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Disciple4life
09-21-2013, 09:11 AM
I don’t like using the word “saved”. There are too much baggage and preconceived ideas that go along with it. Saved is a loaded word.

This is my opinion. When people say that they want to be saved what they really mean is “What do I have to do to not go to Hell? AND how fast can I do it so I can get on with the rest of my life?”

I do not believe in “easy believe-ism”. When Jesus told the man to sell all he had and come follow him, this was a lifelong commitment. Jesus did not say follow me for an afternoon, follow me for a week, follow me for a year. It was a lifelong commitment.

I think this is why there is so much confusion on the subject of salvation. Jesus never intended us to just get saved. Jesus wanted us to enter into his kingdom while we are still on Earth. He wanted to put his spirit into our bodies making us his temple. We have ENTEERED IN the Holy of Holies. When a person receives the Baptism of the Holy Ghost they ENTER IN a new heaven and new earth. And then we are ready to be witnesses to the whole world for the rest of our lives.

So that is why I don’t like using the word “saved”. :foottap

KWSS1976
09-21-2013, 09:48 AM
I have to agree with you, thats why I have issues with the folks that knock "Greasey Grace" there is no such thing as easy believe-ism,folks know they have to live a godly life after repentance and know matter how that repentance is done, repeat a prayer or whatever, its in the individuals heart that counts and how they are going to live going forth..

Truthseeker
09-21-2013, 10:17 AM
Paul used the word saved.

KWSS1976
09-21-2013, 10:37 AM
I really wish Peter and Paul would have jumped off a really tall building and lived to tell about it...lol, that would make for some really good church we would have these big building next to the church jumping off them just because the Great and powerful Paul and Peter did it. Don't even see why the other Apostoles were even around nobody ever gives them any credit for anything its just Peter and Paul..

Disciple4life
09-21-2013, 10:54 AM
Paul actually did not use the word saved. He used a Greek word. I am not a Greek scholar so I will not attempt to give a lesson in Greek.

What I meant was that technically saved is a fine word to use in scripture.
What we have done is added meaning to the word.
When a person says they are saved usually what they mean is they do not have to do anything else for the rest of their life.

An example is that a phrase like "it is raining"

If you tell me it is raining that is fine. What is not fine is when you think "it is raining cats and dogs".

We say one thing but we intend a whole different message. This bring confusion because we do not have the same definition.

KWSS1976
09-21-2013, 11:00 AM
When one says they are saved I look at them as ok great they are changing there life and are going to live better and stop doing whatever in there life they were doing that was Sin/Bad..You have to keep living right, I think some get the impression that when one says they are saved that they continue doing whatever it was that was wrong just because they are saved.

Praxeas
09-21-2013, 02:10 PM
I don’t like using the word “saved”. There are too much baggage and preconceived ideas that go along with it. Saved is a loaded word.

This is my opinion. When people say that they want to be saved what they really mean is “What do I have to do to not go to Hell? AND how fast can I do it so I can get on with the rest of my life?”

I do not believe in “easy believe-ism”. When Jesus told the man to sell all he had and come follow him, this was a lifelong commitment. Jesus did not say follow me for an afternoon, follow me for a week, follow me for a year. It was a lifelong commitment.

I think this is why there is so much confusion on the subject of salvation. Jesus never intended us to just get saved. Jesus wanted us to enter into his kingdom while we are still on Earth. He wanted to put his spirit into our bodies making us his temple. We have ENTEERED IN the Holy of Holies. When a person receives the Baptism of the Holy Ghost they ENTER IN a new heaven and new earth. And then we are ready to be witnesses to the whole world for the rest of our lives.

So that is why I don’t like using the word “saved”. :foottap
I always thought it was funny that people get stuck on a word. I wonder sometimes if they sit around going through the dictionary and deciding what word to like or not like. What a useless conversation

You must have a hard time reading the bible...being full of words you don't like :heeheehee

Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.'

Praxeas
09-21-2013, 02:13 PM
Paul actually did not use the word saved. He used a Greek word. I am not a Greek scholar so I will not attempt to give a lesson in Greek.

What I meant was that technically saved is a fine word to use in scripture.
What we have done is added meaning to the word.
When a person says they are saved usually what they mean is they do not have to do anything else for the rest of their life.

An example is that a phrase like "it is raining"

If you tell me it is raining that is fine. What is not fine is when you think "it is raining cats and dogs".

We say one thing but we intend a whole different message. This bring confusion because we do not have the same definition.
ROFL. Paul did not use the word saved? He also did not use the word God or Jesus or a bunch of other words if you use that sort of logic.

He used the Greek word FOR "Saved"

"Raining cats and dogs" is an idiom. The bible is full of idioms. It does not bring confusion except for those that are unlearned

2Pe 3:16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable pervert, as also they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction).

Praxeas
09-21-2013, 02:14 PM
I really wish Peter and Paul would have jumped off a really tall building and lived to tell about it...lol, that would make for some really good church we would have these big building next to the church jumping off them just because the Great and powerful Paul and Peter did it. Don't even see why the other Apostoles were even around nobody ever gives them any credit for anything its just Peter and Paul..
And John?

Disciple4life
09-21-2013, 02:18 PM
I don't have a problem reading the bible. I try to put the words that I read into context.

For example. When I first read the verse with "judge not lest you be judged" I understood what was meant. Condemn not lest you be condemn is how I have always understood this verse.

I like to meditate on scripture. Sometimes I learn something. Sometimes I just sit and absorb God's word.

Praxeas
09-21-2013, 02:49 PM
I don't have a problem reading the bible. I try to put the words that I read into context.

For example. When I first read the verse with "judge not lest you be judged" I understood what was meant. Condemn not lest you be condemn is how I have always understood this verse.

I like to meditate on scripture. Sometimes I learn something. Sometimes I just sit and absorb God's word.
When you get to the word "saved", because you don't like that word, what do you do?

Disciple4life
09-21-2013, 04:37 PM
I still read the word saved when I read scripture. I just try to go the extra step to consider what is really trying to be said. The other day I did look it up. You could use the word "rescued" and it would read with the same meaning. The only difference is if I say I am rescued it has much less baggage with the word than if I say saved.

I guess the point I am trying to make is that I do not try to read the bible through my own set of eyes. I try to understand what the Apostles where saying to their audience.

Before I came to this forum I did not realize that some Apostolics believe that you can be saved before you are baptized in Jesus Name and are baptized with the Holy Ghost.

If one steppers are right a person is saved at believe, repentance and confession.
If three steppers are right a person is saved after they believe, repent, baptism in Jesus name and receive the Holy Ghost by the sign of speaking in tongues.

But just because a person gets saved does not mean the journey is over. Regardless of which view a person takes, Jesus wants us to follow him. I personally know very few people who feel they are on a life long journey with Jesus.

Praxeas
09-21-2013, 05:37 PM
Words don't have baggage. People do. Words are not scary, not to be feared, nor even ideas.

Disciple4life
09-21-2013, 05:48 PM
I think we are saying the same thing.

I don't want people to put their baggage on the words that I say.

Praxeas
09-21-2013, 06:16 PM
I think we are saying the same thing.

I don't want people to put their baggage on the words that I say.
Then it has nothing to do with disliking certain words?

Disciple4life
09-21-2013, 06:28 PM
Ah!

You are right!!!

I don't like what people do with words.

Praxeas
09-21-2013, 06:42 PM
Ah!

You are right!!!

I don't like what people do with words.
:icecream

Jermyn Davidson
09-21-2013, 07:39 PM
Ah!

You are right!!!

I don't like what people do with words.

Yeah!
I'm with you!
Stupid sentences and stuff!