Interpretation of Tongues and Doctrine?

[Praxeas]

Does God use Tongues and Interpretation to correct false doctrine? Do interpretations ever correct a church or person's false understanding of the Trinity/Oneness/Unitarianism? Baptism? Salvation? Women preachers?

[Aquila]

Does God use Tongues and Interpretation to correct false doctrine? Do interpretations ever correct a church or person's false understanding of the Trinity/Oneness/Unitarianism? Baptism? Salvation? Women preachers?

I don't believe so. As with interpretations of Scripture, spiritual interpretations/impressions from the Spirit are subject to human error. We are imperfect filters. Also, interpretations are subject to our limited vocabulary, ability to speak, current concepts and understandings.

[Praxeas]

I don't believe so. As with interpretations of Scripture, spiritual interpretations/impressions from the Spirit are subject to human error. We are imperfect filters. Also, interpretations are subject to our limited vocabulary, ability to speak, current concepts and understandings.
Wouldn't it be easy for God to say through interpretation "Don't allow women to preach or teach"?

[Amanah]

I believe that tongues & interpretations will always be for edification and building up the congregation, not for causing division

[Praxeas]

I believe that tongues & interpretations will always be for edification and building up the congregation, not for causing division
Correction is not division but I agree that T&I are for edification of the body

[Amanah]

I don't believe I've ever heard "correction" in T&I

[Pressing-On]

I don't believe I've ever heard "correction" in T&I

I was in a service where I gave the interpretation. We were visitors, so I had no idea what I was speaking about or to whom. I don't recall the whole interpretation given, which you normally don't anyway, but one portion was, "...rend your hearts and not your garments..."

The pastor thanked me for being sensitive and following after the Spirit, and went on to say that it was spot on with what the church needed to hear.

So, in that instance, God was correcting someone or the church body as a whole.

[Praxeas]

Yes but even that follows the "edification" idea. Someone needed to move closer to God/Repent etc etc.

The closest I've heard a T&I support doctrine or correct doctrine etc was an Evangelist meeting.

The preacher was preaching every service on salvation but he would not get to Repentance and baptism till the end. His entire message was leading up to committing one's salvation to God by repenting and being baptized etc etc. Maybe from time to time in some messages he mentioned it but it was usually near the end.

So after one message he ended it by imploring those there to repent and be baptized in Jesus name. He would ask "Why not be repent? Why not be baptized in Jesus name? Why not receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost with speaking in tongues? etc etc..

Then the Spirt began to move, you could really feel it. I had a friend there from his AoG church and he brought some people with him.

There went out tongues and then the interpretation. The Lady who gave it was right next to them. The Message I remember not verbatim but said in essence the Preacher has spoken to you the truth today. Why don't you obey? Only I can kill and give Life

[Pressing-On]

Yes but even that follows the "edification" idea. Someone needed to move closer to God/Repent etc etc.
Yes, it does follow the "edification" idea. Correction can be edifying, unless you reject the instruction.

The closest I've heard a T&I support doctrine or correct doctrine etc was an Evangelist meeting.

The preacher was preaching every service on salvation but he would not get to Repentance and baptism till the end. His entire message was leading up to committing one's salvation to God by repenting and being baptized etc etc. Maybe from time to time in some messages he mentioned it but it was usually near the end.

So after one message he ended it by imploring those there to repent and be baptized in Jesus name. He would ask "Why not be repent? Why not be baptized in Jesus name? Why not receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost with speaking in tongues? etc etc..

Then the Spirt began to move, you could really feel it. I had a friend there from his AoG church and he brought some people with him.

There went out tongues and then the interpretation. The Lady who gave it was right next to them. The Message I remember not verbatim but said in essence the Preacher has spoken to you the truth today. Why don't you obey? Only I can kill and give Life
Yes, I have been in many services where the interpretation specifically says what I highlighted from your post - confirming the speaker's message.

[navygoat1998]

Yes but even that follows the "edification" idea. Someone needed to move closer to God/Repent etc etc.

The closest I've heard a T&I support doctrine or correct doctrine etc was an Evangelist meeting.

The preacher was preaching every service on salvation but he would not get to Repentance and baptism till the end. His entire message was leading up to committing one's salvation to God by repenting and being baptized etc etc. Maybe from time to time in some messages he mentioned it but it was usually near the end.

So after one message he ended it by imploring those there to repent and be baptized in Jesus name. He would ask "Why not be repent? Why not be baptized in Jesus name? Why not receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost with speaking in tongues? etc etc..

Then the Spirt began to move, you could really feel it. I had a friend there from his AoG church and he brought some people with him.

There went out tongues and then the interpretation. The Lady who gave it was right next to them. The Message I remember not verbatim but said in essence the Preacher has spoken to you the truth today. Why don't you obey? Only I can kill and give Life

How did your friends from the AG church react? Did they feel conviction?

[Abiding Now]

At some place and time, "GAWD has corrected" someone, probably the person receiving the correction received it because the tongues giver felt they NEEDED a good correction. :heeheehee

[Luke]

If something is clearly set forth in the Bible and people will not receive it why would they accept it if there was a tongues or interpretation. Instead of teaching doctrine I believe can and does convict of hidden sin and confirm the word preached as well as convict sinners as well as encourage believers.

[Praxeas]

How did your friends from the AG church react? Did they feel conviction?
One woman was baptized in Jesus name but my friend said she was unstable to begin with.

If any "felt" conviction they did not tell me

[votivesoul]

I've heard tales of Spirit-filled groups without free access to the Word being instructed in doctrine by the Lord through such means, but as I say, these are "tales", ones which I cannot confirm to be accurate.

I would not think that anyone who has access to the Bible would need this kind of indoctrination, when the Spirit and the Word are present to do the job.

Plus, I fear such gifts, if they were meant to teach and indoctrinate, would only end up "confirming" the previously held views of the local assembly, so that one church says X is true Biblical doctrine because the Spirit said so through tongues and interpretation, while the church down the street and around the block says Y is true Biblical doctrine because the Spirit said so through tongues and interpretation (with X and Y being mutually exclusive).

I mean if people and churches can't even agree on the basics and so split off into denominations, I fail to see how the charismata would be something God would use to try and bring people back to center.

[Amanah]

I've heard tales of Spirit-filled groups without free access to the Word being instructed in doctrine by the Lord through such means, but as I say, these are "tales", ones which I cannot confirm to be accurate.

I would not think that anyone who has access to the Bible would need this kind of indoctrination, when the Spirit and the Word are present to do the job.

Plus, I fear such gifts, if they were meant to teach and indoctrinate, would only end up "confirming" the previously held views of the local assembly, so that one church says X is true Biblical doctrine because the Spirit said so through tongues and interpretation, while the church down the street and around the block says Y is true Biblical doctrine because the Spirit said so through tongues and interpretation (with X and Y being mutually exclusive).

I mean if people and churches can't even agree on the basics and so split off into denominations, I fail to see how the charismata would be something God would use to try and bring people back to center.

I agree.

[Aquila]

Wouldn't it be easy for God to say through interpretation "Don't allow women to preach or teach"?

Yes. But as listeners, it's our duty to recognize that the human filter may not be interpreting the Spirit properly. For example, does he mean that women shouldn't teach at all? Shouldn't teach on doctrinal matters without being under authority? Shouldn't teach men in general, but can teach women and children? I mean... the filter can impose their own opinion on an interpretation. It's often a "still small voice" of the Spirit... it's easy to shade it's meaning if a vessel is very opinionated.

[Aquila]

I believe that tongues & interpretations will always be for edification and building up the congregation, not for causing division

Amen... but what if the "building up" of the body causes division? For example, a message admonishing a higher standard of practice in one area of life... an area wherein part of the congregation disagrees and opposes the admonishment?

[Praxeas]

If something is clearly set forth in the Bible and people will not receive it why would they accept it if there was a tongues or interpretation. Instead of teaching doctrine I believe can and does convict of hidden sin and confirm the word preached as well as convict sinners as well as encourage believers.
Sounds like a cessatinists argument. Why did God send Israel prophets when they had the Torah and didn't receive it

[Amanah]

Amen... but what if the "building up" of the body causes division? For example, a message admonishing a higher standard of practice in one area of life... an area wherein part of the congregation disagrees and opposes the admonishment?

I don't know Aquila.

This just seems contrary to sweet gentle wooing of the Spirit that typically accompanies this gift, in my experience.

[Pressing-On]

I think that we need to keep Hebrews 4:12 in mind -"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

The operation of the gifts, especially tongues and interpretation, will never go outside of His Word. If His Word pierces even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of our hearts, He is going to be very pointed in the interpretation.

However, even in that, at some point in the interpretation, I have never experienced where He didn't reassure of His love and care in some way. So, even then, it comes across as a gentle wooing of His Spirit.

[shazeep]

Amen... but what if the "building up" of the body causes division? For example, a message admonishing a higher standard of practice in one area of life... an area wherein part of the congregation disagrees and opposes the admonishment?um, building up by admonishing? hmm...granted, there is (arguably) a time for admonishment, but wouldn't that be tearing down?

[KeptByTheWord]

According to Paul's writings in 1 Cor. 14, the purpose of prophecy is to learn, and to be comforted.

1 Cor. 14:31 "For ye all may prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be comforted."

Nothing there about correction, doctrine, or rebuke.

[Aquila]

um, building up by admonishing? hmm...granted, there is (arguably) a time for admonishment, but wouldn't that be tearing down?

For example: What if the Holy Spirit admonishes a congregation to delve into deeper and more frequent prayer? So the elders open up the midweek gatherings to be prayer meetings twice a month. This is planned to be in place for the next 4 months, or until God redirects them. However, a small group of people who feel that there should be a sermon preached in those gatherings (instead of there being a prayer meeting) begin bickering and mounting discontent.

Notice... the Spirit is admonishing the congregation to something beneficial and personally edifying... but it's causing some degree of disagreement and division.

[Pressing-On]

According to Paul's writings in 1 Cor. 14, the purpose of prophecy is to learn, and to be comforted.

1 Cor. 14:31 "For ye all may prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be comforted."

Nothing there about correction, doctrine, or rebuke.

Do we not "learn" from correction and doctrine? Are we not comforted by correction and doctrine?

Prax spoke of a T&I confirming the message on repentance, baptism in Jesus name and receiving the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues.

That is teaching doctrine and making correction. I find comfort in truth.

[KeptByTheWord]

Do we not "learn" from correction and doctrine? Are we not comforted by correction and doctrine?

Prax spoke of a T&I confirming the message on repentance, baptism in Jesus name and receiving the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues.

That is teaching doctrine and making correction. I find comfort in truth.

Yes, I certainly think that correction and doctrine could fall under the learning banner. I was just showing exactly what the Apostle Paul said that prophesy was for.

However, as others, namely Aquila, have pointed out... anything that comes through our human filter is somewhat subject to failure, and that is why Paul also admonished that T&I not be accepted at face value, but for others to judge.

1 Cor. 14:29 "Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge."

[shazeep]

For example: What if the Holy Spirit admonishes a congregation to delve into deeper and more frequent prayer? So the elders open up the midweek gatherings to be prayer meetings twice a month. This is planned to be in place for the next 4 months, or until God redirects them. However, a small group of people who feel that there should be a sermon preached in those gatherings (instead of there being a prayer meeting) begin bickering and mounting discontent.

Notice... the Spirit is admonishing the congregation to something beneficial and personally edifying... but it's causing some degree of disagreement and division.Hmm. Funny you would pick that example, as i have somewhat of a discontent myself @ corporate prayer (hence the current "prayer effective" threads)...but nevermind :lol

[Pressing-On]

Yes, I certainly think that correction and doctrine could fall under the learning banner. I was just showing exactly what the Apostle Paul said that prophesy was for.

However, as others, namely Aquila, have pointed out... anything that comes through our human filter is somewhat subject to failure, and that is why Paul also admonished that T&I not be accepted at face value, but for others to judge.

1 Cor. 14:29 "Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge."
I certainly agree with this.

Reading over what Paul is saying, it is clear that the hearers are comforted by what they "learned". So, what are we supposing the hearers "learned"?