4 blood moons

[shag]

pee on the fire and call in the dogs...this is it!




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9euK-koV-8k

[Abiding Now]

Interesting.

[pilgram]

Just reading the news from Isreal you know something big is going to happen in the Middle East soon.

[shag]

The unexplained death of some eagles sealed it for me. What could that possibly be other than a sign symbolic of the decline of the US of A

[BrotherEastman]

whats a blood moon?

[shag]

Remember the movie Braveheart, all the Scottish foot soldiers mooned the British prior to fighting= blood moon

[shazeep]

:lol

[shazeep]

whats a blood moon?a moon in the earth's shadow, i guess.

[Revelationist]

Just goes to show... There's a fool born every minute.

[shag]

Remember the movie Braveheart, all the Scottish foot soldiers mooned the British prior to fighting= blood moon



Actually, one of the genuine "Revealing mistakes" in that movie:
During the Battle of Stirling's mooning scene, you can clearly see blood flowing from a soldier's behind before he is hit with the arrow.

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0112573/goofs



And there u have it, a legitimate blood moon.

[MawMaw]

That's the title of John Hagee's new book isn't it?

[shag]

That's the title of John Hagee's new book isn't it?

True. But it got shut already here:

Four Coming Blood Moons Debunked:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0bMMB4T2-jA


Not that anyone desires to watch1.5 hrs worth, I know I didn't.

Preferably, this is about 3 mins and more to the point :)

http://americanvision.org/9859/bible-teach-blood-moon-theology/#sthash.ozoRBmVi.7hmGOuji.dpbs

[shazeep]

ya, that was pretty well put. while i do believe that there is a Biblical astrology--non-prognosticating; what the Magi saw--i think it's virtually a lost art now.

[Esther]

You know what is very irrating to me is when someone disagrees with someone they are condescending without giving any content as to WHY they disagree.

:smack

[renee819]

You know what is very irrating to me is when someone disagrees with someone they are condescending without giving any content as to WHY they disagree.

:smack

AMEN, Esther, I agree!

[Revelationist]

88 Reasons why Christ will Come in 88, Israel become a nationin1948 and that generation will not pass until all these things come to past, 2000? That's just a few of the reasons I disagree. That better? This too shall pass...

[BrotherEastman]

88 Reasons why Christ will Come in 88, Israel become a nationin1948 and that generation will not pass until all these things come to past, 2000? That's just a few of the reasons I disagree. That better? This too shall pass...

I understand, but don't you find it interesting that the four blood moons just so happens to fall on the passover and the feast of tabernacles four consecutive times in a row. Has to mean something don't ya think?

[Scott Hutchinson]

Does the blood moons have to mean anything ?

[KeptByTheWord]

The guy who first "announced" to the world in 2008 that the Lord would be returning in 2015, due to the four blood moons is Mike Biltz. Check out his website... http://www.elshaddaiministries.us/

He has since stepped back from the "Messiah shall return in 2015" prediction sometime earlier ... but has written a book called the "Blood Moons" that will be published in March, shortly before the first "blood moon" is to take place... http://www.elshaddaiministries.us/MiscPDF/wndb-Blood_Moons-press_release-v1.pdf

[Revelationist]

I understand, but don't you find it interesting that the four blood moons just so happens to fall on the passover and the feast of tabernacles four consecutive times in a row. Has to mean something don't ya think?

No meaning at all, unless you believe Christ was a failure and didn't fulfill what he came to do when he come to earth.

[Revelationist]

After 2015 will anyone ask why nothing happened?

[renee819]

I have heard of the four blood moons, but have not done any studies on it.

John Hagee, may have been OK when he first started, I don't know. But he certainly went wrong when he joined the “name it and claim it” crowd. Or he may have been with them all of the time.

But he is certainly wrong about the EndTimes.

There are no 7 yrs of Great Tribulation. God does not tell us how long the Trib lasts. Only after the Last Trumpet---the 7th one, there will be 3.5 yrs left until Armageddon.
And we will go thru the Tribulation. But when the Beast sets in the Temple (the abomination of desolation) God will cut the time short for His Elect. (Which are Christians all over the world.) Some people like to preach that this is just Jews. That the Church is gone. WRONG!

Many Christians that have been taught that, will say, in that day, when they see that we are in the Tribulation,...

Matthew 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
:49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

The Media will be so strong against True Christians, that lukewarm Christians, and those not truly born again, will e completely brainwashed and will turn on their own children, parents, and the Christians that will be accused of causing the trouble, because they will not go along with the One World Church first, and after that the One World Government.

Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

Make no mistake, the Church will go thru the Great Tribulation.

[KeptByTheWord]

I do believe the church will have to undergo things that most certainly are not anticipating in the coming days. What those things will be, only God knows. Our faith must remain in Jesus, and must not be shaken by signs, wonders, and events in the skies.

[Dordrecht]

Matt. 24:9 is already happening.

[Dordrecht]

Matt. 24:9 is already happening.

Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another

[Revelationist]

Matt. 24:9 is already happening.

This happened to the church of Acts... Read it.

[shag]

I have heard of the four blood moons, but have not done any studies on it.

John Hagee, may have been OK when he first started, I don't know. But he certainly went wrong when he joined the “name it and claim it” crowd. Or he may have been with them all of the time.

But he is certainly wrong about the EndTimes.

There are no 7 yrs of Great Tribulation. God does not tell us how long the Trib lasts. Only after the Last Trumpet---the 7th one, there will be 3.5 yrs left until Armageddon.
And we will go thru the Tribulation. But when the Beast sets in the Temple (the abomination of desolation) God will cut the time short for His Elect. (Which are Christians all over the world.) Some people like to preach that this is just Jews. That the Church is gone. WRONG!

Many Christians that have been taught that, will say, in that day, when they see that we are in the Tribulation,...



The Media will be so strong against True Christians, that lukewarm Christians, and those not truly born again, will e completely brainwashed and will turn on their own children, parents, and the Christians that will be accused of causing the trouble, because they will not go along with the One World Church first, and after that the One World Government.

.

Make no mistake, the Church will go thru the Great Tribulation.




U only left out 3 letters at the end of your post:
IMO

[shag]

I have heard of the four blood moons, but have not done any studies on it.

John Hagee, may have been OK when he first started, I don't know. But he certainly went wrong when he joined the “name it and claim it” crowd. Or he may have been with them all of the time.

But he is certainly wrong about the EndTimes.

There are no 7 yrs of Great Tribulation. God does not tell us how long the Trib lasts. Only after the Last Trumpet---the 7th one, there will be 3.5 yrs left until Armageddon.
And we will go thru the Tribulation. But when the Beast sets in the Temple (the abomination of desolation) God will cut the time short for His Elect. (Which are Christians all over the world.) Some people like to preach that this is just Jews. That the Church is gone. WRONG!

Many Christians that have been taught that, will say, in that day, when they see that we are in the Tribulation,...



The Media will be so strong against True Christians, that lukewarm Christians, and those not truly born again, will e completely brainwashed and will turn on their own children, parents, and the Christians that will be accused of causing the trouble, because they will not go along with the One World Church first, and after that the One World Government.

.

Make no mistake, the Church will go thru the Great Tribulation.



Question. Per your view of things, do u believe concerning the parable of the wicked vine dressers in Matt. 21, that verses 40&41 are verses also referring to the "Days of veangance" written in Luke 21:22? And how do u view 40&41 concerning fullfillment, our past or our future?

And (how) do these relate to your view of Matt. 23:31-36?

[renee819]

Shag wrote,
Question. Per your view of things, do u believe concerning the parable of the wicked vine dressers in Matt. 21, that verses 40&41 are verses also referring to the "Days of veangance" written in Luke 21:22? And how do u view 40&41 concerning fullfillment, our past or our future?

And (how) do these relate to your view of Matt. 23:31-36?

Shag, I haven't compared the parables with endtime prophecy. However, the ones you have brought up, I believe Jesus was warning Israel that they were about to be cut off.

God dealt with Israel as a nation, thru the Law. But the Law was finished on the cross, when Jesus installed the New Covenant, by His Blood, which the Jews as a nation, rejected. However, since the New Covenant was for “whosoever will” individual Jews are still being saved. Not by the Law, but by the New Covenant. Repentance---baptism in Jesus name and receiving the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
:39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
:40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Some of this is past---they killed the Son, and some is future. Those wicked “vine dressers” have not been judged yet. But the “vineyard” was let out to the Church.

Matthew 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. (The prophets that were killed in the past.-----Jesus is comparing them to that generation, were just as bad, worse, killing Jesus.)
:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers

They didn't heed what Jesus told them, and they would continue to kill God's True Saints.

:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

And they did.

:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

That “generation” will pay dearly for crucifying Jesus as well as the Apostles and saints.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Is there a temple now to be destroyed ?

[shag]

Shag wrote,


Shag, I haven't compared the parables with endtime prophecy. However, the ones you have brought up, I believe Jesus was warning Israel that they were about to be cut off.

God dealt with Israel as a nation, thru the Law. But the Law was finished on the cross, when Jesus installed the New Covenant, by His Blood, which the Jews as a nation, rejected. However, since the New Covenant was for “whosoever will” individual Jews are still being saved. Not by the Law, but by the New Covenant. Repentance---baptism in Jesus name and receiving the Holy Ghost.



Some of this is past---they killed the Son, and some is future. Those wicked “vine dressers” have not been judged yet. But the “vineyard” was let out to the Church.



That “generation” will pay dearly for crucifying Jesus as well as the Apostles and saints.

:40 WHEN the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.


The Scripture reads that 2 things will happen WHEN the Lord of the Vineyards comes.
1) he'll destroy the wicked men (which the Pharisees knew were them. Vs45)
2) He would let out His Vineyard to other husbandman.


Do u believe these things have happened or not?

[renee819]

:40 WHEN the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.


The Scripture reads that 2 things will happen WHEN the Lord of the Vineyards comes.
1) he'll destroy the wicked men (which the Pharisees knew were them. Vs45)
2) He would let out His Vineyard to other husbandman.


Do u believe these things have happened or not?

Shag, as I said, some has happened, some not yet, until Jesus comes.

[renee819]

Shag, as I said, some has happened, some not yet, until Jesus comes.

As I wrote above,
Some of this is past---they killed the Son, and some is future. Those wicked “vine dressers” have not been judged yet. But the “vineyard” was let out to the Church.

[Luke]

Is there a temple now to be destroyed ?

There will be third temple built soon.

[Revelationist]

There will be third temple built soon.

Are we not the temple of God now?

[berkeley]

There will be third temple built soon.No scripture anywhere to support that!!!

[Revelationist]

No scripture anywhere to support that!!!


Berkeley is right....

[Dordrecht]

Bible prophecy is clear that once a 7 year Mideast Peace Agreement is signed by the End Time Antichrist, then the 3rd Temple in Jerusalem will be built within the 1st 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation.

Revelation 11:2 clearly speaks of a Temple which is already built by the Mid-7 year point which Revelation pinpoints as being Chapter 13:1.

[Revelationist]

Bible prophecy is clear that once a 7 year Mideast Peace Agreement is signed by the End Time Antichrist, then the 3rd Temple in Jerusalem will be built within the 1st 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation.

Revelation 11:2 clearly speaks of a Temple which is already built by the Mid-7 year point which Revelation pinpoints as being Chapter 13:1.E

Rev. 11:2 only proves the temple was standing when this was wrote... Nothing about it being rebuilt...

[berkeley]

Bible prophecy is clear that once a 7 year Mideast Peace Agreement is signed by the End Time Antichrist, then the 3rd Temple in Jerusalem will be built within the 1st 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation. Revelation 11:2 clearly speaks of a Temple which is already built by the Mid-7 year point which Revelation pinpoints as being Chapter 13:1.Please provide scripture for:

7 yr Mideast peace agreement

a figure called The Antichrist

3rd temple

[Dordrecht]

There are 81 references in scripture about the anti christ.
But since you have made up your mind, why would I waste my time.
I have learned a long time ago that discussing with people who
have made up their mind is useless.
Call me crazy, that's fine. Lol.

[berkeley]

There are 81 references in scripture about the anti christ. But since you have made up your mind, why would I waste my time. I have learned a long time ago that discussing with people who have made up their mind is useless. Call me crazy, that's fine. Lol.Ok. So no scriptures. Got it.

[Dordrecht]

Ok. So no scriptures. Got it.

Suit yourself, I will not waste my time on it.

[Luke]

Please provide scripture for:

7 yr Mideast peace agreement

a figure called The Antichrist

3rd temple

2 Thess. 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Dniel 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Daniel 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

[Timmy]

Bible prophecy is clear that . . .

Pardon the interruption, but I just gotta say, any sentence that starts that way makes me chuckle.

Carry on. :heeheehee

[Dordrecht]

Pardon the interruption, but I just gotta say, any sentence that starts that way makes me chuckle.

Carry on. :heeheehee

Yes, for you no doubt bible prophecy would be funny.
But you might change your mind when you will be caught in the middle of it.

:thumbsup

[Timmy]

Yes, for you no doubt bible prophecy would be funny.
But you might change your mind when you will be caught in the middle of it.

:thumbsup

It wasn't the prophecy that I was chuckling about. It's that it was clear. :lol

[Dordrecht]

Ok. So no scriptures. Got it.

Google "Antichrist in Scripture".

I don't need to post any, you can find it yourself.

:whistle

[BrotherEastman]

makes me wonder if the reading of the 4 blood moons is nothing more than astrology; which, if I am right is displeasing with God?????

[Luke]

makes me wonder if the reading of the 4 blood moons is nothing more than astrology; which, if I am right is displeasing with God?????

Matt 16:3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

luke 21:11 and great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

[shazeep]

ya, i think Astrology is now associated in our minds with prognosticating.

[berkeley]

All those scriptures posted and not one telling of

"the Antichrist"

3rd temple

7 yr peace agreement

[Luke]

All those scriptures posted and not one telling of

"the Antichrist"

3rd temple

7 yr peace agreement

You should probably get your eyes checked. :foottap

2 Thess. 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Dniel 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Daniel 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

[justlookin]

Was Jesus crucified before the 70th week or during the 70th week?

[Luke]

Was Jesus crucified before the 70th week or during the 70th week?

Before.

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

[justlookin]

Before.

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off.

Wouldn't this mean He was crucified in the 70th week? AFTER the 69th (7+62) week?

[Luke]

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off.

Wouldn't this mean He was crucified in the 70th week? AFTER the 69th (7+62) week?

At the end of the 69th week Jesus was crucified. His crucifixion marked the end of week 69.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Notice there is one week left. Also notice that after Messiah is cut off it states that one is yet coming and this one will confirm a covenant with many for ONE WEEK. The week spoken of here is the 70th.

Daniel 12: 4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river. 6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? 7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Notice God references back to the sacrifices being stopped in chapter nine and says that these thing will not happen until the time of the end or end time. Based upon this it seems clear that the 70th week has not happened yet.

[justlookin]

At the end of the 69th week Jesus was crucified. His crucifixion marked the end of week 69.


Not to be argumentative, but that's not how the passage reads.

Again. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off.

What do you think AFTER means in relation to the time frame of threescore and two weeks? Note that the passage does not read "at the end of" as you're suggesting, but uses the term AFTER.

[Luke]

Not to be argumentative, but that's not how the passage reads.

Again. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off.

What do you think AFTER means in relation to the time frame of threescore and two weeks? Note that the passage does not read "at the end of" as you're suggesting, but uses the term AFTER.

Your right it does not say at the end of the 69th week but rather after. I interpreted it as at the because it clearly states that after Messiah is cut off there is still one week left. If The word after does not signify the end of the 69th week and before the beginning. Of the 70th how do you account for the extra week?

[berkeley]

If he was cut off AFTER 69 weeks that would have taken place in the 70th week.

[Praxeas]

All those scriptures posted and not one telling of

"the Antichrist"

3rd temple

7 yr peace agreement

You should probably get your eyes checked. :foottap
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[Praxeas]

Dan 9:25 So know and understand: From the going forth of the message to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until an anointed one, a prince arrives, there will be a period of seven weeks and sixty-two weeks. It will again be built, with plaza and moat, but in distressful times.

Dan 9:26 Now after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one will be cut off and have nothing. As for the city and the sanctuary, the people of the coming prince will destroy them. But his end will come speedily like a flood. Until the end of the war that has been decreed there will be destruction.

Dan 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one week. But in the middle of that week he will bring sacrifices and offerings to a halt. On the wing of abominations will come one who destroys, until the decreed end is poured out on the one who destroys."

[justlookin]

Your right it does not say at the end of the 69th week but rather after. I interpreted it as at the because it clearly states that after Messiah is cut off there is still one week left. If The word after does not signify the end of the 69th week and before the beginning. Of the 70th how do you account for the extra week?

It clearly states that Messiah would be cut off AFTER the 69th week. It does not clearly state that AFTER Messiah is cut off there is still one week left.

If Messiah is cut off AFTER the 69th week, that means He was cut off in the 70th week, which means the 70th week, or at the least a portion of it, has occurred.

[justlookin]

If he was cut off AFTER 69 weeks that would have taken place in the 70th week.

Yes, that's right.

[Luke]

It clearly states that Messiah would be cut off AFTER the 69th week. It does not clearly state that AFTER Messiah is cut off there is still one week left.

If Messiah is cut off AFTER the 69th week, that means He was cut off in the 70th week, which means the 70th week, or at the least a portion of it, has occurred.

You are pulling one word from a passage and leaving out context. Context demands that there is yet a full week to take place sometime after the messiah is cut off.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Please answer me this question was the city of Jerusalem and the temple destroyed when Jesus died or even seven years later? If not the the 70th week cannot have started yet according to the context of this passage no matter how you interpret the word after.

[justlookin]

You are pulling one word from a passage and leaving out context. Context demands that there is yet a full week to take place sometime after the messiah is cut off.

The one word is critical, essential, to the passage and I don't think I'm out of context with the usage of the word. The passage is plain, something will happen AFTER a certain time frame. That's important to the understanding of the scripture. AFTER the 69 weeks, meaning somewhere within the following, 70th week, something will occur. In this case, within context, the cutting off of the Messiah would occur. Not in the 69th week, but AFTER the 69th week.

Context does not demand a full week to take place after the cutting off of the Messiah, context demands for the Messiah to be cut off sometimes after the 69th week. In the 70th week.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Please answer me this question was the city of Jerusalem and the temple destroyed when Jesus died or even seven years later? If not the the 70th week cannot have started yet according to the context of this passage no matter how you interpret the word after.

The word after means after. Subsequent to. Following something.

Actually, the first thing we should determine is if the Messiah was cut off in the 70th week. My position is that the Messiah was cut off during the 70th week, per context of scripture. The city of Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed several decades after the cutting off of the Messiah. This has nothing to do with Messiah being cut off AFTER the 69th week though.

I'm interested in why you would not define the word after as subsequent to, following something.

[Praxeas]

Are you guys reading from the Abrahan Lincoln version?

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.
Dan 9:26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.

[Revelationist]

It clearly states that Messiah would be cut off AFTER the 69th week. It does not clearly state that AFTER Messiah is cut off there is still one week left.

If Messiah is cut off AFTER the 69th week, that means He was cut off in the 70th week, which means the 70th week, or at the least a portion of it, has occurred.

And if he didn't fulfill it all he failed.

[Luke]

The one word is critical, essential, to the passage and I don't think I'm out of context with the usage of the word. The passage is plain, something will happen AFTER a certain time frame. That's important to the understanding of the scripture. AFTER the 69 weeks, meaning somewhere within the following, 70th week, something will occur. In this case, within context, the cutting off of the Messiah would occur. Not in the 69th week, but AFTER the 69th week.

Context does not demand a full week to take place after the cutting off of the Messiah, context demands for the Messiah to be cut off sometimes after the 69th week. In the 70th week.



The word after means after. Subsequent to. Following something.

Actually, the first thing we should determine is if the Messiah was cut off in the 70th week. My position is that the Messiah was cut off during the 70th week, per context of scripture. The city of Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed several decades after the cutting off of the Messiah. This has nothing to do with Messiah being cut off AFTER the 69th week though.

I'm interested in why you would not define the word after as subsequent to, following something.

Was the temple and the city destroyed when Jesus was crucified? According to the the text these events must happen before a final week takes place. Do you believe in 71 weeks?

[justlookin]

Was the temple and the city destroyed when Jesus was crucified? According to the the text these events must happen before a final week takes place. Do you believe in 71 weeks?

The question is, when was Jesus crucified according to the passage of Daniel 9:26, in the 69th week or the 70th week. To have Him crucified in the 69th week demands a redefinition of the word "after". It's a key word in the verse, with the entirety of the event hinging on one's definition of "after".

In your view, "after" means the event happened not subsequent to, or following, the 69th week but during the 69th week because of your redefinition of the word. We all have our personal views and I appreciate your willingness to discuss the passage. We simply disagree on the definition of the word "after" and I guess we should just leave it at that.

[Luke]

I agree it was after but not during the 70th week. This seems clear sense it states that the city and the sanctuary will be destroyed before the 70th week.

[berkeley]

how did we arrive at 62 weeks? the text reads that messiah was murdered at 62 weeks.

the confirmed covenant is one week, accounting for 63 weeks.

what happened to the 7 weeks in verse 25?

[justlookin]

I agree it was after but not during the 70th week. This seems clear sense it states that the city and the sanctuary will be destroyed before the 70th week.

In your view, what week followed the 69th week, the week subsequent to the 69th week in which Messiah was cut off? Numerically I mean.

[justlookin]

how did we arrive at 62 weeks? the text reads that messiah was murdered at 62 weeks.

the confirmed covenant is one week, accounting for 63 weeks.

what happened to the 7 weeks in verse 25?

The time period of the prophecy was broken down to 7 weeks + 62 weeks + 1 week (Daniel 9:25-27). Daniel 9:26 is referring to the period immediately following the distinctive 62 week period.

[Luke]

In your view, what week followed the 69th week, the week subsequent to the 69th week in which Messiah was cut off? Numerically I mean. In my view it has not happened yet. When Jesus was rejected by the Jews and crucified the weeks paused. In the text it says that the one who confirms the covenant for one week would be from those who came and destroyed the sanctuary and the city. Those things did not happen for some years after Jesus was crucified. It cannot seem to happen until the sacrifices are happening again.

[justlookin]

In my view it has not happened yet. When Jesus was rejected by the Jews and crucified the weeks paused. In the text it says that the one who confirms the covenant for one week would be from those who came and destroyed the sanctuary and the city. Those things did not happen for some years after Jesus was crucified. It cannot seem to happen until the sacrifices are happening again.

Jesus was then crucified in a paused week, not in week 69 or week 70? I don't agree with that, if that's what you're saying, but I do appreciate your discussion on the question.

[Timmy]

It's all so clear now! :heeheehee

[justlookin]

It's all so clear now! :heeheehee

Explain it to me then! :)

[shazeep]

It's all so clear now! :heeheehee:lol you just have to cock your head at just the right angle. i've found it also helps to plug both ears...

[Dordrecht]

:lol you just have to cock your head at just the right angle. i've found it also helps to plug both ears...

And take the blinds off your eyes……..:icecream

[shazeep]

And take the blinds off your eyes……..:icecreamwell, that seems unfair, in light of the lack of consistency here, among those who should be considered sighted?

[Timmy]

Explain it to me then! :)

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[shazeep]

:popcorn2

[justlookin]

http://focusfeaturesmedia.com/uploads/image/mediafile/1267650441-630bb61197ed4a42e0ac3a17441aebf6/480.jpg

Well yeah.....NOW it makes sense!!

[Pressing-On]

Debunking the Blood Moon Theory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--kA2-5z2zI#t=366

[Scott Pitta]

I prefer my theology to be based on the NT. Since the writers of the NT did mention signs of the second coming, yet did not mention anything about 4 blood moons, I see no biblical basis for such a lunar focus.

Eschatology makes fools of us all.

[FlamingZword]

I prefer my theology to be based on the NT. Since the writers of the NT did mention signs of the second coming, yet did not mention anything about 4 blood moons, I see no biblical basis for such a lunar focus.

Eschatology makes fools of us all.

Correction
Bad Eschatology makes fools of some of you. :heeheehee

[KeptByTheWord]

I prefer my theology to be based on the NT. Since the writers of the NT did mention signs of the second coming, yet did not mention anything about 4 blood moons, I see no biblical basis for such a lunar focus.

Eschatology makes fools of us all.

So far, the "blood moon" hype has not materialized to reveal anything significant, lol. Which is usually what happens when people speak these kinds of prophecies. Yet, they've made their money... and then come out and say "well, what I really meant to say was __________ (fill in the blank)".... lol

[KeptByTheWord]

Debunking the Blood Moon Theory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--kA2-5z2zI#t=366

Excellent. Thanks for sharing.

[mfblume]

In my view it has not happened yet. When Jesus was rejected by the Jews and crucified the weeks paused. In the text it says that the one who confirms the covenant for one week would be from those who came and destroyed the sanctuary and the city. Those things did not happen for some years after Jesus was crucified. It cannot seem to happen until the sacrifices are happening again.

Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

The one who confirmed the covenant was Jesus, Not the one who would destroy the city. Jesus ministered for three and a half years then the same duration occurred after the cross before gentle were saved. So it was solely for Israel for one week.

[Pressing-On]

Excellent. Thanks for sharing.
:thumbsup

I thought is was good as well.