Why didn’t GOD forgive the Jews?

[wordsponge]

Luke.23
[34] Then Jesus said:
Father, (GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob)
forgive them,
because they do not know what they are doing.
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The Apostles also confirm the fact.

Acts.3
[17] And now, brethren,
I (Peter) know that through ignorance (darkness) you did it,
like your rulers also did.

1 Cor.2
[7] But we (Apostles) speak the wisdom of GOD,
in a mystery (puzzle ??),
even the hidden wisdom,
that GOD ordained, (planned)
before the world,
to our glory (importance)
[8] that none of the princes (the Jewish Rulers),
of this world knew
for had they known it,
they would not have crucified,
the LORD (of Israel) from (of) glory.
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GOD destroyed 2/3 of the Jews in circa 66 - 70 A.D.
Then he cast away the last 1/3 as non Christian Jews. (Eek.5. 2-12)
GOD emptied the land as he promised. (Isa.13 1-5;….Isa.24:1)
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The remnant of Spiritual Israel,
the children of the Prophets, (who are the Apostles and converts)
GOD gave to Jesus, his HAND, as his inheritance and,
to made into Christians.
Anointed Christians are his NEW People
And they a part of a series of NEW things.
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The Jews will consider their History to be ‘a taunt’ (Ezek.5 :15)

Exek.5
[14] Moreover I will make you (Jews) waste,
and (I will make you),
a reproach among the (local Gentile) nations,
who are around you,
in the sight of all who pass by.
[15] So it (your destruction…in 70 A.D.),
shall be a reproach and a taunt, (an aggravation to you)
and an instruction (a lesson)
and an astonishment to the (local Gentiles) nations.
who are around you, (in Judaea),
when I shall execute (righteous) judgments in you,
in (my) anger and in (my) fury and in (my) furious rebukes.
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I the LORD, (the Most high Father), have said it.
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Luke.23
[34] Then Jesus said:
Father, (GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob)
forgive them,
because they do not know what they are doing.

[Luke]

Have they yet repented?

[Timmy]

Have they yet repented?

Does God require repentance when you don't know what you are doing?!

[Abiding Now]

Does God require repentance when you don't know what you are doing?!

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

[Luke]

Does God require repentance when you don't know what you are doing?!

They knew that according to thier own law they were in the wrong just by the amount of laws they broke.

[Timmy]

They knew that according to thier own law they were in the wrong just by the amount of laws they broke.

What laws?

[Luke]

What laws?

No formal charges were made
No legal basis existed for Jesus' arrest. There were no formal charges registered against him! He, in the Garden of Gethsemane, was simply taken away and tried at the behest of the religious leaders who HATED him (Mark 14:55)!

The Sanhedrin, or more properly the Great Sanhedrin, was the supreme council of the Jews composed of seventy elders plus the high priest. The Great Sanhedrin, who at the time officially met in a chamber within Jerusalem's temple known as the chamber of hewn stones, had jurisdiction over religious matters. Based on the Bible, there had to be at least two or three people charging a particular person with breaking the law:

"One witness shall not rise against a man concerning any iniquity or any sin that he commits; by the mouth of TWO or THREE witnesses the matter shall be established." (Deuteronomy 19:15)

The merits of the defense were not investigated

No investigation by the court was initiated to determine the merits of any accusations:

"If a false witness rises against any man to testify against him of wrongdoing, then both men in the controversy shall stand before the Lord, before the priests and the judges who serve in those days. AND THE JUDGES SHALL MAKE CAREFUL INQUIRY . . . " (Deuteronomy 19:16-18)

Hebrew law provided no lawyers to defend or prosecute. The judges were the defenders and the witnesses the prosecutors. Therefore, the court was supposed to seek for evidence ONLY in behalf of the accused.

The arrest took place at night in order to hide evil

The arrest of Jesus was set in motion by chief priests bribing Judas to take them to him during the NIGHT (Matthew 26:14-16).

"Then Jesus answered and said to them, 'Have you come out, as against a robber, with swords and clubs to take Me? I was DAILY with you in the temple teaching, and YOU DID NOT SEIZE ME . . .' " (Mark 14:48-49)

Judas would not have been needed if the religious leaders were merely looking for ANY opportunity to make an arrest. For, as Jesus stated above, he OPENLY taught in Jerusalem's temple and therefore could have been taken at any time. What the council wanted, however, was to HIDE the evil they were doing! His arrest in the middle of the night was the beginning of the council's planned SUBVERSION of the entire legal process so that they could "legally" murder him! Perverting justice is condemned in scripture:

"You shall not follow a crowd to do evil; nor shall you testify in a dispute so as to turn aside after many to PERVERT JUSTICE." (Exodus 23:2)

"You shall do NO INJUSTICE in judgment . . . You shall not go about as a talebearer among your people; nor shall you take a stand against the life of your neighbor: I am the Lord." (Leviticus 19:15-16)

"YOU SHALL NOT PERVERT JUSTICE . . . " (Deuteronomy 16:19)

The trial was held at night
Jewish law permitted only proceedings that took place during the daylight hours (Mishna, Sanhedrin 4:1, Mendelsohn, Criminal Jurisprudence of the Ancient Hebrews, p. 11).

The trial was held before morning sacrifice at temple
Because the trial began before morning sacrifices at the temple it was illegal based on Jewish law (Talmud, Jer. San. 1:19).

The trial was held before one of God's annual feast days
The trial was illegal, based on Jewish law, because it began on a day before a high Holy Day (First Day of Unleavened Bread - John 18:28).

"They shall not judge on the eve of the Sabbath nor on that of any festival." (Mishna, San. 4:1)

The trial was too short
Both trials were completed in the space of less than five hours. Jewish law says, however, that if a death sentence is pronounced that a trial cannot conclude until the next day (Mishna, Sanhedrin 4:1). There is little doubt that the starting time of the first trial (about 2 a.m.) and its shortness (around three hours) were sought after by the enemies of Jesus because:

1.It minimized the chances that council members who may or would have advocated him (they were not informed of the first trial) suddenly or accidentally showed up.

2.It rendered nearly impossible the chances that any witnesses of the defense could be notified and arrive at the trial in time to offer their testimony.


These are some but there are others.

[wordsponge]

Have they yet repented?

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This is a specific question...

Jesus asked GOD to forgive them...

Regards,

[Luke]

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This is a specific question...

Jesus asked GOD to forgive them...

Regards,

We must repent of sin inorder to be forgiven of sin.

[Timmy]

. . .

Thanks.

[Timmy]

We must repent of sin inorder to be forgiven of sin.

So, what was the point for Jesus to ask God to forgive them, and most specifically to forgive them because they didn't know what they were doing? He would know that requirement, wouldn't he?

I've always thought he was referring only to the soldiers who carried out the execution, as opposed to the religious leaders who plotted it. The soldeiers were just following orders, after all.

[wordsponge]

We must repent of sin inorder to be forgiven of sin.

Sorry,,

[Timmy]

Sorry,,

:spit

[wordsponge]

So, what was the point for Jesus to ask God to forgive them, and most specifically to forgive them because they didn't know what they were doing? He would know that requirement, wouldn't he?

I've always thought he was referring only to the soldiers who carried out the execution, as opposed to the religious leaders who plotted it. The soldeiers were just following orders, after all.
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GOD always gave as Jesus asked.
What happened this time...?

Look at it this way...
GOD takes vengeance for his people, esp. the ones with his Spirit.
If he forgave the crime/s against Jesus,
for whom else did he have to take vengeance?

Regards,,,

[wordsponge]

GOD took vengeance for the Apostles and the Prophets.

Rev.18
[20] Rejoice over her (Jerusalem 70 A.D.),
you heaven,
and you Holy Apostles and Prophetsfor God has avenged you on her. (Jerusalem)
[21] And a mighty
and cast it into the sea saying:
Thus with violence (from the Roman army),
that great city Babylon (spiritually called),
shall be thrown down,
and shall not be found any more at all.

[mfblume]

Have they yet repented?

That is the key! They didn't.

[wordsponge]

That is the key! They didn't.

Sorry Sir,

Jesus, GOD's beloved Son,
asked his Father from on the cross.

[Timmy]

Sorry Sir,

Jesus, GOD's beloved Son,
asked his Father from on the cross.

Did his Father answer that prayer?

Did he answer this prayer: "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me"?

[wordsponge]

Yes Sir,
Vengeance for Zion was on the Books..
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Isa.34
[8] For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompenses for the controversy of
Zion (the killed Prophets and Apostles).
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Prayer #2:

Yes Sir,
but they are like he said:
ONE with the BOTH of them.
They are not attached to men first...

Take care,,, :)

[Timmy]

Yes Sir,
Vengeance for Zion was on the Books..
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Isa.34
[8] For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompenses for the controversy of
Zion (the killed Prophets and Apostles).
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Prayer #2:

Yes Sir,
but they are like he said:
ONE with the BOTH of them.
They are not attached to men first...

Take care,,, :)

:blink

[wordsponge]

What can I say... :)

Isa.55
[8] For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,
saith the LORD (the Father)
[9] For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways,
and my thoughts than your thoughts.

The left is the right and the right is the left.
The best brother...

[mfblume]

Sorry Sir,

Jesus, GOD's beloved Son,
asked his Father from on the cross.

So? Everyone knows that. But people have to repent. The Father is willing to forgive. He does His part. But He cannot forgive those who do not repent.

This is why Revelation says over and over again that "they repented not."

[Praxeas]

God will forgive anyone of ALL their sins if they turn to Christ..why pick on the Jews?

Wordsponge..every one of your posts is a negative about the Jews

[Praxeas]

BTW all the Christians that died under Nero...was that God killing them too?

[wordsponge]

That request from the son have nothing to do with THEM.
It appears that you do not know that...:)

[wordsponge]

We are required to believe the TRUTH from the GOD of TRUTH
that was taught by the Apostles...

Of course heretics will face the righteous judge,
who did not lie...and who also died..

[wordsponge]

Pss.32
[9] Do not be like the horse, or as the mule,
that have no understanding:
whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle,
lest they come near unto you.

Deut.18
[18] I will raise them up a Prophet (JESUS) from among their brethren,
like you,
and I will put my words in his mouth;
and he shall speak unto them EVERYTHING that I shall command him.
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[19] And it shall come to pass,
that whoever will not hearken unto my words that he shall speak in my name,
I will require (demand) it of him.

Acts.3
[22] For Moses truly said unto the fathers:
A Prophet the Lord your GOD shall raise up,
unto you, of your brethren, like unto me;
You shall hear him in ALL things whatever he shall say unto you.
[23] And it shall come to pass,
that every soul, who will not hear that Prophet, (JESUS)
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shall (without knowing it),
be destroyed from among the (TRUE) people.

[mfblume]

Wordsponge..every one of your posts is a negative about the Jews

Hmmmm...

[wordsponge]

Hmmmm...

Hi brother,
I feel that you are a man of good will.
The Lord, since the days of Israel,
always chose, without input...
I sent you a PM ???

Regards,,

[Praxeas]

That request from the son have nothing to do with THEM.
It appears that you do not know that...:)
Please quote the person you are responding to

[wordsponge]

Ok...

Work on your "Quoting Skills"

Grace to you...