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Timmy
01-05-2015, 10:23 AM
Did God become his own son?
seguidordejesus
01-05-2015, 11:50 AM
The Bible says that God GAVE his only son.
If I give the gift, am I the gift?
The father and the son SENT the holy spirit?
If I send a letter, am I the letter?
:)
Timmy
01-05-2015, 01:22 PM
The Bible says that God GAVE his only son.
If I give the gift, am I the gift?
The father and the son SENT the holy spirit?
If I send a letter, am I the letter?
:)
You're making too much sense. Maybe you don't belong here. :heeheehee
seguidordejesus
01-05-2015, 01:30 PM
You're making too much sense. Maybe you don't belong here. :heeheehee
No, no, here it is...
God got INTO the box, and got the angel Gabriel to tape it up and put it in the mail. Got it now.
Wait, he's everywhere, so he taped it up himself and sent it with himself in it.
I'm confused now.
Timmy
01-05-2015, 02:29 PM
No, no, here it is...
God got INTO the box, and got the angel Gabriel to tape it up and put it in the mail. Got it now.
Wait, he's everywhere, so he taped it up himself and sent it with himself in it.
I'm confused now.
Oh no, and you were doing so well! :lol
Fionn mac Cumh
01-06-2015, 08:12 AM
Whats even more confusing is the term GOD the Son. How can someone have that title and still be co-eternal with GOD the Father. Dont those terms denote that someone existed before the other?
Esaias
01-06-2015, 09:26 AM
The Bible says that God GAVE his only son.
If I give the gift, am I the gift?
The father and the son SENT the holy spirit?
If I send a letter, am I the letter?
:)
Right! And since it says God sent the Son, the Son can't be God!
Oh, and since God sends the Spirit, the Spirit isn't God either!
Hey this stuff really does make sense!
Enough "sense" to guarantee the unstable a place in hell.
seguidordejesus
01-06-2015, 10:20 AM
the Son can't be God!
...unless the Bible says he is...
Fionn mac Cumh
01-06-2015, 10:23 AM
...unless the Bible says he is...
Can you address the points in my post please? How can GOD have the title son and still be co-equal and co-eternal?
Pressing-On
01-06-2015, 10:28 AM
...unless the Bible says he is...
Hebrews 1: 1 -2 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"
seguidordejesus
01-06-2015, 10:31 AM
Hebrews 1: 1 -2 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"
So Jesus isn't God? What is the point of this passage in this discussion?
seguidordejesus
01-06-2015, 10:32 AM
Can you address the points in my post please? How can GOD have the title son and still be co-equal and co-eternal?
No.
Ask Timmy.
Pressing-On
01-06-2015, 10:59 AM
So Jesus isn't God? What is the point of this passage in this discussion?
En huioi means “in son” or “in the son”. He is the one through whom the worlds were made.
“Through whom also He made the worlds” – Hebrews 1:2 “Through” is “dia”, meaning, “by means of”.
John 1:1-3;14 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,”
The Word is not separate from God, therefore, Jesus is not separate from God.
Conclusion: God became his own son. Or rather, God became a son - "(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth..." John 1:14
And if Isaiah 42:8 says, "I am the Lord; that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another.....", it is NOT possible that God is NOT the son if we can behold that "glory" in Jesus Christ.
n david
01-06-2015, 11:33 AM
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
PO had it right:
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,”
seguidordejesus
01-06-2015, 11:41 AM
En huioi means “in son” or “in the son”. He is the one through whom the worlds were made.
“Through whom also He made the worlds” – Hebrews 1:2 “Through” is “dia”, meaning, “by means of”.
John 1:1-3;14 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,”
The Word is not separate from God, therefore, Jesus is not separate from God.
Conclusion: God became his own son. Or rather, God became a son - "(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth..." John 1:14
And if Isaiah 42:8 says, "I am the Lord; that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another.....", it is NOT possible that God is NOT the son if we can behold that "glory" in Jesus Christ.
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
PO had it right:
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,”
Yes, indeed.
You are both skipping over "Word was with God".
Pressing-On
01-06-2015, 11:55 AM
Yes, indeed.
You are both skipping over "Word was with God".
And you are skipping over the continuation in that passage, fleshing it out, no pun intended, i.e., "...and the Word WAS God..."
seguidordejesus
01-06-2015, 12:36 PM
And you are skipping over the continuation in that passage, fleshing it out, no pun intended, i.e., "...and the Word WAS God..."
No, I see it.
How do you understand the Word to be with God without there being any sort of separation?
Pressing-On
01-06-2015, 12:42 PM
No, I see it.
How do you understand the Word to be with God without there being any sort of separation?
If the Word WAS God, how is there any sort of separation? Is it separate because it is visible? No. We "beheld" His glory.
Timmy
01-06-2015, 12:42 PM
No, I see it.
How do you understand the Word to be with God without there being any sort of separation?
When he sees you quarreling over this kind of thing, God must be beside himself. :heeheehee
Pressing-On
01-06-2015, 12:43 PM
When he sees you quarreling over this kind of thing, God must be beside himself. :heeheehee
You're going to be "beside yourself" when "every knee shall bow". Just sayin'... :heeheehee
BrotherEastman
01-06-2015, 12:50 PM
En huioi means “in son” or “in the son”. He is the one through whom the worlds were made.
“Through whom also He made the worlds” – Hebrews 1:2 “Through” is “dia”, meaning, “by means of”.
John 1:1-3;14 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,”
The Word is not separate from God, therefore, Jesus is not separate from God.
Conclusion: God became his own son. Or rather, God became a son - "(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth..." John 1:14
And if Isaiah 42:8 says, "I am the Lord; that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another.....", it is NOT possible that God is NOT the son if we can behold that "glory" in Jesus Christ.
Great Post PO!!:thumbsup
BrotherEastman
01-06-2015, 12:52 PM
through His own flesh He did. God created His own sonship that He may dwell in flesh and become our kinsmen redeemer.
seguidordejesus
01-06-2015, 12:56 PM
If the Word WAS God, how is there any sort of separation? Is it separate because it is visible? No. We "beheld" His glory.
It is separate (maybe) because the Word was WITH God. You can't explain it away by quoting the next phrase - that doesn't answer the question. Trinitarians have tried to explain this with the Trinity - do you have have a different way of reconciling the Word being WITH God? What does that mean?
seguidordejesus
01-06-2015, 12:57 PM
When he sees you quarreling over this kind of thing, God must be beside himself. :heeheehee
:laffatu:yourock
seguidordejesus
01-06-2015, 12:59 PM
Enough "sense" to guarantee the unstable a place in hell.
You're going to be "beside yourself" when "every knee shall bow". Just sayin'... :heeheehee
Nothing like being told you're going to hell twice in one thread to stifle discussion.
Timmy
01-06-2015, 01:11 PM
You're going to be "beside yourself" when "every knee shall bow". Just sayin'... :heeheehee
:icecream
Timmy
01-06-2015, 01:12 PM
Nothing like being told you're going to hell twice in one thread to stifle discussion.
Oh, ya get kinda used to it after a while. :heeheehee
Pressing-On
01-06-2015, 01:13 PM
It is separate (maybe) because the Word was WITH God. You can't explain it away by quoting the next phrase - that doesn't answer the question. Trinitarians have tried to explain this with the Trinity - do you have have a different way of reconciling the Word being WITH God? What does that mean?
So, we are not allowed to complete the thought by quoting the next phrase? How is that going to work for context?
"And the Word was with God, and the Word was....." Scrap that thought. lol
And why would I care what a Trinitarian says when Isaiah 9:6 is plain as day?
The first time that 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 :heeheehee
"For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder. And His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (KJV)
"For a CHILD IS BORN to us, and a son is given to us, and the government is upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace." (Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition - DRA)
Pressing-On
01-06-2015, 01:13 PM
:icecream
You opened the gate. :heeheehee
Pressing-On
01-06-2015, 01:21 PM
Nothing like being told you're going to hell twice in one thread to stifle discussion.
I didn't say Timmy was going to hell. I think that if he is sincere with his questioning, he will be surprised when every knee shall bow. A lot of truth will be staring at all of us, in the face, on judgement day.
If he is asking the question, mocking God, which I don't think he is, that would be a different story.
seguidordejesus
01-06-2015, 01:29 PM
So, we are not allowed to complete the thought by quoting the next phrase? How is that going to work for context?
"And the Word was with God, and the Word was....." Scrap that thought. lol
And why would I care what a Trinitarian says when Isaiah 9:6 is plain as day?
The first time that 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 :heeheehee
"For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder. And His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (KJV)
"For a CHILD IS BORN to us, and a son is given to us, and the government is upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace." (Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition - DRA)
Get back to me when you are done giggling your way thru the discussion.
Pressing-On
01-06-2015, 01:40 PM
It is separate (maybe) because the Word was WITH God. You can't explain it away by quoting the next phrase - that doesn't answer the question. Trinitarians have tried to explain this with the Trinity - do you have have a different way of reconciling the Word being WITH God? What does that mean?
Get back to me when you are done giggling your way thru the discussion.
The next phrase answers the question. You just don't want that answer. I don't have a question here, so I'll let you knock it around with Tim-may.
he also invented pizza.
whats the problem here?
Timmy
01-06-2015, 03:25 PM
he also invented pizza.
whats the problem here?
:highfive
Jito463
01-06-2015, 03:54 PM
The first time that 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 :heeheehee
No, but 1 x 1 x 1 = 1 :spit
Originalist
01-06-2015, 04:12 PM
It is separate (maybe) because the Word was WITH God. You can't explain it away by quoting the next phrase - that doesn't answer the question. Trinitarians have tried to explain this with the Trinity - do you have have a different way of reconciling the Word being WITH God? What does that mean?
Have you ever considered comparing John 1:1-2 with I John 1:1-2?
The latter is a deeper explanation of the former and pretty much tells us the context of "with" and "Word".
Fionn mac Cumh
01-06-2015, 04:24 PM
Have you ever considered comparing John 1:1-2 with I John 1:1-2?
The latter is a deeper explanation of the former and pretty much tells us the context of "with" and "Word".
Do you agree that the "word" is logos in the Greek as all theologians do? Logos in Greek means a word, speech, divine utterance, analogy. It never has meant a "person" of the trinity.
Also no one can explain to me how the second "person" in the trinity is called son. How can a son be co-equal and co-eternal? How does the term son not denote a birth thus rendering the co-eternal thing mute? How can a son be submissive to the father and be co-equal? Son before his birth was Logos. After the birth he was the messiah.
jfrog
01-06-2015, 05:07 PM
Do you agree that the "word" is logos in the Greek as all theologians do? Logos in Greek means a word, speech, divine utterance, analogy. It never has meant a "person" of the trinity.
Also no one can explain to me how the second "person" in the trinity is called son. How can a son be co-equal and co-eternal? How does the term son not denote a birth thus rendering the co-eternal thing mute? How can a son be submissive to the father and be co-equal? Son before his birth was Logos. After the birth he was the messiah.
You do not understand infinity. (x-1) comes before (x) always and yet we can let x approach infinity and x-1 will likewise approach infinity along with x.
Fionn mac Cumh
01-07-2015, 12:06 PM
You do not understand infinity. (x-1) comes before (x) always and yet we can let x approach infinity and x-1 will likewise approach infinity along with x.
What?
BrotherEastman
01-07-2015, 12:33 PM
What?
LOL!!!!! That's what I would say. What????????
Originalist
01-07-2015, 06:20 PM
Do you agree that the "word" is logos in the Greek as all theologians do? Logos in Greek means a word, speech, divine utterance, analogy. It never has meant a "person" of the trinity.
Also no one can explain to me how the second "person" in the trinity is called son. How can a son be co-equal and co-eternal? How does the term son not denote a birth thus rendering the co-eternal thing mute? How can a son be submissive to the father and be co-equal? Son before his birth was Logos. After the birth he was the messiah.
Again, look at I John 1:1-2. What does this passage refer to the WORD as?
No, no, here it is...
God got INTO the box, and got the angel Gabriel to tape it up and put it in the mail. Got it now.
Wait, he's everywhere, so he taped it up himself and sent it with himself in it.
I'm confused now.
Brother, let me explain it better.....God was(became) His son, was the Holy Ghost, which is God, these 3 are exactly the same:heeheehee.....How can you not see that????....LOL
When he sees you quarreling over this kind of thing, God must be beside himself. :heeheehee
LOL...you mean like this?....Acts 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Originalist
01-08-2015, 08:15 AM
God did not "become his own Son". His joining with an egg of Mary produced male human offspring. By default God was joined to that Son thus forming one new creature.
Aquila
01-08-2015, 08:20 AM
I believe that Jesus, the Son of God (the man), was an authentic human being who was born of Mary. However, I also believe that He was "one" with the Father (from conception), making Him both God and man. Let's review how Jesus Himself describes His Oneness with the Father...
John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one. (KJV)
John 10:38
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. (KJV)
John 12:45
45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. (KJV)
John 14:7-10
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. (KJV)
If you walked the earth with Jesus, you'd get to know Him as a man. He'd teach. He'd laugh. He'd eat. He'd use the restroom. He'd sleep. He'd rest. He'd pray and speak of His Heavenly Father. He'd fast. He'd cry. He'd sweat. He'd bleed. However... at times you'd feel something otherworldly emanating from deep within Him. Something emanating from the very core of His being. Something powerful. Something that has authority over all creation. Something that speaks to the winds... bringing them into total and absolute obedience. Something that raises the dead and heals all manner of sickness. Something indescribable. Something "other". You'd sense GOD Himself at the core of Christ's own person. You'd realize that this man is far more than just a mere man. You'd realize that this man is... also God.
However, keep in mind...God did not reside in Christ as though He were merely a human vehicle. He didn't reside in Christ as a cat in a box. No, God resided in and permeated Christ's very being. A Oneness so complete, so majestic, and so divine that in Christ it can be said that God became a man... and that this very same man was also God. In Christ Jesus, God elevated human nature into union with His own divine nature, and His very own divine nature condescended to establish union with Christ's human nature.
No other religion elevates Christ to such an infinite height of majesty and honor. No other religion expresses Christ's true person to such an infinite degree. Most religions merely make Christ a prophet or seek to establish Him as being some second co-eternal divine being or person. No... Christ was not just a prophet. Christ wasn't a second co-eternal divine being or person. Christ also wasn't God shape-shifted or morphed into the mere appearance of a man. Christ was the authentic human tabernacle of God Himself. To deny this imperils the soul... and reduces Christ to being either a lunatic or a liar.
All authority and power has been delivered to Christ Jesus. He will judge Krishna. He will judge Buddha. He will judge Mohammed. He will judge Nanak. He will judge the followers of every false prophet and madman. He will judge all men in accordance to the Father's will as it relates to the Gospel. Through Him, the Father will judge. Because they are one.
With the above in mind, I'd say that God experienced surrendering His only begotten Son, the man Jesus Christ, to the cross to save mankind. In this sense, yes, the Father stood by and watched His Son suffer and die for sinners, experiencing all the loss a Father would feel.
However, since the Father also resided in the very being and human person of Christ, the Father Himself also accepted and experienced death for all mankind. God experienced death through the loss of His beloved Son, Jesus.
I believe that we can reconcile these two theological realities in fully realizing the implications found in the following texts:
John 3:16 (ESV)
16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
2 Corinthians 5:18-19 (ESV)
18 All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, .....
God did not "become his own Son". His joining with an egg of Mary produced male human offspring. By default God was joined to that Son thus forming one new creature.
One, as in exactly the same creature?
I believe that Jesus, the Son of God (the man), was an authentic human being who was born of Mary. However, I also believe that He was "one" with the Father (from conception), making Him both God and man. Let's review how Jesus Himself describes His Oneness with the Father...
John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one. (KJV)
John 10:38
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. (KJV)
John 12:45
45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. (KJV)
John 14:7-10
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. (KJV)
If you walked the earth with Jesus, you'd get to know Him as a man. He'd teach. He'd laugh. He'd eat. He'd use the restroom. He'd sleep. He'd rest. He'd pray and speak of His Heavenly Father. He'd fast. He'd cry. He'd sweat. He'd bleed. However... at times you'd feel something otherworldly emanating from deep within Him. Something emanating from the very core of His being. Something powerful. Something that has authority over all creation. Something that speaks to the winds... bringing them into total and absolute obedience. Something that raises the dead and heals all manner of sickness. Something indescribable. Something "other". You'd sense GOD Himself at the core of Christ's own person. You'd realize that this man is far more than just a mere man. You'd realize that this man is... also God.
However, keep in mind...God did not reside in Christ as though He were merely a human vehicle. He didn't reside in Christ as a cat in a box. No, God resided in and permeated Christ's very being. A Oneness so complete, so majestic, and so divine that in Christ it can be said that God became a man... and that this very same man was also God. In Christ Jesus, God elevated human nature into union with His own divine nature, and His very own divine nature condescended to establish union with Christ's human nature.
No other religion elevates Christ to such an infinite height of majesty and honor. No other religion expresses Christ's true person to such an infinite degree. Most religions merely make Christ a prophet or seek to establish Him as being some second co-eternal divine being or person. No... Christ was not just a prophet. Christ wasn't a second co-eternal divine being or person. Christ also wasn't God shape-shifted or morphed into the mere appearance of a man. Christ was the authentic human tabernacle of God Himself. To deny this imperils the soul... and reduces Christ to being either a lunatic or a liar.
All authority and power has been delivered to Christ Jesus. He will judge Krishna. He will judge Buddha. He will judge Mohammed. He will judge Nanak. He will judge the followers of every false prophet and madman. He will judge all men in accordance to the Father's will as it relates to the Gospel. Through Him, the Father will judge. Because they are one.
With the above in mind, I'd say that God experienced surrendering His only begotten Son, the man Jesus Christ, to the cross to save mankind. In this sense, yes, the Father stood by and watched His Son suffer and die for sinners, experiencing all the loss a Father would feel.
However, since the Father also resided in the very being and human person of Christ, the Father Himself also accepted and experienced death for all mankind. God experienced death through the loss of His beloved Son, Jesus.
I believe that we can reconcile these two theological realities in fully realizing the implications found in the following texts:
John 3:16 (ESV)
16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
2 Corinthians 5:18-19 (ESV)
18 All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, .....
Yes, in a nutshell, Jesus had the Holy Ghost....Luke 4
4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
Aquila
01-08-2015, 09:46 AM
Yes, in a nutshell, Jesus had the Holy Ghost....Luke 4
4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
Yes, and more than that. He was also made in the express image of the Father's own person. Therefore, the man, Jesus Christ, perfectly reflected the Father. Something that can't be said of any other. God was made manifest in Him.
Timmy
01-08-2015, 01:50 PM
Yes, and more than that. He was also made in the express image of the Father's own person. Therefore, the man, Jesus Christ, perfectly reflected the Father. Something that can't be said of any other. God was made manifest in Him.
So there's a difference between "image of" and "express image of"? Adam and Eve were in the ordinary image of God?
Jermyn Davidson
01-09-2015, 10:39 AM
GOD is the Father and the FATHER is GOD.
GOD is His Son and His Son is GOD.
GOD is the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is GOD.
Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I AM".
Jermyn Davidson
01-09-2015, 10:41 AM
I voted no because the question implies that at one time GOD was not His own Son and such a supposition adds to the Bible.
Pressing-On
01-09-2015, 11:12 AM
So there's a difference between "image of" and "express image of"? Adam and Eve were in the ordinary image of God?
"image" is defined as "resemblance or likeness". That seems to be what Paul is implying in Ephesians 4:24 - our being created in righteousness and true holiness. That would suggest we were made to have attributes of God.
"express image" has a deeper meaning - "charakter" - to impress upon, or stamp. It refers to an engraving tool. IOW, what is made is a precise replication of the tool.
Jesus is God's "only" begotten. We were adopted, Jesus was begotten. The difference between "image" and "express image".
Timmy
01-09-2015, 12:00 PM
"image" is defined as "resemblance or likeness". That seems to be what Paul is implying in Ephesians 4:24 - our being created in righteousness and true holiness. That would suggest we were made to have attributes of God.
"express image" has a deeper meaning - "charakter" - to impress upon, or stamp. It refers to an engraving tool. IOW, what is made is a precise replication of the tool.
Jesus is God's "only" begotten. We were adopted, Jesus was begotten. The difference between "image" and "express image".
I see, thanks.
Would Aquila have answer the same way? ;)
good samaritan
01-09-2015, 12:03 PM
A good question is do you think that there will be three distinct persons in heaven. When you imagine heaven and Jesus do you see a father, a son, and a spirit; each on their personal throne with dialogue between one another? I don't.
Jermyn Davidson
01-09-2015, 12:13 PM
A good question is do you think that there will be three distinct persons in heaven. When you imagine heaven and Jesus do you see a father, a son, and a spirit; each on their personal throne with dialogue between one another? I don't.
You don't have to see that if you believe in the Trinity.
Timmy
01-09-2015, 12:31 PM
A good question is do you think that there will be three distinct persons in heaven. When you imagine heaven and Jesus do you see a father, a son, and a spirit; each on their personal throne with dialogue between one another? I don't.
The Holy Spirit is kind of blue. So says an eyewitness. :heeheehee
Pressing-On
01-09-2015, 01:21 PM
I see, thanks.
Would Aquila have answer the same way? ;)
I think his posts are much longer. :heeheehee
shazeep
01-09-2015, 01:27 PM
:heeheehee
The Holy Spirit is kind of blue. So says an eyewitness. :heeheeheeya gee i wonder why
good samaritan
01-09-2015, 02:11 PM
You don't have to see that if you believe in the Trinity.
Can you explain what and who you see in heaven in regards to God?
Jermyn Davidson
01-09-2015, 02:27 PM
Can you explain what and who you see in heaven in regards to God?
Sure, but it would mere interpretation of a very difficult scriptural concept.
Even if I don't understand this concept completely accurately, I have love for GOD, His Gospel, and His people.
See ya next week!
:)
Pressing-On
01-09-2015, 02:51 PM
I voted no because the question implies that at one time GOD was not His own Son and such a supposition adds to the Bible.
"Begotten" would prove there was no co-existence at the beginning. So, the question is looking to the time He "became" a human boy, a son.
You already voted Yes in this post:
GOD is the Father and the FATHER is GOD.
GOD is His Son and His Son is GOD.
GOD is the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is GOD.
Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I AM".
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