Duck Dynasty Star Booted

[Hoovie]

Basically all he did was quote scripture!
Speaking with GQ, Robertson lamented that when "everything is blurred on what's right and what's wrong ... sin becomes fine." So just what qualifies as sinful in his book?

"Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there — bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men," he declared.

Phil probably should have cut himself off at this point (considering he's a national TV star), but instead he paraphrased Corinthians. "Don't be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers — they won’t inherit the kingdom of God," he warned. "Don't deceive yourself. It's not right."



http://tv.yahoo.com/blogs/tv-news/-duck-dynasty--star-s-anti-gay-remarks-spark-outrage-134231650.html

[Michael The Disciple]

I hope the group of them stand firm. Finally someone has spoken up!

[Pressing-On]

Phil's response after the Hiatus was handed down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWp1VOFQxKg

[Pressing-On]

Tweets:

From Sarah Palin:

Free speech is endangered species; those "intolerants" hatin' & taking on Duck Dynasty patriarch for voicing personal opinion take on us all

#ThatAwkwardMoment when way more people watch a single episode of Duck Dynasty than have signed up for Obamacare...

So, #DuckDynasty takes off like wildfire because the Robertsons are true Americana and A&E suspends them for that? Idiots.

Welcome to the age of #LGBT fascism. A&E has reportedly fired Duck Dynasty's Phil Robertson for speaking blunt truth about homosexual sin

#BOYCOTT @AETV FOR DENYING PHIL ROBERTSON of @DuckDynastyAE HIS RIGHT TO FREEDOM of SPEECH

[Hoovie]

lol!

[Pressing-On]

"Dear A&E: There are more duck hunters than there are GLAAD members. Good luck with your ratings. And, hey, coexist, Jack!”

"Tolerance is allowed unless you are a white married heterosexual christian man"

"I stand with Phil Robertson... Period!!"

Hannity will be talking about Duck Dynasty on his program tonight.

"Wearing camo tomorrow to support Phil Robertson"

[Pressing-On]

Boycott A&E Until Phil Robertson Is Put Back On Duck Dynasty FB page over 20K likes in under 20 minutes... http://fb.me/3hfvFIiLZ

[Pressing-On]

"Gays Get A&E To Fire ‘Duck Dynasty’ Star For Saying He Is Not Sexually Attracted To Men, Quoting The Bible"

"Phil may have offended some people who didn't watch the show but by suspending him @AETV offended most of the people who do."

"I'll pick the Bible over @AETV any day- A&E suspends Duck Dynasty’s Phil Robertson for agreeing with the Bible."

"If @GLAAD cared about homosexual's treatment, they'd have called out Alec Baldwin and Islam before #DuckDynasty"

[Pressing-On]

Article from GQ:

What the Duck?

http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson?currentPage=1

[jfrog]

Freedom of speech. Freedom of a and e to fire him if they want unless it's on a prohibited basis. Seems to me like the bigger problem is that they are discriminating against him for his religious views...

[*AQuietPlace*]

A&E's response should have been:

"Phil Robertson does not express the views of A&E, but he has the right to express his own views and beliefs."

As if.

They've just caused a firestorm by taking this action.

Is the Bible really going to be considered hate speech now?

[n david]

When his comments to GQ hit DrudgeReport, and GLAAD issued their statement, I told a friend to watch how long it took A&E to react against him. Barely a few hours passed and they issued their dumb statement essentially putting him on leave from the show.

Makes me furious that such a small percentage has this much power.

I would love for the Robertson's to pull out of the contract with A&E and go on another channel.

As Larry the Cable Guy says, "What is this, Russia?"

[votivesoul]

Kind of hard to have a reality show based on the life of a person who isn't allowed onto the very show created around the reality of his life.

[Pressing-On]

When his comments to GQ hit DrudgeReport, and GLAAD issued their statement, I told a friend to watch how long it took A&E to react against him. Barely a few hours passed and they issued their dumb statement essentially putting him on leave from the show.

Makes me furious that such a small percentage has this much power.

I would love for the Robertson's to pull out of the contract with A&E and go on another channel.

As Larry the Cable Guy says, "What is this, Russia?"

I expected they would do something about it as well. And I agree - it makes me furious that such a small percentage have this much power. Mainly, the left media.

This panel with Megan Kelly really lines it out - the gay person is saying it is "hate speech". To preach the Bible is "hate speech" in his mind.

"It's time we stop agreeing that religion can be used to spew hate and cause people to feel bad about themselves."

LOL! We sure don't want to feel convicted of anything now, do we?

Although this guy is on the wrong side of our 1st Amendment rights, I feel the church needs to check itself on how we deliver our views of sin. For instance, I believe it comes across, many times, as hateful to say, "God didn't make Adam and Steve....." Sometimes, JMO, it comes across as though there is no way of deliverance, and then we pile on a little more fear of our environment. Of course, that is just me and the impression I get when I hear those words.

Megyn Kelly Panel Discusses A & E Suspending “Duck Dynasty’s” Phil Robertson; “Word Police” Run Amok – Video 12/18/13

Essentially, the Left is saying you can have your private religious beliefs, but in America now, you cannot say what you believe. That is NOT what the First Amendment is all about.

And while Phil's wording of his view of a man and woman's body was rather "redneck", he is saying what a lot of straight people have been thinking all along.

He also never equated homosexuality with beastiality. He merely ticked off a list of sinful practices.

[n david]

Let's face the facts. The media and companies aren't afraid to upset Christians because they know Christians will do nothing about it. Oh sure, we'll complain on Facebook or internet forums, but we won't rise as one against them and make them pay for it by refusing to shop at stores, purchase goods, or watch networks which support this.

As much as I would love to see them do so, the Robertson's will not boycott the show. The show will complete its season, and then A&E will let it drop from programming. A&E knows it just has to weather a couple days of Facebook posts, then everything will be fine and Christians will still watch the show.

[Pressing-On]

Dec 19, 2013
Gov. Jindal on Phil Robertson Suspension: I Remember When TV Networks Believed in 1st Amendment

BATON ROUGE – Governor Bobby Jindal issued a statement this morning following the news of Phil Robertson being suspended by A&E from the show Duck Dynasty.

Governor Jindal said, “Phil Robertson and his family are great citizens of the State of Louisiana. The politically correct crowd is tolerant of all viewpoints, except those they disagree with. I don’t agree with quite a bit of stuff I read in magazine interviews or see on TV. In fact, come to think of it, I find a good bit of it offensive. But I also acknowledge that this is a free country and everyone is entitled to express their views. In fact, I remember when TV networks believed in the First Amendment. It is a messed up situation when Miley Cyrus gets a laugh, and Phil Robertson gets suspended "

http://gov.louisiana.gov/index.cfm?md=newsroom&tmp=detail&catID=2&articleID=4374

[Pressing-On]

Let's face the facts. The media and companies aren't afraid to upset Christians because they know Christians will do nothing about it. Oh sure, we'll complain on Facebook or internet forums, but we won't rise as one against them and make them pay for it by refusing to shop at stores, purchase goods, or watch networks which support this.

As much as I would love to see them do so, the Robertson's will not boycott the show. The show will complete its season, and then A&E will let it drop from programming. A&E knows it just has to weather a couple days of Facebook posts, then everything will be fine and Christians will still watch the show.

A&E List of Advertisers: Hit the Network Where it Hurts-The Wallet!

Sensodyne
T-Mobile
Samsung
Motorola
Walgreens
IHOP
Macy’s
Nokia
Microsoft
Verizon
Bass Pro Shops

http://www.libertyjuice.com/2013/12/19/ae-list-of-advertisers-hit-the-network-where-it-hurts-the-wallet/

[n david]

A&E List of Advertisers: Hit the Network Where it Hurts-The Wallet!

Sensodyne
T-Mobile
Samsung
Motorola
Walgreens
IHOP
Macy’s
Nokia
Microsoft
Verizon
Bass Pro Shops

http://www.libertyjuice.com/2013/12/19/ae-list-of-advertisers-hit-the-network-where-it-hurts-the-wallet/
I don't use Sensodyne, I have Sprint - not Verizon or T-Mobile - (unfortunately), I don't eat at IHOP, don't shop at Macy's, don't have a pc at home, I hate Motorola anyway, don't really shop at Bass Pro Shops...but I do buy from Walgreen's there's one conveniently located right across from where we live.

I doubt people will cancel their cell phone plans to protest A&E.

[Pressing-On]

I don't use Sensodyne, I have Sprint - not Verizon or T-Mobile - (unfortunately), I don't eat at IHOP, don't shop at Macy's, don't have a pc at home, I hate Motorola anyway, don't really shop at Bass Pro Shops...but I do buy from Walgreen's there's one conveniently located right across from where we live.

I doubt people will cancel their cell phone plans to protest A&E.

Right, I won't be cancelling my T-mobile and we do shop at Bass Pro Shop. As a matter of fact, our son bought his dad some Duck Dynasty boxers as a gag gift for Christmas. LOL! He called and said, "I'm at Bass Pro shop. What can I get dad?" My response, "DO NOT buy him a shirt with the Duck boys on it." :heeheehee

I shop at Macy's, but don't have to. Never eat at IHOP. Sensodyne doesn't work anyway, so that's out. I can stop going to Walgreens, which I rarely do anyway. Microsoft, can't do anything about that. Love my Dell with Microsoft.

[Pressing-On]

Here is where we are today.

‘Duck Dynasty’ vs. ‘Pajama Boy’: Two Americas?

http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/18/duck-dynasty-vs-pajama-boy-two-americas/

‘You will be made to care’

http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Screen-shot-2013-12-19-at-9.06.56-AM-e1387462065121.png
http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/19/you-will-be-made-to-care/#ixzz2nvn3SC00

"You’re either in the Duck Dynasty camp or the 'Pajama Boy' camp. Somebody WILL lose." Merry Christmas!"

[Pressing-On]

From Herman Cain.

Politics: Phil Robertson can't cite Scripture, but these prancing dudes are brought to you by ObamaCare!

The site itself is all about directing the homosexual population into signing up for ObamaCare, and sure, that's their right. If they want to make a video of dudes in their skivvies checking each other out while some girl butchers a song that was butchery to begin with, the First Amendment covers them too, just like it covers Phil Robertson.

http://www.caintv.com/phil-robertson-cant-cite-scrip

[Pressing-On]

:toofunny

Twitter:

"Just saw Phil's add on Craigslist: Married White Male seeking tolerant network for hit tv series."

[n david]

BTW, the new DD season begins Jan 28th. Filming is already done and over with, so this move by A&E is even more stupid as it does absolutely nothing to keep Phil off the air this up-coming season. Of course they could go and post-edit Phil out of scenes already filmed, but that would be very hard to do before Jan 28th, not to mention it would leave gaps in the shows.

[Pressing-On]

CNN Falsely Claims 'Duck Dynasty's' Roberts Compared Bestiality to Homosexuality

And here is something else Robertson said that is getting almost no media play:

Our culture has accepted two huge lies. The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/12/19/cnn-falsely-claims-duck-dynasty-roberts-compared-bestiality-to-gays

[Pressing-On]

Dennis Miller comments on Phil's suspension, Miller style. :thumbsup

It's time for all of us to sit down and have a talk about free spe
—
Dennis Miller Show (@DennisDMZ) December 19, 2013

And on a side note from Miller:

"While Obamacare is definitely the worst roll out of the year, Romo to his left is a close second."

True that! :thumbsup :heeheehee

[*AQuietPlace*]

I don't use Sensodyne, I have Sprint - not Verizon or T-Mobile - (unfortunately), I don't eat at IHOP, don't shop at Macy's, don't have a pc at home, I hate Motorola anyway, don't really shop at Bass Pro Shops...but I do buy from Walgreen's there's one conveniently located right across from where we live.

I doubt people will cancel their cell phone plans to protest A&E.



You don't have to boycott anyone to make your thoughts known. You can simply call the advertisers and let them know what you think. Enough phone calls WILL affect what they do, because they don't want bad p.r.

[n david]

A&E picked the wrong side to back on this...

Even Brandon Ambrosino, a gay writer for Time Magazine wrote "The ‘Duck Dynasty’ Fiasco Says More About Our Bigotry Than Phil’s. Why is our go-to political strategy for beating our opponents to silence them? Why do we dismiss, rather than engage them?"

"It’s quite possible to throw one’s political support behind traditional, heterosexual marriage, and yet not be bigoted."

"GK Chesterton said that bigotry is “an incapacity to conceive seriously the alternative to a proposition.” If he is right—and he usually is—then I wonder if the Duck Dynasty fiasco says more about our bigotry than Phil’s."

BAM! Thank you, Mr. Ambrosino!

Source Link (http://ideas.time.com/2013/12/19/the-duck-dynasty-fiasco-says-more-about-our-bigotry-than-phils/)

[MawMaw]

A&E List of Advertisers: Hit the Network Where it Hurts-The Wallet!

Sensodyne
T-Mobile
Samsung
Motorola
Walgreens
IHOP
Macy’s
Nokia
Microsoft
Verizon
Bass Pro Shops

http://www.libertyjuice.com/2013/12/19/ae-list-of-advertisers-hit-the-network-where-it-hurts-the-wallet/

You don't have to boycott anyone to make your thoughts known. You can simply call the advertisers and let them know what you think. Enough phone calls WILL affect what they do, because they don't want bad p.r.

Yep, calls and emails do seem to make a difference to advertisers!
Ask AFA and One Million Moms! :nod

www.afa.net
www.onemillionmoms.com

[Tina]

Am I the ONLY person who has never watched an episode of Duck Dynasty? I'm just frustrated because dozens of folks on my facebook newsfeed have Photos of this guy in the place of their regular photos and now I can't just look at the photo to know who said what.. I have to read the names on every post. LOL

[n david]

Am I the ONLY person who has never watched an episode of Duck Dynasty?
Say it ain't so!!! :lol

[MawMaw]

Am I the ONLY person who has never watched an episode of Duck Dynasty? I'm just frustrated because dozens of folks on my facebook newsfeed have Photos of this guy in the place of their regular photos and now I can't just look at the photo to know who said what.. I have to read the names on every post. LOL

I could say that a while back, but, I got curious
and watched a snippett of an episode on youtube. :heeheehee

Not a show I would watch all the time, and I'm not sure which one is which, but, I'm glad Phil did stand up for a law of the Bible. :thumbsup

[TGBTG]

Am I the ONLY person who has never watched an episode of Duck Dynasty? I'm just frustrated because dozens of folks on my facebook newsfeed have Photos of this guy in the place of their regular photos and now I can't just look at the photo to know who said what.. I have to read the names on every post. LOL

Ditto

[Pressing-On]

Yep, calls and emails do seem to make a difference to advertisers!
Ask AFA and One Million Moms! :nod

www.afa.net
www.onemillionmoms.com
They all start out with requests for calling and emails, but in the back pocket lies the boycott, ready to be whipped out.

. In a move that can only be explained as being "fashionably late" (after over a week’s worth of uncharacteristic but welcome silence), the Moms are back with their second boycott in one month against the Walt Disney Company.
http://www.edgeonthenet.com/entertainment/television/shows/146598/two_moms_cause_one_million_moms_to_boycott_disney_ channel

One Million Moms Says ‘So Long Amazon’
In a move rivaling the American Family Association’s proposed Google boycott, One Million Moms is encouraging followers to say, “So long Amazon.”
http://www.hrc.org/blog/entry/one-million-moms-says-so-long-amazon

The anti-LGBT American Family Association is considering a boycott of all Google products in response to the company’s recently launched Legalize Love campaign.
http://www.hrc.org/blog/entry/american-family-association-considers-google-boycott

[Pressing-On]

Am I the ONLY person who has never watched an episode of Duck Dynasty? I'm just frustrated because dozens of folks on my facebook newsfeed have Photos of this guy in the place of their regular photos and now I can't just look at the photo to know who said what.. I have to read the names on every post. LOL

LOL! I have seen a few. I don't have the patience to sit through a whole episode. My husband likes them like he does Tim Allen in Last Man Standing - they don't act like sissies. Something hard to find in entertainment these days. And you don't have the women taking the lead like most of the cop, detective shows, etc.

[Pressing-On]

I really like this article. This, IMO, is more important that acting militant about it.

“Duck Dynasty”: Let’s Deal in Real Reality

This doesn’t mean we should bury our heads in the sand about genuine free speech and free exercise violations in our theoretically free nation; it just means we ought to be more circumspect than reactionary, more wise than whiny, more joyful than outraged. As “reality” just got the ironic quote-marks taken off of it, maybe this cultural shifting will serve towards a sifting of the “real” Christians from the real ones, the cultural from the Spiritual. Evangelicals need to get real.

http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/gospeldrivenchurch/2013/12/19/duck-dynasty-lets-deal-in-real-reality/

[Timmy]

I know you are all waiting for the Voice of Reason, so here I am. :heeheehee

1. This is not a First Amendment issue. No private entity is obligated to provide a platform for free speech.

2. It was probably unwise (though perfectly legal) of Discovery to boot the guy, but this remains to be seen. My prediction: they will let him back on the show.

3. You don't want to know what my opinion of his opinion is. :heeheehee (Though, of course, you probably do know. :lol) And, of course, AFF is not obligated to provide a platform for my opinion. ;)

[Timmy]

BTW, you're welcome: :lol

[Pressing-On]

I know you are all waiting for the Voice of Reason, so here I am. :heeheehee

1. This is not a First Amendment issue. No private entity is obligated to provide a platform for free speech.

2. It was probably unwise (though perfectly legal) of Discovery to boot the guy, but this remains to be seen. My prediction: they will let him back on the show.

3. You don't want to know what my opinion of his opinion is. :heeheehee (Though, of course, you probably do know. :lol) And, of course, AFF is not obligated to provide a platform for my opinion. ;)
It might not technically be a 1st Amendment issue, but it certainly is a violation of anti-discriminatory laws.

I'd have to read their contract, but I do know that Phil has spoken up about the producers not wanting them to use Jesus' name so as not to offend. They have left that in, so there isn't any discrimination on the producers part to continue allowing it. His quoting scripture is anti-discriminatory and follows closely, in the opposite direction, the Cake Baker who was forced to provide cakes for gay weddings.

We will have to see how all of this plays out. If the Duck Boys handle this right, it could be a huge game changer.

[MissBrattified]

CNN Falsely Claims 'Duck Dynasty's' Roberts Compared Bestiality to Homosexuality

And here is something else Robertson said that is getting almost no media play:



http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/12/19/cnn-falsely-claims-duck-dynasty-roberts-compared-bestiality-to-gays

I think Phil sort of did compare homosexuality to promiscuity and bestiality, but I don't really care that he did. He said, "Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong… Sin becomes fine. Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men."

I also like what he said about sin not being logical, but the quote is too explicit to post here. :D (found at the same link you posted)

[n david]

I know you are all waiting for the Voice of Reason, so here I am. :heeheehee

1. This is not a First Amendment issue. No private entity is obligated to provide a platform for free speech.

2. It was probably unwise (though perfectly legal) of Discovery to boot the guy, but this remains to be seen. My prediction: they will let him back on the show.

3. You don't want to know what my opinion of his opinion is. :heeheehee (Though, of course, you probably do know. :lol) And, of course, AFF is not obligated to provide a platform for my opinion. ;)
1) Every employer is required to abide by the Civil Rights Act, which includes safeguards against religious discrimination. Robertson was suspended or fired for quoting a Bible verse and giving his personal, religious views. That is illegal.

2) It wasn't Discovery, it was A&E, but who cares; you're right, they "acted stupidly" (to coin an obama phrase) and had a knee-jerk reaction instead of making a calculated decision.

3) It may still be a free country with free speech, unless said speech is personal or religious beliefs against a certain, very small, but very vocal percentage of America.

[n david]

I really like this article. This, IMO, is more important that acting militant about it.

“Duck Dynasty”: Let’s Deal in Real Reality

This doesn’t mean we should bury our heads in the sand about genuine free speech and free exercise violations in our theoretically free nation; it just means we ought to be more circumspect than reactionary, more wise than whiny, more joyful than outraged. As “reality” just got the ironic quote-marks taken off of it, maybe this cultural shifting will serve towards a sifting of the “real” Christians from the real ones, the cultural from the Spiritual. Evangelicals need to get real.

http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/gospeldrivenchurch/2013/12/19/duck-dynasty-lets-deal-in-real-reality/
Bleh...if the writer was in politics, he'd be pushing for the moderate Republican.

He's completely off with his points, speaking of which, he totally skipped #4. Look at the article, there's a 1), 2), 3), and 5)...no 4).

#1 isn't the issue. A&E and the guys know how to brand the show. What A&E did wasn't about branding, it was about censorship and illegally penalizing Phil for his religious opinions.

#2 isn't the issue either. It's just rank amateur to write something like that. No kidding, Sherlock. But the law does institute safeguards against religious discrimination.

#3 is just a mess. Not sure what he point is, and he probably forgot what the point was.

After that, I just don't care what this guy writes.

Dumb.

[Timmy]

1) Every employer is required to abide by the Civil Rights Act, which includes safeguards against religious discrimination. Robertson was suspended or fired for quoting a Bible verse and giving his personal, religious views. That is illegal.
I don't know about the discrimination laws to comment. You could be right.


2) It wasn't Discovery, it was A&E, but who cares; you're right, they "acted stupidly" (to coin an obama phrase) and had a knee-jerk reaction instead of making a calculated decision.
Oops, sorry. Shows how familiar I am with that show! :lol



3) It may still be a free country with free speech, unless said speech is personal or religious beliefs against a certain, very small, but very vocal percentage of America.
Again, free speech is not the issue. There may be a discrimination issue, I don't know. Does anti-discrimination law apply to forums and posts on forums? If so, watch out. My posting style will take a dramatic turn! :lol

Seriously, though, I don't think AFF is obligated to allow me or anyone else to post anything I want to. And I don't want to post anything I want to. (As silly as that sounds, maybe you get my meaning. Or not. :lol)

[Pressing-On]

Bleh...if the writer was in politics, he'd be pushing for the moderate Republican.

He's completely off with his points, speaking of which, he totally skipped #4. Look at the article, there's a 1), 2), 3), and 5)...no 4).

#1 isn't the issue. A&E and the guys know how to brand the show. What A&E did wasn't about branding, it was about censorship and illegally penalizing Phil for his religious opinions.

#2 isn't the issue either. It's just rank amateur to write something like that. No kidding, Sherlock. But the law does institute safeguards against religious discrimination.

#3 is just a mess. Not sure what he point is, and he probably forgot what the point was.

After that, I just don't care what this guy writes.

Dumb.

LOL! I believe his point would be that we need to be careful how we react and not appear to be as militant as we view the gay movement. That's what I got from it.

"the believers in the Bible did not protest so much as praise."

I've posted enough political rhetoric to know that my words are not as effective as prayer.

[TGBTG]

Basically all he did was quote scripture!
Speaking with GQ, Robertson lamented that when "everything is blurred on what's right and what's wrong ... sin becomes fine." So just what qualifies as sinful in his book?

"Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there — bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men," he declared.

Phil probably should have cut himself off at this point (considering he's a national TV star), but instead he paraphrased Corinthians. "Don't be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers — they won’t inherit the kingdom of God," he warned. "Don't deceive yourself. It's not right."



http://tv.yahoo.com/blogs/tv-news/-duck-dynasty--star-s-anti-gay-remarks-spark-outrage-134231650.html

Ok, haven't seen this show or A&E episode causing all the buzz, but really though, are people nuts?

Let's assume he said something offensive (a big assumption), ok, so what? people are gonna offend you in life, get over yourself...lol

Anyway, these days, "being offended is a profitable business"

Btw, on behalf of all drunkards, I am offended...:happydance

[Pressing-On]

I think Phil sort of did compare homosexuality to promiscuity and bestiality, but I don't really care that he did. He said, "Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong… Sin becomes fine. Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men."

I also like what he said about sin not being logical, but the quote is too explicit to post here. :D (found at the same link you posted)

I typed my post, was on the phone, logged me out and lost my post.

One more time. I think that in arguing his case, he would argue that he uses "morph" to reference the organism of sin and was not equating homosexuality to beastiality, but that sin morphs into more sin - he goes on to say - "Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers -- they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right."

So, I took it upon first read referring to a progression of sin. Of course, we have to know that GQ's purpose was to set him up for a fall.

[Pressing-On]

And here is the truth of it.

A&E fowls up 'Duck' flap: Column
Steve Deace
The 'tolerance' society demands from Christians really is silent compliance.

The sad truth is most American Christians would prefer to leave people in their sin provided Christians are left alone in turn.

For Christians, that is total disobedience to the Gospel. That's why the culture is at this point in the first place. The American Church has too often been plagued by scandal, or has scandalously pursued money and fame more than the healing of a lost and broken world.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/12/19/duck-dynasty-bible-religion-palin-robertson-column/4124181/

[*AQuietPlace*]

Am I the ONLY person who has never watched an episode of Duck Dynasty? I'm just frustrated because dozens of folks on my facebook newsfeed have Photos of this guy in the place of their regular photos and now I can't just look at the photo to know who said what.. I have to read the names on every post. LOL


I don't watch it. My husband does.

[Dordrecht]

The next world war will be about homosexuality.

[votivesoul]

Depending on the fall-out, I could see this being the opening "shot heard around the world" in the endgame of the U.S.'s culture war.

Take a walk through Wal-mart. Every aisle, almost, is Duck Dynasty items, from shirts, to hats, to towels, to mugs, to whatever.

As Wal-mart goes, so goes the nation. If they respond negatively, pull products, and etc., then you know the fan will have been thoroughly hit by you know what.

[votivesoul]

By the way, I have never watched an episode, and probably won't.

[n david]

The next world war will be about homosexuality.
Uhm, no.

[Michael The Disciple]

By the way, I have never watched an episode, and probably won't.

They had it on one night where I work so I saw several episodes of it that night. My impression was it was a really mild type show for these times. Nothing really sinful nothing really righteous. They did pray at the end.

I am really glad they are taking a stand. Its very rare the world hears that sinners will not enter Heaven! I guess that's why they are so shocked. Probably most people out in the world today under 40 years old have never heard the true gospel. They have never been told that they personally are a sinner against God.

I would guess almost none have ever been told they are going to Hell....but if they turn to Christ they can be saved.

[Jermyn Davidson]

If he goes, there will be no show.

The family is standing with their father.

They make me proud, though I've never watched an episode of their stupid show.

[KeptByTheWord]

I personally think that A&E was just "waiting" for one of them to say something like this. They had to know when they took these guys on their show where they stand on these kind of issues. You don't spend that much time with people filming them, without knowing what they believe.

So.... in my opinion.... A&E was simply waiting for this to happen, and they are using it to help push the GLAAD agenda, and as a way to further spread the sick GLAAD gospel.

I really think this is just part of their plan to elevate a Christian to movie star status, and then pull the rug out from under them, and sit back and laugh at the fall-out.... to further advance their sick agenda.

I'm not surprised at all by any of it, and I think things will get far worse before they get better, as far as the advancement of the GLAAD agenda, and how far they are going to try to reach to push their agenda on the American people.

[ILG]

Phil Robertson won't be bought, plain and simple. Firing a guy for having an opinion is what is wrong with this country whether a person believes in gay rights or not. I thought these people were supposed to be about tolerating others' opinions?? Apparently not, when it crosses their agenda. I mean, it's not like the guy demanded they air his words on the show or he was going to quit! I think this will finally give rednecks a voice where theirs is being drowned out.

[TGBTG]

I personally think that A&E was just "waiting" for one of them to say something like this. They had to know when they took these guys on their show where they stand on these kind of issues. You don't spend that much time with people filming them, without knowing what they believe.

So.... in my opinion.... A&E was simply waiting for this to happen, and they are using it to help push the GLAAD agenda, and as a way to further spread the sick GLAAD gospel.

I really think this is just part of their plan to elevate a Christian to movie star status, and then pull the rug out from under them, and sit back and laugh at the fall-out.... to further advance their sick agenda.

I'm not surprised at all by any of it, and I think things will get far worse before they get better, as far as the advancement of the GLAAD agenda, and how far they are going to try to reach to push their agenda on the American people.

This

[KeptByTheWord]

This

Well... that makes two of us... lol....

[TGBTG]

Well... that makes two of us... lol....

Haha..sister. Ofcourse, they knew their opinions on the issue. In fact, I would go as far as to say the GQ person who interviewed Phil already knew his stance on the issue. They just wanted to stir the pot...lol

...and perhaps set a trap to get them booted off people's television screens.

[KeptByTheWord]

Haha..sister. Ofcourse, they knew their opinions on the issue. In fact, I would go as far as to say the GQ person who interviewed Phil already knew his stance on the issue. They just wanted to stir the pot...lol

...and perhaps set a trap to get them booted off people's television screens.

Yup...

[KeptByTheWord]

In fact, I've been (sadly) waiting for this to happen ... the people behind the scenes just aren't going to stand for a Christian family like this to attain the kind of status they have, without some kind of attack planned to take them down.

[ILG]

I hope A&E gets a ton of backlash, the Robertson's stick together, and for once, the media doesn't win.

[KeptByTheWord]

I hope A&E gets a ton of backlash, the Robertson's stick together, and for once, the media doesn't win.

:highfive

[n david]

I was discussing with my wife whether or not this was a ploy to boost ratings which backfired on A&E.

The show is going to begin its 5th season next month. Filming is already complete, so Phil won't lose much, if any, time on the show. The GQ magazine article is the January edition. Most shows begin to lose interest in the 4th or 5th year, especially reality shows. A&E was aware of the GQ interview and had to approve it, since it was about the show.

In order to keep the high ratings, A&E may have decided to stir the pot before the 5th season premieres. By setting up an interview with Phil and GQ, they knew something would be asked regarding Phil's views, and they likely knew the answer would be "controversial."

A&E thought they would have a win/win situation, where they could stand up for GLAAD and at the same time generate interest in what would happen in the new season starting in a month.

Except A&E wasn't prepared for the backlash. They probably thought people would agree with their decision. They read the polls and thought that they were true -- that a majority of Americans were accepting of LGBTs.

What happens now doesn't matter. I believe A&E was ready to drop the show after this season. End on a high note. They just wanted to boost ratings for this season, and that's exactly what will happen.

[SiblingRevelry]

You know, it's interesting how everyone latched on to the homosexuality, but nobody has said a word, a PEEP about something else Phil Robertson mentioned in the same interview. And that would be his casual approval of Jim Crow-era racism.

And I quote:

“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I'm with the blacks, because we're white trash. We're going across the field.... They're singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”



http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-feed/2013/12/the-gospel-according-to-phil.html#ixzz2o2FDWWhl (http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-feed/2013/12/the-gospel-according-to-phil.html#ixzz2o2FDWWhl)

At best, that statement is ignorant and tone-deaf. At *best.* It ignores the reality of black life pre-Jim Crow--of course no African-American was going to cross a white person, do you know what would happen? I have to wonder if people would be nearly as up in arms about this casual racism as they are about the anti-gay remarks. (Personally, I expected the latter and am dismayed by the former.) And, seriously, where does Phil Robertson think the Blues came from, anyway?

And, as far as I'm concerned, it's an employer-employee issue governed by a contract none of us happen to be privy to (although I have been told the contract likely had a non-disparagement clause where Robertson was required to not do things that might bring the "Duck Dynasty" brand into disrepute). I CAN tell you what would happen at MY job if I were to say the same things Phil Robertson did. I would be in for so much HR counseling it would be coming out of my ears--if I wasn't canned immediately because I live in an at-will employment state.

Finally, it's been stated already but I'm going to say it again: this is not a free speech or First Amendment issue. The First Amendment only applies to government, not to business or private life. Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal may have been or currently are governors, but they don't understand this fundamental Constitutional jurisprudence that the First Amendment doesn't apply to business. A&E can do what it wants...what can happen afterwards is people can boycott their show and their advertisers, but this is not, I repeat, NOT a government action.

[ILG]

I was discussing with my wife whether or not this was a ploy to boost ratings which backfired on A&E.

The show is going to begin its 5th season next month. Filming is already complete, so Phil won't lose much, if any, time on the show. The GQ magazine article is the January edition. Most shows begin to lose interest in the 4th or 5th year, especially reality shows. A&E was aware of the GQ interview and had to approve it, since it was about the show.

In order to keep the high ratings, A&E may have decided to stir the pot before the 5th season premieres. By setting up an interview with Phil and GQ, they knew something would be asked regarding Phil's views, and they likely knew the answer would be "controversial."

A&E thought they would have a win/win situation, where they could stand up for GLAAD and at the same time generate interest in what would happen in the new season starting in a month.

Except A&E wasn't prepared for the backlash. They probably thought people would agree with their decision. They read the polls and thought that they were true -- that a majority of Americans were accepting of LGBTs.

What happens now doesn't matter. I believe A&E was ready to drop the show after this season. End on a high note. They just wanted to boost ratings for this season, and that's exactly what will happen.

Could be.

[ILG]

You know, it's interesting how everyone latched on to the homosexuality, but nobody has said a word, a PEEP about something else Phil Robertson mentioned in the same interview. And that would be his casual approval of Jim Crow-era racism.

And I quote:



http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-feed/2013/12/the-gospel-according-to-phil.html#ixzz2o2FDWWhl (http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-feed/2013/12/the-gospel-according-to-phil.html#ixzz2o2FDWWhl)

At best, that statement is ignorant and tone-deaf. At *best.* It ignores the reality of black life pre-Jim Crow--of course no African-American was going to cross a white person, do you know what would happen? I have to wonder if people would be nearly as up in arms about this casual racism as they are about the anti-gay remarks. (Personally, I expected the latter and am dismayed by the former.) And, seriously, where does Phil Robertson think the Blues came from, anyway?

And, as far as I'm concerned, it's an employer-employee issue governed by a contract none of us happen to be privy to (although I have been told the contract likely had a non-disparagement clause where Robertson was required to not do things that might bring the "Duck Dynasty" brand into disrepute). I CAN tell you what would happen at MY job if I were to say the same things Phil Robertson did. I would be in for so much HR counseling it would be coming out of my ears--if I wasn't canned immediately because I live in an at-will employment state.

Finally, it's been stated already but I'm going to say it again: this is not a free speech or First Amendment issue. The First Amendment only applies to government, not to business or private life. Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal may have been or currently are governors, but they don't understand this fundamental Constitutional jurisprudence that the First Amendment doesn't apply to business. A&E can do what it wants...what can happen afterwards is people can boycott their show and their advertisers, but this is not, I repeat, NOT a government action.

I thought it was illegal to fire someone for their personal views. Unless it is in his contract.

[n david]

Finally, it's been stated already but I'm going to say it again: this is not a free speech or First Amendment issue. The First Amendment only applies to government, not to business or private life. Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal may have been or currently are governors, but they don't understand this fundamental Constitutional jurisprudence that the First Amendment doesn't apply to business. A&E can do what it wants...what can happen afterwards is people can boycott their show and their advertisers, but this is not, I repeat, NOT a government action.
Correct. While the Bill of Rights was originally written for the government, the 14th amendment expanded it to state and local governments, and the SCOTUS has broadly included the first amendment in it's decisions regarding business and private life.

That aside, while some believe it's not a free speech issue, they cannot argue against it being a violation of the Civil Rights Act, which safeguards against religious discrimination. Suspending or firing someone because of their personal opinion is discrimination, plain and simple.

[SiblingRevelry]

That aside, while some believe it's not a free speech issue, they cannot argue against it being a violation of the Civil Rights Act, which safeguards against religious discrimination. Suspending or firing someone because of their personal opinion is discrimination, plain and simple.

Again, it would depend on what the Robertsons' contract says. If my friend is correct and there's a non-disparagement clause, then A&E may be able to put Phil Robertson on hiatus. It's possible that Robertson could overcome that with a showing of animus towards religion (which is a protected class, like race, sex and pregnancy).

However, I've seen those cases and it's got to be REALLY REALLY SUPER-EVIDENT that there was discrimination on the basis of religion. We're not talking a one-off thing, we're talking "you will lose your job if you (for example) don't practice Scientology" and it happens over and over. I'm using that as an example because there was an article about it just yesterday where a Florida chiropractor settled with the EEOC because he was forcing his employees to study Scientology.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/12/19/3828568/miami-chiropractic-office-must.html

I'd also note that a lot of discrimination is perfectly legal. In an at-will employment state (which I believe Louisiana is), an employer can fire you for any reason or no reason at all (outside of the protected classes just mentioned). So if your employer didn't like the fact that you parked in the vice president's covered parking spot at work or put your lunch on top of his in the communal refrigerator in the break room, or just thought your giggle was inappropriate, in an at-will state, he can fire you. No reason required. I suspect that Phil Robertson's contract gives him far more protection than the average at-will employee.

And, as someone mentioned, it might just be a way of drumming up ratings. Who knows? These people are devious in the ways of seeking publicity.

[n david]

A&E had a minder at the Robertson home during the interview...they knew all along what was said well before this blew up.

A network publicist was on site when GQ sent Deadspin writer Drew Magary to the Robertsons’ Louisiana home to hang out for a day.

So why did the minder sit there and let Phil say what he said? Most publicists would have stepped in and shut the interview down if they felt it was going south. Why didn't this one stop the interview or ask that the question be disregarded?

Source Link (http://www.deadline.com/2013/12/ae-grapples-with-death-threats-and-clan-ultimatum-on-duck-dynasty-star-suspension/)

[Sweet Pea]

Am I the ONLY person who has never watched an episode of Duck Dynasty? I'm just frustrated because dozens of folks on my facebook newsfeed have Photos of this guy in the place of their regular photos and now I can't just look at the photo to know who said what.. I have to read the names on every post. LOL


Nope ... I've never seen it either. :icecream

[SiblingRevelry]

A&E had a minder at the Robertson home during the interview...they knew all along what was said well before this blew up.



So why did the minder sit there and let Phil say what he said? Most publicists would have stepped in and shut the interview down if they felt it was going south. Why didn't this one stop the interview or ask that the question be disregarded?

Source Link (http://www.deadline.com/2013/12/ae-grapples-with-death-threats-and-clan-ultimatum-on-duck-dynasty-star-suspension/)

The minder may have been used to what Phil was saying and thinking that Drew Magary would gloss right over that stuff. Magary writes for Deadspin. To him, what Phil said was like throwing raw meat to a lion.

That article also mentions the A&E network is receiving death threats. IT'S A TV SHOW, for goodness' sake. Protest if you want, boycott if you want, but death threats are completely out of line.

[Sweet Pea]

1) Every employer is required to abide by the Civil Rights Act, which includes safeguards against religious discrimination. Robertson was suspended or fired for quoting a Bible verse and giving his personal, religious views. That is illegal.

2) It wasn't Discovery, it was A&E, but who cares; you're right, they "acted stupidly" (to coin an obama phrase) and had a knee-jerk reaction instead of making a calculated decision.

3) It may still be a free country with free speech, unless said speech is personal or religious beliefs against a certain, very small, but very vocal percentage of America.

I haven't read the entire thread yet; however, this comment caught my attention. Yes - the Civil Rights Act - however, you better be very careful how this is used. It can come back to haunt churches and non-profit groups if things are not done correctly. Believe me I know.... Every church, private school, non-profit 501(c)3 organization needs to be in contact with Christian Law Association and find out just exactly how statements of ministry, handbooks, policy guidelines, etc etc should be worded to prevent future lawsuits and backlash. Preventative measures will take care of lots of things!!!! :nod

[Sweet Pea]

Correct. While the Bill of Rights was originally written for the government, the 14th amendment expanded it to state and local governments, and the SCOTUS has broadly included the first amendment in it's decisions regarding business and private life.

That aside, while some believe it's not a free speech issue, they cannot argue against it being a violation of the Civil Rights Act, which safeguards against religious discrimination. Suspending or firing someone because of their personal opinion is discrimination, plain and simple.

However, there are many employers who would fire you for publicly pronouncing your beliefs in the manner Phil did. I'm NOT agreeing with the stance that A & E took; however, it was within their right to do so. Many companies have policies that state what a person can and cannot state publicly about their beliefs.

[n david]

I haven't read the entire thread yet; however, this comment caught my attention. Yes - the Civil Rights Act - however, you better be very careful how this is used. It can come back to haunt churches and non-profit groups if things are not done correctly. Believe me I know.... Every church, private school, non-profit 501(c)3 organization needs to be in contact with Christian Law Association and find out just exactly how statements of ministry, handbooks, policy guidelines, etc etc should be worded to prevent future lawsuits and backlash. Preventative measures will take care of lots of things!!!! :nod
Yes! My Pastor has the church board reviewing the bylaws right now. He attended a church leadership conference and there was a portion dedicated both to tax and financial info and also bylaws. If your church bylaws aren't specific in your belief on marriage, it should be! We're currently updating ours in order to try to prevent any possible lawsuit.


However, there are many employers who would fire you for publicly pronouncing your beliefs in the manner Phil did. I'm NOT agreeing with the stance that A & E took; however, it was within their right to do so. Many companies have policies that state what a person can and cannot state publicly about their beliefs.
I work for a major bank, and they don't have any policy like that. In fact, I don't recall any employer I've worked with that has a list of what you can or cannot say publicly as a private individual.

What's said on the show is one thing, what's said when asked a question in an interview is something else, IMO.

I could be completely wrong. I'm not a lawyer. :)

[n david]

The minder may have been used to what Phil was saying and thinking that Drew Magary would gloss right over that stuff. Magary writes for Deadspin. To him, what Phil said was like throwing raw meat to a lion.

That article also mentions the A&E network is receiving death threats. IT'S A TV SHOW, for goodness' sake. Protest if you want, boycott if you want, but death threats are completely out of line.
I agree! Protest, boycott, call, email...but please people, for goodness sake keep it civil.

Was it a Christian who sent the death threat? :doh Seriously. This is like the Alabama kicker getting death threats because he missed a FG.

[Pressing-On]

I agree! Protest, boycott, call, email...but please people, for goodness sake keep it civil.

Was it a Christian who sent the death threat? :doh Seriously. This is like the Alabama kicker getting death threats because he missed a FG.

The FB page - Boycott A&E Until Phil Robertson is Put Back on Duck Dynasty Is On Facebook

It went from the originator to over 1.5M people in less than two days. :thumbsup

https://www.facebook.com/Philrobertsonsupport?ref=nf

And it made the NY Times! Link embed is in article. :thumbsup

Fans Criticize Move to Suspend ‘Duck Dynasty’ Star
A Facebook page in support of Mr. Robertson, which called for a boycott of A&E, had received more than 900,000 “likes” by Thursday night, and numerous Twitter hashtags also called for support of the family and boycotts of the network.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/20/business/media/fans-criticize-move-to-suspend-duck-dynasty-star.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1387573234-ro2Zs+3+7VOvcCTiVKvlgQ&

[ILG]

The FB page - Boycott A&E Until Phil Robertson is Put Back on Duck Dynasty Is On Facebook

It went from the originator to over 1.5M people in less than two days. :thumbsup

https://www.facebook.com/Philrobertsonsupport?ref=nf

And it made the NY Times! Link embed is in article. :thumbsup

It's going up in likes quickly!

[KeptByTheWord]

Encouraging!

[shag]

I used to watched Phil teaching duck calling techniques and then testifying, a while before he hit it big w the show, and after all this blah blah hollywood dust settles whenever, I will still still enjoy his preaching/testifying, and will continue to learn from him how to call ducks better on youtube and videos. Like the Dynasty notebook cover says...."God, family, then ducks". :D

[shag]

Anyone know, after possibly 100's of millions, does Phil and Kay still live in the same modular home?

[Michael The Disciple]

God did not choose Phil just so he could make money. He raised him up for a time like this. Every big name "star" up till now has apologized and went on bended knee so to speak to gay.

Now finally someone has dared to challenge the fearsome "gay" spirit. Whether he gets to continue you as an actor is nothing. God has used him to expose sin when no one else in the media would.

He actually has now "let his light shine".

[KeptByTheWord]

God did not choose Phil just so he could make money. He raised him up for a time like this. Every big name "star" up till now has apologized and went on bended knee so to speak to gay.

Now finally someone has dared to challenge the fearsome "gay" spirit. Whether he gets to continue you as an actor is nothing. God has used him to expose sin when no one else in the media would.

He actually has now "let his light shine".

Amen... exactly my thoughts. I am praying for them that they hold true to their values. They need our prayers.

[Timmy]

God did not choose Phil just so he could make money. He raised him up for a time like this. Every big name "star" up till now has apologized and went on bended knee so to speak to gay.

Now finally someone has dared to challenge the fearsome "gay" spirit. Whether he gets to continue you as an actor is nothing. God has used him to expose sin when no one else in the media would.

He actually has now "let his light shine".

OK, just wondering. Since we finally have a well-publicized declaration that homosexuality is sin, what do you think will happen? Will millions of gay people repent and become attracted to the opposite gender, as God intended for them?

Like I said. Just wondering.

[Timmy]

Or maybe they'll just repent? (This is not really the first time the declaration of homosexuality being sin has been heard, by most American gays, at least. Typically, when there is a response to this declaration, the result may involve repentance, with plenty of tears and heartache -- call it remorse, if you like --, but rarely does a gay person even actually change his or her orientation. Not really, and/or not for long, with a "life-changing" conversion. Far as I know. A co-founder of Exodus International and his partner come to mind. Not to mention the closing of that organization, with what amounted to a "repentance" or sorts, ironically.)

[FlamingZword]

You know, it's interesting how everyone latched on to the homosexuality, but nobody has said a word, a PEEP about something else Phil Robertson mentioned in the same interview. And that would be his casual approval of Jim Crow-era racism.

He was not approving of anything.

A person usually sees what he is looking for, Phil was not looking for racism, that is why he did not see it. Racism did not affect Phil that is why he did not felt it.

In the new political correct world, any disapproval of Obama is considered racism, which is a bunch of nonsense.

[Timmy]

He was not approving of anything.

A person usually sees what he is looking for, Phil was not looking for racism, that is why he did not see it. Racism did not affect Phil that is why he did not felt it.
That's my impression, too. I tend to take him at his word, on this.


In the new political correct world, any disapproval of Obama is considered racism, which is a bunch of nonsense.

There may be some with that opinion. I haven't seen it, that I can recall. But yes, it's nonsense.

Now, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a statistical correlation between racism and disapproval of Obama. In fact, it would surprise the me to find many racists that don't disapprove! But thinking that isn't the same as considering that any disapproval of Obama is racism, or is because of racism. I hope you can see the difference. ;)

[ILG]

OK, just wondering. Since we finally have a well-publicized declaration that homosexuality is sin, what do you think will happen? Will millions of gay people repent and become attracted to the opposite gender, as God intended for them?

Like I said. Just wondering.

If you ask me, Phil will do more for freedom of speech/thought than anything. We have been having our freedoms taken away in this country bit by bit (all of us, atheists and Christians alike) and I see Phil as one who will stand for his beliefs regardless of what anyone thinks. We need someone like that.

[ILG]

1,697,279 likes and going up, up up.

If I was on Facebook, I would like it. ;)

[ILG]

https://www.facebook.com/Philrobertsonsupport?ref=nf

[MissBrattified]

You know, it's interesting how everyone latched on to the homosexuality, but nobody has said a word, a PEEP about something else Phil Robertson mentioned in the same interview. And that would be his casual approval of Jim Crow-era racism....

The media didn't "latch" onto this because they know they would have to take his statements out of context. He was describing his personal experience as "white trash", being on the same socio-economic level as the black community when he was a young man. He said the black people he worked with in the cotton fields seemed happy and weren't singing the blues; he didn't state, nor did he even imply, that he approves of racism. If anything, those statements imply that he felt like he fit in with the black community at that time, and further serve to illustrate his own "suck it up and don't whine" pragmatic mentality. Even the liberal MSM knew better than to run with that story. ;)

[Timmy]

The media didn't "latch" onto this because they know they would have to take his statements out of context. He was describing his personal experience as "white trash", being on the same socio-economic level as the black community when he was a young man. He said the black people he worked with in the cotton fields seemed happy and weren't singing the blues; he didn't state, nor did he even imply, that he approves of racism. If anything, those statements imply that he felt like he fit in with the black community at that time, and further serve to illustrate his own "suck it up and don't whine" pragmatic mentality. Even the liberal MSM knew better than to run with that story. ;)

This part of the GQ interview has been covered by every MSM outlet I have seen. Haven't checked them all, and I'm not inclined to, but CNN, Huffington Post and MSNBC all have it. The evil-liberal-MSM card is tired of being played, if you ask me. :winkgrin

[Abiding Now]

What he should have said was queers and racist are both lost, then he would have really messed up the liberals.

[Michael The Disciple]

OK, just wondering. Since we finally have a well-publicized declaration that homosexuality is sin, what do you think will happen? Will millions of gay people repent and become attracted to the opposite gender, as God intended for them?

Like I said. Just wondering.

It could be that MILIONS of young people who have been taught from the time they entered Kindergarden how WONDERFUL Gay really is, they have actually heard a man of stature say that its abnormal and immoral to have such relationships.

Perhaps some of them who may even now be weighing WHO THEY WANT TO BE will have a fighting chance to be true to what GOD made them to be.

It could make the difference in many such lives.

[ILG]

https://www.facebook.com/Philrobertsonsupport?ref=nf

1,710,362 likes

[MarcBee]

they have actually heard a man of stature say


To quote DM's favorite saying, "BWahahah" or something like that. I haven't seen any episodes of DD, since I don't have cable TV. But "Man of Stature" ? Mmkay, I probably should be paying more attention to the same pop culture you do, I suppose.

:icecream

[ILG]

LOL!!

After Morgan said about Duck Dynasty‘s Phil Robertson via Twitter Thursday, “[T]he 1st Amendment shouldn’t protect vile bigots,” Charlie Daniels scolded the arrogant Brit Friday with a series of tweets that began, “Piers Morgan why don’t you go back to England and straighten it out before you try to change the United States of America”:
If you had to go to war who would you want to watch your back
Piers Morgan or Phil Robertson?

[Michael The Disciple]

To quote DM's favorite saying, "BWahahah" or something like that. I haven't seen any episodes of DD, since I don't have cable TV. But "Man of Stature" ? Mmkay, I probably should be paying more attention to the same pop culture you do, I suppose.

:icecream

Well I don't have a TV period. I did see a few episodes of DD because the TV is on where I work.

As to Phil being a man of stature I do consider that to be true in modern America. Millions of people talk about him as you are doing yourself today.

So yes when he speaks there are MANY who listen. It could be that young people will hear from him what the "Pastors" and the "Christians" would not have the courage to tell them.:highfive

[MarcBee]

Well I don't have a TV period. I did see a few episodes of DD because the TV is on where I work.

Fair enough, MTD. I do recall my era with the UPC where some or many members did not actually have a TV, but somehow or other they were still perfectly conversant with what was actually happening on other peoples' TVs.!

:happydance

As to Phil being a man of stature I do consider that to be true in modern America. Millions of people talk about him as you are doing yourself today. .

Well, I may also talk about Osama Bin Laden, but I would not label him a "man of stature" unless I'm merely referring to the worldwide numbers of people who know something about who he is, or rather, was. Hitler would also qualify according to that definition of "man of stature."

[Abiding Now]

What I wanta know is HOW CAN A GUY THAT LOOKS SOOOOOOOOOOOOO REDNECKISH get an interview on GQ? :banghead

[Jermyn Davidson]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/defend-phil-robertson-heres-youre-001248300.html


On one hand, I am glad that his views on race haven't been blown up in the media.



On the other hand, he implies the same false idea that many politicians and others seem to believe-- the welfare rolls in America are stacked with black people.

Remember what I have said several times about how so many white people make it so difficult to be a black Conservative?

He doesn't come right out and say it, but I bet he believes that the protections that minorities have in America not only are not necessary, but were never necessary! After all, we were godly, happy and singing!

It's impossible to look at his statement and not wonder what he means, not wonder where America would be if we followed his logic on race all the way out.

Go ahead, act like I'm some left-winged, race-baiting, communist looking for hand-outs and racism under every rock, in every nook and cranny of American life. You would be wrong, but it has never stopped other Conservatives from saying this before whenever anyone brings up the real fact that many white Conservatives have deep rooted racial prejudices that has plagued the Republican Party since their convenient inclusion of the "Dixie-crats" during the Civil Rights Era.

We saw this same phenomenon with Ron Paul-- it's a soft approval of racial prejudice by never calling out the racial prejudice, never officially condoning it, but rarely condemning it when it rears its ugly head, which happens more often than what good white Conservatives seem able to recognize.


Stop the lying! Today's GOP is NOT the Party of Lincoln! The GOP really needs to address and correct this in order to grow into the 21st century.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I hope Duck Dynasty leaves A & E, but I sure hope they don't go to FOX! All it would do is further polarize our country on a deeper than political level.

[jfrog]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/defend-phil-robertson-heres-youre-001248300.html


On one hand, I am glad that his views on race haven't been blown up in the media.



On the other hand, he implies the same false idea that many politicians and others seem to believe-- the welfare rolls in America are stacked with black people.

Remember what I have said several times about how so many white people make it so difficult to be a black Conservative?

He doesn't come right out and say it, but I bet he believes that the protections that minorities have in America not only are not necessary, but were never necessary! After all, we were godly, happy and singing!

It's impossible to look at his statement and not wonder what he means, not wonder where America would be if we followed his logic on race all the way out.

Go ahead, act like I'm some left-winged, race-baiting, communist looking for hand-outs and racism under every rock, in every nook and cranny of American life. You would be wrong, but it has never stopped other Conservatives from saying this before whenever anyone brings up the real fact that many white Conservatives have deep rooted racial prejudices that has plagued the Republican Party since their convenient inclusion of the "Dixie-crats" during the Civil Rights Era.

We saw this same phenomenon with Ron Paul-- it's a soft approval of racial prejudice by never calling out the racial prejudice, never officially condoning it, but rarely condemning it when it rears its ugly head, which happens more often than what good white Conservatives seem able to recognize.


Stop the lying! Today's GOP is NOT the Party of Lincoln! The GOP really needs to address and correct this in order to grow into the 21st century.

I'm pretty sure it's a fact that per capita there are more blacks in jail and on welfare than whites...

[Praxeas]

I'm pretty sure it's a fact that per capita there are more blacks in jail and on welfare than whites...
What is obvious but often ignored is, one segment of American society is always going to be the majority that is in jail or on welfare

It's statistically improbable that it will always be virtually tied along racial lines unless it's artificially controlled.

[Sweet Pea]

http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/42173-i-support-a-e-s-right-to-censor-phil-robertson-but

Pretty much sums up how I feel about it all ...

[n david]

Not sure what they're thinking....Cracker Barrel has pulled all of Phil's merchandise, but still has some other DD products. They're under a massive assault on FB because of it, too.

[Sweet Pea]

Not sure what they're thinking....Cracker Barrel has pulled all of Phil's merchandise, but still has some other DD products. They're under a massive assault on FB because of it, too.

From the info that I read (I will "try" to find the link - sometimes I have a hard time going back to what I read. :foottap) .....

Anyway ... A & E owns all the rights to the DD name and paraphernalia. They have asked certain stores to pull the DD merchandise - they can do that because the own "DD." It is my understanding that CB is continuing to carry the "Duck Commander" merchandise - which is actually owned by the Robertson family. So, if anyone purchases DD merchandise, they are actually supporting A & E. Not sure why A & E would tell CB to pull the DD stuff? A & E would make money off it. Walmart is covered with the stuff. Maybe Walmart stood up to them???

[n david]

From the info that I read (I will "try" to find the link - sometimes I have a hard time going back to what I read. :foottap) .....

Anyway ... A & E owns all the rights to the DD name and paraphernalia. They have asked certain stores to pull the DD merchandise - they can do that because the own "DD." It is my understanding that CB is continuing to carry the "Duck Commander" merchandise - which is actually owned by the Robertson family. So, if anyone purchases DD merchandise, they are actually supporting A & E. Not sure why A & E would tell CB to pull the DD stuff? A & E would make money off it. Walmart is covered with the stuff. Maybe Walmart stood up to them???
It's any merchandise with Phil. Bobblehead, and any other products of Phil's.

Their statement is at odds with your claim. If A&E made that demand, surely CB would have said so, and not put themselves in the PR nightmare they're in currently. They did not. Instead they made some unclear comment that they removed "selected" items which could be offensive.

[ILG]

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[ILG]

I'm pretty sure it's a fact that per capita there are more blacks in jail and on welfare than whites...

I do wonder if that finds it's roots in the slavery and oppression of the black people though. Each black person, as white, is responsible for him or herself, but I wonder what culture was created for black people while they were being oppressed by whites, having their families ripped apart, being raped and not being given enough food to eat. They probably wouldn't care a whole lot for white man's "laws". Just sayin'.

[shag]

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I kinda like this post on there by MM (If itd take off...)

"Forget A&E...we need to convince the Robertson Family to start their own Cable Network based on their beliefs and values.....Sponsors would be lining up to advertise....Family shows....Outdoors shows.....Cooking shows...Childrens shows....all based on the true Christian beliefs...just think about it."

[ILG]

I kinda like this post on there by MM (If itd take off...)

"Forget A&E...we need to convince the Robertson Family to start their own Cable Network based on their beliefs and values.....Sponsors would be lining up to advertise....Family shows....Outdoors shows.....Cooking shows...Childrens shows....all based on the true Christian beliefs...just think about it."

True.

[n david]

Breaking ***

Cracker Barrel apologizes, puts all merchandise back on shelves!!!

Dear Cracker Barrel Customer:

When we made the decision to remove and evaluate certain Duck Dynasty items, we offended many of our loyal customers. Our intent was to avoid offending, but that’s just what we've done.

You told us we made a mistake. And, you weren't shy about it. You wrote, you called and you took to social media to express your thoughts and feelings. You flat out told us we were wrong.

We listened.

Today, we are putting all our Duck Dynasty products back in our stores.

And, we apologize for offending you.

We respect all individuals right to express their beliefs. We certainly did not mean to have anyone think different.

We sincerely hope you will continue to be part of our Cracker Barrel family.

Great news!

[ILG]

Breaking ***

Cracker Barrel apologizes, puts all merchandise back on shelves!!!



Great news!

:thumbsup

[Praxeas]

From the info that I read (I will "try" to find the link - sometimes I have a hard time going back to what I read. :foottap) .....

Anyway ... A & E owns all the rights to the DD name and paraphernalia. They have asked certain stores to pull the DD merchandise - they can do that because the own "DD." It is my understanding that CB is continuing to carry the "Duck Commander" merchandise - which is actually owned by the Robertson family. So, if anyone purchases DD merchandise, they are actually supporting A & E. Not sure why A & E would tell CB to pull the DD stuff? A & E would make money off it. Walmart is covered with the stuff. Maybe Walmart stood up to them???
If that is true, the Robertson family should have hired a better agent...

[Praxeas]

It's any merchandise with Phil. Bobblehead, and any other products of Phil's.

Their statement is at odds with your claim. If A&E made that demand, surely CB would have said so, and not put themselves in the PR nightmare they're in currently. They did not. Instead they made some unclear comment that they removed "selected" items which could be offensive.
Right

[canam]

The holy grail for Baptists, Pentecostals and other faiths is food baby ,you step on that you will get hit in the pocket book because we will punish you !! Cracker Barrel just woke up to that, bwhaahah, ooops we screwed up !!! They should have called Chic fila for advice the dummies, they are like please boy cott us again !!

[Praxeas]

The holy grail for Baptists, Pentecostals and other faiths is food baby ,you step on that you will get hit in the pocket book because we will punish you !! Cracker Barrel just woke up to that, bwhaahah, ooops we screwed up !!! They should have called Chic fila for advice the dummies, they are like please boy cott us again !!
Especially denim skirt wearing Pentecostals.. :heeheehee

[MissBrattified]

This part of the GQ interview has been covered by every MSM outlet I have seen. Haven't checked them all, and I'm not inclined to, but CNN, Huffington Post and MSNBC all have it. The evil-liberal-MSM card is tired of being played, if you ask me. :winkgrin

The mainstream media is extremely liberal, and I plan to keep playing that card until they're more balanced, which will probably be a cold day in hell. FYI, I don't like FoxNews either, because they are just as biased the other direction AND they are often sloppy in their reporting.

By "mainstream", I mean ABC, CBS and NBC. I haven't seen anything on their webpages or broadcasts about the "racist" remarks, although it's possible I missed it. I certainly wasn't major headlines, or I would have noticed. Those are the three I check on a regular basis. MSNBC is as liberal as Fox is conservative, and they don't count as mainstream, IMO. CNN counts, so I guess you have one of the four. Huffington post? Mainstream? :heeheehee

[canam]

Especially denim skirt wearing Pentecostals.. :heeheehee

unwelcome picture in my head get the behind me )

[Abiding Now]

Phil On Growing Up in Pre-Civil-Rights-Era Louisiana

“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”

Read More http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson#ixzz2oFVNyqdm

What I'm NOT understanding is this is his life experience, how can anyone refute it? Were their injustice toward black folks, I'm sure, but the man is saying HE DIDN'T SEE IT.

[Abiding Now]

Another little tidbit............


Willie has just come back from Washington, D.C., where he accepted an award at the Angels in Adoption Gala. (He and his wife, Korie, adopted a biracial child named Will and are dedicated advocates of the practice.)

Read More http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson#ixzz2oFYUeGE8

[ILG]

Wierd. I can look up Phil on Youtube and read a ton of anti-gay titles but as soon as I type in "I support Phi" or "I stand with Phil" for a search I get asked to sign in.

[Abiding Now]

Caution! If you read the article be prepared for the VULGAR remarks by the reporter.

[n david]

Any given day, I generally do not agree with what's written in The Atlantic; however, today there is a great article by Larry Alex Taunton - "The Genuine Conflict Being Ignored in the Duck Dynasty Debate."

Source Link (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/12/the-genuine-conflict-being-ignored-in-the-i-duck-dynasty-i-debate/282587/)

Here are a few parts, but you should read the whole article:

Robertson didn’t simply attack and disparage the sexual preferences of a minority, as Alec Baldwin recently did in a hateful rant. No, Robertson’s opinion—couched as it was in scriptural references that suggest he not only owns a Bible, but also reads it—reflects the teaching and practice of historic Christianity and, by extension, the opinion of a sizable portion of the American public. Indeed, according to a June 2013 Pew Research Center survey, roughly half (45 percent) of Americans polled said they believe homosexual actions are a “sin.”

In an apparent effort to convince this demographic that homosexual actions are not sinful, GLAAD spokesperson Wilson Cruz said Robertson’s views are not Christian. The strategy here seems to be “divide and conquer”—separate Robertson from his religion and let public opinion do the rest. The theologians at GLAAD will have to do better, because what Robertson said is not inconsistent with a Christianity that sees the Bible as a source of Divine authority and inspiration—and Louisiana gun-toting evangelicals are not the only ones who embrace that Christianity. On the contrary, Cruz’s statement appears naive when one considers that Pope Francis, Time Magazine’s Person of the Year for 2013, has previously called gay marriage the work of the devil and “a total rejection of God’s law engraved on our hearts.” Judging by Thursday’s precedent, A&E would fire the pope.

Missing in the controversy over A&E’s handling of its golden goose—or duck, rather—is the fact that the real conflict here is not between Robertson and A&E; it is between gay activists and a solid majority of Christians who believe homosexual acts are wrong. As indicated above, Robertson’s views are hardly anomalous. Christians may disagree on the details, but the Bible strongly condemns homosexuality in both the Old and New Testaments; the marriage model of one man and one woman is first given by God in Genesis 2 and reiterated by Jesus in Matthew 19; and in Romans 1 the Apostle Paul denounces homosexuality as a hallmark of a degenerate culture. The point here isn’t that you have to believe any of this, but many Christians do believe it and feel morally bound to believe it.

Instead of acknowledging this tension, however, A&E, GLAAD, and their supporters have responded with disingenuous expressions of shock and horror. And it matters that it's disingenuous, because if they actually acknowledged that there is a genuine conflict between orthodox Christianity and homosexual sex (along with several forms of heterosexual sex) they would have to confront head-on the fact that calling for a boycott or pressuring for Robertson's suspension tells orthodox Christians that their religion is no longer acceptable, and that’s not a very politically correct thing to do. Right now, they are trying to weasel out of it by characterizing Robertson as a backwoods bigot who takes his moral cues from Deliverance rather than from a straightforward reading of the Bible and the historic teachings of the Christian religion.

Tolerance is not the same thing as acceptance, and acceptance is not the same thing as an endorsement. The message A&E’s decision sends is that there is zero tolerance on television for Christians who are conscientious objectors to homosexuality. More than that, it implicitly suggests that the campaign for tolerance has advanced to a campaign to pressure 45 percent of Americans to recant their beliefs and endorse a lifestyle to which they are opposed, conscience be damned.

We stand at a crossroads. The country must decide. Is the endgame here to be that orthodox Christians will henceforth have no voice within their own culture? If so, does this mean we have become a nation of bullies, forcing conformity while calling it tolerance?

Larry hits the nail on the head when he states that by suspending Phil, they are stating there is ZERO tolerance for Christians who believe the Bible and because of that, are against homosexuality.

[ILG]

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[ILG]

1,782,042 likes

https://www.facebook.com/Philrobertsonsupport?ref=nf

I used to be able to get into this without signing in....now I can't. Also they used to be 1.8 mil and are now 1.7 again?????

[n david]

I used to be able to get into this without signing in....now I can't. Also they used to be 1.8 mil and are now 1.7 again?????
Sometimes with social issues like this, people will like a page for a few days, and then unlike it so as not to keep getting updates or whatever from the page.

[ILG]

Sometimes with social issues like this, people will like a page for a few days, and then unlike it so as not to keep getting updates or whatever from the page.

I see. I wonder about the signing in thing though. Like the other day, I could watch youtube videos that criticized Phil but when I wanted to watch pro Phil ones it wanted me to sign in!!

[ILG]

P.S. I try not to sign into anything, so I didn't. And I'm not on FB.