them, the only time that speaking in Unknown Tongues in church is appropriate, is when God is sending a message to be interpreted.
If that is true wouldn't there always be an interpretation? If that is true would Paul speak of praying or singing in tongues?

If that were true where in Acts is someone giving an Interpretation by the Gift of Interpretation.

What was "out of order" was in a service "messages in tongues" were occurring and they were all giving them and nobody was interpreting

Now back to the chicken and the egg, which comes first.

If you know the people in the church, you will know if there is anyone there that has the gift of interpretation.
You never know when God might give someone the gift until you give a message in tongues and they interpret. That is the point, you can know them all you want but until the give an interpretation the first time you just don't know they have that gift.

So consider a church that just begins in a city and they have 8 people. They don't know yet who has that gift until an actual message comes forth.


It is a gift just as the gift of divers/unknown tongues is a gift. But if God inspires you to speak out, then usually there is someone there that can interpret. like the example above that I felt that I had the interpretation but I didn't speak out. The lady that brought the interpretation had never done that before.
If that is true then there would be no reason for Paul to tell them to keep silent if there is no interpreter. There would be no reason to tell them to pray FOR that gift

Right! If they had been bringing forth a message to be interpreted. Where they? NO! Did they wait for an interpretation? NO!
Im not talking about the video. Im talking about a general service.

Second you are admitting it wasn't a message in tongues, so the video is irrelevant

The point is Paul is regulating the gift of tongues for church edification. He is saying to speak at most 3 and if there is no interpretation by then keep quiet (speak in tongues to yourself)

[renee819]

Prazaes, I no longer know what our discussion is about! We agree on most things, but you keep pushing the point that I think that we have to know if there is an interpreter or not before we can speak. When that isn't what I meant. We have to speak first. If we know that someone in the audience has the gift of interpretation, then you know that it will be interpreted. If you don't know, then the church prays that someone will be given the interpretation. And I have seen God use someone the first time.

Originally Posted by renee819
The man was preaching, he didn't speak in tongues as a message from God. If so then after he spoke in tongues then he should have waited for an interpretation. But it was for show.

Praxaes wrote
But if he DID wait and there was no interpretation, was he out of order for speaking in tongues?

NO! He had to speak first. It was left up to God and people being obedient to follow through.

Renee wrote,
The lady was praying for a persons healing. Paul says, if you pray or bless someone in tongues, how can a person in the room bless it, not knowing what you prayed.

Praxes wrote,
That does not mean you can't pray in tongues. In fact Paul said

1Co 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful.
1Co 14:15 What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also.

You see? Paul does both.

You have got to put that whole passage in context.
1 Cor. 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
:16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
:17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

So where did Paul pray in tongues and sing in tongues? Seeing that he said, “Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.”
If he spoke in tongues more than all of them, and he insists that it be interpreted, then if he spoke all of those tongues in church, then there was a lot of interpreting going on. Or else he was praying and singing in tongues at home.
I could be wrong, but I believe if people are speaking in tongues and there is no interpretation, they are just “speaking into the air.”
1 Corinthians 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

I would love to be wrong. Because it is easier to pray in tongues, (you don't even have to think, and the Spirit is praying the perfect prayer, because many times we don't know what to pray for)

But in English, you have to think. And I never was good at praying pretty prayers. And at times I have been prayed for, when the prayer itself blessed me, whether I received what we were praying for or not.
So when I pray, I flat out ask God to do what is needed, which turns out o be a short prayer. But I notice, that is also the way Jesus prayed as well as the apostles. Except for the Lords prayer.