Bill Cosby

[n david]

I loved the 80s, but I have to admit, I've never watched a full episode of "The Cosby Show." I liked Cosby's comedy albums and even went to a large event back in the early 90s where he performed, but I never watched the show. Partly because there wasn't a TV in my parents home growing up.

Three ladies have accused Cosby of druging and raping them. Now TV Land has decided to stop airing repeats of The Cosby Show, NBC has cancelled Cosby's new show which was still in early production and Netflix has postponed or cancelled his Thanksgiving special.

I watched an interview Cosby and his wife were doing for the Associated Press. During the interview, the host asked a question about the allegations and from then on it became very awkward. Cosby refused to answer any questions about it, then at the end of the interview he told the host that if he had any integrity, he would make sure none of that part of the interview would be seen by anyone. Cosby told him it should be scuttled.

Anyone else following this?

IMO, the entertainment industry is being hypocritical with this. Roman Polanski drugged and raped a teenage girl as well, and yet he's still working with Hollywood stars, networks and movie companies.

[Aquila]

I loved the 80s, but I have to admit, I've never watched a full episode of "The Cosby Show." I liked Cosby's comedy albums and even went to a large event back in the early 90s where he performed, but I never watched the show. Partly because there wasn't a TV in my parents home growing up.

Three ladies have accused Cosby of druging and raping them. Now TV Land has decided to stop airing repeats of The Cosby Show, NBC has cancelled Cosby's new show which was still in early production and Netflix has postponed or cancelled his Thanksgiving special.

I watched an interview Cosby and his wife were doing for the Associated Press. During the interview, the host asked a question about the allegations and from then on it became very awkward. Cosby refused to answer any questions about it, then at the end of the interview he told the host that if he had any integrity, he would make sure none of that part of the interview would be seen by anyone. Cosby told him it should be scuttled.

Anyone else following this?

IMO, the entertainment industry is being hypocritical with this. Roman Polanski drugged and raped a teenage girl as well, and yet he's still working with Hollywood stars, networks and movie companies.

It is hypocritical.

It's truly a sad thing when a man known for being family friendly and a champion for strengthening the family within the black and inner city communities might be guilty of raping young people. I think that's the shocker of the story that the media is banking on as it relates to ratings.

[Reader]

There was a lawsuit prior to this that was settled, I believe before it went to court. It was one woman if I recall.

Supposedly there are more than three women that have claimed this. It isn't new news. It is, for whatever reasons, resurfacing now. Perhaps because of all his new plans with shows (Net & NBC).

There was also the man who played the pastor father in 7th Heaven where news on him came out recently. On that one, they have him on audio tape admitting to some.

[Reader]

I think the difference with Polanski is he doesn't have his own TV show. Having a family oriented show and then having things like this surface, it will kill the show, even in re-runs. I don't know that it is so much hypocritical as it is money oriented. Shows cost big bucks and none of them want to invest more money when they won't get a return on their investment.

[n david]

It is hypocritical.

It's truly a sad thing when a man known for being family friendly and a champion for strengthening the family within the black and inner city communities might be guilty of raping young people. I think that's the shocker of the story that the media is banking on as it relates to ratings.
Very sad.

There was also the man who played the pastor father in 7th Heaven where news on him came out recently. On that one, they have him on audio tape admitting to some.
I watched several episodes of 7th Heaven and felt sick when I read the accusations against this man.

Last week I read there is a documentary which played at some foreign film festival about the epidemic of sexual assaults of teens in Hollywood. I wouldn't doubt there are dark and evil things happening in the shadows of the WB tower or other studios.

[Reader]

I wouldn't doubt it either, David. And because it is Hollywood, many get away with it at least for awhile.

It was very sad hearing about Bill Cosby. As a child I listened to his comedy on record albums. If he did even just some of the allegations, because he played the family man and was associated with children, it makes it worse in my eyes. Why? Because many would have trusted him more because of it. Liken the comparison to the ministers who have been caught doing similar.

[n david]

I wouldn't doubt it either, David. And because it is Hollywood, many get away with it at least for awhile.

It was very sad hearing about Bill Cosby. As a child I listened to his comedy on record albums. If he did even just some of the allegations, because he played the family man and was associated with children, it makes it worse in my eyes. Why? Because many would have trusted him more because of it. Liken the comparison to the ministers who have been caught doing similar.
I agree.

[votivesoul]

Someone I know at the familial level told me years ago that back in the late 70's/early 80's, she met Bill at a club while he was on tour, and he accosted her in a way that was sexually inappropriate.

Mind you this was told to me close to seven years ago, way before any of this ever came out.

Leads me to think the allegations are true in some form.

[Praxeas]

It's very disturbing. I DID watch the Cosby shows. I watched the cartoons "Fat Albert" and "The Cosby Show" and he was always portrayed as a conservative upstanding citizen

The Cosby show was literally about a well to do, morally right black family.

He has been very vocal about getting educated and succeeding

The idea of him being a serial rapists just blows my mind.

[KeptByTheWord]

Someone I know at the familial level told me years ago that back in the late 70's/early 80's, she met Bill at a club while he was on tour, and he accosted her in a way that was sexually inappropriate.

Mind you this was told to me close to seven years ago, way before any of this ever came out.

Leads me to think the allegations are true in some form.

Wow. This would imply that the situation is more widespread than even what is public now. Really, really sad.

[seguidordejesus]

Or maybe he's innocent and getting crucified in the court of public opinion. It does happen.

[bishoph]

I am NOT defending Cosby and IF he is guilty, I hope some form of justice can be had. However, he has been very vocal about the liberal agenda in our country and more specifically the black community. There is more than one way to kill a man/woman and their influence. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want, but I do not trust our leaders, and many have been ruined to further their agendas.

[acjcpastor]

Or maybe he's innocent and getting crucified in the court of public opinion. It does happen.

This is exactly my concern. Even if he's a guilty as sin, at this time, the allegations remain accusations. In the land where one is supposed to be presumed innocent until proven guilty, I think it’s totally ridiculous that TV Land pulled his old shows from their lineup. Whether guilty or innocent, Bill was dead right not to discuss anything in an interview concerning a situation he may soon be facing in court. I say, let all of these ladies have their day in court and then if and when the first one of them wins her case, pull the shows and cancel the contracts.

I was once subpoenaed to appear before a grand jury on a federal case against an aircraft component repair facility. The grand jury asked me point blank if I, as a manager in an airline continued to use this particular company’s services once allegations of misconduct were reported in the media. I had to say yes because this company was still certified and allegations need to be proven before they become fact. Until some wrongdoing was proven and this company lost their certification there was no reason to suspend our business relationship.

Now, it might all be true. The comedian Bill might be as big of a sex-oholic as the pervert in chief Bill who had inappropriate sexual relations in OUR Oval Office. (That’s right, that office belongs to “We the People,” the president just occupies it for a season.) But as I recall, that Bill kept his job back then even after the allegations were proven and he was impeached. Now the same folks, including the media who gave that Bill a pass want to crucify this Bill. You might argue that was consensual sex and this is rape. Again, nothing has been proven and even in the President's case, doing what he did with a subordinate was clearly an abuse of his power that may as well have been rape. All I can say is, “what a bunch of hypocrites.” Oh, “he’s just a man in power and it was only sex, it happens all the time.” That doesn’t fit anymore?

Did you happen to notice Cosby's first accuser saying she maintained a relationship with him long after the incident in the hopes of “being taken care of?” I may be wrong, but I suspect all of these allegations today are more about milking the Cosby cash cow than healing the wounds of inappropriate sexual activities 30 or more years ago that these ladies have be quietly holding their tongue over.

[acjcpastor]

I am NOT defending Cosby and IF he is guilty, I hope some form of justice can be had. However, he has been very vocal about the liberal agenda in our country and more specifically the black community. There is more than one way to kill a man/woman and their influence. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want, but I do not trust our leaders, and many have been ruined to further their agendas.

Hear, Hear!:thumbsup

[n david]

The 11th accuser has come forward. It doesn't look good at all. I agree with ACJCPastor about one of the accusers who pretty much used Cosby as a cash cow or sugar daddy. Her accusation is suspect because she maintained a relationship with him and accepted money from him. That, IMO, isn't indicative of a victim.

As far as any conspiracy, I don't believe it. Cosby is very supportive of obama. He's gone as far as to claim that people who oppose obama (specifically Republicans in Congress) are racist. So while Cosby may, from time to time, chastise the black community over certain issues, he is far from a conservative.

[n david]

The list:


Andrea Constand - A Temple University employee, she claimed in 2006 that Cosby drugged and sexually assaulted her in his Philadelphia-area mansion two years earlier. Cosby eventually settled this suit out of court as the prosecution said they had 13 Jane Does who would testify Cosby did the same to them in the past.

Barbara Bowman - Bowman told MailOnline that Cosby raped and drugged her back in 1985 when she was a 17-year-old aspiring actress. Bowman was one of the 13 Jane Does in the 2006 trial against Cosby.

Joan Tarshis - Tarshis claimed that she was just 19-years-old when Cosby drugged and raped her twice in Hollywood back in 1969 while she was working as a writer for him.

Janice Dickinson - The supermodel said in an interview that Cosby asked her to come to Lake Tahoe and talk about a television role in 1982, but ended up drugging and raping her.

Tamara Green - Green, who first came forward in 2005 told MailOnline that she was an aspiring actress in the 1970s when Cosby gave her pills and pretended to care for her while she had the flu, but instead sexually assaulted her.

Therese Serignese - Also one of the 13 Jane Does, she says she was 19 when Cosby drugged and raped her in Las Vegas after one of his shows.

Louisa Moritz - She accused Cosby of sexual assault, saying he once forced her into oral sex, backstage at The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson in 1971, and implied he would further her career if she went through with it.

Linda Joy Traitz - She said earlier this week that she was just 19 when Cosby drove her out to a beach and tried to get her to take pills to relax, before becoming 'sexually aggressive'. Traitz, of Hallandale Beach, Florida, has been charged in the past with trafficking pills. Cosby's attorney, Marty Singer, is trying to use Traitz's past to discredit her claims against his client.

Beth Ferrier - Beth Ferrier claims she had relationship with Cosby in the mid-1980s. She claims that she awoke in her car with her clothes in disarray and not remembering what had happened. Ferrier has claimed that he drugged her coffee.

Carla Ferrigno - The wife of Incredible Hulk star Lou Ferrigno, claims Cosby tried to sexually assault her during a gathering at his house in 1967. What's more, Cosby allegedly tried to use a friend to help court Ferrigno, and allegedly made his move on the former Playboy Bunny just moments after his own wife, Camille, left the room.

Andrea Leslie - The former model-actress claims that Cosby forced her to masturbate him in his Vegas hotel suite after giving her a strong drink in 1992

[Reader]

I say, let all of these ladies have their day in court and then if and when the first one of them wins her case, pull the shows and cancel the contracts.

A case was already settled out of court some time back. Nothing was pulled then.

All these women are not suing Cosby. Whatever gave you that idea?

[Jermyn Davidson]

All this reminds me of what was done to poor Michael Jackson when he was alive.

One accusation settled out of court (AGAINST MICHAEL JACKSON'S INITIAL DESIRES) and the rest just seemed to flow in.

All of the accusations seem suspect to me-- why come forward now?

Why pile on top of him now?

What I do find interesting is the phenomenon of conservative media praising Cosby on multiple occasions before this season of accusation and now they are the ones that appear to be carrying on the most to stone him BEFORE anything can be proven.


Where are the police reports for all of these so-called victims?

The racial climate in this country in the 70's would have ensured that Cosby, if guilty or even just plain accused, never would have seen the light of day in Hollywood back then. His acting career would have been done.

The 80's weren't much better for black people in many parts of country once accused of something sexual close to rape.

There are black people being freed seemingly everyday now from botched trials and false testimony from the 70's and 80's-- where their accusers were or where the only witnesses were white AND LIARS OR MISTAKEN.

What does this have to do with anything? It goes to show the climate of the country at the time when it came to an unjust justice system.

If they were truly raped or wronged in the 70's or the 80's, blacks were put in jail for much less! They should have went to the law enforcement officials back then. I am very confident that something would have been done about it back then-- all it would have taken is just the accusation!

If Cosby is that much of a sexual predator, all they did was enable him-- FOR YEARS AND YEARS!

That is why all of the accusers are full of mularkey!

Who comes forward to tell that they willingly mantained a relationship with the guy that raped him?!

GET REAL!

They want his money!

[Jermyn Davidson]

How do you force someone to masturbate? How do you not go to the police if something remotely close to that even happens?

It is a whole lot easier for guys than for women to ... whatever... and I can't imagine being forced and actually being able to comply-- not even on my best day at age 21!

These accusations are silly and evil.

They want to milk an old man of his money and I hope he NEVER gives in!

[Jermyn Davidson]

How do you force someone into oral sex?

The male is clearly very vulnerable in such a situation!

Was this accuser without teeth?

Was this accuser hoarse and unable to scream that day?

Did Cosby have a gun?


These tramps were useless then and they are just as useless years later!

I hope he NEVER gives in!

[aegsm76]

JD - go study up on the psychology of rape. There is a lot more to it then, well they should have done this or that.
I personally have long admired Bill Cosby, have many of his books and recordings.
But, in my court of public opinion, I believe he is guilty.

[Jermyn Davidson]

JD - go study up on the psychology of rape. There is a lot more to it then, well they should have done this or that.
I personally have long admired Bill Cosby, have many of his books and recordings.
But, in my court of public opinion, I believe he is guilty.

Guilty of what?

Cheating on his wife?
I believe so.

RAPE?
I don't think so!

These women accusers served their purposes in his youth and now they want to collect in his old age.

It's the folly of foolishness!


Again, where are the police reports?

And the only reason you think he is guilty is because you have been listening to the conservative talk show outlets.

If the other outlets were making as much noise about this and the conservative talking heads decided that more should be done to substantiate the accusations, you would be saying the same thing.

But no, it appears that the conservative talking heads have decided to crucify Bill Cosby, and it is sad.

[n david]

I have the full quote below, but there are three parts I wanted to respond to separately.

All this reminds me of what was done to poor Michael Jackson when he was alive.

One accusation settled out of court (AGAINST MICHAEL JACKSON'S INITIAL DESIRES) and the rest just seemed to flow in.
"poor Michael Jackson?" I'm not sure what to make of the accusations against him, but most of it was his own doing. It's not like the media forced him to have slumber parties with little boys. No one but MJ is responsible for the questions and accusations which came against him.

Bill Cosby has the same problem. He settled out of court and has suddenly become quiet about the accusations, and even demanded a question about it be "scuttled" from the interview. So any questioning and seeming rush to judgement is his own doing.


All of the accusations seem suspect to me-- why come forward now?

Why pile on top of him now?
The question has crossed my mind. It seems these women were content to remain silent until Cosby had a new TV show and Netflix special. And as usual in these kind of cases, when one comes forward, there's usually a dozen or more who follow. I'm just glad I haven't seen the name "Gloria Allred" with any of these alleged victims. At least not so far.

Did the TV show and Netflix special have anything to do with them coming out? I would say so. Cosby was said to be on a comeback. Perhaps they couldn't live with him becoming America's beloved family patriarch again.



There are black people being freed seemingly everyday now from botched trials and false testimony from the 70's and 80's-- where their accusers were or where the only witnesses were white AND LIARS OR MISTAKEN.
Angela Leslie is black. So is La’Chele Covington. Both accuse Cosby of sexual assault. Do not make this a race issue!

Speaking of liars, you do remember (maybe not), Cosby lied about having an affair for years before finally confessing to it.


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All this reminds me of what was done to poor Michael Jackson when he was alive.

One accusation settled out of court (AGAINST MICHAEL JACKSON'S INITIAL DESIRES) and the rest just seemed to flow in.

All of the accusations seem suspect to me-- why come forward now?

Why pile on top of him now?

What I do find interesting is the phenomenon of conservative media praising Cosby on multiple occasions before this season of accusation and now they are the ones that appear to be carrying on the most to stone him BEFORE anything can be proven.

There are black people being freed seemingly everyday now from botched trials and false testimony from the 70's and 80's-- where their accusers were or where the only witnesses were white AND LIARS OR MISTAKEN.

Where are the police reports for all of these so-called victims?

The racial climate in this country in the 70's would have ensured that Cosby, if guilty or even just plain accused, never would have seen the light of day in Hollywood back then. His acting career would have been done.

The 80's weren't much better for black people in many parts of country once accused of something sexual close to rape.

What does this have to do with anything? It goes to show the climate of the country at the time when it came to an unjust justice system.

If they were truly raped or wronged in the 70's or the 80's, blacks were put in jail for much less! They should have went to the law enforcement officials back then. I am very confident that something would have been done about it back then-- all it would have taken is just the accusation!

If Cosby is that much of a sexual predator, all they did was enable him-- FOR YEARS AND YEARS!

That is why all of the accusers are full of mularkey!

Who comes forward to tell that they willingly mantained a relationship with the guy that raped him?!

GET REAL!

They want his money!
Things with which I agree:

The accusers should have filed police reports;
Their silence these past decades could indeed have enabled him to commit even more assaults;
The woman who maintained a relationship and now is accusing him will have a hard time proving she was abused as her actions are not typical of victims


Things with which I do not agree:

I do not agree the victim's race has anything to do with this;
I do not agree money is the motivator, else there would be more than one civil lawsuit currently against him from one of his victims;
I do not agree big, bad, evil conservatives are the one's throwing stones against Cosby (Read the DB or HP at all lately, not to mention the Boston Globe and The Atlantic, among other liberal toilet papers);

Other things:

Were you around in the 70s to know what the racial climate was? I admit, I was too young to really know much during that time.

I do know Cosby was an icon in the 80s, and as such, Hollywood looked past his skin color so any accusations back then would have been swept under the rug in order to keep the cash money flowing in. Cosby made the network and recording studios rich. The only color which matters in Hollywood is Green.

[n david]

And the only reason you think he is guilty is because you have been listening to the conservative talk show outlets.

If the other outlets were making as much noise about this and the conservative talking heads decided that more should be done to substantiate the accusations, you would be saying the same thing.

But no, it appears that the conservative talking heads have decided to crucify Bill Cosby, and it is sad.
I'm sorry, but you're being blind here. I've read multiple articles on HP and the Daily Beast against Cosby. I've also read the headlines of articles from the Boston Globe, the Atlantic and other LIBERAL rags joining the chorus against Cosby.

Stop making this a conservative/liberal thing. The guy is being accused of sexually assaulting over a dozen women - black and white - over a couple decades. It's a serious issue which doesn't need some fake political drama injected into it.

[n david]

Guilty of what?

Cheating on his wife?
I believe so.
Glad you believe it, because after years of lying about it, Cosby finally fessed up years ago and admitted to it.

[Praxeas]

One of the accusers has contradictory stories

[Jermyn Davidson]

n david
I am not making this about race. I am saying that had these silly women really been raped, assaulted, yada yada back then, all they would have had to do is say the word and he would have been done.

That is reality.

Why just today there are three men on Death Row in Ohio where the only witness to there alleged crimes is a 12 year old boy who, "wanted to please the police and his parents" so he decided to lie.

Thank God those guys are going to finally be released! But their lives were RUINED!!!

But they were sentenced and condemned to die based on the lie of a 12 year old!

That is reality of our justice system in 70's and 80's.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I was born in the late 70's but, like I said earlier, it is almost every day there is story after story of black males being accused in the 70's and the 80's and now being let free due to lack of evidence, the mistakes of their white accusers or in some cases, the lies of their white accusers.

What is happening to Cosby now is not becuase of his race. It is because of his money.

But had he been guilty of X, Y, and Z in 1971 or in 1981, we would be like Bill who today.

Just the accusation today has removed his shows from the TV Land repeat.

How much more so back then, when the so-called offenses(s) would have been fresh and easier to substantiate and/or investigate?

[n david]

n david
I am not making this about race. I am saying that had these silly women really been raped, assaulted, yada yada back then, all they would have had to do is say the word and he would have been done.

That is reality.

Why just today there are three men on Death Row in Ohio where the only witness to there alleged crimes is a 12 year old boy who, "wanted to please the police and his parents" so he decided to lie.

Thank God those guys are going to finally be released! But their lives were RUINED!!!

But they were sentenced and condemned to die based on the lie of a 12 year old!

That is reality of our justice system in 70's and 80's.
The difference between the guys in Ohio and Cosby is Cosby was an American icon. These guys in Ohio were nobodys. Sad, but true. So regardless of the Justice System in the 70s and 80s, Hollywood takes care of their own without respect to any color except green.

I hope the 12 year old was arrested and prosecuted for his lies. Of course, any sentence given could never equal what they had to go through, but it would be something.

And if any of these women are lying, I hope it's revealed and they are dealt with to the fullest extent of criminal and civil law.

Crystal Mangum and Tawana Brawley both falsely accused men of rape and destroyed lives. Mangum suffered no repercussions from her lies. Unfortunately she went from being a liar to now serving time for murder. Brawley was ordered to pay almost $200,000, but ran off and went into hiding until she was found working as a nurse. Haven't seen whether or not she's paid anything since being found again.

[Jermyn Davidson]

The difference between the guys in Ohio and Cosby is Cosby was an American icon. These guys in Ohio were nobodys. Sad, but true. So regardless of the Justice System in the 70s and 80s, Hollywood takes care of their own without respect to any color except green.

I hope the 12 year old was arrested and prosecuted for his lies. Of course, any sentence given could never equal what they had to go through, but it would be something.

And if any of these women are lying, I hope it's revealed and they are dealt with to the fullest extent of criminal and civil law.

Crystal Mangum and Tawana Brawley both falsely accused men of rape and destroyed lives. Mangum suffered no repercussions from her lies. Unfortunately she went from being a liar to now serving time for murder. Brawley was ordered to pay almost $200,000, but ran off and went into hiding until she was found working as a nurse. Haven't seen whether or not she's paid anything since being found again.

Cosby is an American icon.

However, in 1981 he wasn't.

Definitely not in 1971.

"I SPY" was good and all but he wasn't all that and Mr. Pudding Pop until the mid 1980's-- well into the popularity of the show with his namesake.

Anyway.

These silly women and the foolishness of Cosby with these silly women-- that is what we are seeing today.

He was foolish, but not a rapist.

[crakjak]

The media loves to crucify anyone with a conservative belief system. He did a great job with his show, I don't know him, therefore have no business judging him. I will leave that to the accusers and the law.

[Steve Epley]

I have serious doubts about these allegations.

[BrotherEastman]

I'm just curious. I'm not saying that Bill Cosby is guilty or innocent, but why do victims always wait years after the fact???? Doesn't make sense to me.

[BrotherEastman]

I have serious doubts about these allegations.

I'm really inclined to agree with you.

[Steve Epley]

I'm just curious. I'm not saying that Bill Cosby is guilty or innocent, but why do victims always wait years after the fact???? Doesn't make sense to me.

Guy is ready for the grave and now all these allegations? Maybe it happened and the guy is a serial rapist and has gotten by all these years but it smells like money to me?

[n david]

It could be that his comeback TV show and Netflix stand up special caused these allegations to resurface. Other than the occasional interview in which he's said something controversial, Cosby hasn't been a major public figure for the past couple decades.

His resurgence could have caused the wound to be reopened. I can partly understand why the accusations have been quiet til now.

[TGBTG]

It could be that his comeback TV show and Netflix stand up special caused these allegations to resurface. Other than the occasional interview in which he's said something controversial, Cosby hasn't been a major public figure for the past couple decades.

His resurgence could have caused the wound to be reopened. I can partly understand why the accusations have been quiet til now.

A comedian (Hannibal Buress) used the Cosby rape allegation in one his acts recently and it went viral. That's how everything resurfaced.

According to the comedian, he has used the Cosby situation numerous times in his previous acts, but for whatever reason, it went viral this time around.

Blame youtube...lol

[TGBTG]

"This is the first time that's happened, and it's very weird," Buress said when Stern asked him how he felt about making headlines. "This was unexpected. I didn't want to do that. If I were going to do that, I would have done it on my own. It wasn't my intention to make this part of a big discussion. It was just something I was doing at that venue right then."


Buress told Stern he had been doing his Cosby riff "on and off for about six months." He expressed bewilderment that it was his Cosby bit that caught fire and not his other humor. "That's the first time that happened when people put something out. Nobody's putting out the bit about me [going to the bathroom] on an airplane. Nobody cares about my edgy TSA material."

Buress is not the first young comic to take a swipe at the legendary entertainer. Eddie Murphy famously lampooned Cosby in his 1987 concert film, "Raw," recounting how Cosby called and chastised him for using foul language in his act. Murphy said he felt insulted and dismissed Cosby with a few coarse words

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/la-et-st-hannibal-buress-20141124-story.html#page=1

[n david]

Read a piece which gives a detailed timeline of accusations. The victims haven't been silent, rather, they've been ignored.

November 2002

Andrea Constand, director of operations for the Temple University women’s basketball team, meets Cosby. They become friends, and Constand claims that she sees Cosby, a Temple grad, as a mentor.

January 2004

According to court documents, Constand says that she was invited to Cosby’s home to discuss his possibly helping her with a career change. During the discussion, Constand says, she felt “stressed” and that Cosby offered her three blue pills to help her relax. In the documents, Constand claims that her knees became weak and she began to feel dizzy and sick. After helping her to the couch, Cosby allegedly “touched her breasts and vaginal area, rubbed his penis against her hand, and digitally penetrated” her.

January 2005

A year later, Constand reports to police what she claims happened in Cosby’s home.

February 2005

Tamara Green, in support of Constand, comes forward. Green claims that Cosby assaulted her in the 1970s shortly after she met him for lunch at a restaurant. Green, who claims that she was sick at the time, was given some pills by Cosby that made her exhausted. Cosby took Green home and, according to her, volunteered to undress her and put her to bed. A struggle ensued, and Green says that when she woke up, she found that Cosby had left two $100 bills on her nightstand.

When asked by Newsweek why she didn’t come forward sooner, Green said, “It never works out, unless you’re bleeding and there’s DNA and an eyewitness. I was 19 and he was the king of the world, so how was it going to work? I was a teenager. Nobody would’ve believed me.”

Later, the district attorney investigating Constand’s case decides not to bring criminal charges against Cosby, claiming a lack of evidence.

March 2005

Constand files a civil suit in a Pennsylvania court against Cosby. The case—in which she seeks $150,000 in damages—charges Cosby with battery and assault. Along with Constand, 13 other women with similar stories are mentioned in court documents as “Jane Doe” witnesses.

June 2005

Beth Ferrer, one of the Jane Doe witnesses, says that she had an affair with Cosby during the 1980s but that he drugged and assaulted her when the relationship ended.

“I woke up and I was in the back of my car all alone,” she says. “My clothes were a mess. My bra was undone. My top was untucked. And I’m sitting there going, ‘Oh, my God. Where am I?’ What’s going on? I was so out of it. It was just awful.”

February 2006

Constand sues one of Cosby’s attorneys and the National Enquirer for defamation, claiming that an interview Cosby did implied that Constand’s efforts were about extorting money from him.

November 2006

Cosby ends up settling the case with Constand for an undisclosed amount. None of the women brought on as Jane Does ends up testifying.

Another of the Jane Does, aspiring actress and model Barbara Bowman, comes forward with her story. Bowman claims that at 17 she was also taken under Cosby’s wing. Bowman says that Cosby became like a father figure to her, convincing her that he loved and cared for her. The abuse didn’t start, she says, until she turned 18. After that, Bowman says, the assaults happened several times on out-of-town trips.

“I was assaulted a number of times from age 18 to 19. Cosby would warn me before out-of-town trips, ‘You aren’t going to fight me this time, are you?’” Bowman recounted to Newsweek earlier this year.

February 2014

Shortly after several stories come to light about Woody Allen’s sexual history, Gawker publishes “Who Wants to Remember Bill Cosby’s Multiple Sex-Assault Allegations?” The story reignites interest in the case of Constand and the 13 women who joined her civil suit.

Source Link (http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/11/bill_cosby_timeline_of_sexual_assault_accusations. html)

[n david]

From the op-ed piece written by a victim:

I didn’t stay entirely quiet, though: I’ve been telling my story publicly for nearly 10 years. When Constand brought her lawsuit, I found renewed confidence. I was determined to not be silent any more. In 2006, I was interviewed by Robert Huber for Philadelphia Magazine, and Alycia Lane for KYW-TV news in Philadelphia. A reporter wrote about my experience in the December 2006 issue of People Magazine. And last February, Katie Baker interviewed me for Newsweek. Bloggers and columnists wrote about that story for several months after it was published. Still, my complaint didn’t seem to take hold.

Only after a man, Hannibal Buress, called Bill Cosby a rapist in a comedy act last month did the public outcry begin in earnest. The original video of Buress’s performance went viral.

Source Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/11/13/bill-cosby-raped-me-why-did-it-take-30-years-for-people-to-believe-my-story/)

[aegsm76]

Guilty of what?

Cheating on his wife?
I believe so.

RAPE?
I don't think so!

These women accusers served their purposes in his youth and now they want to collect in his old age.

It's the folly of foolishness!


Again, where are the police reports?

And the only reason you think he is guilty is because you have been listening to the conservative talk show outlets.

If the other outlets were making as much noise about this and the conservative talking heads decided that more should be done to substantiate the accusations, you would be saying the same thing.

But no, it appears that the conservative talking heads have decided to crucify Bill Cosby, and it is sad.

JD, wrong again!!! (Just had to say that).
Why would you assume I listen to conservative radio for my opinions?
Now that is ridiculous.
I really don't have much time to listen to the radio and I have not heard any comment on his alleged guilt or innocence.
Just from the news articles and his reaction to questions leads me to believe that he is guilty of rape.

Now seriously, YOU have made an allegation that is untrue, without me even attacking YOU.
I expected better of you...

[aegsm76]

Hey JD!
Rush Limbaugh defends Cosby

http://www.inquisitr.com/1610704/rush-limbaugh-defends-bill-cosby/

[aegsm76]

Hey JD, didn't know Jon Stewart was Conservative.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jon-stewart-slams-bill-cosby

[aegsm76]

JD, didn't know Bill Maher was conservative either.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/23/bill-maher-roasts-creep-bill-cosby-pull-up-your-pa/

[aegsm76]

JD, a quick google search makes it appear that more liberals believe that the Cos is guilty than conservatives.
Your response to my opinion is very telling.
You don't want to look at the reality, you have your mind made up and never mind the facts.
Typical.

[n david]

JD, a quick google search makes it appear that more liberals believe that the Cos is guilty than conservatives.
Your response to my opinion is very telling.
You don't want to look at the reality, you have your mind made up and never mind the facts.
Typical.
Yeah, I asked a couple times for proof of his claim and he never gave it. He's becoming more like Light and DedicatedMind....throws out claims of which there's no proof. I think he's been watching too much MSNBC.

[Reader]

Guy is ready for the grave and now all these allegations? Maybe it happened and the guy is a serial rapist and has gotten by all these years but it smells like money to me?

Why do you believe it is all about money when all these women are NOT filing lawsuits? Are you just assuming they all are?

I get it that people do lie and try to extort money from some. I get it that some people are falsely accused.

Yet reactions like yours and some others (why don't they report it?) show why, in part, people DO get away with sexual assaults. Some are afraid to report because people won't believe them and will claim, as you have, that they are out for money.

Look at the ministers who have been caught molesting children or women for years. Take Jordan Young in Junction City, Kansas, for example, as I know you are aware of that situation. For years he molested under age boys from the church and wasn't reported. Does that mean those boys were not assaulted? When they did report, would that mean they were all out for money?

I think it would help some here to spend a little time and look into why people are hesitant to report sexual assaults. Perhaps you wouldn't be so quick to look negatively at those who do dare to come forward.

[Praxeas]

Why do you believe it is all about money when all these women are NOT filing lawsuits? Are you just assuming they all are?

I get it that people do lie and try to extort money from some. I get it that some people are falsely accused.

Yet reactions like yours and some others (why don't they report it?) show why, in part, people DO get away with sexual assaults. Some are afraid to report because people won't believe them and will claim, as you have, that they are out for money.

Look at the ministers who have been caught molesting children or women for years. Take Jordan Young in Junction City, Kansas, for example, as I know you are aware of that situation. For years he molested under age boys from the church and wasn't reported. Does that mean those boys were not assaulted? When they did report, would that mean they were all out for money?

I think it would help some here to spend a little time and look into why people are hesitant to report sexual assaults. Perhaps you wouldn't be so quick to look negatively at those who do dare to come forward.
Im not saying I agree with Bro Epley but let me add "YET"...

None of those women are suing for money YET...well one did.

It could be about money. It could be about publicity

Personally I just have no idea

[Jermyn Davidson]

JD, a quick google search makes it appear that more liberals believe that the Cos is guilty than conservatives.
Your response to my opinion is very telling.
You don't want to look at the reality, you have your mind made up and never mind the facts.
Typical.

I do have my mind made up based on the facts as we know them now.

The stuff he is being accused of doesn't come up to rape.

He used the women, but he didn't rape them.

As far as stating that you got your opinions from conservatives, well it isn't a stretch for me to believe that AND the conservative talk show hosts I heard recently were accusing Cosby of rape as well.

Still, I assumed you were listening to them too. I apologize for assuming that you listen to conservatives.

[Jermyn Davidson]

JD, wrong again!!! (Just had to say that).
Why would you assume I listen to conservative radio for my opinions?
Now that is ridiculous.
I really don't have much time to listen to the radio and I have not heard any comment on his alleged guilt or innocence.
Just from the news articles and his reaction to questions leads me to believe that he is guilty of rape.

Now seriously, YOU have made an allegation that is untrue, without me even attacking YOU.
I expected better of you...

I never mentioned radio but I just don't see you as the MSNBC type.

So I guess you are telling me you are the MSNBC type.

Since when is thinking that you listen to conservatives for your news is an attack on you?

[Jermyn Davidson]

If these women had truly been raped, he wouldn't have been able to patch over the rape with money.

Where are the police reports?

Where are the rape kits?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Yeah, I asked a couple times for proof of his claim and he never gave it. He's becoming more like Light and DedicatedMind....throws out claims of which there's no proof. I think he's been watching too much MSNBC.

When did you ask for proof of what?

[n david]

I do have my mind made up based on the facts as we know them now.

The stuff he is being accused of doesn't come up to rape.

He used the women, but he didn't rape them.

As far as stating that you got your opinions from conservatives, well it isn't a stretch for me to believe that AND the conservative talk show hosts I heard recently were accusing Cosby of rape as well.

Still, I assumed you were listening to them too. I apologize for assuming that you listen to conservatives.
Disgusting. So drugging women, then having sex with them isn't rape? Is that really acceptable? You're better than this, JD.

[n david]

If these women had truly been raped, he wouldn't have been able to patch over the rape with money.

Where are the police reports?

Where are the rape kits?
Out of the nearly 20 women who have now accused Cosby of sexually assaulting them, some accuse him of drugging and raping them, only ONE has received payments from him and ONE other has filed a civil suit.

This isn't about the money, else there would be more filing suit. He already settled out of court with one woman, why do that if he's not guilty? He's proven to have lied in the past about an affair, and now he's refusing to say anything about the accusations in interviews. You would think an innocent man would take the opportunity to at least say "I didn't do it."

But Cosby didn't even say that. Why not?

[n david]

When did you ask for proof of what?
I apologize, I made an edit before publishing my posts and turned the question into a statement in two posts. But now that you brought it up, yes, please provide proof of these conservatives which are throwing stones at Cosby.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Disgusting. So drugging women, then having sex with them isn't rape? Is that really acceptable? You're better than this, JD.

I never said it was acceptable.

When they came through, I wonder if they ever told him to stop?

Some of these accusations just seem like they're coming from soured groupies, deflowered long before ever coming across a womanizer like Cosby allegedly was in his youth.

[Reader]

Out of the nearly 20 women who have now accused Cosby of sexually assaulting them, some accuse him of drugging and raping them, only ONE has received payments from him and ONE other has filed a civil suit.

I believe he is speaking about one of the latest reports, this time from a former NBC employee who worked with Cosby. He's around 90 years old. Probably in it for the money, too. (insert sarcasm)

He claims to have paid thousands of dollars in money orders to women from Cosby and says he still has the receipts. One for an odd amount of money is shown in a news clip with the name partially hidden.

[Reader]

Some of these accusations just seem like they're coming from soured groupies, deflowered long before ever coming across a womanizer like Cosby allegedly was in his youth.

So is it permissible to sexually molest people if they were previously "deflowered"? Stop and think about this. What women want to be pulled through the mud by lawyers, reporters and some of the public simply because they are a "soured groupie" and trying to harm Cosby's rep?

His "youth"? Some accusations are from years back and some from the 2000's. We are not speaking of him being a teenager.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I apologize, I made an edit before publishing my posts and turned the question into a statement in two posts. But now that you brought it up, yes, please provide proof of these conservatives which are throwing stones at Cosby.

I heard Hannity, Mark Levin, ??? Wall I think is his last name and some chick who was filling in for someone one afternoon recently.


Nowadays, it is very rare that I watch MSNBC and even when I did, I only watched it in small doses and just for trying to get another perspective but MSNBC is about as bad as Hannity, just in the opposite direction. If all of the conservative talking heads were like O'Reilly, they'd have more credibility-- but that is a topic for another thread.

[n david]

I never said it was acceptable.

When they came through, I wonder if they ever told him to stop?

Some of these accusations just seem like they're coming from soured groupies, deflowered long before ever coming across a womanizer like Cosby allegedly was in his youth.
OMG! You should stop, man. Seriously.

When they came through? (I believe you meant when they came to, correct)

Sick, man. It doesn't matter if they told him to stop after the fact. HE DRUGGED THEM! He drugged them and then he had non consensual sex with them. They didn't know what he was doing to them.

To suggest that it wasn't rape because just maybe they didn't say no when they woke up out of their drugged stupor is just sick.

Most of the women I read about woke up after he was gone, so they couldn't have said no if they wanted to.

[n david]

I heard Hannity, Adam Levine, ??? Wall I think is his last name and some chick who was filling in for somebody one afternoon recently.

Nowadays, it is very rare that I watch MSNBC and even when I did, I only watched it in small doses and just for trying to get another perspective but MSNBC is about as bad as Hannity, just in the opposite direction. If all of the conservative talking heads were like O'Reilly, they'd have more credibility-- but that is a topic for another thread.
Well, there may be Hannity and others who are attacking Cosby, good for them. There are also links posted here with Limbaugh defending Cosby and both Stewart and Maher attacking Cosby. I've read articles in the Huffington Post and Daily Beast attacking Cosby. Boston Globe and the Atlantic also wrote articles which weren't complementary to Cosby.

IMO, this isn't an issue divided along political aisles. The majority of what I've heard and read are disgusted with the accusations -- and we should be! This isn't a conservative/liberal issue. It's not a race issue. This is a basic moral issue.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Well, there may be Hannity and others who are attacking Cosby, good for them. There are also links posted here with Limbaugh defending Cosby and both Stewart and Maher attacking Cosby. I've read articles in the Huffington Post and Daily Beast attacking Cosby. Boston Globe and the Atlantic also wrote articles which weren't complementary to Cosby.

IMO, this isn't an issue divided along political aisles. The majority of what I've heard and read are disgusted with the accusations -- and we should be! This isn't a conservative/liberal issue. It's not a race issue. This is a basic moral issue.

I never said it was a race issue. I never said it was a conservative issue.

What I did say is that given his race and given the climate of our justice system in the 1970's and 1980's, all any of his accusers would have had to do is just go to the police and Bill Cosby would have been done.

What I did say is that it was interesting that (at the time that I had made the statement) it was conservatives that I was hearing that were coming out against Cosby and giving credence to the unsubstatiated allegations.

[Reader]

I think some who are not even considering that any allegation against Cosby is true or warranted, and who continually ask why there are no police reports, etc., they may be surprised to find women in their own families who have been sexually accosted in some manner and who have never reported it.

Look at it this way & let's make it personal. YOU are drugged by someone and sexually molested in some way. There are no witnesses. There is no proof for you to show anyone. The one who did this is a "name" in some way. How quickly are you going to run to the police? How quickly are you going to try to sue? How quickly are you going to openly speak of it?

[n david]

I never said it was a race issue. I never said it was a conservative issue.

What I did say is that given his race and given the climate of our justice system in the 1970's and 1980's, all any of his accusers would have had to do is just go to the police and Bill Cosby would have been done.
Correct. But given his status at the time, and given that celebrities have always been somewhat protected, I'm not sure anything would have been done...even in that racial climate. Even today, people say the justice system and cops are skewed against blacks, yet look at Jameis Winston and how the Tallahassee police dept protected him during not just the rape accusation, but even the crab legs theft. If you're popular enough, and have powerful friends, you can get away with murder.

What I did say is that it was interesting that (at the time that I had made the statement) it was conservatives that I was hearing that were coming out against Cosby and giving credence to the unsubstatiated allegations.
Well, Republicans always have been on the right side of history. :heeheehee

It's interesting to me that Cosby both settled out of court because of "unsubstatiated allegations," and he didn't even try to say he didn't do anything during the AP interview. Instead, he said, "No, no no. We don't talk about that." And then went on about integrity and how if the host had any, he would "scuttle" any reference to the accusations.

That just doesn't sound like something an innocent man would do.

[Jermyn Davidson]

If I am wrong about anything, I am wrong about assuming that Aegsm gets his news and opinions from conservative outlets.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Correct. But given his status at the time, and given that celebrities have always been somewhat protected, I'm not sure anything would have been done...even in that racial climate. Even today, people say the justice system and cops are skewed against blacks, yet look at Jameis Winston and how the Tallahassee police dept protected him during not just the rape accusation, but even the crab legs theft. If you're popular enough, and have powerful friends, you can get away with murder.




Maybe today, maybe even 1995 (O. J. Simpson), but not 1981 and definitely not 1971. But this is my skewed opinion-- skewed by my own experiences, what I have been told and... what Aegsm and I have heard on liberal news outlets on the few occasions he and I have listened to them. :)

[n david]

If I am wrong about anything, I am wrong about assuming that Aegsm gets his news and opinions from conservative outlets.
Right! :thumbsup

[Jermyn Davidson]

I think some who are not even considering that any allegation against Cosby is true or warranted, and who continually ask why there are no police reports, etc., they may be surprised to find women in their own families who have been sexually accosted in some manner and who have never reported it.

Look at it this way & let's make it personal. YOU are drugged by someone and sexually molested in some way. There are no witnesses. There is no proof for you to show anyone. The one who did this is a "name" in some way. How quickly are you going to run to the police? How quickly are you going to try to sue? How quickly are you going to openly speak of it?

Depends on if I or my female relative said, "No" or "Stop" during any act of "untowardness".

Like I said, these accusations are coming from soured groupies, deflowered long before Cosby ever laid eyes on them.

[Reader]

Depends on if I or my female relative said, "No" or "Stop" during any act of "untowardness".

Wow. So YOU are drugged and whether or not YOU report a sexual assault while YOU are DRUGGED comes down to whether YOU said no or stop.

I sure am glad you are not part of the justice system.

[OnTheFritz]

Wow. So YOU are drugged and whether or not YOU report a sexual assault while YOU are DRUGGED comes down to whether YOU said no or stop.

I sure am glad you are not part of the justice system.

Agree. Ridiculous.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Wow. So YOU are drugged and whether or not YOU report a sexual assault while YOU are DRUGGED comes down to whether YOU said no or stop.

I sure am glad you are not part of the justice system.

That is not what I said.

Agree. Ridiculous.

I agree. What he said is ridiculous.

I am saying that these women reportedly came through while Cosby was allegedly in the middle of doing the alleged deeds. In those moments when these women are getting clarity as to what is going on, they need to say no, stop, scream, SOMETHING not just go along with it and then 30 years later cry rape.

Soured groupies.

[Reader]

That is not what I said.

It sure seems it was exactly what you said. Here was the question:


I think some who are not even considering that any allegation against Cosby is true or warranted, and who continually ask why there are no police reports, etc., they may be surprised to find women in their own families who have been sexually accosted in some manner and who have never reported it.

Look at it this way & let's make it personal. YOU are drugged by someone and sexually molested in some way. There are no witnesses. There is no proof for you to show anyone. The one who did this is a "name" in some way. How quickly are you going to run to the police? How quickly are you going to try to sue? How quickly are you going to openly speak of it?

Here was your response:

Depends on if I or my female relative said, "No" or "Stop" during any act of "untowardness".

Like I said, these accusations are coming from soured groupies, deflowered long before Cosby ever laid eyes on them.

I believe my response sums up what you said:

Wow. So YOU are drugged and whether or not YOU report a sexual assault while YOU are DRUGGED comes down to whether YOU said no or stop.

I sure am glad you are not part of the justice system.

[n david]

I am saying that these women reportedly came through while Cosby was allegedly in the middle of doing the alleged deeds. In those moments when these women are getting clarity as to what is going on, they need to say no, stop, scream, SOMETHING not just go along with it and then 30 years later cry rape.

Soured groupies.
Have you read their statements? They did try to stop him.

This is from that conservative online rag - The Daily Beast. (Link Below)


KRISTINA RUEHLI
Ruehli says Cosby poured her two bourbon-and-7’s and after that, “I just don’t remember much.” She says she “completely passed out,” adding, “He must have drugged me. There is just one point at which I was having a drink and feeling normal and the next I was somehow passed out completely. He must have slipped something into my drink. It's the only way to go lights-out like that.”

When she came to, she alleges that she woke up in his bed and Cosby had his shirt off. “He was attempting to force me into oral sex,” Ruehli told Philadelphia Magazine. “He had his hand on my head. He had his cock out, and he had my head pushed close enough to it — I just remember looking at his stomach hair. And the hair on his chest. I had never seen a black man naked before.”

She added, “And it never went past that. I immediately came to and was immediately very sick. I pushed myself away and ran to the bathroom and threw up. I was feeling really ill. And I never got sick like that from alcohol, at least not that small of an amount. Once I threw up — it was five in the morning by now, I think — I left the bathroom and he wasn't there. I don't know where he went. But I left right away. I was able to drive myself home. I didn't live that far away.”

Ruehli claimed she kept the story to herself because she was “embarrassed,” and only decided to come forward when Constand filed her lawsuit against Cosby, serving as one of her Jane Doe’s. “I don’t need money or aggravation,” she said. “I’m very wealthy, so I have nothing to gain. But I wanted to come forward to tell the truth to back up other people.”

VICTORIA VALENTINO
Valentino told The Post. “He came over to me and sat down on the love seat and opened his fly and grabbed my head and pushed my head down. And then he turned me over. It was like a waking nightmare.” She claims that she put up a fight but couldn’t stop Cosby from raping her, and that the comedian eventually left and told her to call a cab.

LINDA JOY TRAITZ
“He began to get sexually aggressive and wouldn’t take ‘No’ for an answer. I freaked out and demanded to be taken home."

LOUISA MORITZ
She alleges that he entered her dressing room and “implied that he was going to see to it that I will become a major star through his direction,” before he “suddenly approached me and took out his penis, which was now in the line of my face and pressed up against it,” Moritz told TMZ. “He took his hands and put them on the back of my head and forced his penis in my mouth, saying, ‘Have a taste of this. It will do you good in so many ways.’”

“I felt powerless, I didn't know what to do, and the drugs certainly enhanced that. That's what I remember – having sex with him, not wanting to be there, not knowing how to get out of there.”Moritz claims that as Cosby was walked out of her dressing room, he turned around and said, “Now you don’t want to upset me and the plans for your future, do you?”

THERESE SERIGNESE
She says he told her they were Quaaludes, and she “didn’t know what to do, so I just obeyed.”

“My next memory is I felt high; I don't remember what happened in the meantime,” said Serignese. “Then my next memory is being in that vanity room, by that big mirror, and he didn't have any clothes on, and obviously I didn't either by that point. I don't know how they got off. I don't have that memory.”

She claims they were in the middle of having sex. “I was just like bent over, and he was saying all kinds of dirty stuff,” she said. “I felt powerless, I didn't know what to do, and the drugs certainly enhanced that. That's what I remember – having sex with him, not wanting to be there, not knowing how to get out of there.”

TAMARA LUCIER GREEN
Green claimed she was suffering from the flu, so Cosby offered her some Contac—cold medication—and she accepted. He produced two blue pills, which she swallowed. “In about, I don't know, 20 to 30 minutes I felt great and then about 10 minutes after that I was almost literally face down on the table of this restaurant… I was very, very, very stoned,” Green told Today.

Green said that Cosby then escorted her home. “He took me into my apartment and then very helpfully and nicely was prepared to take off my clothes and help me into bed and pet me, and that’s how the actual assault began… The center of my being understood that he had gone from helping me to groping me and kissing me and touching me and handling me and you know, taking off my clothes,” said Green.

She claimed to have told Cosby “that if he didn’t kill me and he tried to rape me, it was going to go very badly,” and that she was “furious” and “throwing things around.” After she put up a fight, she claims that Cosby left two $100 bills on her coffee table and exited her apartment.

JOYCE EMMONS
Emmons says that one night she developed a migraine and Cosby offered her “a white pill” which was “a little strong.” Emmons told TMZ that she swallowed it, lost consciousness, and when she awoke, was naked in bed in Cosby’s hotel room with a friend of his whose advances she’d shot down that same night.

JANICE DICKINSON
Dickinson claims that while they were having dinner in Lake Tahoe, Cosby gave her a glass of red wine and a pill—something she’d requested because she was menstruating and suffering from stomach pains.

“The next morning I woke up, and I wasn't wearing my pajamas, and I remember before I passed out that I had been sexually assaulted by this man,” she told ET. “Before I woke up in the morning, the last thing I remember was Bill Cosby in a patchwork robe, dropping his robe and getting on top of me. And I remember a lot of pain. The next morning I remember waking up with my pajamas off and there was semen in between my legs.”

RENITA CHANEY HILL
she claims that he’d serve her a drink—she was underage—and then things would get fuzzy. “One time, I remember just before I passed out, I remember him kissing and touching me and I remember the taste of his cigar on his breath, and I didn’t like it,” Hill said. “I remember another time when I woke up in my bed the next day and he was leaving, he mentioned 'You should probably lose a little weight.' I thought that odd, how would he know that?”

She added, “I always thought it was odd that after I had this drink I would end up in my bed the next morning and I wouldn’t remember anything.” Hill claims that she can’t remember whether or not Cosby raped her because she wasn’t conscious.

BETH FERRIER
she claims he drugged her backstage before a performance in Denver. “He said, ‘Here’s your favorite coffee, something I made, to relax you,’” Ferrier, 46, told the Daily News. Then, she claims that after she drank the coffee, she felt woozy. She woke up and realized she had no recollection of the past several hours.

“I woke up and I was in the back of my car all alone,” Ferrier said. “My clothes were a mess. My bra was undone. My top was untucked. And I'm sitting there going, ‘Oh my God. Where am I?’ What's going on? I was so out of it. It was just awful.”

She then claimed that security guards approached her car saying Cosby told them to escort her home.

BARBARA BOWMAN
I was staying in a separate bedroom of Cosby’s hotel suite, but he pinned me down in his own bed while I screamed for help. I’ll never forget the clinking of his belt buckle as he struggled to pull his pants off. I furiously tried to wrestle from his grasp until he eventually gave up, angrily called me ‘a baby’ and sent me home to Denver.”

Bowman claims that she told both her agent and an attorney about the incident, but her allegations fell on deaf ears.

ANDREA CONSTAND
Cosby gave Constand three blue pills, saying they were an herbal remedy, and then, after she felt woozy, Cosby “rubbed the woman’s breasts and genital areas and ‘digitally penetrated’ her, meaning with his finger.”

Constand would settle her civil suit against Cosby out of court; the terms of the settlement were not disclosed.

The prosecutor in her original case, Bruce Castor, recently told NBC10 in Philadelphia that he didn’t charge Cosby with sexual assault even though he thought Cosby “did it” because “thinking that and being able to prove it are two different things.”


Source Link (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/11/24/bill-cosby-s-long-list-of-accusers-so-far-17-alleged-sexual-assault-victims-between-1965-2004.html)

[Reader]

JD apparently doesn't wish to hear any of that, David. They are nothing more than "soured groupies" who had previously been "deflowered" before Cosby got to them.

[n david]

I am saying that these women reportedly came through while Cosby was allegedly in the middle of doing the alleged deeds. In those moments when these women are getting clarity as to what is going on, they need to say no, stop, scream, SOMETHING not just go along with it and then 30 years later cry rape.

Soured groupies.
Have you ever been drugged? I'm assuming you've probably never been given the 2 to 3 pills these women were given, so stop trying to act like they should have been *able to jump up and run out of the room.

Good grief. I stopped posting yesterday because I was getting upset with this nonsense. I'm still upset, and if I get blunt, I'm sorry.

This is disgusting, it really is. For you to claim that because most were in a drugged stupor and because they didn't or weren't able to stop it, they just went "along with it?" What about the thousands of women who are raped and too afraid to fight back or say anything? Guess they weren't really raped, huh?

You can read the post above where several did scream and fight back. Kind of hard to do so when 1) they were drugged and 2) they were afraid.

It's very interesting that one of his comedic bits from back during that time was about him finding out about spanish fly and wanting to try drugging women for sex after learning about it.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Have you read their statements? They did try to stop him.

This is from that conservative online rag - The Daily Beast. (Link Below)


























Source Link (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/11/24/bill-cosby-s-long-list-of-accusers-so-far-17-alleged-sexual-assault-victims-between-1965-2004.html)



(1) From Kristina Ruehli's own words, she was coherent enough to report what had happened to law enforcement, had she thought that what she endured amounted to rape or assault.

It is not Cosby's fault that she had too much pride to report what happened.

Makes me think that there is more to the story.


(2) Victoria Valentino says she put up a fight, meaning she was aware. So I ask the question, how does one force another one to perform oral sex on them? If she was fighting, she could have just bit him. And then, not concerned about the legal ramifications of RAPING someone, Cosby told his victim to call a cab when they were done. Of course she had the nerve to fight as this was happening but not the nerve to call the cops afterwards. This story reads as preposterous as it sounds.


(3) Linda Joy Traitz' account seems like a really bad date that didn't get bad enough for any crimninal charges to be pressed. She said no and nothing happened.


(4) Louisa Moritz didn't go to the police because she was more concerned about her plans for the future than her own dignity. Had a true crime happened, she should have went to the police. Again, someone tell me-- HOW DO YOU FORCE TO ADULTS TO ENGAGE IN ORAL SEX? I guess she just didn't have her teeth in at the time.


(5) Therese Serignese took Quaaludes from Cosby because she didn't know what else to do. Dumb. She never states that he told Cosby no or to stop once she became aware of what was going on. No rape happened here either.


(6) Did what happen to Tamara Green equate to a crime? She said no and things did not progress-- IMAGINE THAT!


(7) What is Cosby's crime with Joyce Emmons? What did Cosby do?


(8) Janice Dickinson-- did Cosby rape her or not? If she wasn't raped then, don't describe it in a way to implicate rape now when you didn't think enough to go to the police and call rape then. She's climbing on the Cosby is a bad man band wagon.


(9) At least Renita Chaney Hill's story appears to be an account of what happened without implicating rape while clearly stating she doesn't know what happened because she was drugged. Still her own testimony implies that she had multiple experiences with Cosby. If she really thought he was raping her, why continue to spend more time with him? Why not just go to the police? I say because she was willing to get all that she could get out of sleeping with a Hollywood celebrity.


(10) What happened to Beth Ferrier is shameful, but is it a crime? Where is the proof? Why didn't she report this back then, if she really thought she was raped or assaulted or whatever? Again, star power. A soured groupie.


(11) Barbara Bowman has enough gumption to tell an attorney about her assault, but not the cops? Whatever! A soured groupie with a conscience!


(12) Andrea Constand is talking but she settled-- that should have been the end of the allegations. Why bring it up again? Cosby wasn't a kind man with the ladies in his youth-- but does what he did or is alleged to do come up to rape?

She settled because the answer was probably no. Notice she went the civil suit route and not the criminal route. Notice she settled for cash for the alleged violation of her person.


ALL of these allegations get a big "WHATEVER" for me and I don't believe Cosby is a rapist.

These are a bunch of soured groupies!

[Jermyn Davidson]

The dumbest one of these stories is the decision to, take [drugs] "because I didn't know what else to do."

What a load of mularkey!

[n david]

I'm done. I'm going to post something I'll regret.

Your posts are sick and distgusting, JD.

BTW, read the post on Constand again..."The prosecutor in her original case, Bruce Castor, recently told NBC10 in Philadelphia that he didn’t charge Cosby with sexual assault even though he thought Cosby “did it” because “thinking that and being able to prove it are two different things.”

She went the civil route because the Prosecutor chose not to press charges! Not her. The Prosecutor decided not to.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I'm done. I'm going to post something I'll regret.

Your posts are sick and distgusting, JD.

BTW, read the post on Constand again..."The prosecutor in her original case, Bruce Castor, recently told NBC10 in Philadelphia that he didn’t charge Cosby with sexual assault even though he thought Cosby “did it” because “thinking that and being able to prove it are two different things.”

She went the civil route because the Prosecutor chose not to press charges! Not her. The Prosecutor decided not to.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

I am as compassionate as the next person when it comes to someone actually being violated or raped.

I just don't think that, from their own words, I don't think any of these women were actually raped.

Why should I feel sorry for people who get caught up in living the fast life and then come to their defense automatically without thought of their own decisions that put them in these unfortunate situations in the first place? These ladies are not Sunday School teachers and NONE OF THEM went to the police!

NOT ONE!

A bunch of soured groupies-- that's what they are.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I'm done. I'm going to post something I'll regret.

Your posts are sick and distgusting, JD.

BTW, read the post on Constand again..."The prosecutor in her original case, Bruce Castor, recently told NBC10 in Philadelphia that he didn’t charge Cosby with sexual assault even though he thought Cosby “did it” because “thinking that and being able to prove it are two different things.”

She went the civil route because the Prosecutor chose not to press charges! Not her. The Prosecutor decided not to.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

I wish you were able to refute my posts in a way that was calm.

I do understand though and I appreciate you.

I wish there was a lady on here that understands where I am coming from. I know I am not off base.

[Reader]

Your posts are sick and disgusting, JD.

Agreed. I will also not spend anymore time trying to converse with someone whose mind is made up that it is okay to assault women if they have (in his mind) been previously "deflowered" and are (in his mind) "sour groupies". God help anyone in his family who is ever molested and they don't run straight to the police and also scream 'no! stop!' when they are drugged and assaulted.

[Reader]

Partial quote:

With public revulsion rising in response to snowballing accusations that Bill Cosby victimized women in serial fashion throughout his trailblazing career, the response from those in the know has been: What took so long?

What took so long is that those in the know kept it mostly to themselves. No one wanted to disturb the Natural Order of Things, which was that Mr. Cosby was beloved; that he was as generous and paternal as his public image; and that his approach to life and work represented a bracing corrective to the coarse, self-defeating urban black ethos.

Only the first of those things was actually true.

Those in the know included Mark Whitaker, who did not find room in his almost-500-page biography, “Cosby: His Life and Times,” to address the accusations that Mr. Cosby had assaulted numerous women, at least four of whom had spoken on the record and by name in the past about what they say Mr. Cosby did to them.

Those in the know also included Ta-Nehisi Coates, who elided the charges in a long and seemingly comprehensive article about Mr. Cosby in The Atlantic in 2008.

Those in the know included Kelefa T. Sanneh, who wrote a major profile in The New Yorker this past September and who treated the accusations as an afterthought, referring to them quickly near the end of the piece.

And those in the know also included me. In 2011, I did a Q. and A. with Mr. Cosby for Hemispheres magazine, the in-flight magazine of United Airlines, and never found the space or the time to ask him why so many women had accused him of drugging and then assaulting them.

We all have our excuses, but in ignoring these claims, we let down the women who were brave enough to speak out publicly against a powerful entertainer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/25/business/media/calling-out-bill-cosbys-media-enablers-including-myself.html

[Reader]

David, there is now added to the list of women openly talking: Donna Motsinger

A woman who claims she was one of the 12 “Jane Does” to testify against Bill Cosby in a 2005 civil rape case came forward Tuesday for the first time in an interview with The Post.

Donna Motsinger, 73, known as Jane Doe No. 8 in the suit filed by former Temple University athletics director Andrea Constand, said she’s now speaking up about being drugged and raped 43 years ago because she feels like a “coward” for not sharing her story.

“I feel guilty not telling my story,” Motsinger said from her home in Taos, NM. “I’m a coward over here. Those women are brave. It’s the least I can do. I want to tell people so [the victims] can’t be bullied, so they can’t be discredited.”

Constand settled out of court in 2006.

Motsinger said Cosby drugged and raped her in 1971 when she worked as a waitress at a jazz club in Sausalito, Calif. Cosby’s rep did not return a request for comment.

http://pagesix.com/2014/11/26/woman-in-civil-rape-suit-against-cosby-comes-foward/

[Reader]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAorIG6MZnc

Spanish Fly clip

[Jermyn Davidson]

(1) From Kristina Ruehli's own words, she was coherent enough to report what had happened to law enforcement, had she thought that what she endured amounted to rape or assault.

It is not Cosby's fault that she had too much pride to report what happened.

Makes me think that there is more to the story.


(2) Victoria Valentino says she put up a fight, meaning she was aware. So I ask the question, how does one force another one to perform oral sex on them? If she was fighting, she could have just bit him. And then, not concerned about the legal ramifications of RAPING someone, Cosby told his victim to call a cab when they were done. Of course she had the nerve to fight as this was happening but not the nerve to call the cops afterwards. This story reads as preposterous as it sounds.


(3) Linda Joy Traitz' account seems like a really bad date that didn't get bad enough for any crimninal charges to be pressed. She said no and nothing happened.


(4) Louisa Moritz didn't go to the police because she was more concerned about her plans for the future than her own dignity. Had a true crime happened, she should have went to the police. Again, someone tell me-- HOW DO YOU FORCE TO ADULTS TO ENGAGE IN ORAL SEX? I guess she just didn't have her teeth in at the time.


(5) Therese Serignese took Quaaludes from Cosby because she didn't know what else to do. Dumb. She never states that he told Cosby no or to stop once she became aware of what was going on. No rape happened here either.


(6) Did what happen to Tamara Green equate to a crime? She said no and things did not progress-- IMAGINE THAT!


(7) What is Cosby's crime with Joyce Emmons? What did Cosby do?


(8) Janice Dickinson-- did Cosby rape her or not? If she wasn't raped then, don't describe it in a way to implicate rape now when you didn't think enough to go to the police and call rape then. She's climbing on the Cosby is a bad man band wagon.


(9) At least Renita Chaney Hill's story appears to be an account of what happened without implicating rape while clearly stating she doesn't know what happened because she was drugged. Still her own testimony implies that she had multiple experiences with Cosby. If she really thought he was raping her, why continue to spend more time with him? Why not just go to the police? I say because she was willing to get all that she could get out of sleeping with a Hollywood celebrity.


(10) What happened to Beth Ferrier is shameful, but is it a crime? Where is the proof? Why didn't she report this back then, if she really thought she was raped or assaulted or whatever? Again, star power. A soured groupie.


(11) Barbara Bowman has enough gumption to tell an attorney about her assault, but not the cops? Whatever! A soured groupie with a conscience!


(12) Andrea Constand is talking but she settled-- that should have been the end of the allegations. Why bring it up again? Cosby wasn't a kind man with the ladies in his youth-- but does what he did or is alleged to do come up to rape?

She settled because the answer was probably no. Notice she went the civil suit route and not the criminal route. Notice she settled for cash for the alleged violation of her person.


ALL of these allegations get a big "WHATEVER" for me and I don't believe Cosby is a rapist.

These are a bunch of soured groupies!

bump

[n david]

Boston Globe: UMass Amherst cuts ties with Bill Cosby

The University of Massachusetts Amherst severed its ties Wednesday to alumnus Bill Cosby, joining a growing number of colleges to distance themselves from the entertainer amid accusations he sexually assaulted more than a dozen women.

Cosby, who received a master’s and a doctorate in education from the college, was an honorary co-chairman of the school’s ongoing $300 million fund-raising campaign. He and his wife, Camille, donated several hundred thousand dollars to the school, and the comedian was frequently cited in the past as one of the university’s most notable alumni.

Just a day earlier, the state’s flagship college had said Cosby was remaining in the honorary post. But Wednesday, UMass officials asked Cosby to step down from the capital campaign, and Cosby agreed to do so, according to university spokesman Edward Blaguszewski.

“Although Mr. Cosby has not been criminally charged nor convicted for these actions, the UMass community has discretion to determine who should be the ‘face’ of the university at any time,” Coakley wrote in the letter, which was also sent to UMass system president Robert Caret and Henry Thomas, chairman of the system’s board.

“I believe the volume and disturbing nature of these allegations has reached a point where Mr. Cosby should no longer have a formal role at UMass, nor be involved in its fund-raising efforts, unless or until Mr. Cosby is able to satisfactorily respond to these allegations,” she added.

Note to Coakley: Cosby doesn't talk about that stuff. Remember the AP interview, "No, no, no. We don't talk about that."

Apparently UMass Amherst doesn't understand these women are lying, previously deflowered, soured groupies.

Source Link (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/11/26/coakley-urges-umass-amherst-cut-ties-bill-cosby/BuR0zHe2yBW65hHIWTUmJO/story.html)

[Reader]

One of Bill Cosby's alma maters cut all ties with him on the same day it was revealed that Cosby struck a 2005 deal with the National Enquirer to stop it from publishing a rape accuser's story.

The University of Massachusetts Amherst -- where Cosby received his masters and doctorate in education -- announced Cosby agreed to step down Wednesday as co-chairman of the school's fundraising campaign. A UMass rep said he now has zero connection with the university.

Late Wednesday ... previously sealed court docs were released from Cosby's molestation case involving a staffer at his other alma mater, Temple University. The docs include Cosby's sworn deposition, during which he said he agreed to give the National Enquirer an exclusive interview -- and in exchange it killed a story about a rape accuser named Beth Ferrier.

In the depo, Cosby said he was afraid Ferrier's story would bolster the extremely similar accusations being made by the Temple staffer, Andrea Constand.

Cosby reached a confidential settlement with Constand in 2006.

http://www.tmz.com/2014/11/28/bill-cosby-colleges-cut-ties-umass-amherst-rape-allegations-national-enquirer-deal/

[Reader]

In a statement, Singer decried accusers who "have come forward in the past two weeks with unsubstantiated, fantastical stories about things they say occurred 30, 40, or even 50 years ago." But time and a lack of physical evidence aren't necessarily insurmountable obstacles in New York, says Wilson.

"Even if the ladies had come forward the next day, they wouldn't [necessarily] have any better physical evidence than they do right now," explains Wilson, who says that some drugs used in cases of date rape "wash out of your system and leave no trace." A highly motivated prosecutor could decide that taking Cosby to court was still worth it – despite the high hurdles.

.....What if the women had thoroughly reported the incidents at the time? The court battle would still likely have been long and costly. "Even if [the alleged victims] had asked for a rape kit," says Wilson. "It could still turn into the classic he-said, she-said situation."

http://www.people.com/article/bill-cosby-face-rape-charges-sexual-assault

[Reader]

From Cosby's own website:

Joint statement from Dolores Troiani, counsel to Andrea Constand, and John P. Schmitt, counsel to Bill Cosby.

The statement released by Mr. Cosby’s attorney over the weekend was not intended to refer in any way to Andrea Constand. As previously reported, differences between Mr. Cosby and Ms. Constand were resolved to the mutual satisfaction of Mr. Cosby and Ms. Constand years ago. Neither Mr. Cosby nor Ms. Constand intends to comment further on the matter.

http://billcosby.com/

[Jermyn Davidson]

http://www.people.com/article/bill-cosby-face-rape-charges-sexual-assault

This goes back to my reference to our justice system in 1971 and 1981.

Had Cosby been accused of this stuff back then, we wouldn't know who he is today.

And besides if it was PROHIBITIVELY DIFFICULT to prove rape, then how does ANYONE ever get convicted of rape?


The accusers who DECIDED to go to lawyers INSTEAD OF THE POLICE with their allegations get no pity from me.

[Jermyn Davidson]

WHERE is the INPUT from women!?

[Jermyn Davidson]

These Sunday School Teachers who went to lawyers instead of the police were never truly RAPED from the begining. Their intents are reflected in their actions.

[Reader]

Excerpts from http://deadspin.com/the-former-basketball-player-who-brought-down-bill-cosb-1661203971

(re Constand)

When Plaintiff advised Defendant she did not feel well, Defendant led Plaintiff to a sofa, because she could not walk on her own, where he laid her down, under the guise of "helping" her.

Subsequently, Defendant positioned himself behind Plaintiff on the sofa, touched her breasts and vaginal area, rubbed his penis against her hand, and digitally penetrated her.

Plaintiff remained in a semi-conscious state throughout the time of this ordeal.

At no time was Plaintiff capable of consent after the pills affected her, and at no time did she consent to Defendant's acts.

.... This wasn't the first police report to mention Cosby. In 2000, actress Lachele Covington filed a police report saying Cosby had inappropriately touched her after dinner alone in his townhouse. It wasn't long before this new report started getting press, and Cosby's team went on the offensive.

Just three days after she went to the police, the calls began. Either Cosby or one of his representatives would phone up Constand or her mother, always offering either an apology or money, she would later tell the court. There were at least four calls, according to Constand, and among the Cosby reps was lawyer Martin Singer, known in Hollywood as one of the go-to pit bulls for celebrities in need of getting a scandal quashed and a master of the nasty letter. Constand said she didn't accept anything. Cosby himself confirmed this, telling Cheltenham police that neither woman asked him for money, "but had only asked him to apologize to Plaintiff and her mother, which he did," according to one filing.

That's not what Cosby's team told reporters, though.....

At this point, a third woman was about to go public, this time via the National Enquirer, with accusations that the funnyman had drugged and raped her. Beth Ferrier had reached out to the Enquirer, and the publication had gone so far as to have her take a lie detector test. Ferrier passed "with flying colors," the story's reporter would later tell the Daily Beast.

... Ferrier did tell her story—to People magazine in 2006. In a recent interview with the magazine, when asked to describe the backlash after speaking out, she said, "I lost everything."

....Meanwhile, the number of Jane Does grew to 12. Constand's lawyers said they found the names of two more women when going through a police file.

...In her legal team's response to Cosby, Constand talked about her life since her identity had become public: reporters surrounding her house, her name plastered across TVs and newspapers, unwanted phone calls to her home, people who claimed they were journalists trying to get inside her home by faking flower deliveries. All the while Cosby, toured the country, cracked jokes, and lectured America about its morals and baggy pants.

There is also a legal court document included in this article.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Good for the ones who actually filed a police report, but even with the police reports, no rape or assault charges.

Is rape really that difficult to prove?

If the person says no to sex but sex happens anyway, then there is rape.

Even with police reports filed, not even an assault charge filed!

Isn't that SUSPICIOUS to anyone else?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Police report without charges means the police believed no crime really happened.

What would lead the police to come to that conclusion?

[Reader]

Reading comprehension problems alert......false statements alert......

[Jermyn Davidson]

Reading comprehension problems alert......false statements alert......

Okie dokie.

[Reader]

The FACT: On Feb. 17, 2005, one week after the airing of Green's interview, then- Montgomery County District Attorney Bruce Castor said no charges would be filed in Constand's case due to insufficient evidence. Years later, Castor would say: "At the time I remember thinking that he probably did do something inappropriate, but thinking that and being able to prove it are two different things. .... Constand said she didn't accept anything. Cosby himself confirmed this, telling Cheltenham police that neither woman asked him for money,"

The reading comprehension statement here: She settled because the answer was probably no. Notice she went the civil suit route and not the criminal route. Notice she settled for cash for the alleged violation of her person. & False Statement quote: Police report without charges means the police believed no crime really happened.

The false statement here "These ladies are not Sunday School teachers and NONE OF THEM went to the police!"

The FACTS: Re Constand "Just three days after she went to the police, the calls began." Re another: "This wasn't the first police report to mention Cosby. In 2000, actress Lachele Covington filed a police report saying Cosby had inappropriately touched her after dinner alone in his townhouse." Re two others: "Constand's lawyers said they found the names of two more women when going through a police file."

[Jermyn Davidson]

Thank you.

[Jermyn Davidson]

The lady who settled with him for money went to the police. She was turned down by the police because there wasn't enough evidence that a crime had taken place.

This is what I am saying.

Bad behavior doesn't necessarily equate to criminal offenses.

Might as well go for the cash!

[Reader]

Nothing that is shown you will change your already set mind. You don't even bother reading the material linked to, that shows the why as well as excerpts from court documents.

When you are shown what you post is wrong, you just say something else against the allegations. I think that even if Bill himself were to personally admit to you all of the allegations, you would come up with some other excuse and something else that isn't true.

You by no means said that there wasn't enough evidence and that isn't why they never pursued. You flat out stated the police didn't believe a crime had been committed as to why charges were not filed. I showed you where the DA did NOT at all concur with your statement.

If you would even take a few minutes to read the one detailed article, which you obviously did not do before responding, perhaps you would see that in the beginning Constand did NOT seek money. Cosby admitted such. She only filed after the DA did not pursue the case further and after Cosby and his lawyers were spreading LIES about her and releasing personal info about her and her family. His camp went on a nasty campaign against her and others and his lawyer continues today with the nonsense. On this case, Cosby HIMSELF says, on his personal website, "As previously reported, differences between Mr. Cosby and Ms. Constand were resolved to the mutual satisfaction of Mr. Cosby and Ms. Constand years ago."

I am a woman, BTW. I find your attitude to be repulsive. I find your spouting off lies about the situation to be reprehensible. I find your continually having to mouth off and attack these women with your words to be absolutely disgusting. As I stated before, thank God you are not part of the justice system.

Why aren't more women posting on this thread? Look at yourself in the mirror and you will see the reason.

[Barb]

Police report without charges means the police believed no crime really happened.

What would lead the police to come to that conclusion?

No...it only means they couldn't PROVE it happened. Not being able to PROVE something happened is NOT the same as believing or not believing a crime was committed.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Nothing that is shown you will change your already set mind. You don't even bother reading the material linked to, that shows the why as well as excerpts from court documents.

When you are shown what you post is wrong, you just say something else against the allegations. I think that even if Bill himself were to personally admit to you all of the allegations, you would come up with some other excuse and something else that isn't true.

You by no means said that there wasn't enough evidence and that isn't why they never pursued. You flat out stated the police didn't believe a crime had been committed as to why charges were not filed. I showed you where the DA did NOT at all concur with your statement.

If you would even take a few minutes to read the one detailed article, which you obviously did not do before responding, perhaps you would see that in the beginning Constand did NOT seek money. Cosby admitted such. She only filed after the DA did not pursue the case further and after Cosby and his lawyers were spreading LIES about her and releasing personal info about her and her family. His camp went on a nasty campaign against her and others and his lawyer continues today with the nonsense. On this case, Cosby HIMSELF says, on his personal website, "As previously reported, differences between Mr. Cosby and Ms. Constand were resolved to the mutual satisfaction of Mr. Cosby and Ms. Constand years ago."

I am a woman, BTW. I find your attitude to be repulsive. I find your spouting off lies about the situation to be reprehensible. I find your continually having to mouth off and attack these women with your words to be absolutely disgusting. As I stated before, thank God you are not part of the justice system.

Why aren't more women posting on this thread? Look at yourself in the mirror and you will see the reason.


There is a difference between mistakes and lies.

I made a mistake.

Thanked you for correcting my mistake.

Most of these women are soured groupies long deflowered before coming across Cosby-- some even 40 or even 50 years ago.

Thank you for your womanly contributions to this thread. :thumbsup

[Jermyn Davidson]

No...it only means they couldn't PROVE it happened. Not being able to PROVE something happened is NOT the same as believing or not believing a crime was committed.

You are right Barb.

[Abiding Now]

All of this probably would have just gone away IF BC would have forked out the cash. JMHO

[Reader]

All of this probably would have just gone away IF BC would have forked out the cash. JMHO

Just who is asking for cash? Please name which of these women are asking for money and when they asked for it.

There is a difference between mistakes and lies.

I made a mistake.

When you write the things after it has been shown otherwise, it isn't a mistake. Either one is not using good reading comprehension skills or they are lying. It isn't mistakes.

Most of these women are soured groupies long deflowered before coming across Cosby-- some even 40 or even 50 years ago.

And you know this how? Since you are so knowledgeable as to these women's sexual encounters, enlighten us as to when each of them were "deflowered." If one states this, then they should be able to support it with facts.

By continuously writing this as you do, you are insinuating that if any woman isn't a virgin, it is permissible to drug and sexually molest them. They should just take it and shut up. This is not a "mistake."

It is one thing to disbelieve any of the women involved. You take it much further than this in that you bring up whether or not they were a virgin when it happened and you label them as soured groupies in an effort to dismiss their claims. You don't even just do it once or twice. You appear to delight in it.

Disgusting.

[Jermyn Davidson]

These Sunday School teachers should have been home studying their lessons. Instead, they were out living the fast life dating hollywood stars, dazzled by big names, big lights, etc...

[Reader]

Lots of hot air and nothing to support the claim that was repeated multiple times.

[Abiding Now]

All of this probably would have just gone away IF BC would have forked out the cash. JMHO

Just who is asking for cash? Please name which of these women are asking for money and when they asked for it.

Ooooops. You must have missed JMHO, didn't realize that you were the only one allowed express their opinion. :laffatu

[aegsm76]

Good for the ones who actually filed a police report, but even with the police reports, no rape or assault charges.

Is rape really that difficult to prove?

If the person says no to sex but sex happens anyway, then there is rape.

Even with police reports filed, not even an assault charge filed!

Isn't that SUSPICIOUS to anyone else?

JD - I have a fairly good background in my younger days in this area. Stranger rapes are easier to prove and are the most likely to be prosecuted. Rapes that occur where the parties were acquainted are very hard to prove and very hard to prosecute. Prosecutors are very reluctant to pursue these, unless there is written, audio or video evidence.
As a victim advocate, I would speak with detectives who after interviewing all the parties involved and all the witnesses, would say that they personally believed a rape occurred, however it would be very unlikely to get a conviction. Thus, no charges were filed.
I spoke with victims of rape who were so dazed, confused, bewildered that they could not think straight. Almost all of these go through a time of blaming themselves and playing the "if only" game, as well.
My personal opinion is that BC is a sexual predator.
However, he will (most likely) never stand trial.
In most of the cases, the statute of limitations has run out and if there are some that are still able to be prosecuted, what prosecutor would want to?
You would be going up against the best lawyers that money could buy, you would bust your budget, hurt your career and not get a conviction.
I just do not understand your obsession with defending BC, unless you are just in pot-stirring mode.
Much more I could go into, but do not have the time.

[Reader]

Ooooops. You must have missed JMHO, didn't realize that you were the only one allowed express their opinion. :laffatu

I didn't miss that at all and I am certainly not the only one allowed to express their opinion. Everyone participating here has freely done so. For someone to say it "would have just gone away IF BC would have forked out the cash" to me would mean you have evidence or have at least read somewhere that all these women had approached him for money. Which is why I asked, "Please name which of these women are asking for money and when they asked for it."

So I ask, who is asking for money from Bill that caused you to believe this?

[Jermyn Davidson]

JD - I have a fairly good background in my younger days in this area. Stranger rapes are easier to prove and are the most likely to be prosecuted. Rapes that occur where the parties were acquainted are very hard to prove and very hard to prosecute. Prosecutors are very reluctant to pursue these, unless there is written, audio or video evidence.
As a victim advocate, I would speak with detectives who after interviewing all the parties involved and all the witnesses, would say that they personally believed a rape occurred, however it would be very unlikely to get a conviction. Thus, no charges were filed.
I spoke with victims of rape who were so dazed, confused, bewildered that they could not think straight. Almost all of these go through a time of blaming themselves and playing the "if only" game, as well.
My personal opinion is that BC is a sexual predator.
However, he will (most likely) never stand trial.
In most of the cases, the statute of limitations has run out and if there are some that are still able to be prosecuted, what prosecutor would want to?
You would be going up against the best lawyers that money could buy, you would bust your budget, hurt your career and not get a conviction.
I just do not understand your obsession with defending BC, unless you are just in pot-stirring mode.
Much more I could go into, but do not have the time.

Part pot-stirring mode, part sincere as I believe if these women were really raped, ALL OF THEM could have and should have gone to the police.

MOST OF THESE WOMEN DID NOT GO TO THE POLICE! Shouldn't that cause one to pause before casting all blame on Cosby for these dates that didn't go as planned for these Sunday School teachers?

It is my opinion that NONE OF THESE WOMEN WERE TRULY RAPED-- at least none of the stories documented by n david appear to be true rape stories.

Any of woman who decided to go to lawyers instead of the police receives no pity in my mind and their stories LACK CREDIBILITY!

Most of these women appear to just be bitter.

Allegations almost 30 years old with law enforcement and the support of an entire society that hates rape-- but these women wait till the man is old to say any thing! SHAME ON THEM!

Then, some of their stories are just so fantastic, it makes it very hard to believe any of them!

I can't be the only one out here who is truly skeptical of the accusations calling Cosby a rapist.

[Abiding Now]

I didn't miss that at all and I am certainly not the only one allowed to express their opinion. Everyone participating here has freely done so. For someone to say it "would have just gone away IF BC would have forked out the cash" to me would mean you have evidence or have at least read somewhere that all these women had approached him for money. Which is why I asked, "Please name which of these women are asking for money and when they asked for it."

So I ask, who is asking for money from Bill that caused you to believe this?

But Sunday, a former NBC employee came forward to claim he had often stood guard when Cosby invited models to his Cosby Show dressing room and delivered payments to keep them quiet.

Frank Scotti, now 90, says he delivered up to $2,000 a month to eight different women in 1989 and 1990, including Shawn Thompson -- with whom Cosby had an affair -- who claims the comedian fathered her daughter, Autumn Jackson.

"He had everybody fooled," Scotti told the New York Daily News. "Nobody suspected."

Scotti said he felt compelled to speak out on the numerous allegations that have surfaced against his old friend, saying that he "felt sorry for the women."

"I was suspicious that something was going on," he said. "I suspected that he was having sex with them because the other person he was sending money to [Thompson], he was definitely having sex with."

Thompson and Cosby had an affair in 1974, and he has paid out more than $100,000 to her over the years, even while denying he fathered her daughter.


Read more: http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/2014/11/25/Bill-Cosby-accusers-were-paid-off-by-ex-NBC-employee/9381416936179/#ixzz3KlhEBJc4

[Reader]

Abiding Now, I am well aware of his story. I believe I originally posted a link to it.

However, he doesn't claim any of the women coming out with their stories now was involved in this giving of money. This is about named women, not anonymous women who were allegedly paid money through an NBC employee back in the 80s or so.

Do you have anything on all the women being named now (besides the documented court case) that shows they sought money? Even that one that was settled out of court came about because the DA didn't pursue the case and Cosby & his people had lied about her and her family and released personal info on them.

[Reader]

Accusations of sexual molestation against Bill Cosby range from the 1960s through the early 2000s. Almost 20 people have come forward last I saw. If that many have come forward, you can pretty much count on their being many others who have not. Several were in their teens at the time.

All of the women are NOT accusing Cosby of raping them. READ!

All of these women were NOT out on dates with Cosby when the incidents occurred.

This is NOT the first time many of these women spoke up about what happened. Some spoke of it years ago.

There was ONE case where it went to court and then was settled out of court only after the DA didn't proceed with charges and her and her family had been lied about in the press by Cosby & his people.

60% of sexual assaults are not reported to police. There are over 230,000 cases of assault every year. https://www.rainn.org/statistics

[Jermyn Davidson]

The women who are accusing Cosby of rape but decided to go to their lawyers before or instead of going to the police have no credibility.

The women who are accusing Cosby of sexual assault but decided to go to lawyers before or instead of going to the police have no credibility.

The women who want to say that Cosby treated them like trash 30 years ago should have put the word out a long time ago that Cosby wasn't a gentleman with the ladies.

[Reader]

Which women have retained lawyers because they are going to sue Cosby? Names please.

Why not go to police? Besides the multitude of statistics and facts of people who never report sexual molestation cases, let's see what happened to one of the women who did. The DA didn't file charges because he didn't believe he could win, but he believed Cosby did it. Cosby and his people release personal information about the woman and her family- before any civil suit is filed. Cosby and his people spread lies about her and her mother, saying they were asking for money when they never had- before any civil suit is filed. She went to police, the case was not prosecuted and then she was slandered by Cosby and crew.

If she didn't have all the other women who were going to testify against Cosby for doing similar to them, you can be sure Cosby would not have settled the civil suit. Doing so out of court doesn't give all the testimony for everyone to see, which is often worse than whatever hits the press. Settling at all, with a person of such wealth and influence as Cosby has, why would anyone do that if nothing wrong had happened?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Now we are using the phrase, "sexual molestation".

Get real!

Stop trying to make victims out of these harlots.

[Reader]

On ignore.

[Jermyn Davidson]

On ignore.

Have a nice day.

[Praxeas]

The women who are accusing Cosby of rape but decided to go to their lawyers before or instead of going to the police have no credibility.

The women who are accusing Cosby of sexual assault but decided to go to lawyers before or instead of going to the police have no credibility.

The women who want to say that Cosby treated them like trash 30 years ago should have put the word out a long time ago that Cosby wasn't a gentleman with the ladies.
In the past it was easier to rape a woman and get away with it.

The climate back then made it difficult to report AND let alone vs a big time star.

Even today women feel ashamed to report a rape and don't want to relive the night mare, so they just muddle along through life without reporting it.

[aegsm76]

So, JD since we are stirring the pot.
You do not believe all of these stories about BC.
Where do you stand on the stories about MB and what happened in Ferguson?
What do you believe or not believe???

[Jermyn Davidson]

So, JD since we are stirring the pot.
You do not believe all of these stories about BC.
Where do you stand on the stories about MB and what happened in Ferguson?
What do you believe or not believe???

Different thread buddy but if the officer felt his life was in imminent danger....

[Jermyn Davidson]

In the past it was easier to rape a woman and get away with it.

The climate back then made it difficult to report AND let alone vs a big time star.

Even today women feel ashamed to report a rape and don't want to relive the night mare, so they just muddle along through life without reporting it.

I say that for "back then", all the ladies would have had to do is just say the word and Bill Cosby would have never become a household name-- IF there were any truth to any of these stories.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Judy Huth is suing Cosby for money today for an event that happened back in 1974.

We can expect more play for cash claims to be announced soon.

[Jermyn Davidson]

"The women appeared in tears at a Los Angeles press conference called by attorney Gloria Allred, who urged Cosby to waive his right under the statute of limitations, which limits how long after the fact lawsuits can be filed.

Alternatively, Cosby should set up a $100-million fund for his alleged victims, Allred said."


The money train is NEVER late.

I sure hope Cosby doesn't give in one inch to these money-seeking, worthless females of good times past.

http://news.yahoo.com/cosby-urged-waive-accusers-cry-foul-225323955.html

[seguidordejesus]

Why on earth would Cosby waive that right?

[Praxeas]

I say that for "back then", all the ladies would have had to do is just say the word and Bill Cosby would have never become a household name-- IF there were any truth to any of these stories.

When they happened he already was a household name

[FlamingZword]

I am neither a supporter nor a denier.

I see the whole thing as suspicious.

Let me see a guy worth millions of dollars and some woman trying to get their hands on some of those millions.

If he waives his right under the statute of limitations, will they waive all rights to any money and give it all to charity? Will Gloria Allred take up these cases for free?

[Praxeas]

I wouldn't wave my rights. Thats absurd

[Arphaxad]

Now the Navy has separated itself from B C, stripping him of his honorary CPO title.

[Arphaxad]

Judy Huth is suing Cosby for money today for an event that happened back in 1974.

We can expect more play for cash claims to be announced soon.

LAPD is opening an investigation of this because she was a minor, 15 years old,at the time. No statutes of limitations involving minors.

[Sasha]

I have loved Cosby for years, even since I was a child. I'm having difficulty believing any of these stories, especially since most happened several years ago.

I was listening to CNN today (I know, I'm going to hell) and there was a woman on there, claiming she was drugged, but she (even after all the years that have passed) was very explicit and knowledgeable about what happened, even describing how she was feeling as she was unable to walk or move. She often made statements during the interview like 'I remember feeling that something wasn't right and I shouldn't be feeling this way' and 'I remember thinking that I was drugged and all I could do was put my arms around his neck and couldn't speak except to say 'MF' over and over!' Really???

I believe someone is out to get him and these women have been paid off to make a story. Ridiculous.

[Arphaxad]

Has anyone who posted on this matter ever been drugged or molested by Cosby? Than shut your stupid assertions until this matter is settled.

[Sasha]

What's wrong with discussion? Discussion includes opinions, which we are all entitled to. This is a discussion forum. What's the purpose of discussion if one can't express their opinions?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Has anyone who posted on this matter ever been drugged or molested by Cosby? Than shut your stupid assertions until this matter is settled.

You appear to have made your made up your mind that Cosby is in the business of drugging and molesting women.

Eat a pudding pop.

[jfrog]

Moral of story, men and women shouldn't be alone together because #1 it opens the woman up to rape and #2 it opens the man up to false allegation of rape.

Is that what I'm gathering?

[shazeep]

Sounds about right. I'm thinking that what would clear all of this up--and therefore what prolly will never happen--is a round of lie detector tests. You'd think an uber-rich guy would have enough sense to video himself, or something. Stay chaperoned or whatever, ya.

[n david]

Where, oh where is Jermyn? I hope he's paying attention to the news today. Records which have been unsealed show Cosby admitted to buying drugs with the intent to drug women and have sex with them. Last month, Cosby's lawyers fought to keep the records sealed, arguing that the release of these records could be embarrassing to Cosby by detailing Cosby's marriage, sex life and prescription drug use. They also argued it could prejudice a jury pool.

No wonder Cosby didn't want this coming out. It proves he did it! He's guilty by his own admission!


"Cosby admitted to acquiring quaaludes with the intent of giving them to women he wanted to have sex with, and giving the drug to several women, in testimony for a sexual-abuse case filed by former Temple University employee Andrea Constand."

"In documents obtained by The Associated Press Cosby said he obtained seven quaalude prescriptions in the 1970s. Constand's lawyer asked if he had kept the sedatives through the 1990s, after they were banned, but was frustrated by objections from Cosby's attorney.

"When you got the quaaludes, was it in your mind that you were going to use these quaaludes for young women that you wanted to have sex with?" Troiani asked.

"Yes," Cosby answered.

"Did you ever give any of these young women the quaaludes without their knowledge?" Troiani asked.

Cosby's lawyer again objected, leading Troiani to petition the federal judge to force Cosby to cooperate."

Source Link (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/07/07/bill-cosby-admitted-to-drugging-women-to-have-sex-rape-accusers-say-are/)

[good samaritan]

Moral of story, men and women shouldn't be alone together because #1 it opens the woman up to rape and #2 it opens the man up to false allegation of rape.

Is that what I'm gathering?

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[Reader]

Thanks for reviving this, David. SEVEN prescriptions for Quaaludes, with the intent to give them to young women so he could have sex with them.

I could not understand how people were disbelieving around 40 women and that is just the ones who came forward. I am most certain some will continue to disbelieve because Cosby is not about to come forward and admit he regularly did this to women over many years.

Some may also wish to take note that the documents prove that Andrea was not initially going after him for money.

To those who tossed aside the testimonies of all these women, read the deposition for yourself http://www.scribd.com/doc/270728409/Cosby-Depo

[n david]

"The Los Angeles Police Department confirmed that its criminal investigation into Bill Cosby's alleged sexual assault of then 18-year-old model Chloe Goins is open and active."

The release of the court documents detailing Cosby's admission of drugging women for sex may be the break the LAPD needed to charge him.

Source Link (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/07/07/chloe-goins-lawyer-says-criminal-investigation-into-bill-cosby-ongoing-unsealed/?intcmp=features)

[commonsense]

Unfortunately the allegations appear to be true.

Loved his comedy albums from 70s and 80s. This is very disappointing.

I still think it's suspect for all of this to surface now......

[Ron]

Thanks for reviving this, David. SEVEN prescriptions for Quaaludes, with the intent to give them to young women so he could have sex with them.

I could not understand how people were disbelieving around 40 women and that is just the ones who came forward. I am most certain some will continue to disbelieve because Cosby is not about to come forward and admit he regularly did this to women over many years.

Some may also wish to take note that the documents prove that Andrea was not initially going after him for money.

To those who tossed aside the testimonies of all these women, read the deposition for yourself http://www.scribd.com/doc/270728409/Cosby-Depo

Probably because there is something called, "innocent until proven guilty!"
I have seen accusations at famous local people, who were accused as well, only to get their accusations & facts torn apart at trial!

You can not believe everything you read & hear, a good case in point is the fact that there are a lot of people who "believe" in the "theory of evolution" & accept it as "fact" because so many "scientists" say it is so!
Doesn't make it a fact!:thumbsup

[Praxeas]

I was hoping these allegations were spurious but after the MANY that have come out and his confession, I dont see how