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Praxeas
11-06-2014, 03:44 PM
The myth is that the plane that hit the tower could not have caused it to collapse.

Conspiracy folks argue the metal in the tower could not have melted enough to lose integrity.

I personally remember this being on the news. A tanker truck carrying fuel over turned and caught on fire. The fire burned hot long enough that the over pass collapsed

Here are several videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXb5M8qKrjw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tjs5ILNkJc

You can go to youtube and find other videos

Then some guys tested an i beam with fuel to see if it would lose integrity

This next video, at the 20 min mark gives the experiment with the I beam

Pliny
11-06-2014, 06:56 PM
I also know that when someone wants to demolish a skyscraper they bring in experts that study and examine the building beforehand. The reason is they want it to collapse on itself. If not the building would tilt and spread wreckage everywhere and damage other buildings. The experts are very specific about where they place explosives, what type of explosive and how the explosion is aimed. Then they are very specific about the timing of the explosions. Everything must be perfect or the building will not collapse on itself.
The twin towers did indeed collapse on itself, miraculously. This reason alone makes me believe the government is hiding something.

Anyone remember the TWA flight that was shot down on take off? Ooopppsss I mean exploded in mid air from a lightning strike or some other event but not from a missile. Even though eye witness testimony said there were vapor trails leading up to the plane. Yeah, I think the government is hiding the truth there as well.

Lets not forget the Lusitania. The US government was shipping supplies to Europe using human shields. Germany told this country they would sink the ship because it was carrying military equipment. The US government didn't care. The was a civilian liner that was being used for military purposes. When it was sunk the US forgot to tell the nation that it was sunk because of the military hardware they placed on it. Instead they told the world the evil Germans sunk a civilian ship. This was the impetus for the US to join Europe in WWI.

Let's not forget the placebo's that were given black men so they could chart the effects of syphilis.

Back to the present, why is it we don't hear about the NSA anymore?
What about the reporter that was investigating Bengahzi that was hacked by the government?
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sharyl-attkisson-video-hacking

Should we talk about Fast and Furious? Where it appears Democrats wanted criminals to get guns and perpetrate crime so they could then whine about gun violence.


I don't trust the government and believe they are hiding the truth.

Abiding Now
11-06-2014, 08:18 PM
I do not believe my government would lie to me.

Michael The Disciple
11-06-2014, 10:56 PM
I do not believe my government would lie to me.

:heeheehee

Esaias
11-07-2014, 12:17 AM
Anyone who believes the Official Conspiracy Theory put out by the goobermint and the medianites is not really capable of rationality, imo.

Praxeas
11-07-2014, 12:32 AM
The evidence shows that the "conspiracy" idea that a building could not collapse from burning fuel is false.

BrotherEastman
11-07-2014, 08:30 AM
I do not believe my government would lie to me.

LOL Abiding, are you serious????? I hope you were joking. Politicians lie all the time.

n david
11-07-2014, 08:33 AM
I do not believe my government would lie to me.
:toofunny

shazeep
11-07-2014, 08:54 AM
The evidence shows that the "conspiracy" idea that a building could not collapse from burning fuel is false.
I don't know...airplanes had crashed into skyscrapers before, without those results. One might even expect some local damage-a partial collapse-but to believe that the whole tower could be brought down?

Praxeas
11-07-2014, 12:49 PM
I don't know...airplanes had crashed into skyscrapers before, without those results. One might even expect some local damage-a partial collapse-but to believe that the whole tower could be brought down?
A Commerical Jet is not an air plane. We aren't talking about a prop driven commuter plane.

Tell me when and where any other time a commercial jet slammed into a tower?

As for the whole tower. It's a matter of mechanics...physics. The plane hit 3/4s of the way up. So 1/4 of the entire building was sitting on top of the impact area.

Those I beams begin to buckle from the heat and the weight and ALL that load above the impact site comes down onto the next level..nothing can hold that much of a load and gravity.

I don't see how that can be a mystery to anyone.

acjcpastor
11-07-2014, 01:22 PM
It’s always entertaining to ponder these conspiracy theories, but in the case of TWA 800, I have to go with the facts of the investigation. You see, I’m a trained aircraft accident investigator and I’ve seen more crumpled aluminum and splattered blood than I want to remember. The NTSB tells us that frayed wires in the center fuel tank coupled with hot vaporized jet fuel caused the in-flight explosion of that Boeing 747. Sure, it would make for a more tantalizing story to claim Navy Seals used shoulder launched missiles to bring down that plane just to keep some high level dignitary or spy from reaching Paris, but this isn’t a movie plot. This is real life! Even though fuel tank explosions are uncommon and not something you should worry about on your next airline flight to Disney World, this was not the only aircraft to ever have this problem. As a matter of fact, there have been at least 26 fuel tank explosions on both civilian and military aircraft. For example, a fuel tank explosion once destroyed a Thai Airways 737. Luckily that aircraft was still parked at the gate in Bangkok and not in the air or more than one flight attendant would have lost their life. If you read the full NTSB report on TWA 800 and weigh both sides, I think you’ll agree with me, this wasn’t some government cover up and frankly, to say otherwise is a little insulting to the many NTSB, FAA, and TWA employees who devoted so much time and effort to solving the TWA 800 mystery. Did you happen to know that there had been intermittent problems affecting the plane’s cockpit voice recorder and number four engine fuel-flow indicators just minutes before the explosion? These anomalies might seem unrelated, but it just so happens that the wire bundle to both of these components passes just above the center fuel tank. Did you also know that investigators found the wires crimped and cracked, and suspect they’d been damaged during repairs that had taken place in this area just two weeks prior? Now for all you government conspiracy types let me ask you, have you ever been inside or even looked inside an aircraft fuel tank? Do you know the flash point of Jet-A? Do you also know how unreliable an eye witness’s testimony can be after the fact of an accident? The human mind tends to remember more of what you thought you saw and heard than what you actually saw or heard. Believe me; I've heard some pretty impossible testimony. How can an unpowered glider make “a load roar like he was trying to take off again just before it hit the ground." It's pretty easy for people to say the government lied to us, but scientific evidence and facts don’t lie. As we say in this business, “we’re not here to speculate, we’re here to investigate.” It’s the speculators who can’t come up with anything better than a silly conspiracy.

Abiding Now
11-07-2014, 03:38 PM
I do not believe my government would lie to me.

:heeheehee

LOL Abiding, are you serious????? I hope you were joking. Politicians lie all the time.

:toofunny

:couch

:heeheehee

Disciple4life
11-07-2014, 05:43 PM
It’s always entertaining to ponder these conspiracy theories, but in the case of TWA 800, I have to go with the facts of the investigation. You see, I’m a trained aircraft accident investigator and I’ve seen more crumpled aluminum and splattered blood than I want to remember. The NTSB tells us that frayed wires in the center fuel tank coupled with hot vaporized jet fuel caused the in-flight explosion of that Boeing 747. Sure, it would make for a more tantalizing story to claim Navy Seals used shoulder launched missiles to bring down that plane just to keep some high level dignitary or spy from reaching Paris, but this isn’t a movie plot. This is real life! Even though fuel tank explosions are uncommon and not something you should worry about on your next airline flight to Disney World, this was not the only aircraft to ever have this problem. As a matter of fact, there have been at least 26 fuel tank explosions on both civilian and military aircraft. For example, a fuel tank explosion once destroyed a Thai Airways 737. Luckily that aircraft was still parked at the gate in Bangkok and not in the air or more than one flight attendant would have lost their life. If you read the full NTSB report on TWA 800 and weigh both sides, I think you’ll agree with me, this wasn’t some government cover up and frankly, to say otherwise is a little insulting to the many NTSB, FAA, and TWA employees who devoted so much time and effort to solving the TWA 800 mystery. Did you happen to know that there had been intermittent problems affecting the plane’s cockpit voice recorder and number four engine fuel-flow indicators just minutes before the explosion? These anomalies might seem unrelated, but it just so happens that the wire bundle to both of these components passes just above the center fuel tank. Did you also know that investigators found the wires crimped and cracked, and suspect they’d been damaged during repairs that had taken place in this area just two weeks prior? Now for all you government conspiracy types let me ask you, have you ever been inside or even looked inside an aircraft fuel tank? Do you know the flash point of Jet-A? Do you also know how unreliable an eye witness’s testimony can be after the fact of an accident? The human mind tends to remember more of what you thought you saw and heard than what you actually saw or heard. Believe me; I've heard some pretty impossible testimony. How can an unpowered glider make “a load roar like he was trying to take off again just before it hit the ground." It's pretty easy for people to say the government lied to us, but scientific evidence and facts don’t lie. As we say in this business, “we’re not here to speculate, we’re here to investigate.” It’s the speculators who can’t come up with anything better than a silly conspiracy.

The NTSB didn't investigate Flight 800. The FBI did. Hmm... Why is that?

Pliny
11-07-2014, 05:44 PM
Of course the government would NEVER lie to anyone. Whoever thinks so is just a silly conspiracy theorist. Oh yeah, Nixon was not a crook and Watergate was just made up. Of course the government has only become more "transparent" and would never spy on anyone either. Heaven forbid this government would ever cover anything up. Of course the government would never lie about purposely selling guns to criminals...

Its been said that figures don't lie but liars figure...

Disciple4life
11-07-2014, 05:54 PM
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

Martin Luther King, Jr. :icecream

Disciple4life
11-07-2014, 05:57 PM
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.

Mark Twain :highfive

Abiding Now
11-07-2014, 05:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh163n1lJ4M

Abiding Now
11-07-2014, 06:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBe_guezGGc

Abiding Now
11-07-2014, 06:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anWOTy1Yazc

Praxeas
11-07-2014, 07:35 PM
The NTSB didn't investigate Flight 800. The FBI did. Hmm... Why is that?
What makes you say that? Maybe they both investigated?

Abiding Now
11-07-2014, 09:02 PM
FBI cover up. :nod

canam
11-16-2014, 04:10 AM
The people that believe anything but the burning jet fuel caused this have no clue about physics or temps. and they also believe the monster energy drink and the pepsi can, conspiracy along with 666 being concealed in bar codes ! ps the ntsb investigates every crash and did this one also, as did the fbi foor criminal purposes it was a 4 year investigation by ntsb smh !

shazeep
11-16-2014, 08:07 AM
:lol ok

Praxeas
11-16-2014, 05:16 PM
The people that believe anything but the burning jet fuel caused this have no clue about physics or temps. and they also believe the monster energy drink and the pepsi can, conspiracy along with 666 being concealed in bar codes ! ps the ntsb investigates every crash and did this one also, as did the fbi foor criminal purposes it was a 4 year investigation by ntsb smh !
ROFL....Hey, there probably are some evil conspiracies out there. People conspire all the time but guess what? The nature of a conspiracy is nobody is supposed to know

So that's why we have so many competing conspiracies...because nobody knows anything. They all assume there is a conspiracy and their imaginations do the rest

shazeep
11-16-2014, 07:53 PM
It is the multiplicity of evidence that causes me to doubt the official version, 2 towers coming down demo-style, in free fall, and a third falling from even less damage chief among them.

Reader
11-16-2014, 08:08 PM
along with 666 being concealed in bar codes

Oh! I remember that one!

Pastor Rick Strawcutter in Michigan used to promote all types of conspiracy videos years back (unsure if he still does). I believe he had a marketing plan for selling them. For some, almost everything is a conspiracy.

Jermyn Davidson
11-17-2014, 11:13 AM
I do not believe my government would lie to me.

Not about some things anyway.

shazeep
11-17-2014, 02:39 PM
Not about some things anyway.

Hmm. Care to name one? :D

Praxeas
11-17-2014, 09:19 PM
It is the multiplicity of evidence that causes me to doubt the official version, 2 towers coming down demo-style, in free fall, and a third falling from even less damage chief among them.

It wasn't demo style. The Demo's I have seen of large buildings begin at the bottom, not 3/4s of the way up where a jet happened to hit

It would have to have been magic to install ALL those explosives in the building and nobody see the Demo crew, or see the explosives sticking out and the wires running out of the building to a very VERY remote location.

That makes no sense at all

Watch video. You see huge HOLES in the sides of the buildings. You see smoke. It burns for a long time. You see where the hole was the top comes crushing down and then the rest goes down.

If there were explosives there they would have ignited nearly when the plane first hit and fire balled.

That third building...watch the video of the first two towers. They they come down debris is flying, heavy chunks

Building 7 was a burning fire for a long time because the Fire marshal would not let them in to fight it believing it to be unsafe from damage. The fire eventually brought it down from the heat and structural damage

shazeep
11-18-2014, 07:45 AM
In free fall. With no pile of rubble at the bottom ( which should have been about ten stories high), no investigation of the rubble allowed, and molten steel reported in the basement a month later? Hmm. And members of Congress and the Prez proudly pronouncing the curse of Ezekiel, complete with the planting of a cedar where there was a sycamore? Too much for me to swallow.

And how about that official footage that shows the plane's left wing going behind a building in the distance? Priceless...

shazeep
11-18-2014, 07:47 AM
And. And and and, and! C'mon Prax; really?

shazeep
11-18-2014, 01:55 PM
http://yournewswire.com/24-hard-facts-about-911-that-cannot-be-debunked-you-be-the-judge/

shazeep
03-28-2015, 11:01 AM
http://topinfopost.com/2013/04/28/uk-man-wins-court-case-against-bbc-for-911-cover-up

Praxeas
03-28-2015, 03:24 PM
I'll tell you want, rather than flood us with a lot of links to information I already refuted, how about picking one point and argue it and I will address it

shazeep
03-28-2015, 04:25 PM
um, hmm, not sure this even requires address; it speaks for itself. Here's the video extract from the article; BBC prematurely reports building 7 collapse. Twice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s

Praxeas
03-28-2015, 04:44 PM
Like I said, Im not gonna keep reading these crazy websites or watch the videos that just regurgitate the same stuff I refuted or that contradict each other.
Bring one solid argument you want to prove and support it and I will address it.

Praxeas
03-28-2015, 04:45 PM
People on facebook do this all the time. Rather than come up with a solid argument and supporting evidence, the just post videos and memes...

Praxeas
03-28-2015, 04:47 PM
Here we go. Im gonna refute every conspiracy with a meme

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/lh533afb68.jpg

Praxeas
03-28-2015, 04:47 PM
http://www.joeclifford.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/bill-nye-meme-1-300x234.jpg

shazeep
03-28-2015, 05:21 PM
:lol funny thing on that last one--he used to be proGMO, and has now come out against? I hear...

Jito463
03-28-2015, 06:12 PM
I'm not sure I'd use Bill Nye for that particular meme, considering he's one of the "global warming" nutjobs.

shazeep
03-28-2015, 06:22 PM
FL state employees are now prohibited from using the phrase 'global warming' or 'climate change,' i just read somewhere...

Originalist
03-28-2015, 08:56 PM
I also know that when someone wants to demolish a skyscraper they bring in experts that study and examine the building beforehand. The reason is they want it to collapse on itself. If not the building would tilt and spread wreckage everywhere and damage other buildings. The experts are very specific about where they place explosives, what type of explosive and how the explosion is aimed. Then they are very specific about the timing of the explosions. Everything must be perfect or the building will not collapse on itself.
The twin towers did indeed collapse on itself, miraculously. This reason alone makes me believe the government is hiding something.

Anyone remember the TWA flight that was shot down on take off? Ooopppsss I mean exploded in mid air from a lightning strike or some other event but not from a missile. Even though eye witness testimony said there were vapor trails leading up to the plane. Yeah, I think the government is hiding the truth there as well.

Lets not forget the Lusitania. The US government was shipping supplies to Europe using human shields. Germany told this country they would sink the ship because it was carrying military equipment. The US government didn't care. The was a civilian liner that was being used for military purposes. When it was sunk the US forgot to tell the nation that it was sunk because of the military hardware they placed on it. Instead they told the world the evil Germans sunk a civilian ship. This was the impetus for the US to join Europe in WWI.

Let's not forget the placebo's that were given black men so they could chart the effects of syphilis.

Back to the present, why is it we don't hear about the NSA anymore?
What about the reporter that was investigating Bengahzi that was hacked by the government?
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sharyl-attkisson-video-hacking

Should we talk about Fast and Furious? Where it appears Democrats wanted criminals to get guns and perpetrate crime so they could then whine about gun violence.


I don't trust the government and believe they are hiding the truth.


Let's not forget Ft. Sumter, when, after assuring the Confederate government through back channels that the Fort would be evacuated, the Union was secretly planning to not only resupply the fort but to send enough marines to occupy Charleston. That was an act of war that necessitated the taking of the fort by the Confederates. The fort's commander, Major Anderson, wrote a blistering letter blaming Lincoln for starting the war. The shrew Lincoln knew that the south would be blamed for "firing the first shot".

Praxeas
03-29-2015, 01:47 AM
http://www.zioncrimefactory.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/JONES-INSANITY.jpg

Praxeas
03-29-2015, 01:48 AM
https://michaelpatrickclark.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/images-1.jpg

Esaias
03-29-2015, 01:56 AM
Thought you didn't like stupid meme posters?

Praxeas
03-30-2015, 01:31 AM
Thought you didn't like stupid meme posters?
I dont. Thats all he does. Nobody wants to have a serious conversation

shazeep
03-30-2015, 05:12 AM
no reason one could not discuss a meme. i'm not too familiar with alex jones tho.

shazeep
03-30-2015, 04:27 PM
http://www.theeventchronicle.com/911/shanksville-coroner-no-bodies-found-at-911-crash-site-not-a-single-drop-of-blood/

shazeep
04-08-2015, 10:17 AM
http://i.imgur.com/EtfGZgt.jpg

Fionn mac Cumh
04-08-2015, 01:49 PM
That was from my neck of the woods.

Ferd
04-08-2015, 02:26 PM
I also know that when someone wants to demolish a skyscraper they bring in experts that study and examine the building beforehand. The reason is they want it to collapse on itself. If not the building would tilt and spread wreckage everywhere and damage other buildings. The experts are very specific about where they place explosives, what type of explosive and how the explosion is aimed. Then they are very specific about the timing of the explosions. Everything must be perfect or the building will not collapse on itself.
The twin towers did indeed collapse on itself, miraculously. This reason alone makes me believe the government is hiding something.
.



are you kidding? It most certainly did not collapse on itself. it spread damage over a LARGE area. at least a half dozen large buildings around the twin towers were either damaged or destroyed

shazeep
04-08-2015, 02:46 PM
ya, and there are other anomalies that suggest other forces at work; the ptb may have been testing a power weapon, perhaps. That it came down at free-fall speeds precludes death by jumbo jet absolutely, imo; but there are several clues that it wasn't a straightforward demolition also.

Aquila
04-09-2015, 09:10 AM
I believe the government knew an attack was coming. I don't believe they understood exactly how many were involved, or exactly when and where. Seeing that they didn't have enough information to prevent it... I believe the government just "braced itself" and waited. When it happened, I'm not sure anyone knew of what magnitude it would become. I do think the towers fell due to the heat and fire resulting from the planes impact. I think the government expected the attack to give them a green light to conduct military reprisal and perhaps allow them to further a regime change agenda in Iraq. But I don't think anyone knew how terrible the attack would be... or how expansive the military response would become.

Aquila
04-09-2015, 09:14 AM
Sometimes you know something is coming. You don't know what it is. You have an idea of how you might respond. All you can do is wait and say, "I dare ya."

shazeep
04-09-2015, 09:43 AM
...um, and also "stand down." ok. And any 1st year engineer can explain the impossibility of that building coming down at free-fall speed without help. It cannot happen. It is impossible. Just make a 4 sided column out of wire screen, soak a pencil in diesel, light it up, and poke it through the screen to see. The analogy is very close, except of course the screen will melt much quicker than the latticed steel beams.

n david
04-09-2015, 10:42 AM
The hacker, "Guccifer," is claiming he hacked the email of high-level military officials which show a conversation about detonating a nuke in a city in Pennsylvania sometime this year. Chicago was also mentioned.

He's the hacker who hacked into GWB's emails and posted the pics of Bush's paintings; and the one who hacked Clinton's emails with her staff which detailed her network of spys.

shazeep
04-09-2015, 10:56 AM
interesting...got a link? ah-found it
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#q=guccifer%20predictions&es_th=1

aegsm76
04-09-2015, 11:36 AM
...um, and also "stand down." ok. And any 1st year engineer can explain the impossibility of that building coming down at free-fall speed without help. It cannot happen. It is impossible. Just make a 4 sided column out of wire screen, soak a pencil in diesel, light it up, and poke it through the screen to see. The analogy is very close, except of course the screen will melt much quicker than the latticed steel beams.

"Steel is just the element iron that has been processed to control the amount of carbon. Iron, out of the ground, melts at around 1510 degrees C (2750°F). Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees C (2500°F)
The steel structure of the World Trade Center would not have to melt in order for the buildings to lose their structural integrity. Steel can be soft at 538°C (1,000°F) well below the burning temperature of jet fuel."

http://education.jlab.org/qa/meltingpoint_01.html

Jet A-1 Jet A
Flash point 38 °C (100 °F)
Autoignition temperature 245 °C (473 °F)[10]
Freezing point −47 °C (−53 °F) −40 °C (−40 °F)
Max adiabatic burn temperature 2,500 K (2,230 °C) (4,040 °F) Open Air Burn temperature: 1,030 °C (1,890 °F)[11][12][13]
Density at 15 °C (59 °F) 0.804 kg/L (6.71 lb/US gal) 0.820 kg/L (6.84 lb/US gal)
Specific energy 43.15 MJ/kg 43.02 MJ/kg
Energy density 34.7 MJ/L 35.3 MJ/L

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel

Go find another analogy.
That one does not work.

shazeep
04-09-2015, 11:50 AM
bull puckeys, it works fine. you might get some localized collapse, ok, but no way are you going to get 120 stories coming down in free fall. That is a joke.

Jito463
04-09-2015, 01:53 PM
I believe the government knew an attack was coming. I don't believe they understood exactly how many were involved, or exactly when and where. Seeing that they didn't have enough information to prevent it... I believe the government just "braced itself" and waited. When it happened, I'm not sure anyone knew of what magnitude it would become. I do think the towers fell due to the heat and fire resulting from the planes impact. I think the government expected the attack to give them a green light to conduct military reprisal and perhaps allow them to further a regime change agenda in Iraq. But I don't think anyone knew how terrible the attack would be... or how expansive the military response would become.

The government knew about the impending attacks while Clinton was still in office. The problem was, they didn't have any details. No idea when or where it was going to occur. It's impossible to stop something from happening if you don't know any details.

shazeep
04-09-2015, 02:00 PM
ya, not buying that, either. The changes in insurance, etc, prior to the catastrophe say differently, as well as the $Billions made anonymously in stock market puts against the airline and insurers. We have too many unexplainable quotes by too many leaders to make what you are saying believable, at least by the actual date of 911. Imo.

Aquila
04-09-2015, 02:20 PM
NWO?

Praxeas
04-09-2015, 03:02 PM
:smack

Praxeas
04-09-2015, 03:06 PM
ya, not buying that, either. The changes in insurance, etc, prior to the catastrophe say differently, as well as the $Billions made anonymously in stock market puts against the airline and insurers. We have too many unexplainable quotes by too many leaders to make what you are saying believable, at least by the actual date of 911. Imo.
No they don't. Changes in insurance say absolutely nothing. First of all, prove there even was a change.

Second of all, people and businesses can and often do change insurance for various reasons

what unexplained quotes?

Praxeas
04-09-2015, 03:06 PM
The government knew about the impending attacks while Clinton was still in office. The problem was, they didn't have any details. No idea when or where it was going to occur. It's impossible to stop something from happening if you don't know any details.
That may be the only real "conspiracy"...we knew and did not say or do anything

Praxeas
04-09-2015, 03:11 PM
ya, and there are other anomalies that suggest other forces at work; the ptb may have been testing a power weapon, perhaps. That it came down at free-fall speeds precludes death by jumbo jet absolutely, imo; but there are several clues that it wasn't a straightforward demolition also.
Or perhaps...perhaps it was aliens!
http://www.bradleyfarless.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/image.png

Praxeas
04-09-2015, 03:15 PM
...um, and also "stand down." ok. And any 1st year engineer can explain the impossibility of that building coming down at free-fall speed without help. It cannot happen. It is impossible. Just make a 4 sided column out of wire screen, soak a pencil in diesel, light it up, and poke it through the screen to see. The analogy is very close, except of course the screen will melt much quicker than the latticed steel beams.
It had help. tons and tons of and tons of building on top of the impact site.

It's already been proven the fuel burning, along with the other flammable material was enough to weaken the supports till they buckled. Just see my previous videos where in a controlled burn they proved it and in a freak accident a fuel tanker turned over and caught on fire. The support inside the concrete melted and the over pass collapsed

Your wire screen is faulty because it does not account for tons and tons and tons of WEIGHT pushing down on the columns.

Praxeas
04-09-2015, 03:28 PM
bull puckeys, it works fine. you might get some localized collapse, ok, but no way are you going to get 120 stories coming down in free fall. That is a joke.
Detach yourself from the subjective Conspiracy mind for a second...

The jets's hit 3/4th of the way up, leaving 1/4 of concrete and steal above the impact zone.

Now watch video where the collapse begins with that top half falling first INTO the floors below.

shazeep
04-09-2015, 05:14 PM
:lol prax it is still ludicrous, a physical impossibility for it to happen in free fall. And certainly is going to leave a ten story pile of rubble even if just demolished. it stinks 150 other different ways. Beautiful piece of work, actually--in a sick, horrid way. Guess we'll find out someday...but if you're ok with Cheney ordering a stand down, i mean what else is there to say

Praxeas
04-09-2015, 06:09 PM
:lol prax it is still ludicrous, a physical impossibility for it to happen in free fall.
First of all it was not a free fall. Each level fell down on top of the one underneath it and compacted it.

Second of all, you've yet to prove it's impossible. All you ever do is make assertions and assume they are true.

Praxeas
04-09-2015, 06:14 PM
:lol prax it is still ludicrous, a physical impossibility for it to happen in free fall. And certainly is going to leave a ten story pile of rubble even if just demolished. it stinks 150 other different ways. Beautiful piece of work, actually--in a sick, horrid way. Guess we'll find out someday...but if you're ok with Cheney ordering a stand down, i mean what else is there to say

FreeFall Myth debunked

http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm

Prove Cheney ordered a stand down. What else is there to say? How about facts? Not conjecture you read on a conspiracy board

shazeep
04-10-2015, 06:49 AM
There have been other skyscrapers hit by planes; so we have other evidence, too. Plus, this is just one major point among many
First of all it was not a free fall. Each level fell down on top of the one underneath it and compacted it.ok, well we've all seen it at this point. i guess this is where we differ; looks like free fall to me; your link notwithstanding, wadr.

thephnxman
04-10-2015, 09:01 AM
The myth is that the plane that hit the tower could not have caused it to collapse.
Conspiracy folks argue the metal in the tower could not have melted enough to lose integrity.
I personally remember this being on the news. A tanker truck carrying fuel over turned and caught on fire. The fire burned hot long enough that the over pass collapsed
Here are several videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXb5M8qKrjw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tjs5ILNkJc
You can go to youtube and find other videos
Then some guys tested an i beam with fuel to see if it would lose integrity
This next video, at the 20 min mark gives the experiment with the I beam

The "MYTH" is perpetrated by the government and its puppets!

Ask an ironworker with 30+ years experience. The steel beams of a skyscraper have
specially made beams AND have to undergo a special treatment (forging). The better
the forging, the stronger the steel.
The forging for the high-rises demanded the best forged steel. The evidence of the shoddy
workmanship was wisked away by the government, to also hide the proof of the high-rises'
true cause of falling on its footprint.
]The melting temp of the steel beans vs the temp of flaming jet fuel do not correlate.

The "MYTH" is perpetrated by the government and its puppets!

Praxeas
04-10-2015, 12:23 PM
There have been other skyscrapers hit by planes; so we have other evidence, too. Plus, this is just one major point among many
ok, well we've all seen it at this point. i guess this is where we differ; looks like free fall to me; your link notwithstanding, wadr.

Free Falls is such a subjective word. What does it mean to you?

Praxeas
04-10-2015, 12:28 PM
The "MYTH" is perpetrated by the government and its puppets!

Oh brother

Ask an ironworker with 30+ years experience. The steel beams of a skyscraper have
specially made beams AND have to undergo a special treatment (forging).

That means nothing. They are not impervious to heat


The better
the forging, the stronger the steel.
The forging for the high-rises demanded the best forged steel. The evidence of the shoddy
workmanship was wisked away by the government, to also hide the proof of the high-rises'
true cause of falling on its footprint.
]The melting temp of the steel beans vs the temp of flaming jet fuel do not correlate.

The "MYTH" is perpetrated by the government and its puppets!

Nobody argues they melted lol. They didn't have to melt. All they needed to do was soften from the heat and the weight from tons and tons and tons and tons of concrete and steel above them plus gravity did the rest.

The fact that I beams are forged proves they are not impervious to heat.

shazeep
04-10-2015, 01:03 PM
Free Falls is such a subjective word. What does it mean to you?:lol well, i guess it depends upon what "is" is...

thephnxman
04-10-2015, 11:25 PM
Oh brother
That means nothing. They are not impervious to heat
Nobody argues they melted lol. They didn't have to melt. All they needed to do was soften from the heat and the weight from tons and tons and tons and tons of concrete and steel above them plus gravity did the rest.
The fact that I beams are forged proves they are not impervious to heat.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT "FORGED" MEANS!

Steel used in sky-scrapers come from carbon steel, forged at 2200+ degrees F.
Jet fuel
burns at about 1500 degrees F.
So there are two reasons why the Twin Towers could have collapsed. (1) Shoddy workmanship
by the supplier(s) of the I-beams; or (2), explosives previously placed in the buildings, themselves.

Now guess why the evidence was wisked away!

Jito463
04-11-2015, 05:22 AM
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT "FORGED" MEANS!

Steel used in sky-scrapers come from carbon steel, forged at 2200+ degrees F.
Jet fuel
burns at about 1500 degrees F.
So there are two reasons why the Twin Towers could have collapsed. (1) Shoddy workmanship
by the supplier(s) of the I-beams; or (2), explosives previously placed in the buildings, themselves.

Now guess why the evidence was wisked away!

And once again, the heat did not have to melt them, just weaken them. Add to that, the already existing structural damage from the impact, and you have your answer.

shazeep
04-11-2015, 11:22 AM
at least for the uneducated, yes. You won't get it past any engineers, but what the heck.
The myth is that the plane that hit the tower could not have caused it to collapse...So iow, it really doesn't matter what anyone says; a flat-out admission could be made, and yet there will always be some who deny it. We have several other examples of planes hitting similar hi-rises, and causing fires--none of them collapsed. In free-fall, no less.

So, it will just keep being circulated, a distraction, both sides calling the other ignorant; like JFK :lol someday everyone will know; and i think most people have at least an idea that the official story is a joke; like most or all official stories.

Esaias
04-12-2015, 12:51 PM
The two main towers did not collapse at free-fall speed.

They turned to dust. That was not a collapse, it was a disintegration.

Esaias
04-12-2015, 01:01 PM
And once again, the heat did not have to melt them, just weaken them. Add to that, the already existing structural damage from the impact, and you have your answer.

Bunk. A plane crash will not cause a tower to turn into dust hours later.

Eyewitnesses reported explosions (fireballs and all) in the basement area. Squibs can be seen in the video footage. Radiation levels spiked in the area. Immediately after the event a bystander is interviewed who said "man, wow, the plane hit the tower and the tower collapsed due to burning jet fuel weakening the structure." Yeah right. Whatever.

Building 7 collapsed. Reported by BBC as collapsed some half hour before it happened. Funny bout that...

Operation North woods, military plan to hijack passenger planes and crash them into skyscrapers and blame it on communists. 911 happened during a drill... a hijacking drill...

Cellphone calls from the plane which was technologically IMPOSSIBLE at the time. Funny business with the passenger manifests. Eyewitnesses seeing drones and missiles instead of jumbo jets. No remains of planes at Shanksville or Pentagon. Missing flight data recorders. Investigators "oops we erased all the recordings for flight control that day".

Anyone who believes the official conspiracy theory is simply not capable of rational thought. Orwell would be proud.

Jito463
04-12-2015, 01:49 PM
Cellphone calls from the plane which was technologically IMPOSSIBLE at the time.

:spit

Impossible? Impossible?! They're banned from use, not because they don't work, but because they can interfere with equipment. Why else would they need to put a ban in place. If they didn't work, no one would need to be told they can't use them.

:laffatu

Esaias
04-12-2015, 06:31 PM
See? Not capable of rational thought.

shazeep
04-12-2015, 06:38 PM
i find it helps not to get too emotionally attached to my guesses :lol
The two main towers did not collapse at free-fall speed.

They turned to dust. That was not a collapse, it was a disintegration.i watched a steel beam eject whole and then just vaporize, right outside the drop zone. trippy. Explains the lack of debris, and also pretty evident in the thickness of the debris cloud, imo.

Praxeas
04-12-2015, 06:45 PM
:lol well, i guess it depends upon what "is" is...
You dont know?

Praxeas
04-12-2015, 06:57 PM
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT "FORGED" MEANS!

Steel used in sky-scrapers come from carbon steel, forged at 2200+ degrees F.
Jet fuel
burns at about 1500 degrees F.
So there are two reasons why the Twin Towers could have collapsed. (1) Shoddy workmanship
by the supplier(s) of the I-beams; or (2), explosives previously placed in the buildings, themselves.

Now guess why the evidence was wisked away!
Yes I DO know what forged means.

Once again you are working on the rationale that the steel had to melt. It did NOT have to melt and that is what my evidence proves. All that had to take place was for the steel to be structurally weakened enough so that tons and tons and tons of Steel and Concrete above it would make them buckle

Forging does not mean "Make steel resisted to heat". All forging does is shape a piece of metal to form. In some cases it can be uses to harden a piece of metal.

"
Steel loses strength when heated sufficiently. The critical temperature of a steel member is the temperature at which it cannot safely support its load. Building codes and structural engineering standard practice defines different critical temperatures depending on the structural element type, configuration, orientation, and loading characteristics. The critical temperature is often considered the temperature at which its yield stress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yield_stress) has been reduced to 60% of the room temperature yield stress.[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_steel#cite_note-Industrial_fire_protection_engineering-17) In order to determine the fire resistance rating of a steel member, accepted calculations practice can be used,[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_steel#cite_note-18) or a fire test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_test) can be performed, the critical temperature of which is set by the standard accepted to the Authority Having Jurisdiction, such as a building code. In Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan), this is below 400 °C[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]. In China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China), Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe) and North America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America) (e.g., ASTM E-119), this is approximately 1000–1300 °F[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_steel#cite_note-19) (530-810 °C). The time it takes for the steel element that is being tested to reach the temperature set by the test standard determines the duration of the fire-resistance rating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire-resistance_rating). Heat transfer to the steel can be slowed by the use of fireproofing materials (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fireproofing_materials), thus limiting steel temperature. Common fireproofing methods for structural steel include intumescent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intumescent), endothermic and plaster coatings as well as drywall, calcium silicate cladding, and mineral or high temperature insulation mineral wool blanket.[20]

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_steel#cite_note-NIST_TN1681-20)
Concrete building structures often meet code required fire-resistance ratings, as the concrete thickness over the steel rebar provides sufficient fire resistance. However, concrete can be subject to spalling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spalling), particularly if it has an elevated moisture content. Although additional fireproofing is not often applied to concrete building structures, it is sometimes used in traffic tunnels and locations where a hydrocarbon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrocarbon) fuel fire is more likely, as flammable liquid fires provides more heat to the structural element as compared to a fire involving ordinary combustibles during the same fire period. Structural steel fireproofing materials include intumescent, endothermic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endothermic) and plaster coatings as well as drywall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drywall), calcium silicate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_silicate) cladding, and mineral or high temperature insulation wool blankets. Attention is given to connections, as the thermal expansion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_expansion) of structural elements can compromise fire-resistance rated assemblies"

BTW there is a REASON why they wrap the I beams with a protective barrier to fire. Because those beams can weaken under heat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_steel#Thermal_propertie

BTW one more thing. It wasn't merely jet fuel. It was everything burning and cooking not to mention the air from the high altitude blowing in. It was not a controlled burn where you can measure the temp.

Study how forges work and how they get REALLY HOT. It's because there is a fire in a confined space with an oxygen supply

Praxeas
04-12-2015, 06:58 PM
And once again, the heat did not have to melt them, just weaken them. Add to that, the already existing structural damage from the impact, and you have your answer.
Its like talking to a brick wall....

Praxeas
04-12-2015, 06:59 PM
at least for the uneducated, yes. You won't get it past any engineers, but what the heck.
Engineers confirmed these facts. Just read the information I already posted or watch the video...

These are the findings of Engineers... not fly by night conspiracy theorist

Praxeas
04-12-2015, 07:02 PM
Cellphone calls from the plane which was technologically IMPOSSIBLE at the time.
lol...you can even get WIFI on an airplane....smh

shazeep
04-13-2015, 07:47 AM
i think the point there was that that hardly disputes the main point; which i see will remain obscured.

shazeep
04-14-2015, 09:48 AM
former senator bob graham says classified documents will prove the Saudis helped finance 911, and the FBI covered it up
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/14/world/middleeast/florida-ex-senator-pursues-claims-of-saudi-ties-to-sept-11-attacks.html?_r=0

n david
04-14-2015, 10:01 AM
former senator bob graham says classified documents will prove the Saudis helped finance 911, and the FBI covered it up
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/14/world/middleeast/florida-ex-senator-pursues-claims-of-saudi-ties-to-sept-11-attacks.html?_r=0
Surprise, surprise. /sarcasm

And yet the US has done nothing to punish them or Qatar for their coziness and support of terror.

aegsm76
04-14-2015, 11:20 AM
"Steel is just the element iron that has been processed to control the amount of carbon. Iron, out of the ground, melts at around 1510 degrees C (2750°F). Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees C (2500°F)
The steel structure of the World Trade Center would not have to melt in order for the buildings to lose their structural integrity. Steel can be soft at 538°C (1,000°F) well below the burning temperature of jet fuel."

http://education.jlab.org/qa/meltingpoint_01.html

Jet A-1 Jet A
Flash point 38 °C (100 °F)
Autoignition temperature 245 °C (473 °F)[10]
Freezing point −47 °C (−53 °F) −40 °C (−40 °F)
Max adiabatic burn temperature 2,500 K (2,230 °C) (4,040 °F) Open Air Burn temperature: 1,030 °C (1,890 °F)[11][12][13]
Density at 15 °C (59 °F) 0.804 kg/L (6.71 lb/US gal) 0.820 kg/L (6.84 lb/US gal)
Specific energy 43.15 MJ/kg 43.02 MJ/kg
Energy density 34.7 MJ/L 35.3 MJ/L

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel

Go find another analogy.
That one does not work.

Looks like some people are ignoring this post...

n david
04-14-2015, 12:21 PM
Looks like some people are ignoring this post...
Make it into a meme, then everyone will see it and not argue against it. :nod

:lol

shazeep
04-14-2015, 01:21 PM
:lol

shazeep
09-04-2015, 07:10 PM
Looks like some people are ignoring this post...
http://i.imgur.com/9VNycpd.jpg

shazeep
09-11-2015, 02:18 PM
Looks like some people are ignoring this post...one or two floors sagging i could buy...
http://i.imgur.com/WH5zRvt.png

shazeep
12-29-2015, 05:57 PM
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/SZdOtUDxMZaxPq3C8IBlCYOepjggiMYtKk8BXE7iWE3wNVDI0l pToldXqUg75K6ISe81Hk5PGRiL2IpdT7kjn5roaBikxka4Lmus 80zruFLFLKIQ7-vPd5oVCquJczvJpZOuc9uBGj7ta5b9G6jjZ1hnLzfHBYfDOjvu WWn0vGQ=w470-h313-nc

Esaias
12-29-2015, 06:36 PM
Looks like some people are ignoring this post...

http://www.ae911truth.org/gallery/evidence.html

http://www.ae911truth.org/news/199-news-media-events-60-structural-engineers.html

http://www1.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/345-twin-towers-evidence-blows-away-fire-theory.html

Not ignored, just already addressed long, long ago.

Evang.Benincasa
12-29-2015, 06:42 PM
Listen two planes hit two buildings and the buildings (+ 1 more) all fell down.

That's all.

shazeep
12-30-2015, 07:27 AM
Yup. And, a magic bullet killed JFK, and the world is 6000 years old :lol

shazeep
04-15-2016, 10:56 AM
http://yournewswire.com/clintons-ban-911-truth-film-exposing-truth/

shazeep
04-15-2016, 10:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asw8fhpz0wA

Disciple4life
04-15-2016, 11:18 AM
If this was a conspiracy with the Catholic Church everybody would be ALL in. But our government doing something or not doing something that would endanger or harm innocent people, Forget About It!!!

Does anyone remember the Tuskegee Airmen, CIA LSD trials, Veterans being subjected to drugs and nuclear radiation without being told the harmful effects and possible consequences.

Isn't there a commandment about not lying? Isn't it like the ninth?
Lying is pretty common. I have been lied to like a thousand times today by different people. But the Government NEVER lies about anything.
REALLY, REALLY ARE YOU PEOPLE KIDDING ME!!!:foottap:girlytantrum

Praxeas
04-15-2016, 12:33 PM
http://yournewswire.com/clintons-ban-911-truth-film-exposing-truth/
You didnt read your own link did you?

Here is why they opposed it

"The four-hour film by the Iranian American writer-director examines former President Bill Clinton’s failure to capture and kill Osama bin Laden."

Nothing in the link about Bush being president or the movie exposing it was zionist jews or illuminati or the buildings were taken down by explosives

Praxeas
04-15-2016, 12:35 PM
If this was a conspiracy with the Catholic Church everybody would be ALL in. But our government doing something or not doing something that would endanger or harm innocent people, Forget About It!!!

Does anyone remember the Tuskegee Airmen, CIA LSD trials, Veterans being subjected to drugs and nuclear radiation without being told the harmful effects and possible consequences.

Isn't there a commandment about not lying? Isn't it like the ninth?
Lying is pretty common. I have been lied to like a thousand times today by different people. But the Government NEVER lies about anything.
REALLY, REALLY ARE YOU PEOPLE KIDDING ME!!!:foottap:girlytantrum
If the conspiracy involved the RCC Id still think you guys are nuts and not thinking rationally

shazeep
04-15-2016, 12:38 PM
well, i gotta wonder if that was your position on precious metals price fixing, yesterday?

and ya, i'm not trying to make any connections here, just posting a related link. The whole "we got Osama" thing stinks to heaven--the whole seal team is now dead, etc.

Praxeas
04-15-2016, 12:56 PM
well, i gotta wonder if that was your position on precious metals price fixing, yesterday?

and ya, i'm not trying to make any connections here, just posting a related link. The whole "we got Osama" thing stinks to heaven--the whole seal team is now dead, etc.
Your video had nothing to do with price fixing.

shazeep
04-15-2016, 01:00 PM
no, that is another thread; scoffing at conspiracy is more the point here. I don't know what exactly happened 9/11 any more than the next guy; but i can read how satan operates.

Esaias
04-15-2016, 01:15 PM
The only true conspiracy theories are the ones the government and the TV news media tells you. The rest is all tin foil hattery nonsense insanity.

The chocolate ration has been increased today...

Evang.Benincasa
04-15-2016, 08:58 PM
The only true conspiracy theories are the ones the government and the TV news media tells you. The rest is all tin foil hattery nonsense insanity.

The chocolate ration has been increased today...

No doubt! :highfive

Evang.Benincasa
04-15-2016, 09:23 PM
Anyway a plane hit the pentagon and no one has a video. It isn't like the pentagon has a lot of surveillance. Hey, a gas station took a video.

Praxeas
04-15-2016, 09:33 PM
no, that is another thread; scoffing at conspiracy is more the point here. I don't know what exactly happened 9/11 any more than the next guy; but i can read how satan operates.
Exactly...what you posted was irrelevant

Praxeas
04-15-2016, 09:35 PM
The only true conspiracy theories are the ones the government and the TV news media tells you. The rest is all tin foil hattery nonsense insanity.

The chocolate ration has been increased today...
Actually, I doubt most "known" theories are true, whether as told by the nuts or by guberment people

Praxeas
04-15-2016, 09:36 PM
Anyway a plane hit the pentagon and no one has a video. It isn't like the pentagon has a lot of surveillance. Hey, a gas station took a video.
There is video...

Check this out, this guy examines the evidence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8

Esaias
04-15-2016, 10:46 PM
That Pentagon looks like a Godzilla movie set...

shazeep
04-16-2016, 06:25 AM
There is video...

Check this out, this guy examines the evidence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8:lol ya ok, this is "video," and what i posted, the suppression of the truth, is "irrelevant." gotcha. No less than like 7 cameras should have an angle on where the "plane" hit, Prax, and you are showing me a cartoon :lol

Evang.Benincasa
04-16-2016, 09:57 AM
:lol ya ok, this is "video," and what i posted, the suppression of the truth, is "irrelevant." gotcha. No less than like 7 cameras should have an angle on where the "plane" hit, Prax, and you are showing me a cartoon :lol

What makes you believe the pentagon has enough cameras to video the plane?
Maybe the broke when the plane hit?

Praxeas
04-17-2016, 05:45 PM
:lol ya ok, this is "video," and what i posted, the suppression of the truth, is "irrelevant." gotcha. No less than like 7 cameras should have an angle on where the "plane" hit, Prax, and you are showing me a cartoon :lol
Yes they should have a camera pointed at a blank 100 foot high wall. BTW had you watched it you would have seen video footage of the jet

FlamingZword
04-17-2016, 07:54 PM
:lol ya ok, this is "video," and what i posted, the suppression of the truth, is "irrelevant." gotcha. No less than like 7 cameras should have an angle on where the "plane" hit, Prax, and you are showing me a cartoon :lol

The earth is flat you do know that, right.

The idea that the earth is round is a conspiracy. :D

Esaias
04-17-2016, 08:07 PM
Actually, I doubt most "known" theories are true, whether as told by the nuts or by guberment people

What's the difference?

Evang.Benincasa
04-17-2016, 08:42 PM
The earth is flat you do know that, right.

The idea that the earth is round is a conspiracy. :D

I always thought shazeep's head was flat?

Praxeas
04-18-2016, 01:33 AM
What's the difference?
Between?

shazeep
04-22-2016, 08:17 AM
Yes they should have a camera pointed at a blank 100 foot high wall.what EB said

BTW had you watched it you would have seen video footage of the jetplease note the size of the impeller core at 5:04

Praxeas
04-22-2016, 11:11 PM
I always thought shazeep's head was flat?
This?

Praxeas
04-22-2016, 11:12 PM
What makes you believe the pentagon has enough cameras to video the plane?
Maybe the broke when the plane hit?
This?

shazeep
04-23-2016, 09:45 AM
Anyway a plane hit the pentagon and no one has a video. It isn't like the pentagon has a lot of surveillance. Hey, a gas station took a video.:lol hey, why look for video when people can make cartoons, and select the video that fits their story; incidentally the same people who can suppress "irrelevant" movies that present another story that is apparently just a conspiracy, but, y'know, we need to be protected from those, because America.

Evang.Benincasa
04-23-2016, 10:44 AM
:lol hey, why look for video when people can make cartoons, and select the video that fits their story; incidentally the same people who can suppress "irrelevant" movies that present another story that is apparently just a conspiracy, but, y'know, we need to be protected from those, because America.

Do you have any proof that the animation is wrong?

Not hypothesis, but do you have evidence?

shazeep
04-23-2016, 11:01 AM
Do you have any proof that the animation is wrong?

Not hypothesis, but do you have evidence?yes, and if you answer a question for me, i will provide it:

When a witness scheduled to testify is assassinated, does that prove that the defendant was guilty?

Evang.Benincasa
04-23-2016, 11:09 AM
yes, and if you answer a question for me, i will provide it:

When a witness scheduled to testify is assassinated, does that prove that the defendant was guilty?

No.

Innocent UNTIL PROVEN guilty.

Now answer my question.

shazeep
04-23-2016, 12:50 PM
well, i am answering your question; pointing to the truth. But you are asking for facts, which are not the same thing. Law aside, would you not be quite suspicious of the defendant after the assassination? I persist here because--as you have pointed out w/the gas station story--my witness has been assassinated, and i find this suspicious.

Alone, it means little, but there are other "facts" that should be viewed in this light. However, comparing the compressor core at 5:04 to the engine that was mounted on the supposed plane provides an indisputable fact, and this has been done. Elsewhere of course, not in the cartoon.

Evang.Benincasa
04-23-2016, 01:36 PM
well, i am answering your question; pointing to the truth. But you are asking for facts, which are not the same thing. Law aside,

You see, this is a problem. Because we live in a land of laws, laws which go from sea to shining sea. Therefore we cannot make statements based on suspicion as being fact. Just because Colonel Mustard was in the conservatory with a rope, doesn't mean he was the killer. We need to piece all evidence together. Everything needs to be in place, in order to gain a conviction. Without key elements someone who may of been close to the crime, have motive to commit the crime, yet may still be innocent of the crime. Therefore we don't put the LAW ASIDE. Just because you hate Professor Plum, was last seen near the library walking with a candlestick, shouting at him that you could kill him, doesn't mean you are the murderer.
That is innocent UNTIL PROVEN guilty.


would you not be quite suspicious of the defendant after the assassination?

I can be suspicious, I could also create a motive, but thank Jesus, that isn't enough to place someone in prison for the rest of their life.

Suspicion: Suspicion is a cognition of mistrust in which a person doubts the honesty of another person or believes another person to be guilty of some type of wrongdoing or crime, but without sure proof. Wikipedia

Without proof? Dude, would you like that for yourself? Is that the kind of treatment in a situation you would want for yourself? I hope your answer would be a no. In the play a Man for All Seasons, the quote from Thomas More is "I would give the devil benefit of law, for my own safety sake." But that is just the dilemma we all must face. That is law, and if we don't give the benefit of law to even the most wicked "the Devil" then we open ourselves up to losing our liberties.


I persist here because--as you have pointed out w/the gas station story--my witness has been assassinated, and i find this suspicious.

But unless you have some strong solid physical evidence then you are twisting in the wind. Suspicion is wonderfully not enough for a conviction. Thank you Jesus! There was a time Salem Massachusetts? Where suspicion was enough to gain your death. While some would like to bring back the witch trails we can safely say we don't really have them now.


Alone, it means little, but there are other "facts" that should be viewed in this light. However, comparing the compressor core at 5:04 to the engine that was mounted on the supposed plane provides an indisputable fact, and this has been done. Elsewhere of course, not in the cartoon.

Bro, do you really know the meaning of the word "indisputable?"

shazeep
04-23-2016, 06:43 PM
It seems to me that you are being disingenuous here, especially in light of the gas station video comment, which i agree with. The assassination of a state's witness is a de facto admission of guilt to the public mind, which is likely why we have civil suits as well as criminal. The impeller has been matched to a cruise missile, which you no doubt are aware of already.

shazeep
04-23-2016, 06:45 PM
You see, this is a problem. Because we live in a land of laws, laws which go from sea to shining sea.Ah; well wadr you might live there, but i do not. So, you consider yourself a legalist then?

Evang.Benincasa
04-23-2016, 06:57 PM
It seems to me that you are being disingenuous here, especially in light of the gas station video comment, which i agree with. The assassination of a state's witness is a de facto admission of guilt to the public mind, which is likely why we have civil suits as well as criminal. The impeller has been matched to a cruise missile, which you no doubt are aware of already.

OK, I asked you for solid evidence. Now, you say you have exhibit A. So where is the actual missile impeller? What kind of missile? who has this evidence? I must remind you that court cases are filed everyday, but whether they succeed in their objectives is another story. So, who has this rocket engine? Or missile impeller?

Evang.Benincasa
04-23-2016, 06:58 PM
Ah; well wadr you might live there, but i do not. So, you consider yourself a legalist then?

You don't live in the United States?

So, do you live in a country which has no laws?

Praxeas
04-23-2016, 07:43 PM
:lol hey, why look for video when people can make cartoons, and select the video that fits their story; incidentally the same people who can suppress "irrelevant" movies that present another story that is apparently just a conspiracy, but, y'know, we need to be protected from those, because America.
So said to see objectivity is lost.

It was 3D animation using high tech tools along with the flight path as outlined by both the pictures and video evidence...no evidence it was a cruise missile

Praxeas
04-23-2016, 07:46 PM
well, i am answering your question; pointing to the truth. But you are asking for facts, which are not the same thing. Law aside, would you not be quite suspicious of the defendant after the assassination? I persist here because--as you have pointed out w/the gas station story--my witness has been assassinated, and i find this suspicious.

Alone, it means little, but there are other "facts" that should be viewed in this light. However, comparing the compressor core at 5:04 to the engine that was mounted on the supposed plane provides an indisputable fact, and this has been done. Elsewhere of course, not in the cartoon.

:thwak

Praxeas
04-23-2016, 07:47 PM
It seems to me that you are being disingenuous here, especially in light of the gas station video comment, which i agree with. The assassination of a state's witness is a de facto admission of guilt to the public mind, which is likely why we have civil suits as well as criminal. The impeller has been matched to a cruise missile, which you no doubt are aware of already.
What gas station video? What assassination? what impeller?

shazeep
04-24-2016, 07:57 AM
OK, I asked you for solid evidence. Now, you say you have exhibit A. So where is the actual missile impeller? What kind of missile? who has this evidence? I must remind you that court cases are filed everyday, but whether they succeed in their objectives is another story. So, who has this rocket engine? Or missile impeller?well, the one at the Pentagon is of course no longer available, has been destroyed, as it is a witness, but we have that picture, and it has been matched to a missile, and compared to the impeller that the plane would have had, for a laugh of course, as the plane one dwarfs the missile one. If you are asking for a link?

http://911review.org/Wiki/PentagonPlaneRotor.shtml

which i just pulled from

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1FERN_enUS685US689&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=jet%20engine%20compressor%20blade%20pentagon%2 0911

for transparency, and note my choice espouses a somewhat different theory, while agreeing that that compressor could not have come from that type of plane--a 757, was it? And let me reiterate that i don't know the truth--i just recognize the lie.

shazeep
04-24-2016, 11:21 AM
Ron Paul--what are you hiding, Washington?

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ron-paul-america-saudi-blackmailing-unless-u-s-hiding-role-911/

Evang.Benincasa
04-24-2016, 01:04 PM
And let me reiterate that i don't know the truth--i just recognize the lie.

Alright then, therefore all we can discuss here is what ifs and maybes.
You believe it's lie then just get in line. Just because we may think something is a lie doesn't necessarily mean it's a lie. We need to go through intelligent investigation. Gathering hard EVIDENCE.

shazeep
04-24-2016, 02:47 PM
well, the issue there is that those with the agenda also control/destroy the evidence, so we must rely on extrapolation of clues, and not everyone is a Sherlock. One would expect a 100 story building to collapse, after demolition, into a pile roughly 10 stories tall; not a pile less than a story with rivers of molten material for weeks, and a wall thrown up around that immediately to discourage photos etc.--never mind a non-demo/plane collision scenario, which of course they never tested for. Oh wait, yes they did, with a heavier plane. But as with most truth, to a certain denying segment, if God Himself came down and told us the truth, some would still deny it.

So unfortunately "gathering hard evidence" means different things to different people, as well. Some are satisfied with cartoons, wherein the truth may still even be discerned with a bit of digging; others insist upon the real video, which the gov btw does not even deny exists; you just can't see it as a matter of "Nat'l Security."

Evang.Benincasa
04-24-2016, 05:24 PM
well, the issue there is that those with the agenda also control/destroy the evidence, so we must rely on extrapolation of clues, and not everyone is a Sherlock.

You know what I find funny? Is that people who think that they can prosecute with circumstantial evidence. Would never be willing to have that gun barrel turned on themselves. You don't only need circumstantial evidence but direct evidence. All these components make for a strong case. Speculation and suspicion is all this whole story has to go on. The building falling down in demolition fashion, rivers of molten steel, is just not enough evidence for you to hang your suspect. Thank Jesus that we have a system like that in place (while it still lasts) but you don't understand that if you bypass the science of the judicial process, you yourself one day may fall under the wheels of what you yourself moved out of the way to prosecute your suspect. Sorry DB for the run of sentence. :)

Sherlock Holmes? I pray to God that we all could have the benefit of a Sherlock Holmes if we were ever under suspicion.


So unfortunately "gathering hard evidence" means different things to different people, as well.

No, this isn't the Spanish Inquisition. Gathering hard evidence is what you need. End of story. I sure wouldn't want to live in a system where we could be sentenced for a crime without direct evidence.


Some are satisfied with cartoons, wherein the truth may still even be discerned with a bit of digging; others insist upon the real video, which the gov btw does not even deny exists; you just can't see it as a matter of "Nat'l Security."

Dude, you need evidence which links directly to the crime. I insist on the real video?

So should you?

Praxeas
04-25-2016, 03:04 AM
well, the one at the Pentagon is of course no longer available, has been destroyed, as it is a witness, but we have that picture, and it has been matched to a missile, and compared to the impeller that the plane would have had, for a laugh of course, as the plane one dwarfs the missile one. If you are asking for a link?

http://911review.org/Wiki/PentagonPlaneRotor.shtml

which i just pulled from

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1FERN_enUS685US689&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=jet%20engine%20compressor%20blade%20pentagon%2 0911

for transparency, and note my choice espouses a somewhat different theory, while agreeing that that compressor could not have come from that type of plane--a 757, was it? And let me reiterate that i don't know the truth--i just recognize the lie.
That picture is not the compressor part you are thinking of...its the part behind the fan as seen from this diagram

http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/ge_engine2.jpg

Praxeas
04-25-2016, 03:06 AM
well, the issue there is that those with the agenda also control/destroy the evidence, so we must rely on extrapolation of clues, and not everyone is a Sherlock. One would expect a 100 story building to collapse, after demolition, into a pile roughly 10 stories tall; not a pile less than a story with rivers of molten material for weeks, and a wall thrown up around that immediately to discourage photos etc.--never mind a non-demo/plane collision scenario, which of course they never tested for. Oh wait, yes they did, with a heavier plane. But as with most truth, to a certain denying segment, if God Himself came down and told us the truth, some would still deny it.

So unfortunately "gathering hard evidence" means different things to different people, as well. Some are satisfied with cartoons, wherein the truth may still even be discerned with a bit of digging; others insist upon the real video, which the gov btw does not even deny exists; you just can't see it as a matter of "Nat'l Security."
There was no river of molten metal, but if there was then it was not a controlled demolition like your conspiracy says

shazeep
04-25-2016, 08:18 AM
You know what I find funny? Is that people who think that they can prosecute with circumstantial evidence. Would never be willing to have that gun barrel turned on themselves. You don't only need circumstantial evidence but direct evidence. All these components make for a strong case. Speculation and suspicion is all this whole story has to go on. The building falling down in demolition fashion, rivers of molten steel, is just not enough evidence for you to hang your suspect. Thank Jesus that we have a system like that in place (while it still lasts) but you don't understand that if you bypass the science of the judicial process, you yourself one day may fall under the wheels of what you yourself moved out of the way to prosecute your suspect. Sorry DB for the run of sentence. :)

Sherlock Holmes? I pray to God that we all could have the benefit of a Sherlock Holmes if we were ever under suspicion.



No, this isn't the Spanish Inquisition. Gathering hard evidence is what you need. End of story. I sure wouldn't want to live in a system where we could be sentenced for a crime without direct evidence.



Dude, you need evidence which links directly to the crime. I insist on the real video?

So should you?i suggest that you have condemned one of your children for a sin that they committed without direct proof, as you did not need it; and neither do we, in civil trials. Was OJ guilty? Criminally, no; civilly, yes. Which is truth?

shazeep
04-25-2016, 08:20 AM
That picture is not the compressor part you are thinking of...its the part behind the fan as seen from this diagram

http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/ge_engine2.jpgi may have named the wrong part; it's been a few years since i saw the cruise missile comparo.

shazeep
04-25-2016, 08:26 AM
There was no river of molten metal, but if there was then it was not a controlled demolition like your conspiracy saysthe lack of multiple stories of debris, and the amount of airborne debris has swayed me to the "power weapon" idea--plus i saw a video by the power weapon lady where an I beam ejected from the building whole and then just... dissolved, in the air. So at a guess it seems that a controlled demo was used to cover a power weapon test. As to the molten river, there were plenty of witnesses, and none of these theories are mine, as you know.

Praxeas
04-25-2016, 12:38 PM
i may have named the wrong part; it's been a few years since i saw the cruise missile comparo.
Either way, its the perfect size. BTW a cruise missile uses a turobo fan and is rather small. So there is no way that came from a cruise missile

Praxeas
04-25-2016, 12:41 PM
the lack of multiple stories of debris, and the amount of airborne debris has swayed me to the "power weapon" idea--plus i saw a video by the power weapon lady where an I beam ejected from the building whole and then just... dissolved, in the air. So at a guess it seems that a controlled demo was used to cover a power weapon test. As to the molten river, there were plenty of witnesses, and none of these theories are mine, as you know.
There was a huge, high pile of Debris

Dont forget the buildings pancaked beginning at the site of impact. An explosive would not have created a river of molten metal. A Power weapon would have exploded. There is no explosion and the pancaking blows your theory

Esaias
04-25-2016, 01:46 PM
The explosives, combined with thermite/thermate, destroyed the supports, allowing the free fall. More importantly, the buildings were "dustified" as they collapsed, something that has not been explained.

Whatever happened, it wasn't the result of a jumbo jet crashing into the upper stories. Thankfully, the hijackers' passports were made of asbestos and survived to be found on the ground immediately afterwords. ;)

shazeep
04-25-2016, 01:47 PM
:lol ya, the link below returns for "Judy Wood" and "dustified."
Either way, its the perfect size. BTW a cruise missile uses a turobo fan and is rather small. So there is no way that came from a cruise missilei haven't had time to seek the video showing that, but it's out there. "Cruise missile" might not be correct.

shazeep
04-25-2016, 01:55 PM
There was a huge, high pile of Debris

Dont forget the buildings pancaked beginning at the site of impact. An explosive would not have created a river of molten metal. A Power weapon would have exploded. There is no explosion and the pancaking blows your theorywell again, it isn't mine, but i recall the picture of the site afterward showed a virtually ground-level mess, with one corner rising to like 3 stories? Thermite made the river, i guess. And the power weapon did not seem to explode, so much as dissolve, like a disintegrator. The power weapon lady has it in her videos, and it is on youtube--the second one in this return shows some evidence, but not the i beam i saw eject and then vaporize.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=twin%20towers%20i%20beam%20dissolving

Praxeas
04-25-2016, 08:18 PM
The explosives, combined with thermite/thermate, destroyed the supports, allowing the free fall. More importantly, the buildings were "dustified" as they collapsed, something that has not been explained.

Whatever happened, it wasn't the result of a jumbo jet crashing into the upper stories. Thankfully, the hijackers' passports were made of asbestos and survived to be found on the ground immediately afterwords. ;)

Each level pancaking blew out debris

Praxeas
04-25-2016, 08:24 PM
well again, it isn't mine, but i recall the picture of the site afterward showed a virtually ground-level mess, with one corner rising to like 3 stories? Thermite made the river, i guess. And the power weapon did not seem to explode, so much as dissolve, like a disintegrator. The power weapon lady has it in her videos, and it is on youtube--the second one in this return shows some evidence, but not the i beam i saw eject and then vaporize.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=twin%20towers%20i%20beam%20dissolving
What river?

BTW do you really believe that when a building as high as WTC collapses, it has to pile up in a nice neat stack?

Disintegrater ray gun? You're kidding right?

Praxeas
04-25-2016, 08:26 PM
well again, it isn't mine, but i recall the picture of the site afterward showed a virtually ground-level mess, with one corner rising to like 3 stories? Thermite made the river, i guess. And the power weapon did not seem to explode, so much as dissolve, like a disintegrator. The power weapon lady has it in her videos, and it is on youtube--the second one in this return shows some evidence, but not the i beam i saw eject and then vaporize.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=twin%20towers%20i%20beam%20dissolving
LOL..I watched the video..Some guy takes stock video where dust is flying up and then zooms in as the dust rises up over a beam and claims it was disintegrated. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :laffatu

Evang.Benincasa
04-25-2016, 08:56 PM
i suggest that you have condemned one of your children for a sin that they committed without direct proof, as you did not need it; and neither do we, in civil trials. Was OJ guilty? Criminally, no; civilly, yes. Which is truth?

I condemned of my children for sin but had no proof? Are you kidding me?
Is that what you do with your children? Accuse them and punish them without PROOF? That is madness. Sorry, but you need proof. Repeat after me, conspiracy THEORY. Not conspiracy FACT. Big difference. You want to live in a world were people are guilty until proven innocent then good luck that. But I will stay with innocent until proven guilty. Shazzep, you are a Troll, who just wants to jerk people up, and get a laugh. May I suggest you find some other hobby. Why don't you go back to pulling wings off of flies?

shazeep
04-26-2016, 07:40 AM
What river?

BTW do you really believe that when a building as high as WTC collapses, it has to pile up in a nice neat stack?

Disintegrater ray gun? You're kidding right?well, the 2nd video is not showing the I beam that ejected from up high and hung/fell beside the body of the building before just...disappearing; but a less dramatic shot can be seen in the vertical leftover there that basically does the same thing, just dustifies as it is falling. Certainly there is a lot of dust in a demo, but you can even watch demos and compare. I'll eventually run across the I beam one and post it.

shazeep
04-26-2016, 07:41 AM
LOL..I watched the video..Some guy takes stock video where dust is flying up and then zooms in as the dust rises up over a beam and claims it was disintegrated. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :laffatuyes, it is not as evident in that one, but as i said, compare to a Vegas demo or something.

shazeep
04-26-2016, 07:44 AM
I condemned of my children for sin but had no proof? Are you kidding me?
Is that what you do with your children? Accuse them and punish them without PROOF? That is madness. Sorry, but you need proof. Repeat after me, conspiracy THEORY. Not conspiracy FACT. Big difference. You want to live in a world were people are guilty until proven innocent then good luck that. But I will stay with innocent until proven guilty. Shazzep, you are a Troll, who just wants to jerk people up, and get a laugh. May I suggest you find some other hobby. Why don't you go back to pulling wings off of flies?When in doubt, you might have queried them on the matter, but their expression and countenance tells you all you need to know. You can deny this if you like, but really, c'mon.

Praxeas
04-27-2016, 03:40 AM
well, the 2nd video is not showing the I beam that ejected from up high and hung/fell beside the body of the building before just...disappearing; but a less dramatic shot can be seen in the vertical leftover there that basically does the same thing, just dustifies as it is falling. Certainly there is a lot of dust in a demo, but you can even watch demos and compare. I'll eventually run across the I beam one and post it.No. Watch it again, it does not fall. The person that edited the video wants you to believe that but anyone can tell that is not the case

There is a cloud of dust that rises up from the building that just fell. He edits the video shot to make it look like the beam is disappearing and then caption and your imagination fills in the rest. Its very obvious, Im surprised you fall for it

FlamingZword
04-27-2016, 12:45 PM
When in doubt, you might have queried them on the matter, but their expression and countenance tells you all you need to know. You can deny this if you like, but really, c'mon.

You are so gullible, no wonder you fall for every conspiracy theory out there.

Didn't your school teachers ever teach you the word discernment?

by the way I have some prime real state to sell you down here in California, you send me the money first and then I will send you the coordinates of your land. :D

Evang.Benincasa
04-27-2016, 08:18 PM
When in doubt, you might have queried them on the matter, but their expression and countenance tells you all you need to know. You can deny this if you like, but really, c'mon.

No, I just don't punish from looks of guilt. I make further inquiries, looking for a confession. How old are your children shazeep? I just thank God that our legal system doesn't work how you prescribe raising children.

Anyway just have Deacon Booze waterboard those involved so they will confess. :heeheehee

Evang.Benincasa
04-27-2016, 08:22 PM
You are so gullible, no wonder you fall for every conspiracy theory out there.

Didn't your school teachers ever teach you the word discernment?

by the way I have some prime real state to sell you down here in California, you send me the money first and then I will send you the coordinates of your land. :D

Sorry but shazeep has already sent all his money to a bank in Nigeria. They sent him an email notifying him that they would send him 80 million dollars. If he could send them his Social Security # and all his bank information. :D

Esaias
05-04-2016, 10:41 PM
ABC Sells COUNTLESS Old News Archives To The Public - Just NOT The 20/20 Episode About The Dancing Israelis

http://libertyfight.com/2016/ABC-no-white-van-episode-for-sale.html

shazeep
08-09-2016, 11:01 AM
No. Watch it again, it does not fall. The person that edited the video wants you to believe that but anyone can tell that is not the case

There is a cloud of dust that rises up from the building that just fell. He edits the video shot to make it look like the beam is disappearing and then caption and your imagination fills in the rest. Its very obvious, Im surprised you fall for itsounds good, but the rest of the video does not glitch or anything at the edit? what do you make of this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07Bn_CC_mrg

aegsm76
08-09-2016, 11:29 AM
Looks like smoke to me.

shazeep
08-09-2016, 11:35 AM
yes, and mirrors, especially when the newscaster's narrative is considered. Huh? But maybe jet fuel can melt aluminum now, i dunno :)

Praxeas
08-11-2016, 03:44 AM
sounds good, but the rest of the video does not glitch or anything at the edit? what do you make of this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07Bn_CC_mrg

And?

Praxeas
08-11-2016, 03:48 AM
yes, and mirrors, especially when the newscaster's narrative is considered. Huh? But maybe jet fuel can melt aluminum now, i dunno :)
Dude...he admitted there were air plane parts, just not large ones....think...a jet liner screaming at high speed slams into a concrete wall....

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5659/debunking-911-myths-pentagon/

shazeep
08-11-2016, 05:44 AM
and no parts bigger than hand sized? no seats, no cushions? just passports? :lol
frankly, they had me at "free fall," as i have done some demo; and 100 stories do not collapse into a hole even then. There should be a pile 10 stories high with a demo, and much higher than that if...well, if you built a tower out of metal screen, and poked a hole in it with a high speed pencil, that would rep how high the pile should be. Of course we have had tower fires, and plane impacts into towers since then that show all this.

shazeep
08-20-2016, 04:58 PM
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q423/Mark_Whittington/e47ec0e9-6719-4e1a-87eb-dbd1829015c4_zpsil1t0s1s.jpg (http://s350.photobucket.com/user/Mark_Whittington/media/e47ec0e9-6719-4e1a-87eb-dbd1829015c4_zpsil1t0s1s.jpg.html)

Evang.Benincasa
08-21-2016, 07:57 PM
http://i350.photobuckt.com/albums/q423/Mark_Whittington/e47ec0e9-6719-4e1a-87eb-dbd1829015c4_zpsil1t0s1s.jpg (http://s350.photobucket.com/user/Mark_Whittington/media/e47ec0e9-6719-4e1a-87eb-dbd1829015c4_zpsil1t0s1s.jpg.html)

If it was an inside job, how was it done without anyone who worked in these buildings noticing?

shazeep
08-22-2016, 07:26 AM
i guess restricted access, over some weekend or something, the story is out there, unusual deliveries while no one is allowed on the property or whatever. Claiming some kind of retrofit or something, i think.

Praxeas
08-22-2016, 12:14 PM
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q423/Mark_Whittington/e47ec0e9-6719-4e1a-87eb-dbd1829015c4_zpsil1t0s1s.jpg (http://s350.photobucket.com/user/Mark_Whittington/media/e47ec0e9-6719-4e1a-87eb-dbd1829015c4_zpsil1t0s1s.jpg.html)
how many times in history has a jet liner slammed, at high speed, into a very high tower?

Praxeas
08-22-2016, 12:16 PM
i guess restricted access, over some weekend or something, the story is out there, unusual deliveries while no one is allowed on the property or whatever. Claiming some kind of retrofit or something, i think.
That would require a large company of demolition experts...thats too many people for a conspiracy

also someone would have noticed explosives...duh

shazeep
08-22-2016, 12:17 PM
a few, i guess. they anticipate these in drafting, and in fact despite what the public was told the twin towers were designed to withstand an impact from a 707, which would cause more damage than the plane that hit it.

and explosives have been extensively documented @ ground zero, thermite, etc. even videos of coordinated charges going off. all that.

Praxeas
08-22-2016, 12:43 PM
a few, i guess. they anticipate these in drafting, and in fact despite what the public was told the twin towers were designed to withstand an impact from a 707, which would cause more damage than the plane that hit it.

and explosives have been extensively documented @ ground zero, thermite, etc. even videos of coordinated charges going off. all that.
show me where a a jet liner slammed into one other than 9 11

BTW they DID withstand the impact.....that isnt the problem

http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

shazeep
08-22-2016, 12:59 PM
i don't know, i guess the Empire State Bldg was hit, and there has been one in Singapore or somewhere since 911. The chief problem imo is that a collapse could not happen in free fall, 3 times in one day, one bldg was never even hit by a plane for God's sake :lol

Praxeas
08-22-2016, 09:14 PM
i don't know, i guess the Empire State Bldg was hit, and there has been one in Singapore or somewhere since 911. The chief problem imo is that a collapse could not happen in free fall, 3 times in one day, one bldg was never even hit by a plane for God's sake :lol
The ESB was not hit by a Jet.

Its a solid concrete veneer not glass.

Show me the one in Singapore

It didnt happen in free fall three times in one day.

The third building was hit by falling steel and concrete. Think about it.

Evang.Benincasa
08-22-2016, 09:38 PM
i guess restricted access, over some weekend or something, the story is out there, unusual deliveries while no one is allowed on the property or whatever. Claiming some kind of retrofit or something, i think.

There you go, you don't know. Guess what? Being suspicious about something doesn't make a very good case. This is almost like UFO abductions. The story sounds great, but no solid evidence.

Praxeas
08-22-2016, 09:55 PM
There you go, you don't know. Guess what? Being suspicious about something doesn't make a very good case. This is almost like UFO abductions. The story sounds great, but no solid evidence.
:like

shazeep
08-23-2016, 02:54 AM
ok, if i cared, i would prolly argue the 3 did free fall, and leave the others alone, because you're right, i don't know. The ESB is a diff animal, ya. Falling steel and concrete are not going to take a whole bldg down though, i don't think. The Singapore one may have just been a fire, i forget, but i think that is used because the story is that the fire brought down the towers?

i know just enough to be dangerous here lol--but one thing i am sure of is that a 100 story bldg demos to about 10 stories, not a hole in the ground, so there are other anomalies here too, which is why they didn't allow any inspections.

Praxeas
08-24-2016, 03:47 AM
ok, if i cared, i would prolly argue the 3 did free fall, and leave the others alone, because you're right, i don't know. The ESB is a diff animal, ya. Falling steel and concrete are not going to take a whole bldg down though, i don't think. The Singapore one may have just been a fire, i forget, but i think that is used because the story is that the fire brought down the towers?

i know just enough to be dangerous here lol--but one thing i am sure of is that a 100 story bldg demos to about 10 stories, not a hole in the ground, so there are other anomalies here too, which is why they didn't allow any inspections.
There was no hole in the ground. There was a huge pile of rubble.

shazeep
08-24-2016, 07:44 AM
There was no hole in the ground. There was a huge pile of rubble.was there? i have seen nothing like 10 stories of debris that even demolition would require.

FlamingZword
08-24-2016, 09:21 PM
was there? i have seen nothing like 10 stories of debris that even demolition would require.

No evidence or reasonable argument will shake your conspiracy theory.
Only your "truth" is the truth and anything else is a lie. :D

Praxeas
08-24-2016, 10:28 PM
was there? i have seen nothing like 10 stories of debris that even demolition would require.

It's naive to believe a building collapses into a neat pile and doesnt spread out. Even in controlled demos they do it from a LONG distance away

shazeep
08-25-2016, 05:58 AM
hmm, there is a little spread, but most collapse into a pretty close footprint. Anything over a doubling of the original footprint is a fail.No evidence or reasonable argument will shake your conspiracy theory.
Only your "truth" is the truth and anything else is a lie. :Dreally, i have no idea what happened. I just detect many lies in the official story. It is "one bullet, from the book depository" all over again, by the same bunch found responsible for MLKs murder, imo.

Praxeas
08-25-2016, 05:33 PM
hmm, there is a little spread, but most collapse into a pretty close footprint. Anything over a doubling of the original footprint is a fail.really, i have no idea what happened. I just detect many lies in the official story. It is "one bullet, from the book depository" all over again, by the same bunch found responsible for MLKs murder, imo.
No they dont. You act as if there is an invisible wall set up so that all the debris piles up on top.

And most importantly, if that is really how a controlled demo works, you have shot yourself in the foot.
Since the WTC matter was spread all over, using your argument means it could not have been a controlled demo

shazeep
08-25-2016, 05:41 PM
actually i don't think even doubling the footprint is where they're at anymore, more like 1/3 again as much. very little spread. ya, lot of dust, way too much, at wtc, didnt really see ant good shots of the after, hmm, got one?

Praxeas
08-27-2016, 02:06 AM
google images WTC collapse

shazeep
08-27-2016, 06:27 AM
ya, there just aren't a bunch; this is the stock after image, i guess. This is not the pile from 100+ story demo.
https://s21.postimg.org/my13dhlir/wtc.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/my13dhlir/)

shazeep
08-27-2016, 07:16 AM
couple good unconfiscated videos of the cruise missile into the pentagon here; i didn't do any reading, just the videos
http://anonhq.com/70393-2/

shazeep
08-27-2016, 07:22 AM
haven't watched this yet, putting it here for later
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5UyynjxAyw

Evang.Benincasa
08-27-2016, 11:28 AM
2 hours of theory?

Drama and emotional documentary which doesn't PROVE anything?

Oh, but you don't focus on facts anyway, because Muslims and Catholics could be possibly saved?

Praxeas
08-27-2016, 09:17 PM
ya, there just aren't a bunch; this is the stock after image, i guess. This is not the pile from 100+ story demo.
https://s21.postimg.org/my13dhlir/wtc.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/my13dhlir/)
You are not going to find a PILE of 100 story rubble. Rubble spreads out. The more you have the more it spreads out

Praxeas
08-27-2016, 09:22 PM
couple good unconfiscated videos of the cruise missile into the pentagon here; i didn't do any reading, just the videos
http://anonhq.com/70393-2/
Nope...does not have a video of a cruise missile.

American cruise missile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arq5u9j7jEc

Evang.Benincasa
08-27-2016, 09:41 PM
A cruise missile hit the Pentagon?

Then what knocked down the two light poles?

Jito463
08-28-2016, 07:39 AM
I thought Trump suggested it was a Cruz missile? :heeheehee

Praxeas
08-28-2016, 06:49 PM
:slaphappy

shazeep
09-03-2016, 10:54 AM
skip ahead to 32:40 if you like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1969&v=4fvJ8nFa5Qk

Dordrecht
09-07-2016, 06:16 PM
:killinme:killinme:heeheeheeI thought Trump suggested it was a Cruz missile? :heeheehee

Praxeas
09-08-2016, 02:06 AM
skip ahead to 32:40 if you like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1969&v=4fvJ8nFa5Qk
Unfortunately for Barbara Honegger, there was plane debris. There are photos.

Praxeas
09-08-2016, 02:10 AM
Shazeep, I know you wont read this but here it is anyways

http://scienceof911.com.au/pentagon/critique-of-barbara-honegger/

shazeep
09-08-2016, 06:04 AM
oh, she might be a total flake, dunno. look at the 'plane debris' and decide for yourself, i guess.

shazeep
09-08-2016, 11:16 AM
http://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2016/04/epn2016-47-4.pdf

"On the Physics of High Rise Building Collapses."

Esaias
09-08-2016, 04:25 PM
9-11 happened EXACTLY as the government said it did.

This message brought to you by the folks in Building 7. We'll leave the light on for ya.

Praxeas
09-08-2016, 06:40 PM
http://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2016/04/epn2016-47-4.pdf

"On the Physics of High Rise Building Collapses."
Did you read that?

Evang.Benincasa
09-08-2016, 08:17 PM
Did you read that?

I'll give you one guess. :nah

shazeep
09-09-2016, 08:45 AM
Did you read that?the pertinent part, yes. It is an abstract for the article that just came out about the European...Physical High Mucky-mucks, or someone official bunch in Europeandom, i forget, declining to endorse the official version. Prolly should have posted the article, sorry, but it reached a more firm conclusion, ie "you are stupid if you still think there was no hanky-panky" which i thought would just be inflammatory. This is a physics journal, but it isn't that dense, is it?

shazeep
09-09-2016, 11:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpWPMdfkfDo

Evang.Benincasa
09-10-2016, 10:57 PM
Yawn

shazeep
09-11-2016, 07:00 AM
can't think of any jokes, huh?

1ness
09-12-2016, 04:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE9LTYHiknE

shazeep
09-12-2016, 07:08 AM
follow the $

Praxeas
09-12-2016, 12:12 PM
the pertinent part, yes.

this is what you missed!!!

shazeep
09-12-2016, 12:45 PM
:lol the only part i care about is the irrefutable fact that a 767 cannot even impact the first floor without its 9 foot tall engines leaving furrows in the ground, explained at the mark suggested earlier. I am not trying to vet the woman for Homeland Security, or have another irrelevant discussion. The article merited publication in their eyes, and if you want to make that = bogus that is ok with me.

Praxeas
09-12-2016, 10:16 PM
:lol the only part i care about is the irrefutable fact that a 767 cannot even impact the first floor without its 9 foot tall engines leaving furrows in the ground, explained at the mark suggested earlier. I am not trying to vet the woman for Homeland Security, or have another irrelevant discussion. The article merited publication in their eyes, and if you want to make that = bogus that is ok with me.
Engines are 6025 feet in diameter

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml

They did not give it merit. They even said was full of speculation

3 problems right off the bat. The author implies the issue was the fire alone and completely IGNORES that fact of the IMPACT

The other assumption was that no fire has brought down a building. Yes but we arent discussing a small electrical fire. No other time has a JET LINER slammed into a glass, steel framed building

These buildings are designed to withstand normal fires.

Lastly, he assumes a localized fire. The fire was several floors. It was not local. Further the impact and fire ball knocked off the fire proofing as well as destroyed the fire suppression. Firemen were not able to get up there and knock it down so it burned a LONG TIME. That is not normal

Praxeas
09-12-2016, 10:41 PM
Shazz...what knocked over all those light poles?

http://integratedconsultants.com/flash/911_case_study-flight_77.swf

aegsm76
09-13-2016, 08:28 AM
Engines are 6025 feet in diameter

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml

They did not give it merit. They even said was full of speculation

3 problems right off the bat. The author implies the issue was the fire alone and completely IGNORES that fact of the IMPACT

The other assumption was that no fire has brought down a building. Yes but we arent discussing a small electrical fire. No other time has a JET LINER slammed into a glass, steel framed building

These buildings are designed to withstand normal fires.

Lastly, he assumes a localized fire. The fire was several floors. It was not local. Further the impact and fire ball knocked off the fire proofing as well as destroyed the fire suppression. Firemen were not able to get up there and knock it down so it burned a LONG TIME. That is not normal

Engines are 6025 feet in diameter...
That's funny...
I have never seen an engine that big.
Amazing...

shazeep
09-13-2016, 08:59 AM
Engines are 6025 feet in diameter

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml

They did not give it merit. They even said was full of speculation

3 problems right off the bat. The author implies the issue was the fire alone and completely IGNORES that fact of the IMPACT

The other assumption was that no fire has brought down a building. Yes but we arent discussing a small electrical fire. No other time has a JET LINER slammed into a glass, steel framed buildingmy understanding is that it was designed to withstand an impact from a 757, which would cause more damage, and that HW--is that junior?--was telling an outright lie.

These buildings are designed to withstand normal fires.

Lastly, he assumes a localized fire. The fire was several floors. It was not local. Further the impact and fire ball knocked off the fire proofing as well as destroyed the fire suppression. Firemen were not able to get up there and knock it down so it burned a LONG TIME. That is not normalthen build yourself a tower out of steel screen, and fire up a torch, 3000 degrees even, fine, way, way hotter than the fire, and see how long it burns before it comes down...in free fall :lol

shazeep
09-13-2016, 09:03 AM
Shazz...what knocked over all those light poles?

http://integratedconsultants.com/flash/911_case_study-flight_77.swfgood question, i don't know--but i do know that if they released the multiple videos they have, we would all know. Prolly destroyed at this point, no doubt. That alone doesn't tell you something?

shazeep
09-13-2016, 11:35 AM
http://i.imgur.com/MlzqNR5.jpg

aegsm76
09-13-2016, 01:17 PM
Another debunked piece of info.
link
http://www.911myths.com/html/rumsfeld__9_11_and__2_3_trilli.html
and another
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5659/debunking-911-myths-pentagon/

Praxeas
09-13-2016, 06:02 PM
Engines are 6025 feet in diameter...
That's funny...
I have never seen an engine that big.
Amazing...
I dont know how it came out like that. It's supposed to be 6.25 feet

Praxeas
09-13-2016, 06:09 PM
my understanding is that it was designed to withstand an impact from a 757, which would cause more damage, and that HW--is that junior?--was telling an outright lie.
then build yourself a tower out of steel screen, and fire up a torch, 3000 degrees even, fine, way, way hotter than the fire, and see how long it burns before it comes down...in free fall :lol
The Titanic was designed to be unsinkable.

The WTC was designed, several decades earlier, to withstand the IMPACT of a 707....that again has you ignoring the OTHER facet of the fire

IMPACT
and
FIRE..its not one or the other. Its BOTH.

These buildings are also designed to snuff out fires, but that did not happen either.

Watch this video about Hot steel. When steel is heated it becomes SOFT. I have told you that a dozen times, posted video and websites so you should not be ignorant of that fact
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA

Praxeas
09-13-2016, 06:11 PM
Ive shown you this before, so you have no excuse

this was a bridge that collapsed after burning fuel softened the support

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXb5M8qKrjw

Praxeas
09-13-2016, 06:26 PM
This video shows steel beam buckling from Jet fuel fire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl0tHx36RRQ

Praxeas
09-13-2016, 06:27 PM
good question, i don't know--but i do know that if they released the multiple videos they have, we would all know. Prolly destroyed at this point, no doubt. That alone doesn't tell you something?
It tells me you assumed there are multiple videos

Praxeas
09-13-2016, 06:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZOrcjnS3Xg

1ness
09-15-2016, 03:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r51a2HnAXCQ

shazeep
09-15-2016, 01:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9MBi-W-JtI
this debunks Pop Mechanics pathetic attempt at pretending to be Snopes

aegsm76
09-15-2016, 02:08 PM
Here is a good rebuttal against all of MacQueen's "findings".
link
http://recursed.blogspot.com/2008/03/graeme-macqueen-at-911-denier-evening.html

shazeep
09-15-2016, 02:30 PM
problem is McQueen was only a small part of that, and your boy seems to be insisting that free fall is believable, among other things, in tower 7, but chiefly he is calling into question irrelevancies, and surely is not available to answer the multitude of other questions. Of course some response is required to McQueen, even this lame one, "let's kill the messenger," and we saw the same tar and feather job on Woodworth, but I wouldn't get too committed here, as it seems the Saudis cover story is cracking right now, too. Try refuting the evidence, rather than the messenger, like they are hoping you will do.

shazeep
10-17-2016, 10:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSfr88bIqzk

Evang.Benincasa
09-09-2021, 10:11 AM
https://www.bitchute.com/video/EuK1aWgUml3u/

Evang.Benincasa
09-09-2021, 03:29 PM
Persuasive viewpoints of over 1,700 architects and engineers who believe the unsettling theory that scientific forensic evidence points to explosive controlled demolition of the three World Trade Center skyscrapers on September 11, 2001.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/KCoEvzYMd7O2/

Evang.Benincasa
09-09-2021, 11:31 PM
The towers came down, including building 7 in total free fall. To free fall, it had no obstruction on its collapse. Two planes alone didn't bring down three buildings which collapsed in total freefall


https://www.bitchute.com/video/KCoEvzYMd7O2/

Evang.Benincasa
09-10-2021, 09:49 AM
The myth is that the plane that hit the tower could not have caused it to collapse.

Conspiracy folks argue the metal in the tower could not have melted enough to lose integrity.

I personally remember this being on the news. A tanker truck carrying fuel over turned and caught on fire. The fire burned hot long enough that the over pass collapsed

Here are several videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXb5M8qKrjw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tjs5ILNkJc

You can go to youtube and find other videos

Then some guys tested an i beam with fuel to see if it would lose integrity

This next video, at the 20 min mark gives the experiment with the I beam


An overpass is constructed like a 110 stories sky scraper?

When this overpass burned down, did they take all the debris and remove them. Sell them off to the lowest bidder, so the material could not be inspected?

We are 20 years after this tragedy. The families of those who died still won't accept stories about fuel tankers burning down troll bridges. I grew up with the Twin Towers in Manhattan. I had family members who worked on and worked in the buildings prior to the attacks. We are now living in a time where we are totally sure that this country is circling the drain. Where a United States President has just threatened his people that “We've been patient, but our patience is wearing thin,” Biden said Thursday. “And your refusal has cost all of us.” The clock is ticking, and three more years with Biden and Kamala? Listen I don't believe for one minute that things would be different if Trump was president, Ronald Regan, or George Washington hugging Trump. The die is cast, we are the ones who are caught in the crossfire. The only thing we can do is pray that who are is trying to kill and control us is exposed by God.

Evang.Benincasa
09-11-2021, 07:28 PM
20 years later and we still don't have the truth.

Evang.Benincasa
09-11-2021, 09:36 PM
https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/08/06/september-11-families-tell-biden-to-stay-away-from-20th-anniversary-events/

james34
09-12-2021, 06:57 PM
:smack

sorry too small to read

james34
09-12-2021, 07:17 PM
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand


in the hour we live , when your opinion runs parallel with the world you should be concerned.
They accept everything, except the bible version and this is their position on about any subject these days.
It is ironic at the time of "9/11" that laws had to be put in affect to save us from the (unseen) enemy. The government just needed the public to want to be protected(sound familiar) (can you say Covid-19) .... shiboleth, well liberals may have a hard time framing it truthfully, ( the agenda attatched to it that is). No surprise , this is the governments M.O. Frame the chinese or mother nature, or Muslims. The telling is in what rises out of the ashes, Who gains the most in the end and who loses. The government ( with high satisfaction ratings) more gun control, ability to detain indefinately just for suspicion without being charged, law abiding citizens began to be put on terrorist list as high risks, . The government proves this is their heartbeat, (never let a crisis go to waste) and the people become suspects who will even sell each other out , just to keep that dangerous monster that is out there from getting them. You know( see something , Say Something) lololol its just too laughable if it werent true. But what is sad is you have reasonably intelligent people that still trust their gubbimont!

What did they call it, oh yeah DHS /Department of Home blah blah .....

It began operations in 2003, formed as a result of the Homeland Security Act of 2002, enacted in response to the 9/11 attacks. With more than 240,000 employees,[1] DHS is the third-largest Cabinet department, after the Departments of Defense and Veterans Affairs.[4] Homeland security policy is coordinated at the White House by the Homeland Security Council. Other agencies with significant homeland security responsibilities include the Departments of Health and Human Services, Justice, and Energy.

jediwill83
09-12-2021, 08:42 PM
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand


in the hour we live , when your opinion runs parallel with the world you should be concerned.
They accept everything, except the bible version and this is their position on about any subject these days.
It is ironic at the time of "9/11" that laws had to be put in affect to save us from the (unseen) enemy. The government just needed the public to want to be protected(sound familiar) (can you say Covid-19) .... shiboleth, well liberals may have a hard time framing it truthfully, ( the agenda attatched to it that is). No surprise , this is the governments M.O. Frame the chinese or mother nature, or Muslims. The telling is in what rises out of the ashes, Who gains the most in the end and who loses. The government ( with high satisfaction ratings) more gun control, ability to detain indefinately just for suspicion without being charged, law abiding citizens began to be put on terrorist list as high risks, . The government proves this is their heartbeat, (never let a crisis go to waste) and the people become suspects who will even sell each other out , just to keep that dangerous monster that is out there from getting them. You know( see something , Say Something) lololol its just too laughable if it werent true. But what is sad is you have reasonably intelligent people that still trust their gubbimont!

What did they call it, oh yeah DHS /Department of Home blah blah .....

It began operations in 2003, formed as a result of the Homeland Security Act of 2002, enacted in response to the 9/11 attacks. With more than 240,000 employees,[1] DHS is the third-largest Cabinet department, after the Departments of Defense and Veterans Affairs.[4] Homeland security policy is coordinated at the White House by the Homeland Security Council. Other agencies with significant homeland security responsibilities include the Departments of Health and Human Services, Justice, and Energy.


Its the opposite of Israel making the Golden Calf while Moses was on the Mount of God. They said "These are the gods which have brought you out of Egypt."


But instead of misplaced accolades due to idolatry, the government takes judgement from God and instead of repenting, we blame the judgement on the scapegoat of the moment, completely missing the point and use Gods judgement and chastisement as an excuse to expand government authority. That will CERTAINLY appease the Lords wrath right?

james34
09-12-2021, 09:38 PM
Its the opposite of Israel making the Golden Calf while Moses was on the Mount of God. They said "These are the gods which have brought you out of Egypt."


But instead of misplaced accolades due to idolatry, the government takes judgement from God and instead of repenting, we blame the judgement on the scapegoat of the moment, completely missing the point and use Gods judgement and chastisement as an excuse to expand government authority. That will CERTAINLY appease the Lords wrath right?


Not "WE", but the world. If the fearful give up freedom and reject Godliness, well , the fearful and unbelieving shall have their part in the lake of fire.

The righteous are in the know(they are led of the Holy Ghost), the word of God is even a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
The wicked think it strange that we run NOT with them to the same excess of rioting, whereas they like to riot in the daytime,(they are emboldened in their erroneous ways)

Praxeas
09-18-2021, 02:31 AM
An overpass is constructed like a 110 stories sky scraper?

When this overpass burned down, did they take all the debris and remove them. Sell them off to the lowest bidder, so the material could not be inspected?

We are 20 years after this tragedy. The families of those who died still won't accept stories about fuel tankers burning down troll bridges. I grew up with the Twin Towers in Manhattan. I had family members who worked on and worked in the buildings prior to the attacks. We are now living in a time where we are totally sure that this country is circling the drain. Where a United States President has just threatened his people that “We've been patient, but our patience is wearing thin,” Biden said Thursday. “And your refusal has cost all of us.” The clock is ticking, and three more years with Biden and Kamala? Listen I don't believe for one minute that things would be different if Trump was president, Ronald Regan, or George Washington hugging Trump. The die is cast, we are the ones who are caught in the crossfire. The only thing we can do is pray that who are is trying to kill and control us is exposed by God.
The fire heated the metal enough for it to collapse.

A highrise has many times more weight pushing down on the fire weakened steel.

Praxeas
09-18-2021, 02:33 AM
sorry too small to read
Use a step ladder

Nicodemus1968
09-18-2021, 03:57 AM
The fire heated the metal enough for it to collapse.

A highrise has many times more weight pushing down on the fire weakened steel.

I’m not one for conspiracy theories, I can’t stand them anymore than the next person.

Yet, one has to wonder if those attacks on 9/11 was carried out by hijackers with box cutters under the mastermind of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?

America is a corrupt country and has been for many years, maybe since the inception, (that may be for another time and place to discuss).

The Twin Towers were constructed of a steel frame that was able to withstand the winds at the height of 1368, and 1362 feet. The frame also went 70 feet below the surface and was built upon solid bedrock. Just to bring this to our understanding, those towers employed 50,000 people inside the building! Over 150,000 people used the twin tower subways EVERY day!

The fire heated the metal enough for it to collapse.

I’m not trying to nitpick one word yet it’s important to understand it was not metal, it was steel. Steel will not begin to melt until 2500-2750 degrees Fahrenheit. When the planes hit the building and burst into flames (Jet Fuel), the temperature would only be around 1500 degrees fahrenheit, not anywhere close enough to begin the melting process. Eyewitness accounts said as they were running down the stairs they were hearing bombs going off at an even timeframe, as if it were systematically. The NYFD also agreed with those reports.

The first plane made impact at level 93-99 of WTC1 and the second plane made impact at level 75-83 on WTC2. In other words, WTC1 impact was “so great” that it total shattered floors from 92 all the way to the ground and 70 feet below?!? The same with WTC2 from 74th floor to ground, and then 70 feet below?!? If that doesn’t make your head scratch then maybe this will, all that destruction in 1 hour and 42 minutes!

There is more that I or others can write but search it out for your self.

Just understand that this country is not a godly country, never was, and never will be. There “GOD”, is not the GOD that we serve, for the god they serve is Gold, Oil, and Drugs. There are people in this country that are Godly, that serve and worship the one to true God.