Marry Gays Or Go To Jail

[Michael The Disciple]

Yes its here in America.


http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/oct/17/hitching-post-sues-coeur-dalene-after-declining-ma/

[Michael The Disciple]

These kinds of laws are in effect already in 7 Kentucky cities. No doubt they present themselves as merely keeping "gays" from being discriminated against in things such as work situations.

But we will see. When Ministers refuse to marry gays they WILL be punished in their various cities. And since the courts have struck down our traditional marriage law it will soon be statewide.

[Originalist]

These kinds of laws are in effect already in 7 Kentucky cities. No doubt they present themselves as merely keeping "gays" from being discriminated against in things such as work situations.

But we will see. When Ministers refuse to marry gays they WILL be punished in their various cities. And since the courts have struck down our traditional marriage law it will soon be statewide.

Even in conservative states like Kentucky, the liberals always end up controlling the cities. This is where the State governments must step in and defend their citizens , from both Federal tyranny and enemies within their borders. If we do not have a States rights revolution soon we will fall. The problem is too many people believe that we are "one nation under God". We are not. We are 50 nations in a confederation. At the Constitutional convention the Framers banned the word "national" and "nation" from being used in any of the documents. They were creating a republic, not a consolidated nation. You are a citizen of your State FIRST.

[houston]

Did you read the article? They're operating as a for profit business, not as a church.

[KeptByTheWord]

Did you read the article? They're operating as a for profit business, not as a church.

You're right. But... ministers will be next.

[FlamingZword]

The early Christians were quite willing to go into prison and even unto death, but would not recognize Caesar as a God, which was the law of the empire.

all a Christian had to do, was to put a little pinch of incense in the altar, and they were free. (come on Christians just a little pinch) But they refused no way they were going to give in not even a little pinch, not even under threats of death.

[shazeep]

Hmm. I doubt it, KBTW, if only because most 'ministers' of God are not ordained by men...but Hou illuminates a similar point, that being that real marriage occurs outside of human law. We are talking about 'legal' marriages here. That pastors or other elected officials conduct marriages is strictly human custom.

So, while I agree with FZ, and would not want to conduct a homosexual marriage, we are after all discussing a legal artifice, and not the real thing.

[FlamingZword]

So, while I agree with FZ, and would not want to conduct a homosexual marriage, we are after all discussing a legal artifice, and not the real thing.

The real question is not what we would not want to conduct, but what we will definitely not ever do, not even under threats of death.

I myself would not want to eat spinach, yet when threaten by my wife, I sheepishly caved in and ate my spinach.

We must let Caesar know in no uncertain terms, that it is not that we would not want to conduct homosexual marriage, but that we will not conduct homosexual marriages, not even under threats of death.

[shazeep]

Hmm, tempting...and I empathize with your point. However, I would surely be drawn into resisting Caesar in that scenario, rather than superseding him. And, aren't we to render unto C that which is C's, if we're talking legal Union and not actual marriage?

[Rudy]

Do Christians need to get permission from Caesar to marry?

[shazeep]

Exactly. And yet they do, every day. I'm one of thoe weirdos who believe that marriages occur in consummation, and are solely attended by man, woman, and God.

[Abiding Now]

I can guarantee, that IF you perform the ceremony with a bit of humor the next couple will WANT someone/anyone else to do the ceremony. :D

[FlamingZword]

Because Caesar has rejected God's definition of Marriage, then it is time for the church to reject marriage by Caesar.

It is time to disavow marriage by the state.

If the church simply rejects to marry by the state and issue its own certificates of marrying, it would put Caesar out of the business of marriage.

[Abiding Now]

I just think it would be funny for the preacher to show up at the "wedding" after changing the oil in his car wearing his overalls, work shirt and run over work boots. Plus a really baaaad organ player that only know one song, "Farther Alone", then add about 25 or 30 lively saints that whoop and holler while the preacher delivers his "wedding message" that goes on and on and on and on. You want a church wedding? Well here it is. :happydance

[FlamingZword]

I just think it would be funny for the preacher to show up at the "wedding" after changing the oil in his car wearing his overalls, work shirt and run over work boots. Plus a really baaaad organ player that only know one song, "Farther Alone", then add about 25 or 30 lively saints that whoop and holler while the preacher delivers his "wedding message" that goes on and on and on and on. You want a church wedding? Well here it is. :happydance

come on I was in a wedding where the sermon was short and to the point.
The minister gave about a 15 minutes or less sermon on having Jesus aboard the boat.
that no matter what storms the marriage goes thru if Jesus is on board there will be peace and safety in the marriage.

The wedding was held on a separate day than the regular church day.

[Aquila]

Do Christians need to get permission from Caesar to marry?

Nope.

[Aquila]

Because Caesar has rejected God's definition of Marriage, then it is time for the church to reject marriage by Caesar.

It is time to disavow marriage by the state.

If the church simply rejects to marry by the state and issue its own certificates of marrying, it would put Caesar out of the business of marriage.

Many Christians have already done so. Besides, "civil marriage" has become a shame. A high stakes gamble that even non-Christian couples are hesitant to take.

[Originalist]

Because Caesar has rejected God's definition of Marriage, then it is time for the church to reject marriage by Caesar.

It is time to disavow marriage by the state.

If the church simply rejects to marry by the state and issue its own certificates of marrying, it would put Caesar out of the business of marriage.

While you and I might disagree on the tithing issue, please let me say that I concur wholeheartedly with your comments here. Well said.

[Aquila]

Interesting links:

http://www.heavenministries.com/Holy%20Matrimony%20vs.%20Marriage.htm

http://www.mercyseat.net/marriagelicense.html

[DaveC519]

Because Caesar has rejected God's definition of Marriage, then it is time for the church to reject marriage by Caesar.

It is time to disavow marriage by the state.

If the church simply rejects to marry by the state and issue its own certificates of marrying, it would put Caesar out of the business of marriage.
So, apparently here in Colorado, common-law marriage is just as legally valid as "legal" marriage, and couples can even solemnize their own ceremony. There's even a sample affidavit that couples can fill out which serves as a marriage certificate of sorts:

STATE OF COLORADO
AFFIDAVIT OF COMMON LAW MARRIAGE


We, the undersigned, attest to the following facts:

1. We are at least 18 year of age. If between the ages of 16 and 18, we have obtained proper parental or guardian consent.

2. There is no legal impediment to our marriage, including, but not limited to, a prior marriage of either party that has not been legally terminated by death or divorce.

3. We are married to each other and understand that a common law marriage holds all the rights, privileges and responsibilities of a lawful marriage. We understand that only death or divorce may terminate this marriage.

Both parties sign and have it notarized and it's considered valid just the same as a marriage certificate, only the State is not a legal party to the union.

[DaveC519]

BTW, for those in CO, the above sample affidavit was taken directly from the State Attorney General's website here:

http://www.coloradoattorneygeneral.gov/initiatives/consumer_resource_guide/common_legal_questions#common_law

[FlamingZword]

So, apparently here in Colorado, common-law marriage is just as legally valid as "legal" marriage, and couples can even solemnize their own ceremony. There's even a sample affidavit that couples can fill out which serves as a marriage certificate of sorts:

STATE OF COLORADO
AFFIDAVIT OF COMMON LAW MARRIAGE


We, the undersigned, attest to the following facts:

1. We are at least 18 year of age. If between the ages of 16 and 18, we have obtained proper parental or guardian consent.

2. There is no legal impediment to our marriage, including, but not limited to, a prior marriage of either party that has not been legally terminated by death or divorce.

3. We are married to each other and understand that a common law marriage holds all the rights, privileges and responsibilities of a lawful marriage. We understand that only death or divorce may terminate this marriage.

Both parties sign and have it notarized and it's considered valid just the same as a marriage certificate, only the State is not a legal party to the union.

this is good.

Jesus said "what God has joined, let no man put aside"
marriage is something that God has joined, not Caesar.
This statement by Jesus makes marriage a prerogative of the church not of the state.

Caesar has no power to join anything, it can only recognize such union.

[Aquila]

Very little about civil marriage, as it exists today, is biblical.

[KeptByTheWord]

http://www.kxly.com/news/north-idaho-news/hitching-post-switching-to-religious-corporation-to-avoid-samesex-marriages/29267160

The Hitching Post has decided to switch to a "religious corporation" to avoid same-sex marriages.

The Coeur d'Alene city attorney confirmed in a letter Monday that ordained ministers operating a for-profit wedding chapel are in violation of a city ordinance for declining to marry same-sex couples.

The letter states that "if they are providing services primarily or substantially for profit and they discriminate in providing those services based on sexual orientation then they would likely be in violation of the ordinance."

ADF attorneys representing Donald and Evelyn Knapp explain that the letter's contention that the Hitching Post Wedding Chapel is a non-profit entity that would be exempt from the ordinance is false.