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n david
06-13-2014, 08:25 PM
A former Muslim who converted to Christianity has filed a civil lawsuit against a Tulsa church, arguing that leaders endangered his life by publishing his baptism announcement.

According to the lawsuit, the man is a native of Syria who lives in Oklahoma. The lawsuit says the man was attacked on a trip to Syria after the church published a notice of his baptism online. The suit says the man was beaten and tortured for days before he escaped.

Source Link (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/13/muslim-who-converted-to-christianity-sues-church-for-publishing-baptism-news/?intcmp=latestnews)

Wow. What a horrible thing to happen...though I don't know how any Judge or court could rule against the church. This article doesn't say, but I wonder how this church publicized the baptism. Obviously Google bots picked up his name and the thugs in Syria were able to find it online.

A few months ago, we had a church board meeting and our Pastor mentioned attending a church conference and sitting in a class on legal issues facing churches today. One example which was given was a man came to the front for prayer, fell out in the spirit and landed hard. This man ended up with some back injury which required chiropractic therapy. He successfully sued the church for his injuries.

jfrog
06-13-2014, 11:26 PM
Source Link (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/13/muslim-who-converted-to-christianity-sues-church-for-publishing-baptism-news/?intcmp=latestnews)

Wow. What a horrible thing to happen...though I don't know how any Judge or court could rule against the church. This article doesn't say, but I wonder how this church publicized the baptism. Obviously Google bots picked up his name and the thugs in Syria were able to find it online.

A few months ago, we had a church board meeting and our Pastor mentioned attending a church conference and sitting in a class on legal issues facing churches today. One example which was given was a man came to the front for prayer, fell out in the spirit and landed hard. This man ended up with some back injury which required chiropractic therapy. He successfully sued the church for his injuries.

Interesting. I feel somewhere down the line some of the important facts got left out of that story.

n david
06-14-2014, 12:02 AM
Interesting. I feel somewhere down the line some of the important facts got left out of that story.
That could be. Like the story of the person who was burned from coffee at McDonald's.

jfrog
06-14-2014, 12:08 AM
That could be. Like the story of the person who was burned from coffee at McDonald's.

Yep, A 20 degree higher coffee temperature than even what Mcdonalds corporate recommended was the important detail left out there. It would have caused far less burns with 20 degrees cooler coffee and I'm sure that if the coffee had been the normal recommended temperature she wouldn't have won the case no matter how badly she burned. Of course she also would have been burnt alot less badly with the cooler coffee.

n david
06-14-2014, 12:14 AM
Yep, A 20 degree higher coffee temperature than even what Mcdonalds corporate recommended was the important detail left out there. It would have caused far less burns with 20 degrees cooler coffee and I'm sure that if the coffee had been the normal recommended temperature she wouldn't have won the case no matter how badly she burned. Of course she also would have been burnt alot less badly with the cooler coffee.
Perhaps the man wasn't slain in the spirit...maybe he was slapped in the head and KO'd. :lol I had an Evangelist slap my head so hard it hurt! I think he was trying to make me "fall out." I wobbled a bit, but I didn't fall down.

jfrog
06-14-2014, 12:30 AM
Perhaps the man wasn't slain in the spirit...maybe he was slapped in the head and KO'd. :lol I had an Evangelist slap my head so hard it hurt! I think he was trying to make me "fall out." I wobbled a bit, but I didn't fall down.

HAHA, or maybe he was pushed on from every direction... that happens alot too.

Once in my old church there was a woman who put her knee through the drywall. I don't remember what became of that incident.

n david
06-14-2014, 12:43 AM
HAHA, or maybe he was pushed on from every direction... that happens alot too.

Once in my old church there was a woman who put her knee through the drywall. I don't remember what became of that incident.
Wow! How did that happen?

My brother used to roll on the floor. Once he was rolling across the front and some man who was a little mentally handicapped was running laps around the outside pews. Unfortunately he either didn't see my brother rolling towards him, or his reflexes just weren't nearly fast enough. Whichever it was, my brother rolled right into him and this guy went down hard! And my brother didn't even stop! The poor guy had to be helped up and walked to his pew limping.

I know I shouldn't have laughed, but that was the funniest thing I saw in church. :lol

jfrog
06-14-2014, 12:50 AM
Wow! How did that happen?

My brother used to roll on the floor. Once he was rolling across the front and some man who was a little mentally handicapped was running laps around the outside pews. Unfortunately he either didn't see my brother rolling towards him, or his reflexes just weren't nearly fast enough. Whichever it was, my brother rolled right into him and this guy went down hard! And my brother didn't even stop! The poor guy had to be helped up and walked to his pew limping.

I know I shouldn't have laughed, but that was the funniest thing I saw in church. :lol

LOL! I wish I could have seen that one.

jfrog
06-14-2014, 12:51 AM
Wow! How did that happen?

My brother used to roll on the floor. Once he was rolling across the front and some man who was a little mentally handicapped was running laps around the outside pews. Unfortunately he either didn't see my brother rolling towards him, or his reflexes just weren't nearly fast enough. Whichever it was, my brother rolled right into him and this guy went down hard! And my brother didn't even stop! The poor guy had to be helped up and walked to his pew limping.

I know I shouldn't have laughed, but that was the funniest thing I saw in church. :lol

Our woman was doing her let little praise thing facing the wall and kinda walking back and forth a little and then bam... she marched one step to far and into the wall

jfrog
06-14-2014, 12:54 AM
Oh and who can forget the random upskirt looks the young men got of the women that got into it a little too much and ended up with their skirt pulled a bit toooo far up... And then the mad dash to get a jacket to cover her.

Praxeas
06-14-2014, 01:17 AM
Source Link (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/13/muslim-who-converted-to-christianity-sues-church-for-publishing-baptism-news/?intcmp=latestnews)

Wow. What a horrible thing to happen...though I don't know how any Judge or court could rule against the church. This article doesn't say, but I wonder how this church publicized the baptism. Obviously Google bots picked up his name and the thugs in Syria were able to find it online.

A few months ago, we had a church board meeting and our Pastor mentioned attending a church conference and sitting in a class on legal issues facing churches today. One example which was given was a man came to the front for prayer, fell out in the spirit and landed hard. This man ended up with some back injury which required chiropractic therapy. He successfully sued the church for his injuries.
Yeah kinda odd...how are we supposed to have proof he was attacked in Syria? And for converting to christianity?

Why would any thug to "Hey, there's Akmad. Let's google his name and see if he became a Christian"?

Praxeas
06-14-2014, 01:18 AM
Yep, A 20 degree higher coffee temperature than even what Mcdonalds corporate recommended was the important detail left out there. It would have caused far less burns with 20 degrees cooler coffee and I'm sure that if the coffee had been the normal recommended temperature she wouldn't have won the case no matter how badly she burned. Of course she also would have been burnt alot less badly with the cooler coffee.
She wouldn't have been burned at all if she would have used an artificial cup holder instead of her natural one

n david
06-14-2014, 01:29 AM
Yeah kinda odd...how are we supposed to have proof he was attacked in Syria? And for converting to christianity?

Why would any thug to "Hey, there's Akmad. Let's google his name and see if he became a Christian"?
According to the article, his injuries were well documented. I agree, how do we know it's related to his conversion. Also good point about how they would think to Google his name and find out.

n david
06-14-2014, 01:30 AM
Oh and who can forget the random upskirt looks the young men got of the women that got into it a little too much and ended up with their skirt pulled a bit toooo far up... And then the mad dash to get a jacket to cover her.
Yes! :lol No wonder all the guys sat in the front row!

shazeep
06-14-2014, 06:06 AM
According to the article, his injuries were well documented. I agree, how do we know it's related to his conversion. Also good point about how they would think to Google his name and find out.yup...also, "let's get saved and go to Syria, where Christianity is not tolerated?" please--your life, in your hands, imo.

KeptByTheWord
06-14-2014, 09:15 AM
I guess this poor guy hasn't had a chance to read the whole Bible yet, like the part where Paul says to not take your brother to court, and also where it says to rejoice when you are persecuted for my name's sake.... lol....

jfrog
06-14-2014, 09:49 AM
She wouldn't have been burned at all if she would have used an artificial cup holder instead of her natural one

Do you always blame the victim. "She wouldn't have 2 black eyes and a broke nose if she just fixed my sandwich"

jfrog
06-14-2014, 10:02 AM
According to the article, his injuries were well documented. I agree, how do we know it's related to his conversion. Also good point about how they would think to Google his name and find out.

But how do we know it wasnt related? I don't have a problem believing that happened. I also don't think the church did any wrong unless he requested his name not be posted online.

Pressing-On
06-14-2014, 10:27 AM
According to the article, his injuries were well documented. I agree, how do we know it's related to his conversion. Also good point about how they would think to Google his name and find out.
I had a dream a few years ago that Muslims would use Facebook to track down Christians. I knew God was warning me about what I posted there (how I worded my posts) in our political debates.

I can prove that is happening and will use Victoria Jackson as one example. She Tweeted, a few months ago, about a Muslim group that found her information on Facebook and posted her home addresse, putting her life in danger. Even though her comments were distorted, her address was posted.

So, yes, they do think to Google whoever they are looking for. You can Google a name and put Facebook after that name and find the person you are looking for. I was doing that today trying to verify a comment by Marcus Luttrell. He has an open page, so you don't have to have an account to read his posts.

Reader
06-14-2014, 10:45 AM
The McDonalds case was much different than I had thought from the news reports. The woman was NOT driving. The coffee was much hotter than other places were serving AND a number of other people had been burned before her. She initially only requested that McDonalds reimburse for her medical expense. They offered something like $800, which did not cover it. The woman was badly burned. They finally lowered the temperature on the coffee sometime later.

When they refused to pay her medical expenses, she filed suit. She never received all she was awarded by the jury as the judge ruled on a lower amount. She was vilified until the day she died by people who did not know all that transpired.

http://www.upworthy.com/ever-hear-about-the-lady-that-spilled-coffee-on-herself-at-mcdonalds-then-sued-for-millions This has a video that shows the extent of her injuries and what really happened.

jfrog
06-14-2014, 12:10 PM
The McDonalds case was much different than I had thought from the news reports. The woman was NOT driving. The coffee was much hotter than other places were serving AND a number of other people had been burned before her. She initially only requested that McDonalds reimburse for her medical expense. They offered something like $800, which did not cover it. The woman was badly burned. They finally lowered the temperature on the coffee sometime later.

When they refused to pay her medical expenses, she filed suit. She never received all she was awarded by the jury as the judge ruled on a lower amount. She was vilified until the day she died by people who did not know all that transpired.

http://www.upworthy.com/ever-hear-about-the-lady-that-spilled-coffee-on-herself-at-mcdonalds-then-sued-for-millions This has a video that shows the extent of her injuries and what really happened.

Yep. Just another example of the liberal media demonizing anything that comes against big business like McDonald's...

anon5
06-14-2014, 01:24 PM
The church I attended years ago had one girl get head butted by the boy she just dumped after he was moved by the spirit. He just hopped from one end of the church to the other, bobbing his head and went straight to her. Eyes shut and everything.

Praxeas
06-14-2014, 03:22 PM
According to the article, his injuries were well documented. I agree, how do we know it's related to his conversion. Also good point about how they would think to Google his name and find out.
Well documented in a war zone? There is something fishy about this story.

Praxeas
06-14-2014, 03:24 PM
yup...also, "let's get saved and go to Syria, where Christianity is not tolerated?" please--your life, in your hands, imo.
Christians right now are persecuted in Syria because they would not side with the rebels.

Christians are in a bad spot in these areas. They side with one side then the other side murders them. They side with nobody and both sides murder them

Praxeas
06-14-2014, 03:25 PM
Do you always blame the victim. "She wouldn't have 2 black eyes and a broke nose if she just fixed my sandwich"
Frog. I question if she was a victim of the big bad McDonalds at all!

She put the steaming hot coffee in her lap. Do you do that?

Praxeas
06-14-2014, 03:26 PM
But how do we know it wasnt related? I don't have a problem believing that happened. I also don't think the church did any wrong unless he requested his name not be posted online.
That's the problem. How can we know? Syria is a war zone and Christians there are a target by the Rebels.

Praxeas
06-14-2014, 03:28 PM
The McDonalds case was much different than I had thought from the news reports. The woman was NOT driving. The coffee was much hotter than other places were serving AND a number of other people had been burned before her. She initially only requested that McDonalds reimburse for her medical expense. They offered something like $800, which did not cover it. The woman was badly burned. They finally lowered the temperature on the coffee sometime later.

When they refused to pay her medical expenses, she filed suit. She never received all she was awarded by the jury as the judge ruled on a lower amount. She was vilified until the day she died by people who did not know all that transpired.

http://www.upworthy.com/ever-hear-about-the-lady-that-spilled-coffee-on-herself-at-mcdonalds-then-sued-for-millions This has a video that shows the extent of her injuries and what really happened.

What I remember is that McDonalds actually serves their coffee very hot compared to others.

If someone went to a McDonalds and was handed a coffee where the lid was not on properly and spilled on the person and burned them, I'd be on board.

But this person wedged it in between their legs. It does not take much of a squeeze to pop that lid off and spill the coffee

Disciple4life
06-14-2014, 04:00 PM
1. Muslims in other countries do Google peoples names. (They actively look, but if one person finds out about it they spread the message far and wide, in a couple of hours everybody knows )

2. If Muslims find out that someone they know became a Christian or worked for or with the US govt they are likely to be persecuted by physical violence. (How would I know? Interpreters that I worked with told me, they were very cautious)

3. If this new convert was so worried about physical violence, why didn't he ask the pastor not to make his baptism public? "ESPECIALY ONLINE"

Praxeas
06-14-2014, 04:06 PM
1. Muslims in other countries do Google peoples names. (They actively look, but if one person finds out about it they spread the message far and wide, in a couple of hours everybody knows )

Um...how do you know that? Is there a special group that walks around taking names on the street and googling then on the spot?

2. If Muslims find out that someone they know became a Christian or worked for or with the US govt they are likely to be persecuted by physical violence. (How would I know? Interpreters that I worked with told me, they were very cautious)
I believe this

3. If this new convert was so worried about physical violence, why didn't he ask the pastor not to make his baptism public? "ESPECIALY ONLINE"

Especially if he ever planned to go to Syria

Disciple4life
06-14-2014, 04:19 PM
I didn't mean complete strangers. If family, friends, neighbors and towns people look you up they will email your info to EVERYBODY! (Yeah family and friends will turn on you in a heartbeat!) Everybody involves Al-Qaida and the Taliban. (I don't know about everywhere but in Afghanistan these groups go from town to town and harass people for names and info) Now your name is on a list. Is one person being actively sought out with all recourses of the Muslim world? No, but if they run across you then it's not going to be pretty.

Praxeas
06-14-2014, 05:21 PM
I didn't mean complete strangers. If family, friends, neighbors and towns people look you up they will email your info to EVERYBODY! (Yeah family and friends will turn on you in a heartbeat!) Everybody involves Al-Qaida and the Taliban. (I don't know about everywhere but in Afghanistan these groups go from town to town and harass people for names and info) Now your name is on a list. Is one person being actively sought out with all recourses of the Muslim world? No, but if they run across you then it's not going to be pretty.
It would probably be obvious though anyways when he gets over there and hangs out with the family

Abiding Now
06-14-2014, 07:45 PM
Moral of this story: Don't trust Syrian converts that hold hot coffee containers with their legs. They will sue you, Holy Ghost or not.