Interesting SOF

[houston]

http://byhm.net/Synagogue/StatementOfFaith.html

[Esaias]

Another group of gentiles who have been judaized. I do NOT understand why English speaking gentiles feel the need to pretend they are Jews, tossing in semi-Hebrew terms in every other sentence, disobeying Christ's command NOT TO BE CALLED "rabbi", etc.

Otherwise, they are charismatic trinitarians.

[Praxeas]

LOL...

They are inconsistent too. They first say "God" then leave out the "o" in G-dhead as if they are being reverent

But then they say YHWH but later use HaShem, which is what Jews say INSTEAD of YHWH out of reverence

Right after saying YHWH they say L-ord..

They believe Yeshua is God (Yhwh) yet don't do the same.. ie "Y-Shua"

Odd

[shazeep]

ok but i would not judge the people based on the page; i go to a church like this when in Jerusalem, and these are most likely very...alive believers. It struck me how embedded in the doctrine of OS we are, hanging out with more "Eastern" Christian sects.

[MarkBelosa]

ok but i would not judge the people based on the page; i go to a church like this when in Jerusalem, and these are most likely very...alive believers. It struck me how embedded in the doctrine of OS we are, hanging out with more "Eastern" Christian sects.

Alive? like... lively worship? what do you mean by that?

[shazeep]

hmm. like you could tell that these people were much less self-centered than me, somehow. They listen differently. They worship God more outside of church? Church to them is more a...an almost festive gathering of the like-minded, rather than some somber assembly gathering to introspectively dwell upon their sins. No one is codependent there, that i could detect--things we might call 'sin' are ignored, overlooked, and/or forgiven there; in such a way as to convict (me) of the sin, and somehow made me want to just shed it, rather than get into some apology session--just show that i had shed it, iow. They just don't point fingers at each other like we do.

The culture is different--much more oppressed, less money, everything costs more--so some of these qualities are of necessity, i guess, and come about simply because they have to rely on each other more just to survive (the offering basket was full of change)...but you could tell that the Spirit was working in them, in their lives. I have very few conversations about this there, it is more of a practice.

For whatever reason, "Christmas" comes to mind for me, lol--it feels like Christmas as a kid. We don't really realize it as a child, but mom makes Christmas...and you can, too, just with your spirit.

[Michael The Disciple]

Nothing of interest here. Plain old average Messianic type Charismatics with an emphasis on the Hebrew names or language. Im ok with both these things personally but they seem to be lacking truth in many areas.

THIS is major error from the git go.

We believe that God is One, Echad not Yachid. Not that He is one person, but that He is One G-dhead, family of three; Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Abba, Ben and Ruach HaKodesh.

YHWH was never considered a FAMILY! How ridiculous. The battle of Echad demonstrates how far Trins are willing to go to deny the truth of ONE YHWH!

[Aquila]

I believe that we need a revelation of Grace.

[Michael The Disciple]

I believe that we need a revelation of Grace.

Start a thread and teach.

[Aquila]

Start a thread and teach.

Eh, I have nothing to say that you guys haven't heard already. Doctrines of grace:

1. Election (God's choice of a covenant people to be saved according to His sovereign will, purpose, and foreknowledge)

2. Predestination (God's predetermined glory for His chosen Elect people)

3. Atonement (Christ's work of satisfying the demands of the law for all men)

4. Propitiation (Christ's satisfying God's wrath against the sins of all men)

5. Prevenient Grace (the drawing of the lost through the Holy Spirit)

6. Conversion (faith, repentance & water baptism)

7. Justification (imputed righteousness)

8. Regeneration (being born again of the Spirit)

9. Adoption (membership in God's family)

10. Sanctification (the act of taking part in the divine nature and the process whereby we are conformed into the image and likeness of Christ)

11. Death (the intermediate state wherein the soul of the saint of God is present with the Lord in Heaven awaiting resurrection & glorification)

12. Resurrection & Glorification (receiving a resurrected and transformed body in glorified form that is fashioned perfectly into the image of Christ)



And beyond these doctrines a life of living according to the "Law of Love" as opposed to the Law of God (Ten Commandments) or the Law of Moses (over three hundred laws given to Israel). The Law of Love (Law of Christ) demands only two things:

1.) Love God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength.

2.) Demonstrate your love for God by loving others as yourself.

[obriencp]

I believe that we need a revelation of Grace.

I agree, but grace is a scary thing to a lot of people. Some people like a lot of rules to follow and are thus attracted to certain sects of christianity. They feel more secure in their salvation if they have boxes they can check off. Also, there is a hyper-grace movement that is just as harmful as legalism, just on the other extreme of the spectrum.

Most of us are used to a this for that type of system in our lives and it's hard to accept a "no-strings attached" gift like salvation. Obviously there are commands and lifestyle things we live out, but those are done out of love and obedience once we've accepted that great gift. Doing these things out of a sense of indebtedness is the wrong approach, IE earning our salvation.

[Aquila]

I agree, but grace is a scary thing to a lot of people. Some people like a lot of rules to follow and are thus attracted to certain sects of christianity. They feel more secure in their salvation if they have boxes they can check off. Also, there is a hyper-grace movement that is just as harmful as legalism, just on the other extreme of the spectrum.

Most of us are used to a this for that type of system in our lives and it's hard to accept a "no-strings attached" gift like salvation. Obviously there are commands and lifestyle things we live out, but those are done out of love and obedience once we've accepted that great gift. Doing these things out of a sense of indebtedness is the wrong approach, IE earning our salvation.

:thumbsup

[Aquila]

To me, love demands more than a law, rule, or standard ever can. I believe that when we die and stand before our maker, our lives will be judged. Every thought, word, deed, and intent will be weighed as to if it's primary motivation was love or not. I don't believe God will check of a list of standards or OT commandments and tally up how often we kept them or didn't keep them.

[Esaias]

To me, love demands more than a law, rule, or standard ever can. I believe that when we die and stand before our maker, our lives will be judged. Every thought, word, deed, and intent will be weighed as to if it's primary motivation was love or not. I don't believe God will check of a list of standards or OT commandments and tally up how often we kept them or didn't keep them.

Scripture please?

[Esaias]

Eh, I have nothing to say that you guys haven't heard already. Doctrines of grace:

1. Election (God's choice of a covenant people to be saved according to His sovereign will, purpose, and foreknowledge)

2. Predestination (God's predetermined glory for His chosen Elect people)

3. Atonement (Christ's work of satisfying the demands of the law for all men)

4. Propitiation (Christ's satisfying God's wrath against the sins of all men)

5. Prevenient Grace (the drawing of the lost through the Holy Spirit)

6. Conversion (faith, repentance & water baptism)

7. Justification (imputed righteousness)

8. Regeneration (being born again of the Spirit)

9. Adoption (membership in God's family)

10. Sanctification (the act of taking part in the divine nature and the process whereby we are conformed into the image and likeness of Christ)

11. Death (the intermediate state wherein the soul of the saint of God is present with the Lord in Heaven awaiting resurrection & glorification)

12. Resurrection & Glorification (receiving a resurrected and transformed body in glorified form that is fashioned perfectly into the image of Christ)



And beyond these doctrines a life of living according to the "Law of Love" as opposed to the Law of God (Ten Commandments) or the Law of Moses (over three hundred laws given to Israel). The Law of Love (Law of Christ) demands only two things:

1.) Love God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength.

2.) Demonstrate your love for God by loving others as yourself.

There is no dichotomy between "the law of God" and the "law of Christ". Christ was asked how to have eternal life and He pointed to those troublesome ten commandments. The two commandments cited by Christ as the GREATEST commandments were promulgated by Moses in Deut (the shema) and Leviticus (love your neighbor). Besides even if the ten commandments or any other commandment of God is "less" than the Big Two Christ still said something about those who break the least commandmwnts and teach others to as well.

Your views about the aspects of grace are standard Protestant doctrines put forward by confessions that would nevertheless identify your thoughts on the law of God as "antinomianism". Which I find ironic.

[shazeep]

To me, love demands more than a law, rule, or standard ever can. I believe that when we die and stand before our maker, our lives will be judged. Every thought, word, deed, and intent will be weighed as to if it's primary motivation was love or not. I don't believe God will check of a list of standards or OT commandments and tally up how often we kept them or didn't keep them.i have come to believe that this happens in the now, or I AM...

[FlamingZword]

Eh, I have nothing to say that you guys haven't heard already.

And beyond these doctrines a life of living according to the "Law of Love" as opposed to the Law of God (Ten Commandments) or the Law of Moses (over three hundred laws given to Israel). The Law of Love (Law of Christ) demands only two things:

1.) Love God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength.

2.) Demonstrate your love for God by loving others as yourself.

just another person that disparages and disrespects the Law of God (the Ten Commandments)

If you love God then you will his Ten Commandments.

These are the commandments given by God not by men.
of course to people raised in UPCI circles, the commandments of men rank (like no shaving and other nonsense) rank higher than the commandments of God.