Divine Impartation

[Dante]

Can someone give another person the Holy Spirit? Can a preacher impart "the anointing" in to another person? The Holy Spirit is given without measure, right? How can someone give another more of the Holy Spirit than what someone might already have?

[shazeep]

ya, not buying it. the Spirit is received at salvation, lost in sinning, and reacquired by rebound, John 1:9. imo.

[shazeep]

ok but a pastor might lead someone away from grieving the Spirit...but this Hollywood thing you seem to be portraying, c'mon

[kclee4jc]

The Holy Ghost cannot be imparted or transferred from one person to another. I do believe faith can and I do believe that certain gifts of the Spirit can be imparted from one person to another.

I also believe that there are certain character virtues and attitudes can be imparted, but perhaps not in the same way a spiritual gift could be directly imparted. For instance, many times a week I spend time in prayer with my pastor even though we are not "praying together". Because of this I have felt my own prayer life reach levels in the Spirit that I do not feel I ever could have reached on my own. Over a period of several years, spending hours upon hours in prayer in thee same room as my pastor I feel that there has been a depth of prayer that has been imparted/transmitted into my Spirit because of my association with him. I notice this with other men of God that I am exposed to. I have seen my prayer life and what "ministry" I have shaped because of my exposure to various men of God. What astounds me is that often times I don't even realize it's happening at the time. That is why wee should be cautious about the company we keep and those we allow to influence us. It has worked both ways in my Own life.

[kclee4jc]

The Lord told Moses to lay hands on Joshua and "put some of thine honor upon him."

[shazeep]

thereby clearing the way for every would-be Moses to re-enact the scene sans the Lord, unfortunately. But good point.

[wordsponge]

Hi,

Only Jesus had the Spirit
without measure.

Eph.4
[7] ...to every one of us is given grace,
according to the measure (the amount) of the gift (of the Spirit),
of/ by Christ (who anoints us)

Rev.22
[16] I Jesus have sent my angel
to testify these things to you, in the churches.
++
I am the root (the LORD) and the offspring of David,
and the bright and morning star.
++
[17] And the Spirit and the bride say, Come.
And let him who hears say, Come.
And let him who is athirst (for the Spirit) come.
And whoever wills,

let him >> take the water of life freely. (unhindered)

An exact, but simple, baptism method must be followed,
and the "unspeakables" start happening.


If you are willing ...
wordsponge@bell.net

I will send you the info...

Keep well,

[Aquila]

God is sovereign. He can rain the Spirit down without the laying on of hands... or choose to flow through the laying on of hands. He can do as He wishes whenever He wishes.

[Ferd]

Can someone give another person the Holy Spirit? Can a preacher impart "the anointing" in to another person? The Holy Spirit is given without measure, right? How can someone give another more of the Holy Spirit than what someone might already have?

short answer? NO.


Longer, more nuanced answer?

No one but God gives the spirit. but the scripture does seem to indicate that Elders have a role to play.

We see this in Acts 8 when Phillip preachs to the Samaritans. They believe, they are baptized, but they do not receive the Holy Spirit until Peter and John come and lay hands upon them.

We also have James' witness where he calls for the sick to call on the Elders of the church to pray and call on the name of Jesus.

Heb. speaks of "the doctrine of laying on of hands"

Clearly there is intention by God to see men of faith being used to impart what God intends. That does not in any way deminish that it is God who does whatever is done. AND that does not in any way bring honor to the elder used by God. The honor is always God's.

[Roxanne Murphy]

So, please explain from scripture how one 'loses' the Holy Spirit by sinning and 'regains' it on 'rebound'.

I just love old traditional teachings that can't be supported by scripture. NOT!

[Sean]

Well, maybe the better way to look at it, if I may, is if we are "sinning"(besetting sins) we are not "walking in the Spirit".

When we are walkng in the Spirit, we are in communion with the Lord at the level that He requires of us.

Anything less than that is sin. And you and I know what the end result of sin is.

I dont think the Holy Spirit within us just jumps out of us when we sin, unless we become completely bound by sin.

Jesus(having the Holy Ghost himself...Luke 4:1) BECAME sin for us on the cross and was conseqentially forsaken by God before he died. Thats what sin will do if we let it "dominate" us.

The Holy Ghost may leave a backslider or it may lay dormant in a brother or sister that loves God and are miserably bound by a certain sin. The Holy Ghost within them is trying to empower them to repent and walk in the Spirit as the very reason we have it is in the first place.

That is where those good ol wonderful trials come in.

After we get the Spirit, we immediately are put into the PROCESS.

God puts us through trials, to root out the hinderances(sins) that keep us from walking in the Spirit. AND THIS PROCESS OF GOD IS RELENTLESS.
The Spirit of God will leave no stone unturned in our lives to get us exactly where He wants us to be in Him.(only if we allow Him to)


BUT can you even imagine how GLORIOUS it would be to KNOW we are in perfect communion with The Lord. If we allow the Lord to COMPLETELY take over our lives as He desires...

We will personally know what JOY UNSPEAKABLE AND FULL OF GLORY is for ourselves. ALL THE TIME.

[shazeep]

...And you and I know what the end result of sin is.

I dont think the Holy Spirit within us just jumps out of us when we sin...hmm. but the argument that follows is compelling, in a way. maybe more like ones desire to reacquire the Holy Spirit--assuming that they possess this desire--leads them to rebound ("repent")...at least, i can say that i have been in that place, in sin, and not desirous of rebound at that moment, and you gotta believe that the Spirit cannot reside with any sin, period, i think. Isn't there even a verse for that? ya.

[Sean]

Well there is a fine line there. I dont think anyone knows when the Holy Ghost leaves somebody else. Only the individual in sin can know.

I do believe, just like the Holy Ghost is given to us to lead us into ALL truth, it is also given to us to help us overcome sin. It works on us every day in both categories relentlessly.

So to say, if someone is fallen into a gross sin the Spirit has left, i just dont know . I cannot say the Holy Ghost has left them, but I can say that all hell will break loose if the Holy Ghost has to start "spanking" them to get them back in the "Spirit".

In my 35 years of walking with God, I have experienced this first hand from time to time.



What has always amazed me is how fallen I realize I really am, but yet God , knowing my future failures still baptiized me with the Spirit......Now the is the definition of GRACE to me!

[houston]

ya, not buying it. the Spirit is received at salvation, lost in sinning, and reacquired by rebound, John 1:9. imo.

People lose the Spirit?

[Abiding Now]

Romans 1:11

For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;

[shazeep]

People lose the Spirit?Well, you'll have me searching now, but i always assumed at least that the Holy Spirit could not reside in a profaned 'temple?' Else why bother rebounding? 1 John 1:9, that is. But good Q!

[Dante]

The Holy Spirit is a spirit and is omnipresent. He is everywhere at all times. To say that the Holy Spirit can vacate a person is to undermine the power and grandeur of God.

[votivesoul]

The Holy Spirit is a spirit and is omnipresent. He is everywhere at all times. To say that the Holy Spirit can vacate a person is to undermine the power and grandeur of God.

Jesus Christ is in us, except/unless we've become reprobate. See 2 Corinthians 13:5.

The moment God gives someone over to the uncleaness of a reprobate mind (See Romans 1), the Spirit of Christ departs. When a person falls so far, and they've made the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ an unholy thing, even the blood that cleanses us from all unrighteousness, as a token of the covenant between God and the fallen is removed.

[Dante]

Jesus Christ is in us, except/unless we've become reprobate. See 2 Corinthians 13:5.

The moment God gives someone over to the uncleaness of a reprobate mind (See Romans 1), the Spirit of Christ departs. When a person falls so far, and they've made the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ an unholy thing, even the blood that cleanses us from all unrighteousness, as a token of the covenant between God and the fallen is removed.

The scripture you referenced says nothing about the Holy Spirit vacating a person. Is the Holy Spirit omnipresent, or not?

[votivesoul]

The scripture you referenced says nothing about the Holy Spirit vacating a person. Is the Holy Spirit omnipresent, or not?

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ. Jesus Christ is in a believer through the Spirit (and not through the flesh of the Son of Man) until or if such a person falls and is given over to a reprobate mind.

Omnipresence as you are describing would indicate that the Lord is present and within all people and things. Not so. All things are present and laid bare before the Lord is a better way of understanding omnipresence, else you have pantheism.

[mfblume]

The Holy Ghost cannot be imparted or transferred from one person to another. I do believe faith can and I do believe that certain gifts of the Spirit can be imparted from one person to another.

I also believe that there are certain character virtues and attitudes can be imparted, but perhaps not in the same way a spiritual gift could be directly imparted. For instance, many times a week I spend time in prayer with my pastor even though we are not "praying together". Because of this I have felt my own prayer life reach levels in the Spirit that I do not feel I ever could have reached on my own. Over a period of several years, spending hours upon hours in prayer in thee same room as my pastor I feel that there has been a depth of prayer that has been imparted/transmitted into my Spirit because of my association with him. I notice this with other men of God that I am exposed to. I have seen my prayer life and what "ministry" I have shaped because of my exposure to various men of God. What astounds me is that often times I don't even realize it's happening at the time. That is why wee should be cautious about the company we keep and those we allow to influence us. It has worked both ways in my Own life.

Healing can be imparted.

Act 3:6 KJV Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.

[mfblume]

The scripture you referenced says nothing about the Holy Spirit vacating a person. Is the Holy Spirit omnipresent, or not?

Vacating and being omnipresent can indeed occur. God is everywhere, BUT MANIFESTED in a burning bush to Moses and made that holy ground. If omnipresence of God meant there's no vacating, then the universe is holy ground. But it's His manifestation that makes the difference.

[Abiding Now]

Can someone give another person the Holy Spirit? Can a preacher impart "the anointing" in to another person? The Holy Spirit is given without measure, right? How can someone give another more of the Holy Spirit than what someone might already have?

Romans 1:11 For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;


Acts 8:18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,


1Timothy 4:14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.

[Abiding Now]

Romans 1:11 For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;


Acts 8:18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,


1Timothy 4:14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.


Looks like I killed this thread.:happydance

[shazeep]

:lol