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Dante
06-01-2014, 10:36 AM
What qualifies any of you to read and interpret the scriptures for yourselves and draw your own conclusions? Do you have an accredited theological degree from a college or university?
How much do you do you depend on the studies of other scholars to enlighten you to understanding of the scriptures compared to any dependency on the Holy Spirit to enlighten your understanding? Do you believe that your understanding is based on the spiritual enlightenment of others, or mostly your own experiences with the Holy Spirit?
If you're not a theologian, then what authority do you have to persuade others of an error that you perceive someone else having in their understanding?
Aquila
06-01-2014, 11:18 AM
Everyone is a theologian in a sense. Now their theology may not be sound, due to a lack of study and knowledge.
Michael The Disciple
06-01-2014, 11:18 AM
Anyone who studies "Theos" is a Theologian. It does not guarantee they will understand what they read or even that they are saved.
Anyone who studies "Theos" is a Theologian. It does not guarantee they will understand what they read or even that they are saved.
I can agree with this.
FlamingZword
06-01-2014, 12:06 PM
What qualifies any of you to read and interpret the scriptures for yourselves and draw your own conclusions? Do you have an accredited theological degree from a college or university?
How much do you do you depend on the studies of other scholars to enlighten you to understanding of the scriptures compared to any dependency on the Holy Spirit to enlighten your understanding? Do you believe that your understanding is based on the spiritual enlightenment of others, or mostly your own experiences with the Holy Spirit?
If you're not a theologian, then what authority do you have to persuade others of an error that you perceive someone else having in their understanding?
Jesus and the Apostles never went to a rabbinical school, yet they were theologians.
The only one of the Apostles who qualified as a Theologian was Paul, and he was sent to the Gentiles instead of the Jews. (which to our thinking sound backwards)
Because Paul was a bona fida Pharisee, the logical thing, would be to send him to preach to the Pharisees.
jfrog
06-01-2014, 12:17 PM
What qualifies any of you to read and interpret the scriptures for yourselves and draw your own conclusions? Do you have an accredited theological degree from a college or university?
How much do you do you depend on the studies of other scholars to enlighten you to understanding of the scriptures compared to any dependency on the Holy Spirit to enlighten your understanding? Do you believe that your understanding is based on the spiritual enlightenment of others, or mostly your own experiences with the Holy Spirit?
If you're not a theologian, then what authority do you have to persuade others of an error that you perceive someone else having in their understanding?
What authority did the apostles have to persuade others of their errors? And what authority did the followers of the apostles have to persuade others of their errors? And what of the followers of those followers and so on and so forth? Did any of them have degrees in theology?
FlamingZword
06-01-2014, 12:48 PM
I have been thinking about this theology thing, and I have begun to see it as a sort of Rubik's cube. There are a billion combinations to get the whole thing right.
Some people may get all the white side right but all the other sides wrong.
So they show you their white side and say "see how it all fits" but they are only showing you one side of the cube not the whole.
It is not just about getting some parts completely right but getting the whole cube right.
The false prophets keep on twisting and twisting the scriptures making a bigger mess of the whole cube.
navygoat1998
06-01-2014, 02:35 PM
What qualifies any of you to read and interpret the scriptures for yourselves and draw your own conclusions? Do you have an accredited theological degree from a college or university?
How much do you do you depend on the studies of other scholars to enlighten you to understanding of the scriptures compared to any dependency on the Holy Spirit to enlighten your understanding? Do you believe that your understanding is based on the spiritual enlightenment of others, or mostly your own experiences with the Holy Spirit?
If you're not a theologian, then what authority do you have to persuade others of an error that you perceive someone else having in their understanding?
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Disciple4life
06-01-2014, 02:45 PM
I think the whole thing of Degrees is silly. Ley me break it down for you.
(Theologian) You don't have a degree?
(Saint) No.
(Theologian) You are a stupid fool. Let me rule over you with my God given Superior intelligence.
Amen, in reality most theologians are not even born again.
shazeep
06-01-2014, 04:41 PM
Jesus and the Apostles never went to a rabbinical school, yet they were theologians.
The only one of the Apostles who qualified as a Theologian was Paul, and he was sent to the Gentiles instead of the Jews. (which to our thinking sound backwards)
Because Paul was a bona fida Pharisee, the logical thing, would be to send him to preach to the Pharisees.hmm, seems like i remember him even saying, "first, to the jews," tho that got over quickly...
shazeep
06-01-2014, 04:44 PM
What qualifies any of you to read and interpret the scriptures for yourselves and draw your own conclusions? Do you have an accredited theological degree from a college or university?
How much do you do you depend on the studies of other scholars to enlighten you to understanding of the scriptures compared to any dependency on the Holy Spirit to enlighten your understanding? Do you believe that your understanding is based on the spiritual enlightenment of others, or mostly your own experiences with the Holy Spirit?
If you're not a theologian, then what authority do you have to persuade others of an error that you perceive someone else having in their understanding?but i have had many of my 'errors' elucidated in just this way; tho not necessarily by theologians--more fun to disagree with them on principle! :lol
Michael The Disciple
06-01-2014, 05:32 PM
Amen, in reality most theologians are not even born again.
For sure.:highfive
shazeep
06-01-2014, 07:32 PM
hmm...in reality, how many Christians have truly 'changed their minds?'
votivesoul
06-02-2014, 09:02 PM
Here is the first qualification for a Biblical theologian:
Psalm 119:97-100,
97 O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.
98 Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me.
99 I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation.
100 I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts.
Here is the second:
Psalm 25:12-14,
12 What man is he that feareth the Lord? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.
13 His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.
14 The secret of the Lord is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.
There are many, many men of God who probably have at least a Master's degree in exegetical theology worth of Bible knowledge and teaching skills without the ability to actually go to seminary and get the paper to validate the claim.
shazeep
06-03-2014, 06:07 AM
ya, and Scripture tells me that the reverse is true also, at least where the Spirit is concerned.
FlamingZword
06-03-2014, 07:20 PM
hmm...in reality, how many Christians have truly 'changed their minds?'
I have been thinking about this and you are half correct,
Most Christians will not change their beliefs even when confronted with a mountain of evidence that their beliefs are incorrect.
Very few Christians have the ability to accept that their "True doctrine" is incorrect, it takes lots of humility and honesty to accept that one has beleived a wrong concept for years.
It happened to me when I switched from X doctrine to Y Doctrine.
I resisted Y doctrine with all kinds of twisting of the word of God, I thought I was being honest, but no I wasn't, I was just desperate to save a doctrine that was wrong, finally I had to conceed defeat and I switched, it was not a pretty sight, seeing me eating crow and accepting that I had been wrong for all those years.
navygoat1998
06-03-2014, 07:33 PM
Very few Christians have the ability to accept that their "True doctrine" is incorrect, it takes lots of humility and honesty to accept that one has beleived a wrong concept for years.
It happened to me when I switched from X doctrine to Y Doctrine.
I resisted Y doctrine with all kinds of twisting of the word of God, I thought I was being honest, but no I wasn't, I was just desperate to save a doctrine that was wrong, finally I had to conceed defeat and I switched, it was not a pretty sight, seeing me eating crow and accepting that I had been wrong for all those years.
Good stuff! I can totally relate. :thumbsup
FlamingZword
06-03-2014, 07:50 PM
Good stuff! I can totally relate. :thumbsup
Dear brother
thank you for relating, now it is time to pack up and come back to the Oneness fold, you had too long of a vacation.
Michael The Disciple
06-04-2014, 03:31 PM
My changes.
__________________________________
Pre trib to post.
Matt 28 baptism to Acts 2:38 baptism.
1 step to 3
Trinity to Oneness.
Instant Heaven to soul sleep.
Eternal torment to annihilation of the wicked.
______________________________________________
People can change. Not many do.
shazeep
06-04-2014, 07:19 PM
I have been thinking about this and you are half correct,
Most Christians will not change their beliefs even when confronted with a mountain of evidence that their beliefs are incorrect.
Very few Christians have the ability to accept that their "True doctrine" is incorrect, it takes lots of humility and honesty to accept that one has beleived a wrong concept for years.
It happened to me when I switched from X doctrine to Y Doctrine.
I resisted Y doctrine with all kinds of twisting of the word of God, I thought I was being honest, but no I wasn't, I was just desperate to save a doctrine that was wrong, finally I had to conceed defeat and I switched, it was not a pretty sight, seeing me eating crow and accepting that I had been wrong for all those years.i don't think it's that a new convert is not willing, but the preconceptions that they bring with them, reinforced by the 'church' atmosphere where they first believe, may combine to obscure the true message of 'count the cost,' and 'pick up your cross...' these are not assimilated, and prolly cannot really be, until later; given the current approach.
navygoat1998
06-07-2014, 12:22 PM
Dear brother
thank you for relating, now it is time to pack up and come back to the Oneness fold, you had too long of a vacation.
Honestly my brother, today it would take an audible voice from the Lord telling me to go back before I would even think about going back. :heeheehee
shazeep
06-07-2014, 04:04 PM
:lol
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