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ReformedDave
02-19-2007, 04:50 PM
If you HAD to choose just 2 books from the Bible, one from each Testament what would they be and why.
Blubayou
02-19-2007, 08:57 PM
Hmm-- Interesting question! Off the top of my head it would be Genesis and Acts. But I am going to have to give it some thought.
ReformedDave
02-19-2007, 09:00 PM
Hmm-- Interesting question! Off the top of my head it would be Genesis and Acts. But I am going to have to give it some thought.
I agree with Genesis but I would add probably one of the Gospels. Genesis to say how we got to where we are and the promise that is coming and possibly the gospel of John to tell us Who the promise is.
Esther
02-20-2007, 10:16 AM
Old Testatment is hard to decide.
I am think Psalms
New Testament
Maybe John......although Acts is right up there.
Hard decision.
Esther
02-21-2007, 05:39 AM
I am temporarily moving this thread from the Library to the FH for more viewing. :)
Coonskinner
02-21-2007, 06:13 AM
If I absolutely had to narrow it down to just one from each Testament it would be Genesis and Acts.
The Gospel of John would be right up there with them though.
Thinking about this question has made me more aware and thankful for all of God's Word. I am glad i don't have to do without any of it.
Many times as I sit with my Bible on my lap, pondering some fresh nugget gleaned from the Scripture, I think to myself, "I am so glad I didn't neglect the Word today, or I would have missed this!"
"Man doth not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."
Sister Truth Seeker
02-21-2007, 06:54 AM
OH my I don't think I could do that but I love reading stories in the old testament, and I love proverbs....oh my I don't think I can choose!
Warmbee
02-21-2007, 07:45 AM
hmmmmmm..... I think Isaiah and..... Acts. Isaiah because there is so much prophecy and it talks about the oneness of God chapters at a time. Acts because it's the beginnings of the church and it's were you see salvation poured out for the first time..... I agree with coonskinner, I'm so glad we don't have to miss out on any part of God's word.
ReformedDave
02-21-2007, 07:49 AM
As I stated before, Genesis because it gives the history of our situation and one of the Gospels, probably John because it gives us the fulfillment of the gospel and promise mentioned in Genesis. Plus, I all ready have them on my IPOD.:tease
AGAPE
02-21-2007, 07:53 AM
I would hate to make that decision....GIVE ME THE WHOLE WORD
But Old Testament
either Genesis, or Isaiah
New Testament
either Acts, John, or Hebrews
LadyChocolate
02-21-2007, 07:59 AM
Proverbs has alot of wisdom to hold on to... I really like it. Not really sure though which one I'd choose from....
New Test.....I love the gospel of John.!
ReformedDave
02-21-2007, 08:00 AM
I would hate to make that decision....GIVE ME THE WHOLE WORD
But Old Testament
either Genesis, or Isaiah
New Testament
either Acts, John, or Hebrews
Just think of the 2 that would tell the story in the most complete fashion.
Scott Hutchinson
02-21-2007, 08:06 AM
I would proably choose the psalms for the comfort they give.
Also too I would choose Romans,because it reminds me of the fact that we aren't under the law.
rrford
02-21-2007, 09:17 AM
Genesis and Romans. (But then again, how can one really answer such a question? Seems like Thomas Jefferson tried.:killinme )
ZeroedIn
02-21-2007, 10:04 AM
If I absolutely had to narrow it down to just one from each Testament it would be Genesis and Acts.
The Gospel of John would be right up there with them though.
Thinking about this question has made me more aware and thankful for all of God's Word. I am glad i don't have to do without any of it.
Many times as I sit with my Bible on my lap, pondering some fresh nugget gleaned from the Scripture, I think to myself, "I am so glad I didn't neglect the Word today, or I would have missed this!"
"Man doth not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."
I have 2 Bibles open on my desk right now, I too would say Genesis and Acts. I would too have a hard time not taking one of the gospels, but my reason for Acts should be plain to us apostolics. Acts refers to the life of Jesus Christ a lot, so, its not like we would totally miss what was offered in the gospels.
I'm glad to have it ALL!!
Scott Hutchinson
02-21-2007, 10:05 AM
I have 2 Bibles open on my desk right now, I too would say Genesis and Acts. I would too have a hard time not taking one of the gospels, but my reason for Acts should be plain to us apostolics. Acts refers to the life of Jesus Christ a lot, so, its not like we would totally miss what was offered in the gospels.
I'm glad to have it ALL!!
Acts is really a continuation of the ministry of Christ.
I would definitely choose the Gospel of John ... John summarizes Genesis in his first chapter anyway and who the Word is ....
and the last one is a toss up between Acts, Romans and 1 John.
I probably would lean towards Romans ... The main theme of the letter is the salvation offered through the Gospel of Jesus Christ (1:16 – 17). Paul argues that all humanity is guilty and accountable to God for sin and that it is only through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ that humanity can attain salvation. Therefore, God is both just and the one who justifies. In response to God's free, sovereign and graceful action of salvation, humanity can be justified by faith. Paul uses the example of Abraham to demonstrate that it is by faith not works that mankind can be seen as righteous before God.
And let's not forget that one man's study of this book revolutionized the world as we know it ... See Martin Luther.
Rhymis
02-21-2007, 10:35 AM
The book of Index and the book of Concordance.
ReformedDave
02-21-2007, 10:40 AM
The book of Index and the book of Concordance.
Cheater!
Blubayou
02-21-2007, 10:54 AM
I asked my husband this question - He said Proverbs or Psalms and Acts.
ReformedDave
02-21-2007, 11:08 AM
I asked my husband this question - He said Proverbs or Psalms and Acts.
Why were these his choices?
Rhymis
02-21-2007, 11:15 AM
I think this is a trick question,.
I cant do it. i just cant do it. one aint enough.
Genesis, Proverbs and Isiaih
John, Acts, 2 Peter.
cant do less than 3. sorry.
ReformedDave
02-21-2007, 01:56 PM
I cant do it. i just cant do it. one aint enough.
Genesis, Proverbs and Isiaih
John, Acts, 2 Peter.
cant do less than 3. sorry.
Cheater!!!!:heeheehee
Psalms and John or Hebrews...
Honestly if you toss out our Apostolic Doctrine and the Gospel (Acts and John) and you are asking me the most important book of the Bible about just being a Christian (post salvation) 2 Peter gets my vote.
To me this is the most underrated book in the bible but when you start looking at what it says, it encompasses everything the bible as a whole talks about as far as living a clean life.
Peter even says here (ferds version) "God showed me I am about to die and here are the things I want you to remember"
It is really powerful stuff. I am teaching this right now in Sunday School and hope that the lessons I am writing, I can one day turn into a book.
ReformedDave
02-21-2007, 02:35 PM
Honestly if you toss out our Apostolic Doctrine and the Gospel (Acts and John) and you are asking me the most important book of the Bible about just being a Christian (post salvation) 2 Peter gets my vote.
To me this is the most underrated book in the bible but when you start looking at what it says, it encompasses everything the bible as a whole talks about as far as living a clean life.
Peter even says here (ferds version) "God showed me I am about to die and here are the things I want you to remember"
It is really powerful stuff. I am teaching this right now in Sunday School and hope that the lessons I am writing, I can one day turn into a book.
One of the ministers I admire the most has a tape series of Hebrews that I'm going thru. (52 sermons) What a GREAT book. It's becoming a personal favorite but if I could ONLY have 1 from the new I'd still stay with John. Kind of sums everything else up.
Blubayou
02-21-2007, 02:37 PM
My favorite book Epistle is James. I love his practical approach to life.
ReformedDave
02-21-2007, 02:38 PM
My favorite book Epistle is James. I love his practical approach to life.
One of the 4 great wisdom books.
Warmbee
02-21-2007, 02:52 PM
Honestly if you toss out our Apostolic Doctrine and the Gospel (Acts and John) and you are asking me the most important book of the Bible about just being a Christian (post salvation) 2 Peter gets my vote.
To me this is the most underrated book in the bible but when you start looking at what it says, it encompasses everything the bible as a whole talks about as far as living a clean life.
Peter even says here (ferds version) "God showed me I am about to die and here are the things I want you to remember"
It is really powerful stuff. I am teaching this right now in Sunday School and hope that the lessons I am writing, I can one day turn into a book.
My room mate and I did an indepth study of Jude, we went through all of the referance verses and almost every verse referenced to 2 Peter.... I like Peters books alot, they come across a little gentler than Paul, but then again, Paul's writings remind me of my senior pastor and Peter's writings remind me of my pastor (meaning their styles of preaching) :heeheehee
Arphaxad
02-21-2007, 03:13 PM
Ecclesiastes or Job,James
hammondb3klingon1
02-21-2007, 04:57 PM
Judith and The Apocalypse
Because I am a Catholic Jew who wants everyone else DEAD I say DEAD!!
OneAccord
02-21-2007, 05:09 PM
OT: Proverbs. Proverbs teaches a lot of "one-liners" that give us excellent guidance in, not only our relationship with God, but also in our relationships with other people.
NT: The Book of Luke. Luke gives us a most exhaustive record of the life of Christ. I figure if I just had one book on the life of Christ, I'd want the one that tells me the most about Him so I can learn to live as He lived (to the best of my ability, at least).
ReformedDave
02-21-2007, 05:17 PM
OT: Proverbs. Proverbs teaches a lot of "one-liners" that give us excellent guidance in, not only our relationship with God, but also in our relationships with other people.
NT: The Book of Luke. Luke gives us a most exhaustive record of the life of Christ. I figure if I just had one book on the life of Christ, I'd want the one that tells me the most about Him so I can learn to live as He lived (to the best of my ability, at least).
I like your choices.
crakjak
02-21-2007, 05:27 PM
If you HAD to choose just 2 books from the Bible, one from each Testament what would they be and why.
Psalms and Romans; Psalms shows intimate relationship with the almighty and Romans helps us understand that relationship.
Esther
02-22-2007, 08:28 AM
I don't see how anyone can choose anything other than one of the gospels in the NT.
Without the gospels how would you know about the birth of Jesus, the death of Jesus, the resurrection of Jesus?
It covers His ministry, miracles, etc.
I chose John because the first chapter shows He is one.
I would chose Matthew because of the Sermon on the Mount and His genelogy.
Would the other books in the NT mean as much without the gospels?
Esther
02-22-2007, 08:29 AM
Psalms and Romans; Psalms shows intimate relationship with the almighty and Romans helps us understand that relationship.
Yes, that is why I chose Psalms it teaches worshipping God. :)
Coonskinner
02-22-2007, 08:33 AM
I don't see how anyone can choose anything other than one of the gospels in the NT.
Without the gospels how would you know about the birth of Jesus, the death of Jesus, the resurrection of Jesus?
It covers His ministry, miracles, etc.
I chose John because the first chapter shows He is one.
I would chose Matthew because of the Sermon on the Mount and His genelogy.
Would the other books in the NT mean as much without the gospels?
I chose Acts because the Gospel is referenced in Acts.
Peter preached it in Acts 2--the death, burial, and resurrection.
But without Acts we would not have the plan of salvation.
So I don't know how anyone could choose anything but the book of Acts.
I chose Acts because the Gospel is referenced in Acts.
Peter preached it in Acts 2--the death, burial, and resurrection.
But without Acts we would not have the plan of salvation.
So I don't know how anyone could choose anything but the book of Acts.
Are you serious? No plan of salvation in the Gospels ... or in the epistles??? Like Romans? :dunno
Esther
02-22-2007, 08:38 AM
I chose Acts because the Gospel is referenced in Acts.
Peter preached it in Acts 2--the death, burial, and resurrection.
But without Acts we would not have the plan of salvation.
So I don't know how anyone could choose anything but the book of Acts.
That is the reason I chose Acts second because of the plan of salvation.
I will have to go read Chap 2 again, I don't remember it covering the Death, burial and resurrection.
But I do remember YOU read the gospels every day! :)
I like your response.
Because I like to know WHY someone chooses what they choose. :)
Coonskinner
02-22-2007, 08:41 AM
Are you serious? No plan of salvation in the Gospels ... or in the epistles??? Like Romans? :dunno
Romans contains a discussion of salvation from the perspective of those who are saved.
You do not find the proper response to the Gospel spelled out in as clear and distinct a manner in the Epistles as you do in Acts.
Acts records what the Apostles said to sinner.
Are you of the PCI persuasion, that is do you believe a person is saved at repentance, even before they are baptized in Jesus Name and filled with the Holy Ghost?
If so, I understand where you are coming from.
Personally, I believe the New Birth as per Acts 2:38 and John 3:5 are absolutely essential.
Esther
02-22-2007, 08:43 AM
CS you are right! It is all in Acts 2. (And I just read that entire book last week) :(
However, even though he touched on it, I wonder if we could have truly understood what it was all about without the gospels?
Goes to show we need ALL of the scriptures. :)
Thanks for your input.
Romans contains a discussion of salvation from the perspective of those who are saved.
You do not find the proper response to the Gospel spelled out in as clear and distinct a manner in the Epistles as you do in Acts.
Acts records what the Apostles said to sinner.
Are you of the PCI persuasion, that is do you believe a person is saved at repentance, even before they are baptized in Jesus Name and filled with the Holy Ghost?
If so, I understand where you are coming from.
Personally, I believe the New Birth as per Acts 2:38 and John 3:5 are absolutely essential.
CS.. .... seriously ....do you think there weren't new unsaved people sitting in these churches that Paul wrote to .... don't you think he knew this also ..... that some of the listeners were not saved ....
... perhaps it is paradigm you have for a long time that you need to examine
The general idea among PAJC OP's is that the New Testament is divided into three sections which are called: Gospels, Acts, and Epistles.
See link below for a depiction of this:
http://home.att.net/~jrd/gospelsactsepistles.gif
We were taught in a UPC Bible School, or by Search For Truth, that salvation is not found in the epistles, only in the Book of Acts. We were taught that the epistles were written to folks who were already saved so there was nothing in them that told how a person could be saved.
While I do basically agree with the way the NT is divided in that chart I do not believe that there is nothing in the epistles that references how folks were saved or how folks could get saved. This would be like saying that a preacher would not preach about salvation or refer to how folks got saved when he was preaching to the church --that he would only address something like that if he was speaking to unsaved folks. Or it would be like saying that when those epistles were read in congregations there would be no unsaved folks there to hear them. Yes, there are references in the epistles of how folks got saved and how to be saved.
A few could be Romans 10: 9-13; 1 Cor 6: 9-11; Gal 3: 26-29; Eph 1: 13-14; 2:1-10; 1 Thess 1: 4-10;1 Peter 1;18-23; 1 John 5: 1, 4-5, 13 etc. etc.
ReformedDave
02-22-2007, 08:48 AM
CS.. .... seriously ....do you think there weren't new unsaved people sitting in these churches that Paul wrote to .... don't you think he knew this also ..... that some of the listeners were not saved ....
... perhaps it is paradigm you have for a long time that you need to examine
The general idea among PAJC OP's is that the New Testament is divided into three sections which are called: Gospels, Acts, and Epistles.
See link below for a depiction of this:
http://home.att.net/~jrd/gospelsactsepistles.gif
We were taught in a UPC Bible School, or by Search For Truth, that salvation is not found in the epistles, only in the Book of Acts. We were taught that the epistles were written to folks who were already saved so there was nothing in them that told how a person could be saved.
While I do basically agree with the way the NT is divided in that chart I do not believe that there is nothing in the epistles that references how folks were saved or how folks could get saved. This would be like saying that a preacher would not preach about salvation or refer to how folks got saved when he was preaching to the church --that he would only address something like that if he was speaking to unsaved folks. Or it would be like saying that when those epistles were read in congregations there would be no unsaved folks there to hear them. Yes, there are references in the epistles of how folks got saved and how to be saved.
A few could be Romans 10: 9-13; 1 Cor 6: 9-11; Gal 3: 26-29; Eph 1: 13-14; 2:1-10; 1 Thess 1: 4-10;1 Peter 1;18-23; 1 John 5: 1, 4-5, 13 etc. etc.
What we need to do is partition parts of scripture off to the saved and the unsaved. I suppose the the 'law books' of the OT are just for Jews.
rrford
02-22-2007, 08:54 AM
I chose Acts because the Gospel is referenced in Acts.
Peter preached it in Acts 2--the death, burial, and resurrection.
But without Acts we would not have the plan of salvation.
So I don't know how anyone could choose anything but the book of Acts.
I chose Romans because it seems to cover it all: Old Testament; Law; Prophets; Gospels; Churches; Salvation; Eternity.
rrford
02-22-2007, 08:55 AM
CS.. .... seriously ....do you think there weren't new unsaved people sitting in these churches that Paul wrote to .... don't you think he knew this also ..... that some of the listeners were not saved ....
... perhaps it is paradigm you have for a long time that you need to examine
The general idea among PAJC OP's is that the New Testament is divided into three sections which are called: Gospels, Acts, and Epistles.
See link below for a depiction of this:
http://home.att.net/~jrd/gospelsactsepistles.gif
We were taught in a UPC Bible School, or by Search For Truth, that salvation is not found in the epistles, only in the Book of Acts. We were taught that the epistles were written to folks who were already saved so there was nothing in them that told how a person could be saved.
While I do basically agree with the way the NT is divided in that chart I do not believe that there is nothing in the epistles that references how folks were saved or how folks could get saved. This would be like saying that a preacher would not preach about salvation or refer to how folks got saved when he was preaching to the church --that he would only address something like that if he was speaking to unsaved folks. Or it would be like saying that when those epistles were read in congregations there would be no unsaved folks there to hear them. Yes, there are references in the epistles of how folks got saved and how to be saved.
A few could be Romans 10: 9-13; 1 Cor 6: 9-11; Gal 3: 26-29; Eph 1: 13-14; 2:1-10; 1 Thess 1: 4-10;1 Peter 1;18-23; 1 John 5: 1, 4-5, 13 etc. etc.
Really? Which UPCI Bible School did you attend? If they are teaching that then I want to make sure my daughter DOES NOT go there.
CS.. .... seriously ....do you think there weren't new unsaved people sitting in these churches that Paul wrote to .... don't you think he knew this also ..... that some of the listeners were not saved ....
... perhaps it is paradigm you have for a long time that you need to examine
The general idea among PAJC OP's is that the New Testament is divided into three sections which are called: Gospels, Acts, and Epistles.
See link below for a depiction of this:
http://home.att.net/~jrd/gospelsactsepistles.gif
We were taught in a UPC Bible School, or by Search For Truth, that salvation is not found in the epistles, only in the Book of Acts. We were taught that the epistles were written to folks who were already saved so there was nothing in them that told how a person could be saved.
While I do basically agree with the way the NT is divided in that chart I do not believe that there is nothing in the epistles that references how folks were saved or how folks could get saved. This would be like saying that a preacher would not preach about salvation or refer to how folks got saved when he was preaching to the church --that he would only address something like that if he was speaking to unsaved folks. Or it would be like saying that when those epistles were read in congregations there would be no unsaved folks there to hear them. Yes, there are references in the epistles of how folks got saved and how to be saved.
A few could be Romans 10: 9-13; 1 Cor 6: 9-11; Gal 3: 26-29; Eph 1: 13-14; 2:1-10; 1 Thess 1: 4-10;1 Peter 1;18-23; 1 John 5: 1, 4-5, 13 etc. etc.
Why didnt Paul tell those fellows in Acts 19 what he said in Romans 10?
and who did Paul address Romans to?
I chose Romans because it seems to cover it all: Old Testament; Law; Prophets; Gospels; Churches; Salvation; Eternity.
I cheated and picked 3 from each. sorry cant do one.
Are you of the PCI persuasion, that is do you believe a person is saved at repentance, even before they are baptized in Jesus Name and filled with the Holy Ghost?
I am of the "Jesus saves me" persuasion. I believed we are saved through faith ... salvation and new life was made available to us at Calvary and His Resurrection... starting with repentance and confession, we continue in a faith walk ... from faith to faith ... obeying all of His commandments ... not centering on just one.
Timothy:
3:14 But you remain in the things which you have learned and have been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them. 3:15 From infancy, you have known the holy Scriptures which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith, which is in Christ Jesus. 3:16 Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness, 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Really? Which UPCI Bible School did you attend? If they are teaching that then I want to make sure my daughter DOES NOT go there.
A generic we ... CS ....:drawguns :tease
Esther
02-22-2007, 09:00 AM
I cheated and picked 3 from each. sorry cant do one.
Wimp! :heeheehee
We did it. Your almost there, just pick from the 3 you have narrowed it down to.
rrford
02-22-2007, 09:00 AM
A generic we ... CS ....:drawguns :tease
Oh. So you really do not know that any UPCI Bible College teaches that, correct? Bro. I gotta say that is a horrible assumption to make and to state.
Oh. So you really do not know that any UPCI Bible College teaches that, correct? Bro. I gotta say that is a horrible assumption to make and to state.
R U saying that no UPCI school at anytime has taught this?? ....please. You got to love absolutes. :killinme
Coonskinner
02-22-2007, 09:03 AM
I am of the "Jesus saves me" persuasion. I believed we are saved through faith ... salvation and new life was made available to us at Calvary and His Resurrection... starting with repentance and confession, we continue in a faith walk ... from faith to faith ... obeying all of His commandments ... not centering on just one.
Timothy:
3:14 But you remain in the things which you have learned and have been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them. 3:15 From infancy, you have known the holy Scriptures which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith, which is in Christ Jesus. 3:16 Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness, 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
All of us believe Jesus saves us.
This is obfuscation in my opinion.
In the book of Acts they didn't stutter.
It was repentance, baptism in Jesus Name, and the Holy Ghost.
All of us believe Jesus saves us.
This is obfuscation in my opinion.
In the book of Acts they didn't stutter.
It was repentance, baptism in Jesus Name, and the Holy Ghost.
A 3 step car wash is all I need ??? And I'm ready to go ....????? for all time??? :killinme
I am of the "Jesus saves me" persuasion. I believed we are saved through faith ... salvation and new life was made available to us at Calvary and His Resurrection... starting with repentance and confession, we continue in a faith walk ... from faith to faith ... obeying all of His commandments ... not centering on just one.
Timothy:
3:14 But you remain in the things which you have learned and have been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them. 3:15 From infancy, you have known the holy Scriptures which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith, which is in Christ Jesus. 3:16 Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness, 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
All scripture Daniel. last I checked Peters reply to the question "what shall we do" is still considered scripture.
Coonskinner
02-22-2007, 09:08 AM
A 3 step car wash is all I need ??? And I'm ready to go ....????? for all time??? :killinme
Of course not, and you know that is a mischaracterization.
The New Birth is the begiining, the entrance to the Kingdom.
Without it, you aren't even in the race.
All scripture Daniel. last I checked Peters reply to the question "what shall we do" is still considered scripture.
back to the holy grail????
Esther
02-22-2007, 09:09 AM
Of course not, and you know that is a mischaracterization.
The New Birth is the begiining, the entrance to the Kingdom.
Without it, you aren't even in the race.
Agreed!
back to the holy grail????
I see that instead of dealing with the questions you are mocking? nice.
Coonskinner
02-22-2007, 09:12 AM
I see that instead of dealing with the questions you are mocking? nice.
Wonderful when people outgrow the message that opens the door to the kingdom.
Maybe that is the "Revolution."
Wonderful when people outgrow the message that opens the door to the kingdom.
Maybe that is the "Revolution."
i want nothing to do with the revolution.
I dont mind discussing the subject. but I wont stoop to mocking.
Esther
02-22-2007, 09:29 AM
i want nothing to do with the revolution.
I dont mind discussing the subject. but I wont stoop to mocking.
I see that happening when they can't give you an intelligent answer.
Wonderful when people outgrow the message that opens the door to the kingdom.
Maybe that is the "Revolution."
I love and believe the Gospel message, Acts 2:38 ..CS ... but we don't stay "stuck" on it only[please don't mischaracterize] ...
Hebrews 6:
Therefore, let us leave behind the basic teaching about Christ and advance to maturity, without laying the foundation all over again: repentance from dead works and faith in God,
2
instruction about baptisms 1 and laying on of hands, resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment.
3
And we shall do this, if only God permits.
4
For it is impossible in the case of those who have once been enlightened and tasted the heavenly gift 2 and shared in the holy Spirit
5
and tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 3
6
and then have fallen away, to bring them to repentance again, since they are recrucifying the Son of God for themselves 4 and holding him up to contempt.
7
Ground that has absorbed the rain falling upon it repeatedly and brings forth crops useful to those for whom it is cultivated receives a blessing from God.
8
But if it produces thorns and thistles, it is rejected; it will soon be cursed and finally burned.
9
But we are sure in your regard, beloved, of better things related to salvation, even though we speak in this way.
Coonskinner
02-22-2007, 09:32 AM
I love and believe the Gospel message, Acts 2:38 ..CS ... but we don't stay "stuck" on it only[please don't mischaracterize] ...
Hebrews 6:
Therefore, let us leave behind the basic teaching about Christ and advance to maturity, without laying the foundation all over again: repentance from dead works and faith in God,
2
instruction about baptisms 1 and laying on of hands, resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment.
3
And we shall do this, if only God permits.
4
For it is impossible in the case of those who have once been enlightened and tasted the heavenly gift 2 and shared in the holy Spirit
5
and tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 3
6
and then have fallen away, to bring them to repentance again, since they are recrucifying the Son of God for themselves 4 and holding him up to contempt.
7
Ground that has absorbed the rain falling upon it repeatedly and brings forth crops useful to those for whom it is cultivated receives a blessing from God.
8
But if it produces thorns and thistles, it is rejected; it will soon be cursed and finally burned.
9
But we are sure in your regard, beloved, of better things related to salvation, even though we speak in this way.
This strawman of being "stuck" on Acts 2:38 won't fly, Brother.
I preach and teach many, many other things.
But no one enters the Kingdom without obeying Acts 2:38 in its fullness.
This is the answer to the great question, "What shall we do?"
You are never going to get so advanced that you have a better answer for sinners seeking to enter the Kingdom.
Coonskinner
02-22-2007, 09:33 AM
i want nothing to do with the revolution.
I dont mind discussing the subject. but I wont stoop to mocking.
Same here.
When you start trodding on the message, I'm done.
Daniel, it is almost an offense to suggest that we who hold the Water Spirit doctrine, are stuck on one verse of scripture. that is asinine.
if you are willing to leave the slander out of it, I think you will find more than a few willing to engage in an honest and open discussion.
Same here.
When you start trodding on the message, I'm done.
No one has trodded the message ... CS ... Acts 2:38 is only part of the message.... not ALL of it ... the message can found from Genesis through Revelation .... and knowing Him in His power, resurrection and the fellowship of His suffering .... Please accept my apologies if you are offended ... and Esther ... I have plenty of intelligence.
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Daniel, it is almost an offense to suggest that we who hold the Water Spirit doctrine, are stuck on one verse of scripture. that is asinine.
if you are willing to leave the slander out of it, I think you will find more than a few willing to engage in an honest and open discussion.
The slander ... goes both ways Ferd ... but I will engage in an honest and open discussion .... :ty
If you HAD to choose just 2 books from the Bible, one from each Testament what would they be and why.Genesis and Romans. Genesis because it shows how man got into his present predicament and Romans because it shows us how to get out of that predicament.
Coonskinner
02-22-2007, 09:45 AM
No one has trodded the message ... CS ... Acts 2:38 is only part of the message.... not ALL of it ... the message can found from Genesis through Revelation .... and knowing Him in His power, resurrection and the fellowship of His suffering .... Please accept my apologies if you are offended ... and Esther ... I have plenty of intelligence.
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Loads of humility too.
Theresa
02-22-2007, 09:45 AM
are we picking two as in, we know what is in the rest like Genesis the gospels and acts?? b/c in the OT I love proverbs - it's got so much wisdom and encouragement for day to day stuff...and then I'm really partial to Hebrews and James - it also really tells it like it is and is so helpful with day to day stuff.
this isnt as in "what two books would you have to have it the others say, went away".....cause that just isnt possible.
I love the others, but I dont have to re-read the gospels or Genesis to solidify what I beleive or salvation - but some of the other stuff, I read it every day to slap myself back into reality.
Phillippians, how could I not choose Phillippians....
I cant pick
The slander ... goes both ways Ferd ... but I will engage in an honest and open discussion .... :ty
Daniel, have you or your position been slanderd today in this thread?
Coonskinner
02-22-2007, 09:46 AM
Calling Acts 2:38 "The Holy Grail" is mockery and slander.
Comparing Peter to Monty Python isn't my idea of "plenty of intelligence."
Loads of humility too.
I'm humble enough to recognize my own shortcoming ... or mockery ... what sayest thou???
Coonskinner
02-22-2007, 09:50 AM
I humble enough to recognize my own shortcoming ... or mockery ... what sayest thou???
I have sayest about all i am going to say.
I love to converse with people moving toward Truth.
I am less enamored of interacting with those who appear to be going the other direction.
I happen to have a little idea of how you were raised and the doctrine you were taught by your wonderful father.
rrford
02-22-2007, 09:51 AM
R U saying that no UPCI school at anytime has taught this?? ....please. You got to love absolutes. :killinme
I don't have to prove they never has as I am not the one who made an assumption that cast a negative aspersion. Nice side step Bro. Doesn't do much to admitting your error, though. :killinme
Coonskinner
02-22-2007, 09:53 AM
I believe S.G. Norris was well known for his teaching on Gospels, Acts, and Epistles.
rrford
02-22-2007, 09:55 AM
I believe S.G. Norris was well known for his teaching on Gospels, Acts, and Epistles.
As was/is David K. Bernard. And Daniel Seagraves. And Paul Mooney. And Jerry Ensey. And Robin Johnston. And Bro. Dugas. And Bro. T.L. Craft. And Jonathan Urshan. And Talmadge French. And O.C. Marler. And David hunt. And on and on and on and on. All Bible College instructors I know of taught all of them. Go figure...
I have sayest about all i am going to say.
I love to converse with people moving toward Truth.
I am less enamored of interacting with those who appear to be going the other direction.
I happen to have a little idea of how you were raised and the doctrine you were taught by your wonderful father.
then you would know he taught salvation as relationship CS.
rrford
02-22-2007, 09:56 AM
then you would know he taught salvation as relationship CS.
But relationship is not a given. It starts somewhere. Hello, Acts 2:38.
Felicity
02-22-2007, 10:21 AM
If you HAD to choose just 2 books from the Bible, one from each Testament what would they be and why.Depends on the purpose for choosing just 2.
If the choosing was based on the books I love the most it would be very very difficult to choose only two. Certainly at the top of the list would be Isaiah from the OT. And from the NT I love James, and 1,2,3rd John. I know they're not deep or lengthy but they are very rich I think.
If the purpose for choosing only 2 was out of necessity - and I could have no others then I have to think more on that. Still haven't come to a conclusion. :)
Theresa
02-22-2007, 10:27 AM
Depends on the purpose for choosing just 2.
If the choosing was based on the books I love the most it would be very very difficult to choose only two. Certainly at the top of the list would be Isaiah from the OT. And from the NT I love James, and 1,2,3rd John. I know they're not deep or lengthy but they are very rich I think.
If the purpose for choosing only 2 was out of necessity - and I could have no others then I have to think more on that. Still haven't come to a conclusion. :)
I totally agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReformedDave
02-22-2007, 01:54 PM
Depends on the purpose for choosing just 2.
If the choosing was based on the books I love the most it would be very very difficult to choose only two. Certainly at the top of the list would be Isaiah from the OT. And from the NT I love James, and 1,2,3rd John. I know they're not deep or lengthy but they are very rich I think.
If the purpose for choosing only 2 was out of necessity - and I could have no others then I have to think more on that. Still haven't come to a conclusion. :)
What I should have said is two books, one from each Testament that represent the message of Scripture in as complete a form as possible. That's why I chose Genesis(protoevangelion ) as it tells how we've got to where we are and one of the gospels, probably John, to show how Christ is THE answer.
Calling Acts 2:38 "The Holy Grail" is mockery and slander.
Comparing Peter to Monty Python isn't my idea of "plenty of intelligence."
CS ... I never called Acts 2:38 the Holy Grail but questioned some that perceive it to be .... And never compared Peter to Monty Python ... you must have me confused me with someone else.
CS ... I never called Acts 2:38 the Holy Grail but questioned some that perceive it to be .... And never compared Peter to Monty Python ... you must have me confused me with someone else.
right! you accused me of preceiving it as the Holy Grail. did you not even begin to look at my other posts in this thread? you still have not answerd any of the questions I asked.
Newman
02-22-2007, 05:18 PM
If you HAD to choose just 2 books from the Bible, one from each Testament what would they be and why.
I would choose Proverbs because it is a recipe for success and successful relationships in this life and Acts because it demonstrates how our lives (and world history) have been forever altered by the cross.
If I could sneak in a third book; it would be 1 Corinthians! :heeheehee (Because it shows how to influence people and demonstrates charity in practice). :cool:
hammondb3klingon1
02-22-2007, 06:32 PM
Judith still rocks and of course .... Titus Why you say because it rolls of the tongue nicely
Nahum
02-22-2007, 07:29 PM
My favorite OT book is Nehemiah. Lots of excitement and always working and building in it. Powerful story of restoration.
I love prophecy, so my favorite NT book to read and study is Revelation.
Esther
02-28-2007, 08:37 AM
I would choose Proverbs because it is a recipe for success and successful relationships in this life and Acts because it demonstrates how our lives (and world history) have been forever altered by the cross.
If I could sneak in a third book; it would be 1 Corinthians! :heeheehee (Because it shows how to influence people and demonstrates charity in practice). :cool:
I agree Proverbs is an excellent read. :) And should read it daily.
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