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Disciple4life
09-21-2013, 04:44 PM
I am new here so please forgive my ignorance.
Where do one steppers go to church?
It is really hard to find a church that is not affiliated with the UPCI in my area.
Also is there somewhere to buy books that teach the one stepper belief?
The Pentecostal Publishing House has a large selection, but all of their books are three stepper material.
I am real new so I am sorry if I didn't say something the right way. :smack
Jermyn Davidson
09-21-2013, 07:31 PM
I am new here so please forgive my ignorance.
Where do one steppers go to church?
It is really hard to find a church that is not affiliated with the UPCI in my area.
Also is there somewhere to buy books that teach the one stepper belief?
The Pentecostal Publishing House has a large selection, but all of their books are three stepper material.
I am real new so I am sorry if I didn't say something the right way. :smack
Anywhere they can! :thumbsup
I attend a UPCI church, but I simply try to just not emphasize my differences because I don't want to cause trouble. But I have drive quite a ways to get there.
Maybe you might want to consider starting your own church.
Esaias
09-21-2013, 10:17 PM
I am new here so please forgive my ignorance.
Where do one steppers go to church?
It is really hard to find a church that is not affiliated with the UPCI in my area.
Also is there somewhere to buy books that teach the one stepper belief?
The Pentecostal Publishing House has a large selection, but all of their books are three stepper material.
I am real new so I am sorry if I didn't say something the right way. :smack
You might try the local Baptist church?
seekerman
09-21-2013, 10:43 PM
I am new here so please forgive my ignorance.
Where do one steppers go to church?
It is really hard to find a church that is not affiliated with the UPCI in my area.
Also is there somewhere to buy books that teach the one stepper belief?
The Pentecostal Publishing House has a large selection, but all of their books are three stepper material.
I am real new so I am sorry if I didn't say something the right way. :smack
If there is a Grace or Life Church in your area, you might want to check them out. I've found most of them to be one steppers.
RandyWayne
09-21-2013, 11:02 PM
"Where do one steppers go to church?"
"Anywhere they want to!"
<rim shot>
Praxeas
09-22-2013, 01:12 AM
1 step, 2 step, 3 step...all this worldly dance stuff is carnal :heeheehee
Hoovie
09-22-2013, 04:17 AM
My pastor has a UPC license, but our church is not affiliated. That my pastor is more 3 step than I doesn't make me nervous. I am likely wrong on some stuff too!
My pastor has a UPC license, but our church is not affiliated. That my pastor is more 3 step than I doesn't make me nervous. I am likely wrong on some stuff too!
:thumbsup
I am new here so please forgive my ignorance.
Where do one steppers go to church?
It is really hard to find a church that is not affiliated with the UPCI in my area.
Also is there somewhere to buy books that teach the one stepper belief?
The Pentecostal Publishing House has a large selection, but all of their books are three stepper material.
I am real new so I am sorry if I didn't say something the right way. :smack
A starting place might be to go to the Global Network of Christian Ministries website and look at their church directory. The radio button to do that is way at the top of the home page on the right. it is titled "Find a GNCM Church". I am pasting a link to their home page at the bottom of my post.
Global is not exclusively a Oneness org. but it is where a lot of UPC pastors went who left after the affirmation statement issue. There are also a lot of independent "one stepper" churches. Can you tell us what city or town you are in? If it would compromise your anonymity and you don't want to reveal it I understand.
http://globalministriesonline.com/
Timmy
09-22-2013, 11:16 AM
Definitely not here:
http://julicidal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Yorkshire-Whitby-Church-Steps.jpg
Disciple4life
09-22-2013, 02:47 PM
Thanks for all the responses!
I am in the Saint Louis Missouri area.
RandyWayne
09-22-2013, 03:11 PM
Thanks for all the responses!
I am in the Saint Louis Missouri area.
Anheuser-Busch, St Louis MO.
Need I say more?
Jason B
09-22-2013, 05:37 PM
A starting place might be to go to the Global Network of Christian Ministries website and look at their church directory. The radio button to do that is way at the top of the home page on the right. it is titled "Find a GNCM Church". I am pasting a link to their home page at the bottom of my post.
Global is not exclusively a Oneness org. but it is where a lot of UPC pastors went who left after the affirmation statement issue. There are also a lot of independent "one stepper" churches. Can you tell us what city or town you are in? If it would compromise your anonymity and you don't want to reveal it I understand.
http://globalministriesonline.com/
What are the alternatives to Global? Any others?
freeatlast
09-22-2013, 06:09 PM
Thanks for all the responses!
I am in the Saint Louis Missouri area.
try south county christian church, newly named, cross point church.
Pastor is Shawn Craig (ever hear of Phillips Craig and Dean)
Oneness pentecostal roots in this church
http://www.thecrosspoint.com/index.cfm/PageID/1452/index.html
freeatlast
09-22-2013, 06:18 PM
Faith Church looks like a place I'd visit if I lived in st Louis
http://faithchurch.com/locations/
try south county christian church, newly named, cross point church.
Pastor is Shawn Craig (ever hear of Phillips Craig and Dean)
Oneness pentecostal roots in this church
http://www.thecrosspoint.com/index.cfm/PageID/1452/index.html
I agree with this recommendation. I don't know anything particular about this church but have known Shawn Craig for many years. He is a good man.
Disciple4life
10-11-2013, 10:10 AM
try south county christian church, newly named, cross point church.
Pastor is Shawn Craig (ever hear of Phillips Craig and Dean)
Oneness pentecostal roots in this church
http://www.thecrosspoint.com/index.cfm/PageID/1452/index.html
I attended Sunday morning and Wednesday evening services. I really liked it. It is so good to go to church again.
The pastor Shawn Craig gave an amazing sermon!
:happydance
seekerman
10-11-2013, 11:47 AM
What are the alternatives to Global? Any others?
http://www.majc.us/
Sabby
10-11-2013, 01:05 PM
You could try the Apostolic Christian Network or the International Ministerial Association. The Fellowship (Full Gospel Fellowship) is one step, but some (not all) ministers baptize in titles.
Real Realism
10-14-2013, 09:58 AM
While I've been praying for God to reveal his will for our family - I would not classify myself as a one-stepper. I recognize that being raised in the UPC has certainly skewed the way I read Scripture - but I have be attempting to study with a fresh mindset to let the Scripture interpret itself. That said, I still keep coming away with the impression that "if any man have not the Spirit of God he is none of his" and that tongues are clearly the initial sign of receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost. I'm not saying that if someone truly repents of their sin and then dies before being baptized or receiving the Holy Ghost that he's not saved. BUT - the scripture clearly points toward true believers taking a step of obedience to be baptized in Jesus name and to seek the promise of the Gift of the Holy Ghost (Acts 8). (I'm also not saying that people who live their whole lives only knowing repentance and baptism in the titles won't receive their reward...but I have to do what God has revealed for me and my family.)
Okay -all that said - I've been researching churches in my area for a while now, considering taking a step outside of the UPC, away from the man made traditions, obligations, and "expectations" put upon mature Christians. Even though my church "doesn't preach standards," there's still an expectation that "mature Christians" will tow the line. It's an environment I have a difficult time foreseeing raising my kids in.
Do you know how difficult it is to find a church that baptizes in Jesus name? There's an ex-UPC church in town that does, but the pastor doesn't believe that all believers should seek the baptism of the Holy Ghost.
Finally, finally - I've found a church that according to their beliefs page on their website, preaches baptism in Jesus name and the infilling of the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues. And judging from their pictures of their ministers, they don't teach traditional UPCI standards.
Unfortunately, in my area of the country, none of the ministerial associations listed in this thread are represented anywhere nearby. I've resorted to a Google search on "churches" and painstakingly clicking on every single dot that comes up in my area, and then reading web pages when I stumble across one that looks promising.
The church I've just discovered is about 35 minutes away. Not ideal, but I've driven farther to church in my past. Plus, it's in an area near where we've considered moving in the next 5 years. We're still praying about God's will for our family, and I'm not sure if/when we're going to visit it. But it's a weight off my mind to know that it's out there. An answer to prayer...even if it isn't the right place for us, I prayed that God would show us at least one option out there, and two days after having my face in the ground over this, I've finally stumbled across it. God is good.
MarcBee
10-14-2013, 12:27 PM
That said, I still keep coming away with the impression that "if any man have not the Spirit of God he is none of his" and that tongues are clearly the initial sign of receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost.
I'm puzzled about how what is essentially a direct, clear quote from the bible can be in any way blunted or adjusted by saying "coming away with the impression that..."
Can relatively clear phrases (at least by biblical standards) be really be recast as your impression?
I'm not saying that if someone truly repents of their sin and then dies before being baptized or receiving the Holy Ghost that he's not saved. .
Same question--what part of "none of his" is unclear?
...I'm also not saying that people who live their whole lives only knowing repentance and baptism in the titles won't receive their reward...
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Etc., etc...
Real Realism
10-14-2013, 12:34 PM
Hey, man, you're preaching to the choir here. Look - the Bible does not say "explicitly" that "tongues are the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost." Yes, there are instances where it talks about someone receiving the Holy Ghost, and tongues aren't "mentioned." But, IMO, the absence of information does not mean that something did not exist, just that it was not noted or documented.
I've asked twice in the last couple months on this forum for a one-stepper to give their understanding of Acts 8, and why it was so very evident that SOMETHING physical and observable happened when the Samaritans received the Holy Ghost. ALSO, why were the apostles called upon to pray for them to receive the Holy Ghost, if they had "already received it when they believed" (which they clearly had believed already, as they were baptized). No one has taken it upon themselves to try to give an answer.
So...anyway...yeah, I'm with you. But I know this isn't a debate that begins and ends with how you and I read our Bibles.
(Oh, and on the part of someone "not being saved" if they lived a life of devotion to God without speaking tongues...not for me to judge, if it's not something that was revealed to them in God's word. All I know is what I read and must obey, and preach and teach the same. God is bigger than me, though, so I don't discount his ability to have mercy upon whom he will have mercy.)
MarcBee
10-14-2013, 12:49 PM
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So...anyway...yeah, I'm with you. But I know this isn't a debate that begins and ends with how you and I read our Bibles.
Fair enough, thanks. But as a believer, I was strongly a three-stepper, and just couldn't find scriptural justification for the wiggle room you are describing (although it would have made life easier had I found that wiggle-room.)
But carry on....
Pressing-On
10-14-2013, 12:50 PM
Definitely not here:
http://julicidal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Yorkshire-Whitby-Church-Steps.jpg
:toofunny :toofunny :toofunny :thumbsup
navygoat1998
10-14-2013, 01:00 PM
Fair enough, thanks. But as a believer, I was strongly a three-stepper, and just couldn't find scriptural justification for the wiggle room you are describing (although it would have made life easier had I found that wiggle-room.)
But carry on....
Much of it is in indoctrination. When I read the bible now I see one step all over it.
When we left God told me to read the Bible like a new born babe without my denominational glasses to cloud my judgement of what He was and is doing.
Like I have been told maybe it was not God but the debil.:heeheehee
Real Realism
10-14-2013, 01:00 PM
MarcBee, Just noticed your current belief system isn't Biblical. I respect, though, that even in your current state, you see some of the same clarity - even if you don't believe it yourself anymore.
I was at a point in my life a few years ago where I had a decision to make - Faith...or No Faith. I chose faith. Yes, I agree that there are many things in the Bible that seems clear cut and dry and hard to swallow (and then there are other things that are "way out there" and hard to believe in our natural understanding), but I cannot get past the intangible truth that I see and feel a God in this great big world. Now, I could be some sort of "spiritual" person without a belief system...maybe go to a Unitarian church...or I could choose to trust that the Bible is the documented Word of God and his plan for humanity. I chose the latter, and I'm grateful that God was merciful upon me to allow me to make that choice.
At one point, I told a close friend - agonizingly - that I didn't know how to just "believe" something that I didn't believe. He told me: It's a choice. At the time, I didn't understand. Now I do. I choose faith, and I choose to read and obey what I continue to see in his Word. Whether or not God is bigger than my understanding (oh, and I have no doubt that He is) is irrelevant to me.
I must obey what I see...and for the minutia that I don't "see" in the Word...I choose not to make an issue out of those things. Who was Christ harshest on in Scripture? It was the people who created rules and regulations and placed them as hurdles to salvation. He said (Matthew 23:13): "What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either."
I choose faith, but I also choose not to create stumbling blocks to salvation by going outside the Word. Anyway - all this is totally off-topic, but a good dialogue nonetheless.
Real Realism
10-14-2013, 01:24 PM
When we left God told me to read the Bible like a new born babe without my denominational glasses to cloud my judgement of what He was and is doing.
I've been hearing the same thing. Just read the Word. Get rid of the dogma, get rid of the tradition, and read the Word.
While I've no doubt that the Christian walk certainly begins before someone speaks in tongues...I do see in the Word that it the Holy Ghost is a PROMISE, and that all believers should be encouraged to receive the gift he has for us. I'm still not on board with seeking "tongues" for the sake of "making sure you're ready." But in my journey, I've taken issue with churches that do not teach about and encourage all believers to experience the baptism of the Holy Ghost.
navygoat1998
10-14-2013, 01:31 PM
I've been hearing the same thing. Just read the Word. Get rid of the dogma, get rid of the tradition, and read the Word.
While I've no doubt that the Christian walk certainly begins before someone speaks in tongues...I do see in the Word that it the Holy Ghost is a PROMISE, and that all believers should be encouraged to receive the gift he has for us. I'm still not on board with seeking "tongues" for the sake of "making sure you're ready." But in my journey, I've taken issue with churches that do not teach about and encourage all believers to experience the baptism of the Holy Ghost.
I am only telling you what I felt God told me. Also I am Pentecostal and believe that the Baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance is for today.
We had a Holy Ghost shout down last night at church with many youth losing their English.
I want all that God has for me.
Real Realism
10-14-2013, 01:52 PM
I think we're pretty close to the same place. :) But I need baptism in Jesus name to seal the deal. And the AG churches in my area laughed at me when I asked (okay, actually, they didn't laugh...they were quite kind in their responses) and pointed me to the AG.org Statement of Faith. (I believe you said your church does, indeed, baptize in Jesus name, right?)
navygoat1998
10-14-2013, 01:57 PM
I think we're pretty close to the same place. :) But I need baptism in Jesus name to seal the deal. And the AG churches in my area laughed at me when I asked (okay, actually, they didn't laugh...they were quite kind in their responses) and pointed me to the AG.org Statement of Faith. (I believe you said your church does, indeed, baptize in Jesus name, right?)
That is another member here whose church Baptizes in Jesus Name.
Our church Baptizes according to Matthew 28:19.
MarcBee
10-14-2013, 01:59 PM
Much of it is in indoctrination.
But when it comes to teaching about matters of faith and religion, what isn't indoctrination? Or, what shouldn't be indoctrination? (rhetorical questions.)
Only when one admits, "I don't know the answer, so there's wiggle room on that subject," --seems only then is teaching any belief not indoctrination. But in admitting that, one is simultaneously admitting the Word of God is not clear enough to make a clear decision--when the scripture claims the god will lead you to All Truth. Either way, "indoctrination" ought not be in a perjorative term to Christians, IMO.
When I read the bible now I see one step all over it.
When we left God told me to read the Bible like a new born babe without my denominational glasses to cloud my judgement...
Interesting, I had somewhat the opposite experience. I started out A of G, was happy there for one year, received HG, spoke in tongues, but upon hearing Acts 2:38 message the first or second time, a bunch more things fell into place, at least doctrinally. At least it all made sense enough for the next 20 years.
(OF course, now, everything makes even better sense, since it's all made up by different religious men with slightly different religious beliefs. Shoehorn them all together and call it The Word of God--way more likely, and sensible.)
:icecream
Real Realism
10-14-2013, 02:02 PM
Our church Baptizes according to Matthew 28:19.
Ah, okay. Yeah, that's a tough one for me to get past. Again - another instance where I can only practice and teach others what I see in the Word. But...it's been a debate going on give or take 1688 years...I'm not the master theologian who's going to change everyone else's mind. :preach
navygoat1998
10-14-2013, 02:05 PM
But when it comes to teaching about matters of faith and religion, what isn't indoctrination? Or, what shouldn't be indoctrination? (rhetorical questions.)
Only when one admits, "I don't know the answer, so there's wiggle room on that subject," --seems only then is teaching any belief not indoctrination. But in admitting that, one is simultaneously admitting the Word of God is not clear enough to make a clear decision--when the scripture claims the god will lead you to All Truth. Either way, "indoctrination" ought not be in a perjorative term to Christians, IMO.
Interesting, I had somewhat the opposite experience. I started out A of G, was happy there for one year, received HG, spoke in tongues, but upon hearing Acts 2:38 message the first or second time, a bunch more things fell into place, at least doctrinally. At least it all made sense enough for the next 20 years.
(OF course, now, everything makes even better sense, since it's all made up by different religious men with slightly different religious beliefs. Shoehorn them all together and call it The Word of God--way more likely, and sensible.)
:icecream
Don't worry MarcBee yourself and Timmy are coming back. Your going back to UPC and I am taking Timmy back to the AG. Momma Shanda :nahnah
navygoat1998
10-14-2013, 02:07 PM
Ah, okay. Yeah, that's a tough one for me to get past. Again - another instance where I can only practice and teach others what I see in the Word. But...it's been a debate going on give or take 1688 years...I'm not the master theologian who's going to change everyone else's mind. :preach
I understand I am not going to change anybodies mind. We are called to love and witness to those that know Christ. :highfive
MarcBee
10-14-2013, 02:14 PM
Don't worry MarcBee yourself and Timmy are coming back. Your going back to UPC and I am taking Timmy back to the AG. Momma Shanda
Hehheh, His Reverend Lee Stoneking is probably right about that possibility (with the wrong reasoning, naturally.)
:happydance
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=44746
:happydance
navygoat1998
10-14-2013, 02:16 PM
Hehheh, His Reverend Lee Stoneking is probably right about that possibility (with the wrong reasoning, naturally.)
:happydance
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=44746
:happydance
I saw that andI was never a big fan of Elder Stoneking when I was in UPC. :happydance
Disciple4life
10-14-2013, 03:28 PM
I actually never said I was a one stepper. I was wondering where one steppers go to church. I would rather worship with a one stepper who has love and mercy in his heart than someone I totally agree with over doctrine.
I am a three stepper who believes in the light doctrine, who admits maybe I am wrong. :smack
Real Realism
10-14-2013, 04:29 PM
Forgive my ignorance...what is the light doctrine?
Disciple4life
10-15-2013, 10:19 AM
Forgive my ignorance...what is the light doctrine?
The light doctrine is that you are judged by the light of what you have heard.
If you have not heard the Gospel you cannot be judged by it.
If you have not heard Acts 2:38 preached, you cannot be judged by it.
If you have heard that-Jesus died for your sins, was buried, rose on the third day and now sits on his throne in Heaven, then you have enough information to become a believer.
If this person repents of their sins, believes with all their heart and confesses Jesus as Lord they are a righteous believer. They must continue to follow after Jesus and not continue to sin willingly. When this person stands before God’s throne they will be welcomed into Heaven.
If a person believes, repents is baptized in Jesus Name and Receives the Holy Spirit by the Evidence of speaking in tongues, they are born again. They too must follow after Jesus and not willingly sin. BUT the born again believer is in a full or complete relationship with God. They are fully saved.
I have also heard the term “wicked, righteous and holy” to describe this.
Disciple4life
10-15-2013, 10:21 AM
Here are some more documents that might be helpful! :happydance
Real Realism
10-15-2013, 10:25 AM
Interesting. This is pretty much where I've been leaning as I've been diligently reevaluating things over the last few years...
Disciple4life
10-15-2013, 10:51 AM
This might help to. This is from A.D. Urshan. It was in an old issue of the Pentecostal Herald. :happydance
Disciple4life
10-15-2013, 10:55 AM
I found a book that describes believers going to Heaven because they were redeemed with Christ blood.
The author is of the opinion that believers are not Born Again until they receive Baptism in Jesus Name and the Baptism in the Holy Ghost.
AND he backs it all up with scripture.
The book is--- The Lost Sons of God by Kenneth Reeves!!!
Another book is--- Cry of the Unborn by Ralph V. Reynolds
Both of these books are a must read!!!
Steve Epley
10-15-2013, 03:44 PM
Save your shoe leather and go to hell free.
Real Realism
10-15-2013, 04:04 PM
go to hell.
:jaw
Esaias
10-15-2013, 04:06 PM
:jaw
He's saying rather than spend your 'shoe leather' on going to a false church, you could wind up in the same ultimate destination with less expense in this life by just staying home.
Disciple4life
10-16-2013, 08:36 AM
Brother Epley,
I was just recommending books that helped me. You do not have to buy and read them just because I recommend them.
Plus I have read all kind of books that I don't agree with. Sometimes it helps to read different peoples opinions. Kind of like AFF.
I read Christianity Without the Cross. I don't agree with everything said in the book but I am glad I read it.
freeatlast
01-09-2015, 08:04 PM
Save your shoe leather and go to hell free.
I have never run across a more arrogant jerk than this Epley guy.
I sometimes think he is a made up character created by Mark Yandris.
I have never run across a more arrogant jerk than this Epley guy.
I sometimes think he is a made up character created by Mark Yandris.
He is real. I have eaten lunch with him several times and consider him a friend. I think, like myself, he has a very dry sense of humor that sometimes does not come across as intended.
He is very conservative and holds strong views but generally makes a great effort to take those stands in a Christian / considerate way. However sometimes........LOL
J.A. Perez
01-10-2015, 02:11 AM
Elder S. Epley is one of God's finest.
Truly a man of God.
He preached one of my favorites " In Defense of the Blessed Hope."
A masterpiece I assure you.
As far as One Steppers,
My first Pastor ran with many of those men, went to their Bible colleges graduated and taught there. I never could figure out why before the Affirmation, they mostly looked like us. But after they all left, they all went as worldly as the AoG. Even though they are all mostly strong OneNess. weird? Out of all those men N.W. Nigh and his wife are the only ones that still look the same and have the same sweet spirit. My wife and I, on vacation many years ago went to visit L.Yadons church and it was a sad sight to see. Just a tiny fiber of old people left that had the appearance of old time Pentecost. Everyone else was well....
Someone said he is a great teacher with a little knife. I know that to be fact, it came out in his teaching, very bitter. Something deep deep in the fibre of that nice man is eating him away.
Just a Nobody,
J.A. Perez
Disciple4life
01-10-2015, 01:23 PM
I have never run across a more arrogant jerk than this Epley guy.
I sometimes think he is a made up character created by Mark Yandris.
Brother Epley isn't a jerk! He is just opinionated.
Stick around awhile and you will find out I can be a big jerk!!! :happydance
Disciple4life
01-10-2015, 01:24 PM
Thanks for bumping the thread!!!!
thephnxman
01-10-2015, 02:07 PM
"One-steppers" go wherever they are comfortable.
Sabby
01-11-2015, 08:59 PM
Elder S. Epley is one of God's finest.
Truly a man of God.
He preached one of my favorites " In Defense of the Blessed Hope."
A masterpiece I assure you.
As far as One Steppers,
...My wife and I, on vacation many years ago went to visit L.Yadons church and it was a sad sight to see. Just a tiny fiber of old people left that had the appearance of old time Pentecost. Everyone else was well....
Someone said he is a great teacher with a little knife. I know that to be fact, it came out in his teaching, very bitter. Something deep deep in the fibre of that nice man is eating him away.
Just a Nobody,
J.A. Perez
Br. Perez,
I wish I'd have "ran" with more "one steppers" when I was a UPC preacher. I've never known a more narrow-minded, sanctimonious bunch than the three-steppers that were my colleagues in the District I served. They were responsible for running several preachers out of the state, shutting down at least one significant church in a major city and closing a UPC endorsed bible college. At least if they had been one-steppers they would have understood what having a repentant spirit is like....
You do know the history that L. Yadon had with Christian Life College, don't you? Of course he is responsible for (what you describe as) a bitter spirit, but the ones that "offended" him are the ones that will experience eternal separation from the Lord, drowned as it were with millstones around their necks.
Let me ask you something. Why do you equate 3 step with someone's appearance? Every one stepper I know practices and preaches modesty and temperance. Am I missing something?
J.A. Perez
01-12-2015, 11:05 AM
Br. Perez,
I wish I'd have "ran" with more "one steppers" when I was a UPC preacher. I've never known a more narrow-minded, sanctimonious bunch than the three-steppers that were my colleagues in the District I served. They were responsible for running several preachers out of the state, shutting down at least one significant church in a major city and closing a UPC endorsed bible college. At least if they had been one-steppers they would have understood what having a repentant spirit is like....You do know the history that L. Yadon had with Christian Life College, don't you? Of course he is responsible for (what you describe as) a bitter spirit, but the ones that "offended" him are the ones that will experience eternal separation from the Lord, drowned as it were with millstones around their necks.
Let me ask you something. Why do you equate 3 step with someone's appearance? Every one stepper I know practices and preaches modesty and temperance. Am I missing something?
1. I’d have to except your opinion since, I wasn’t there and have no idea of whom you speak.
2. I guess one-steppers are ok with a Double Married preacher, because they understand repentance and 3-step don’t?
3. I don't know the heart of any but as a 3-stepper. I have repented for laying off men that I didn't want to let go but had to because of the trouble they brought to the job. I believe God forgave me and I saw those guys later at the Union hall and they weren’t bitter. They just moved on and got a new job.( I speak as a Forman in construction )
4.Very little, but being a former gang member I know what having a Kamikaze spirit is, and when I jumped in and flew my plane into the enemy, they beat me up, I wasn’t bitter later, because i shouldn’t have done that in the first place.
5. I’m glad you’re not the judge and you are glad Im not either.
6. Some people are prisoners of un-forgiveness.
7. Maybe more modest and temperate in eating food, because most of the 3-step I know are overweight.
8. One-steppers are so narrow minded you can shoot both eyes out with one B-B.( so Ive been told.)
Yours,
J.A. Perez
Jermyn Davidson
01-12-2015, 01:45 PM
I am new here so please forgive my ignorance.
Where do one steppers go to church?
It is really hard to find a church that is not affiliated with the UPCI in my area.
Also is there somewhere to buy books that teach the one stepper belief?
The Pentecostal Publishing House has a large selection, but all of their books are three stepper material.
I am real new so I am sorry if I didn't say something the right way. :smack
Their local A/G church.
:thumbsup
AR Pastor
01-13-2015, 12:45 PM
Save your shoe leather and go to hell free.
:thumbsup I agree. Why waste your time?
navygoat1998
01-13-2015, 03:51 PM
:thumbsup I agree. Why waste your time?
:heeheehee
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