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Originalist
05-10-2014, 05:20 PM
http://www.charismamag.com/blogs/fire-in-my-bones/20325-6-really-bad-charismatic-doctrines-we-should-retire



6 Really Bad Charismatic Doctrines We Should Retire

10:00AM EDT 5/7/2014 J. Lee Grady


I will never apologize for being a charismatic Christian. I had a dramatic experience with the Holy Spirit many years ago, and nobody can talk me out of it. I love the Holy Spirit’s abiding presence in my life and His supernatural gifts. I love to prophesy, speak in tongues, pray for the sick and see people changed by the Spirit’s power.

At the same time, I’m aware that since the charismatic movement began in the 1960s, people have misused the gifts of the Spirit and twisted God’s Word to promote strange doctrines or practices. Seeing these errors never caused me to question the authenticity of what the Holy Spirit had done in my life. But I knew I had to stay true to God’s Word and reject any false teachings I encountered.

My simple rule is based on 1 Thessalonians 5:21-22: “But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; abstain from every form of evil” (NASB). In other words: Eat the meat and spit out the bones.

As I have traveled throughout the body of Christ in recent years, I’ve experienced the good, the bad and the ugly. I love God’s people, and I know there is a healthy remnant of Spirit-filled churches that are striving to stay grounded in biblical truth. But I also know we have reached a crossroads. We must clean up our act. We must jettison any weird doctrines we might have believed or practiced that are hindering our growth today.

Here are a few of the worst errors that have circulated in our movement in the past season. You may have others that need to be added to this list. I believe we are grieving the Holy Spirit if we continue to practice these things:

1. "Touch not My anointed." Chances are you’ve heard this weird doctrine based on 1 Chronicles 16:22. In an attempt to discourage any form of disagreement in the church, insecure leaders tell their members that if they ever question church authority, they are “touching the Lord’s anointed” and in danger of God’s judgment. Let’s call this what it is: spiritual manipulation. It creates worse problems by ruling out healthy discussion and mutual respect. Church members end up being abused or controlled—or even blacklisted because they dare to ask a question.

2. Dual covenant. We charismatics love and respect Israel. Some of us even incorporate Jewish practices in our worship—such as wearing prayer shawls, blowing shofars or celebrating Hebraic feasts. These things can enrich our Christian experience—but some leaders go too far when they begin to teach that Jews don’t need to believe in Jesus Christ to experience salvation. They imply that Jews have special access into heaven simply because of their ethnic heritage. This is a flagrant contradiction of everything the New Testament teaches.

3. Inaccessible leadership. In the 1980s, some charismatic ministries began to teach pastors and traveling ministers that in order to “protect the anointing,” they must stay aloof from people. Ministers were warned to never make friends in their congregations. Preachers began the strange practice of skipping worship on Sunday mornings—and then appearing on the stage only when it was time for the sermon in order to make a dramatic entrance. Shame on these people for attempting to justify arrogance. Jesus loved people, and He made Himself available to them. So should we.

4. Armor-bearers. The same guys who developed item No. 3 started this strange fad. Preachers began the practice of surrounding themselves with an entourage: one person to carry the briefcase, another person to carry the Bible, another to carry the handkerchief. Some preachers hired bodyguards … and even food-tasters! The armor-bearers were promised special blessings if they served preachers who acted like slave-owners. Reminder: True leaders are servants, not egomaniacs.

5. The hundredfold return. Before his death in 2003, Kenneth Hagin Sr., the father of the faith movement, rebuked his own followers for taking prosperity teaching to a silly extreme. In his book The Midas Touch, he begged preachers to stop misusing Mark 10:28-30 to suggest that God promises a hundredfold return on every offering we give. Hagin wrote, “If the hundredfold return worked literally and mathematically for everyone who gave in an offering, we would have Christians walking around with not billions or trillions of dollars, but quadrillions of dollars!” Hagin taught that the hundredfold blessing refers to the rewards that come to those who leave all they have to serve God in ministry.

6. Money cometh. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for giving money publicly to be seen by others. Yet in the 1990s, some charismatics got the wild idea that God would release a magical blessing if we would drop wads of dollar bills at the preacher’s feet while he was in the middle of his sermon. Leroy Thompson of Louisiana popularized this flamboyant practice with his infamous 1996 sermon, in which he encouraged people to shout in King James English, “Money! Cometh to me now!” Then the people would run to the front of the auditorium to pour cash into his coffers. The money came, for sure, and more cash-hungry preachers jumped on the bandwagon. Taking an offering became a form of exhibitionism, and Christians began viewing their offerings like lottery scratch-offs.

God requires holiness not just in our behavior but also in our doctrine. Let’s discard these and any other foolish teachings that have brought confusion and dishonor to the body of Christ.

J. Lee Grady is the former editor of Charisma. You can follow him on Twitter at @leegrady. He is the author of The Holy Spirit Is Not for Sale and other books.

Disciple4life
05-10-2014, 05:36 PM
Wow!!! Really like this article.

One of the things I noticed is it mentions Kenneth Hagin Sr.

I have never brought this up before but I have a soft spot in my heart for Hagin.
When I first started seeking for the Baptism of the Holy Ghost I read one of his books.
The church I went to had some tracts but didn't have any books on tongues.
But me and my wife went into a local Christian bookstore and I found one of his books.

Yes there were things that Oneness Pentecostals disagree with him on, but there were many things that I learned from him to.
Anyway years later when he tried to reign in some of the prosperity doctrine in, I knew this was the same man who loved the Lord and wrote the book I read. He humbled himself and tried to correct mistakes he had made.

Sean
05-10-2014, 05:49 PM
Great post brother!

mfblume
05-10-2014, 06:46 PM
Number 2 is what worries me a lot for some circles! WOW.

TJJJ
05-10-2014, 07:04 PM
Number 2 is what worries me a lot for some circles! WOW.

Ya think?

This one is embraced by many many apostolic Christians! They flat out will get Hostile when you tell them that we are the Israel of God!

They hate the truth beyond imagination.

Sean
05-11-2014, 08:08 AM
Number 2 is what worries me a lot for some circles! WOW.




Amen Mike, I have seen this come into our churches over the last 20 years gradually. Now we are seeing brethren dressing up like rabbis among us and trying to keep sabbaths etc.
The songs like"I will dance like David dance" were to me, a subtle intro to this stuff.
We are the ones that should be showing the Jews how to worship. Theirs is "Spiritless". (rocking back and forth at a wall) etc.
The early church did not try to "mimic" Judaism....this new thing is weird to say the least.

Fionn mac Cumh
05-12-2014, 08:05 AM
The prosperity doctrine and all of its forms need to be fire bombed to holy hell.

Abiding Now
05-12-2014, 02:03 PM
Never heard any of this preached in an Apostolic Pentecostal church, must be a trinny thing.

n david
05-12-2014, 07:37 PM
Great article! I agree, these all need to be done away with.

Originalist
05-12-2014, 07:52 PM
Never heard any of this preached in an Apostolic Pentecostal church, must be a trinny thing.

1,3 and 4

mfblume
05-12-2014, 09:28 PM
Amen Mike, I have seen this come into our churches over the last 20 years gradually. Now we are seeing brethren dressing up like rabbis among us and trying to keep sabbaths etc.
The songs like"I will dance like David dance" were to me, a subtle intro to this stuff.
We are the ones that should be showing the Jews how to worship. Theirs is "Spiritless". (rocking back and forth at a wall) etc.
The early church did not try to "mimic" Judaism....this new thing is weird to say the least.

AMEN!

Timmy
05-13-2014, 07:49 AM
7. Unbelievers don't really love. Can't have agape love. Their love is selfish. Etc. (It's not even Biblical.)

Abiding Now
05-13-2014, 11:49 AM
1,3 and 4

Thankfully, :clap not in my circle of friends.

wordsponge
05-13-2014, 12:41 PM
http://www.charismamag.com/blogs/fire-in-my-bones/20325-6-really-bad-charismatic-doctrines-we-should-retire



6 Really Bad Charismatic Doctrines We Should Retire

10:00AM EDT 5/7/2014 J. Lee Grady


I will never apologize for being a charismatic Christian. I had a dramatic experience with the Holy Spirit many years ago, and nobody can talk me out of it. I love the Holy Spirit’s abiding presence in my life and His supernatural gifts. I love to prophesy, speak in tongues, pray for the sick and see people changed by the Spirit’s power.


At the same time, I’m aware that since the charismatic movement began in the 1960s, people have misused the gifts of the Spirit and twisted God’s Word to promote strange doctrines or practices. Seeing these errors never caused me to question the authenticity of what the Holy Spirit had done in my life. But I knew I had to stay true to God’s Word and reject any false teachings I encountered.

My simple rule is based on 1 Thessalonians 5:21-22: “But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; abstain from every form of evil” (NASB). In other words: Eat the meat and spit out the bones.

As I have traveled throughout the body of Christ in recent years, I’ve experienced the good, the bad and the ugly. I love God’s people, and I know there is a healthy remnant of Spirit-filled churches that are striving to stay grounded in biblical truth. But I also know we have reached a crossroads. We must clean up our act. We must jettison any weird doctrines we might have believed or practiced that are hindering our growth today.

Here are a few of the worst errors that have circulated in our movement in the past season. You may have others that need to be added to this list. I believe we are grieving the Holy Spirit if we continue to practice these things:

1. "Touch not My anointed." Chances are you’ve heard this weird doctrine based on 1 Chronicles 16:22. In an attempt to discourage any form of disagreement in the church, insecure leaders tell their members that if they ever question church authority, they are “touching the Lord’s anointed” and in danger of God’s judgment. Let’s call this what it is: spiritual manipulation. It creates worse problems by ruling out healthy discussion and mutual respect. Church members end up being abused or controlled—or even blacklisted because they dare to ask a question.

2. Dual covenant. We charismatics love and respect Israel. Some of us even incorporate Jewish practices in our worship—such as wearing prayer shawls, blowing shofars or celebrating Hebraic feasts. These things can enrich our Christian experience—but some leaders go too far when they begin to teach that Jews don’t need to believe in Jesus Christ to experience salvation. They imply that Jews have special access into heaven simply because of their ethnic heritage. This is a flagrant contradiction of everything the New Testament teaches.

3. Inaccessible leadership. In the 1980s, some charismatic ministries began to teach pastors and traveling ministers that in order to “protect the anointing,” they must stay aloof from people. Ministers were warned to never make friends in their congregations. Preachers began the strange practice of skipping worship on Sunday mornings—and then appearing on the stage only when it was time for the sermon in order to make a dramatic entrance. Shame on these people for attempting to justify arrogance. Jesus loved people, and He made Himself available to them. So should we.

4. Armor-bearers. The same guys who developed item No. 3 started this strange fad. Preachers began the practice of surrounding themselves with an entourage: one person to carry the briefcase, another person to carry the Bible, another to carry the handkerchief. Some preachers hired bodyguards … and even food-tasters! The armor-bearers were promised special blessings if they served preachers who acted like slave-owners. Reminder: True leaders are servants, not egomaniacs.

5. The hundredfold return. Before his death in 2003, Kenneth Hagin Sr., the father of the faith movement, rebuked his own followers for taking prosperity teaching to a silly extreme. In his book The Midas Touch, he begged preachers to stop misusing Mark 10:28-30 to suggest that God promises a hundredfold return on every offering we give. Hagin wrote, “If the hundredfold return worked literally and mathematically for everyone who gave in an offering, we would have Christians walking around with not billions or trillions of dollars, but quadrillions of dollars!” Hagin taught that the hundredfold blessing refers to the rewards that come to those who leave all they have to serve God in ministry.

6. Money cometh. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for giving money publicly to be seen by others. Yet in the 1990s, some charismatics got the wild idea that God would release a magical blessing if we would drop wads of dollar bills at the preacher’s feet while he was in the middle of his sermon. Leroy Thompson of Louisiana popularized this flamboyant practice with his infamous 1996 sermon, in which he encouraged people to shout in King James English, “Money! Cometh to me now!” Then the people would run to the front of the auditorium to pour cash into his coffers. The money came, for sure, and more cash-hungry preachers jumped on the bandwagon. Taking an offering became a form of exhibitionism, and Christians began viewing their offerings like lottery scratch-offs.

God requires holiness not just in our behavior but also in our doctrine. Let’s discard these and any other foolish teachings that have brought confusion and dishonor to the body of Christ.

J. Lee Grady is the former editor of Charisma. You can follow him on Twitter at @leegrady. He is the author of The Holy Spirit Is Not for Sale and other books.
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If they are from the Apostles THEN...
MEN cannot OVER RULE GOD.
The Jews tried...

n david
05-14-2014, 12:13 AM
I've heard #1 used a LOT, even here on AFF.

Not sure about Dual covenant or special access, but the associate pastor of a church I was in bought a "genuine" prayer shawl from Israel; and another church we used to rent a building from observed Jewish feasts with special services, singing and speaking in Hebrew.

Was told #3 was important, so the congregation wouldn't view leaders as friends or peers. Don't agree with it at all.

Thankfully, I've heard of, but haven't personally experienced #4, 5 or 6.

I have a couple to add to the list:

#7: "Seed Offering."

#8: "Holy Magic Hair"

Sean
05-14-2014, 07:36 AM
I've heard #1 used a LOT, even here on AFF.

Not sure about Dual covenant or special access, but the associate pastor of a church I was in bought a "genuine" prayer shawl from Israel; and another church we used to rent a building from observed Jewish feasts with special services, singing and speaking in Hebrew.

Was told #3 was important, so the congregation wouldn't view leaders as friends or peers. Don't agree with it at all.

Thankfully, I've heard of, but haven't personally experienced #4, 5 or 6.

I have a couple to add to the list:

#7: "Seed Offering."

#8: "Holy Magic Hair"






Hey bro. This seed offering thing is the biggest racket I have ever seen in my life. When I first saw it on TV, my jaw dropped. They ask for thousand dollar minimum seeds and guarantee you to get a big return on your "investment"


It make Christianity STINK to high heavens to unbelievers watching this.

Fionn mac Cumh
05-14-2014, 09:06 AM
Hey bro. This seed offering thing is the biggest racket I have ever seen in my life. When I first saw it on TV, my jaw dropped. They ask for thousand dollar minimum seeds and guarantee you to get a big return on your "investment"


It make Christianity STINK to high heavens to unbelievers watching this.

There is a special place in hell for Mike Murdoch and his seed gospel. He never preaches salvation.

Sean
05-14-2014, 01:31 PM
AMEN

Fionn mac Cumh
05-14-2014, 01:36 PM
I am serious when I say that I cannot express the utter disdain and hatred I have for the prosperity gospel. People who preach that pray of poor people who really dont know their scripture. I would love to hear of Mike Murdoch preaching at a church near me. I really would.

Sean
05-15-2014, 07:42 AM
Sound like time to get out the whips and turn over some tables. That would make some AWESOME reality TV.

Fionn mac Cumh
05-15-2014, 10:42 AM
Sound like time to get out the whips and turn over some tables. That would make some AWESOME reality TV.

I am down.