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Originalist
09-19-2013, 08:03 AM
1) Dig out some of the more powerful songs from 20-30 years ago. There is a whole generations of new believers who never heard them and will be blessed by them.
2) Allow the more meaningful classic hymns to be sung. Comon', you know how people react on the rare occassions they are sung. Don't deny it.
3.) Learn to lead worship with just a couple of background singers instead of these 10-20 member "praise teams". Place them in the background. With a large group leading worship, people get confused and don't know if the song being sung is congregational or a special number, especially when there are "solo parts" every song. Things get too blurred. During the congregational singing, use songs that are more condusive for that type of singing. Draw a clear distinction between the time for congregational singing and the time for special singing.
I'm sure others have points they'd like to add.
Esaias
09-19-2013, 08:59 AM
1. Eliminate the choir and 'band'. Return to whole congregational singing.
2. Make sure the songs are Biblically correct.
3. Sing the Psalms. They are the only truly divinely inspired songs. They were given us by God for a reason.
4. Teach on the purpose of singing in the new covenant church. It is not for entertainment, it is not 'to usher in the presence of God' or to 'usher YOU into the presence of God' but Scripturally it is to 'teach and admonish one another' as well as a means of offering praise, thanksgiving etc to God (which serves to teach one another as well, by the way...)
5. Make prayer the primary part of the 'worship service' rather than music. It isn't a concert, the assemblying of the saints is not meant to be a spectator sport, and prayer is far more beneficial to the life of the church than music or entertainment. It keeps things in perspective.
RandyWayne
09-19-2013, 09:15 AM
-If the song appears on three or more "Praise Volume I - IV" style compilation CD's, nix it!
-No tambourines! No really, none. If someone brings one out unannounced, every male member of the congregation should have permission to gang up and boot the person out. Male OR female. The ONLY "free zone" of any kind allowed in this world is a picture of a red circle with a line going through it and a tambourine in the middle of it.
-"No no no no no no no no no no no no, God's not dead" is NOT a funny song (people apparently find it hilarious singing all the "no's") nor is it particularly clever.
-"In the Garden of Eden" is NOT a real hymn, although it is funny when the organist hits the 15 minute solo part.
Esaias
09-19-2013, 09:16 AM
What's wrong with tambourines?
RandyWayne
09-19-2013, 09:20 AM
"If you can dodge a tambourine, you can dodge a ball!
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Jermyn Davidson
09-19-2013, 09:27 AM
Encourage platform participants to pray for about an hour before each service.
Encourage the church to pray for about an hour before each service.
Reinstate the choir, allowing more members the opportunity to contribute and become a "part" of the church.
If the church is too small for a choir, then let their be a lively praise team for every service. People don't need to feel like one service is more lively than the other, encouraging the idea that, "as long as I make the good service..."
On weeknights, allow more time for a deeper worship experience.
The use of older hymns with modern music usually goes a long way in engaging the congregation.
Consider holding a worship service at a time that is different from most surrounding places of worship, i.e. Saturday nights. This will allow people who may not be able to make a traditional service time to still participate in a worship service.
Originalist
09-19-2013, 09:40 AM
http://churchformen.com/how-were-off-the-mark/why-men-have-stopped-singing-in-church/
Why men have stopped singing in church
It happened again yesterday. I attended one of those hip, contemporary churches — and almost no one sang. Worshippers stood obediently as the band rocked out, the smoke machine belched and lights flashed. Lyrics were projected on the screen, but almost no one sang them. A few women were trying, but I saw only one male (other than the worship leader) making the attempt.
Last month I blogged, “Have Christians Stopped Singing?” I did some research, and learned that congregational singing has ebbed and flowed over the centuries. It reached a high tide when I was a young man – but that tide may be going out again. And that could be bad news for men.
First, a very quick history of congregational singing.
Before the Reformation, laypersons were not allowed to sing in church. Sacred music was performed by professionals (priests and cantors), played on complex instruments (pipe organs), and sung in an obscure language (Latin).
Reformers gave worship back to the people, in the form of congregational singing. They composed simple tunes with lyrics that people could easily memorize. Some of the tunes came out of local taverns.
A technological advance – the printing press – led to an explosion of congregational singing. The first hymnal was printed in 1532, and soon a few dozen hymns became standards across Christendom. Hymnals slowly grew over the next four centuries. By the mid 20th century every Protestant church had a hymnal of about 1000 songs, 250 of which were regularly sung. In the church of my youth, everyone picked up a hymnal and sang every verse of every song.
About a decade ago, a new technological advance – the computer controlled projection screen – entered America’s sanctuaries. Suddenly churches could project song lyrics for all to see. Hymnals became obsolete. No longer were Christians limited to 1,000 songs handed down by our elders.
At first, churches simply projected the songs everyone knew – hymns and a few simple praise songs that had come out of the Jesus Movement. People sang robustly.
But that began to change about three years ago. Worship leaders brought in new songs each week. They drew from the radio, the Internet, and Worship conferences. Some began composing their own songs, performing them during worship, and selling them on CD after church.
Years ago, worship leaders used to prepare their flocks when introducing a new song. “We’re going to do a new song for you now. We’ll go through it twice, and then we invite you to join in.”
That kind of coaching is rare today. Songs get switched out so frequently today that it’s impossible to learn them. People can’t sing songs they’ve never heard. And with no musical notes to follow, how is a person supposed to pick up the tune?
And so the church has returned to the 14th century. Worshippers stand mute as professional-caliber musicians play complex instruments, and sing in an obscure language. Martin Luther is turning over in his grave.
What does this mean for men? On the positive side, men no longer feel pressure to sing in church. Men who are poor readers or poor singers no longer have to fumble through hymnals, sing archaic lyrics or read a musical staff.
But the negatives are huge. Men are doers, and singing was one of the things we used to do together in church. It was a chance to participate. Now, with congregational singing going away, and communion no longer a weekly ordinance, there’s only one avenue left for men to participate in the service – the offering. Is this really the message we want to send to men? Sit there, be quiet, and enjoy the show. And don’t forget to give us money.
There’s nothing wrong with professionalism and quality in church music.The problem isn’t the rock band, or the lights, or the smoke machine. The key here is familiarity. When that super-hip band performed a hymn, the crowd responded. People sang. Even the men.
Originalist
09-19-2013, 09:47 AM
-If the song appears on three or more "Praise Volume I - IV" style compilation CD's, nix it!
-No tambourines! No really, none. If someone brings one out unannounced, every male member of the congregation should have permission to gang up and boot the person out. Male OR female. The ONLY "free zone" of any kind allowed in this world is a picture of a red circle with a line going through it and a tambourine in the middle of it.
-"No no no no no no no no no no no no, God's not dead" is NOT a funny song (people apparently find it hilarious singing all the "no's") nor is it particularly clever.
-"In the Garden of Eden" is NOT a real hymn, although it is funny when the organist hits the 15 minute solo part.
This post made my day. Thanks!!:happydance
RandyWayne
09-19-2013, 09:49 AM
There’s nothing wrong with professionalism and quality in church music.The problem isn’t the rock band, or the lights, or the smoke machine. The key here is familiarity. When that super-hip band performed a hymn, the crowd responded. People sang. Even the men.
From a pure talent perspective, I remember the men being MUCH better singers in our church. All (OK, most) of the women sang in a sort of sickly false opera style which was apparently how they were supposed to.
Esaias
09-19-2013, 09:51 AM
http://churchformen.com/how-were-off-the-mark/why-men-have-stopped-singing-in-church/
Why men have stopped singing in church
It happened again yesterday. I attended one of those hip, contemporary churches — and almost no one sang. Worshippers stood obediently as the band rocked out, the smoke machine belched and lights flashed. Lyrics were projected on the screen, but almost no one sang them. A few women were trying, but I saw only one male (other than the worship leader) making the attempt.
Last month I blogged, “Have Christians Stopped Singing?” I did some research, and learned that congregational singing has ebbed and flowed over the centuries. It reached a high tide when I was a young man – but that tide may be going out again. And that could be bad news for men.
First, a very quick history of congregational singing.
Before the Reformation, laypersons were not allowed to sing in church. Sacred music was performed by professionals (priests and cantors), played on complex instruments (pipe organs), and sung in an obscure language (Latin).
Reformers gave worship back to the people, in the form of congregational singing. They composed simple tunes with lyrics that people could easily memorize. Some of the tunes came out of local taverns.
A technological advance – the printing press – led to an explosion of congregational singing. The first hymnal was printed in 1532, and soon a few dozen hymns became standards across Christendom. Hymnals slowly grew over the next four centuries. By the mid 20th century every Protestant church had a hymnal of about 1000 songs, 250 of which were regularly sung. In the church of my youth, everyone picked up a hymnal and sang every verse of every song.
About a decade ago, a new technological advance – the computer controlled projection screen – entered America’s sanctuaries. Suddenly churches could project song lyrics for all to see. Hymnals became obsolete. No longer were Christians limited to 1,000 songs handed down by our elders.
At first, churches simply projected the songs everyone knew – hymns and a few simple praise songs that had come out of the Jesus Movement. People sang robustly.
But that began to change about three years ago. Worship leaders brought in new songs each week. They drew from the radio, the Internet, and Worship conferences. Some began composing their own songs, performing them during worship, and selling them on CD after church.
Years ago, worship leaders used to prepare their flocks when introducing a new song. “We’re going to do a new song for you now. We’ll go through it twice, and then we invite you to join in.”
That kind of coaching is rare today. Songs get switched out so frequently today that it’s impossible to learn them. People can’t sing songs they’ve never heard. And with no musical notes to follow, how is a person supposed to pick up the tune?
And so the church has returned to the 14th century. Worshippers stand mute as professional-caliber musicians play complex instruments, and sing in an obscure language. Martin Luther is turning over in his grave.
What does this mean for men? On the positive side, men no longer feel pressure to sing in church. Men who are poor readers or poor singers no longer have to fumble through hymnals, sing archaic lyrics or read a musical staff.
But the negatives are huge. Men are doers, and singing was one of the things we used to do together in church. It was a chance to participate. Now, with congregational singing going away, and communion no longer a weekly ordinance, there’s only one avenue left for men to participate in the service – the offering. Is this really the message we want to send to men? Sit there, be quiet, and enjoy the show. And don’t forget to give us money.
There’s nothing wrong with professionalism and quality in church music.The problem isn’t the rock band, or the lights, or the smoke machine. The key here is familiarity. When that super-hip band performed a hymn, the crowd responded. People sang. Even the men.
:yourock:thumbsup:highfive
RandyWayne
09-19-2013, 10:10 AM
As I think about this more I remember in my day (the 80's) "church" music and Christian contemporary styles were very different as well as serving different purposes. Music sung in service WAS much simpler -while music playing on the radio (Christian contemporary/rock) was significantly different (better) than it is now. We would sing <name the title of the hymn> during service then would listen to something from DeGarmo & Key and Petra in the car.
Starting sometime in the mid 90's church music moved toward a more contemporary sound -while popular music heard on the radio started sounding more like belonged in church. The result is that today's song service sounds like a boring song on the radio and a typical Christian radio station sounds like a boring song service.
RandyWayne
09-19-2013, 10:24 AM
From a pure talent perspective, I remember the men being MUCH better singers in our church. All (OK, most) of the women sang in a sort of sickly false opera style which was apparently how they were supposed to.
And speaking of singing men. . . .
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ZdolUqxTGQ4/TPPcR9yfLqI/AAAAAAAAAEw/-_wm0h1xVb8/s1600/barbershop_quartet_walking_right.jpg
And speaking of singing men. . . .
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"Just like the Bible..."
"Just like the Bible..."
*kicks record player*
"Just like the Bible saaaaaaid."
houston
09-19-2013, 01:50 PM
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RandyWayne
09-19-2013, 02:02 PM
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09-19-2013, 02:25 PM
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Ha ha !! Here's the one I REALLY love....
I command you Satan in the name of the Lord to take up your weapons and flee. For the Lord has given me authority to walk all over thee!
Why I was reading just the other day where the bible says to "sing unto Satan a new song".
:throwrock
Originalist
09-19-2013, 02:27 PM
"Just like the Bible..."
"Just like the Bible..."
*kicks record player*
"Just like the Bible saaaaaaid."
"Oh we're the boys of the praise team, we hope you like our show. We know you're rooting for us, but now we have to go!!'"
RandyWayne
09-19-2013, 02:31 PM
"Oh we're the boys of the praise team, we hope you like our show. We know you're rooting for us, but now we have to go!!'"
http://comedyforanimators.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Chorus.jpg
houston
09-19-2013, 02:45 PM
Now repeat 14 times.
Lol
houston
09-19-2013, 02:50 PM
Ha ha !! Here's the one I REALLY love....
Why I was reading just the other day where the bible says to "sing unto Satan a new song".
:throwrock
My my my...
I have never heard that song.
Michael The Disciple
09-19-2013, 03:12 PM
As I think about this more I remember in my day (the 80's) "church" music and Christian contemporary styles were very different as well as serving different purposes. Music sung in service WAS much simpler -while music playing on the radio (Christian contemporary/rock) was significantly different (better) than it is now. We would sing <name the title of the hymn> during service then would listen to something from DeGarmo & Key and Petra in the car.
Starting sometime in the mid 90's church music moved toward a more contemporary sound -while popular music heard on the radio started sounding more like belonged in church. The result is that today's song service sounds like a boring song on the radio and a typical Christian radio station sounds like a boring song service.
So true.
tennman
09-19-2013, 08:53 PM
a tip for services, each individual be prayed up and ready and having studied their bible.any kind of Christian music can draw in people who would not come otherwise. old doesn't make music good nor does new stuff mean it is good because it is new style. personally I like churches with good music , it seems to help in get our minds away from our daily work, bills ,pressures and lead us into worshipping and praising Jesus and the right mindset to listen to teaching and preaching.
Originalist
09-20-2013, 05:08 AM
And after a couple of times singing a new song, you know it. Oh, sing a new song!![/quote]
I love new songs.
I don't like worship songs that have a bunch of solos.
What's the point?
People need to sing.[/quote]
Amen. This really hit home with me about 12 years ago when the "praise team" fad really began to crank up. As a congregational song, we were singing the chorus to that old hymn.....
Leave it there, leave it there,
Take your burden to the Lord and leave it there.
If you trust and never doubt, He will surely bring you out.
Take your burden to the Lord and leave it there.
I was on the praise team that service, singing tenor.
Notice the emboldened line. It was being sung as a congregational worship chorus, right? So I sang that line like all the others. The music director gave me a horrified look. Then one of the other singers whispered in my ear....
That line is a solo part for Sister Becky Sue. The rest of are to remain silent on that one line.
It was a congregational song, for crying out loud!! Why didn't they announce to the congregation as well to be silent on that line??!! That is when I knew that a new, dark day was upon us all. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Originalist
09-20-2013, 05:11 AM
About 12 years ago when the "praise team" fad really began to crank up.
I was on the praise team one service, singing tenor. As a congregational song, we were singing the chorus to that old hymn.....
Leave it there, leave it there,
Take your burden to the Lord and leave it there.
If you trust and never doubt, He will surely bring you out.
Take your burden to the Lord and leave it there.
Notice the emboldened line. It was being sung as a congregational worship chorus, right? So I sang that line like all the others. The music director gave me a horrified look. Then one of the other singers whispered in my ear....
That line is a solo part for Sister Becky Sue. The rest of are to remain silent on that one line.
It was a congregational song, for crying out loud!! Why didn't they announce to the congregation as well to be silent on that line??!! That is when I knew that a new, dark day was upon us all.
MarieA27
09-20-2013, 07:05 AM
Leave it there, leave it there,
Take your burden to the Lord and leave it there.
If you trust and never doubt, He will surely bring you out.
Take your burden to the Lord and leave it there.
I really love that song. Really has brought me through some tough times...
Nitehawk013
09-20-2013, 10:06 AM
Ha ha !! Here's the one I REALLY love....
Why I was reading just the other day where the bible says to "sing unto Satan a new song".
:throwrock
I get a wierd feeling any time we sings songs like that or have to hear a preacher talk about how we "confuse the devil" by praising the Lord in our storms, or prasing loudly "tears the air and breaks Satan's authority" or any number of other IMO unsubstantiated claims. Where is the Bible for these statements?
I have a hard time believing we "confuse" the devil, scare the devil, etc. Should we walk around in fear of the devil? Not at all...but I also don't think making untrue claism about him, lying about him, or intentionally picking a fight with an angel with thousands of years of experience at messing up saints is a very wise decision either.
Esaias
09-20-2013, 12:16 PM
Some more suggestions:
1. Eliminate the New Years Day 'communion service' in favor of a true Lord's Supper (one loaf, one cup). For those too squeamish to drink out of the same cup their brethren drink from, you can at least have one cup and pour the contents into individual cups (CUPS, not thimbles). Also eliminate the morose introspection and instead get the focus on 'Christ's death until he comes back' emphasis it is supposed to have.
2. Just get rid of all the plans and programs and start with a prayer service and see where God takes it from there. Requires faith and expectation however...
Esaias we have been in lock step the last couple of days.... but seriously I AINT DRINKING FROM THE SAME CUP AS SOME OTHER FOLK!!!!
LOL! gimme a throwaway thimble!
Esaias
09-20-2013, 01:02 PM
Esaias we have been in lock step the last couple of days.... but seriously I AINT DRINKING FROM THE SAME CUP AS SOME OTHER FOLK!!!!
LOL! gimme a throwaway thimble!
Should I blame the Lortab?
lol
kclee4jc
09-20-2013, 01:40 PM
Some more suggestions:
1. Eliminate the New Years Day 'communion service' in favor of a true Lord's Supper (one loaf, one cup). For those too squeamish to drink out of the same cup their brethren drink from, you can at least have one cup and pour the contents into individual cups (CUPS, not thimbles). Also eliminate the morose introspection and instead get the focus on 'Christ's death until he comes back' emphasis it is supposed to have.
2. Just get rid of all the plans and programs and start with a prayer service and see where God takes it from there. Requires faith and expectation however...
excellent thought! it requires people to actually be spiritually minded and seek God rather than leaning on the crutches and going through the motions
oh how i weary of that..
Should I blame the Lortab?
lol
LOL! well, im taking Physical Therapy these days and not so much lortab....but SURE!
Pressing-On
09-20-2013, 01:57 PM
Some more suggestions:
1. Eliminate the New Years Day 'communion service' in favor of a true Lord's Supper (one loaf, one cup). For those too squeamish to drink out of the same cup their brethren drink from, you can at least have one cup and pour the contents into individual cups (CUPS, not thimbles). Also eliminate the morose introspection and instead get the focus on 'Christ's death until he comes back' emphasis it is supposed to have.
2. Just get rid of all the plans and programs and start with a prayer service and see who actually shows up...
I had to edit No. 2. :heeheehee
Esaias
09-20-2013, 02:59 PM
I had to edit No. 2. :heeheehee
Bad bad bad!!!!
:smack
Unfortunately, it's pretty accurate.
RandyWayne
09-20-2013, 03:15 PM
Some more suggestions:
1. Eliminate the New Years Day 'communion service' in favor of a true Lord's Supper (one loaf, one cup). For those too squeamish to drink out of the same cup their brethren drink from, you can at least have one cup and pour the contents into individual cups (CUPS, not thimbles). Also eliminate the morose introspection and instead get the focus on 'Christ's death until he comes back' emphasis it is supposed to have.
2. Just get rid of all the plans and programs and start with a prayer service and see where God takes it from there. Requires faith and expectation however...
Forget the loaf of bread and single cup of wine. How about a turkey, mashed potatoes and gravy, and each of us gets our own GLASS of wine. :)
I'm pretty sure Jesus and the disciples broke bread because that was pretty much all they had. If they were around today, they may very well be sharing a family sized table at Famous Dave's.
Esaias
09-20-2013, 03:40 PM
Forget the loaf of bread and single cup of wine. How about a turkey, mashed potatoes and gravy, and each of us gets our own GLASS of wine. :)
I'm pretty sure Jesus and the disciples broke bread because that was pretty much all they had. If they were around today, they may very well be sharing a family sized table at Famous Dave's.
That's why I said replace it with a genuine Lord's Supper.
The bread and the wine are a PART of the supper.
The pattern is found in 'the last supper' (so called).
RandyWayne
09-21-2013, 11:19 PM
Perhaps a squad of these "guys" will get the ol spirit moving during song service.
While the Pack is my team that isn't the reason I posted THIS photo. I ended using a photo of their cheerleaders because they don't employ professional ones. They use local high school and small college ones during every game. I tried to find a photo of girls from other teams (such as the Dallas Cowboys) but they were all just a tiny bit to risque to post here -even though we've all seen them. :)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-v23ko2ER4fY/UFMzpwR17PI/AAAAAAAANlo/xCkdIuTuelM/s640/packers2.jpg
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