Can There any more Polls to Throw Doubt on Christ?

[mfblume]

Yes or no?

[mfblume]

Matthew 18:6. Just saying.

[mfblume]

It's called anti-missionary work.

[Timmy]

Fearing questions must be awful.

[Michael The Disciple]

It's called anti-missionary work.

satan gets a lot of joy destroying a Christian.

[Timmy]

Does asking "Did God become his own son?" throw doubt on Christ?

Does asking "Is the Bible all you need for your morality?" throw doubt on Christ?

Does asking "Why Does God Allow Me to Be Lonely?" throw doubt on Christ?

[seguidordejesus]

I appreciate that Mike Blume doesn't insinuate that someone's going to hell every time there's a question. That's admirable. Discussion is important.

[Timmy]

I appreciate that Mike Blume doesn't insinuate that someone's going to hell every time there's a question. That's admirable. Discussion is important.

Do you think I ask too many questions that throw doubt on Christ?

[seguidordejesus]

Do you think I ask too many questions that throw doubt on Christ?

We should have an answer ready for questions. Your questions give occasion to think, regardless of if you're serious. Maybe Bro Blume is just tired today ;)

And God can handle our doubt.

[Timmy]

We should have an answer ready for questions. Your questions give occasion to think, regardless of if you're serious. Maybe Bro Blume is just tired today ;)

And God can handle our doubt.

Is he tired every single day?! :toofunny

[mfblume]

We should have an answer ready for questions. Your questions give occasion to think, regardless of if you're serious. Maybe Bro Blume is just tired today ;)

And God can handle our doubt.

Not tired. Just seriously indicating that the Word has serious words on people who offend the faith of believers, let alone people make it a mission to cast doubt. that is what Timmy is doing, you know. He's on a vendetta-filled mission. Seriously.

[mfblume]

Fearing questions must be awful.

I fear none of your questions. Seriously. But I am strong enough in the Word to see through your implications. But God takes offending a little one very seriously. Man, you're in his sights, dude. Scary, seriously. As far as myself goes, I fear more for you in the hands of God than me reading your doubt-intended posts.

Don't get me wrong, admins, but I also am concerned about you letting him do this here. Matt 18:6 again.

[BrotherEastman]

I fear none of your questions. Seriously. But I am strong enough in the Word to see through your implications. But God takes offending a little one very seriously. Man, you're in his sights, dude. Scary, seriously. As far as myself goes, I fear more for you in the hands of God than me reading your doubt-intended posts.

Don't get me wrong, admins, but I also am concerned about you letting him do this here. Matt 18:6 again.

The devil has always been a trash talker. :yourock

[BrotherEastman]

It's called anti-missionary work.

Don't worry Mike, Satan has his reward.

[Timmy]

I fear none of your questions. Seriously. But I am strong enough in the Word to see through your implications. But God takes offending a little one very seriously. Man, you're in his sights, dude. Scary, seriously. As far as myself goes, I fear more for you in the hands of God than me reading your doubt-intended posts.

Don't get me wrong, admins, but I also am concerned about you letting him do this here. Matt 18:6 again.

Have I caused any little ones to stumble?

And again:

Does asking "Did God become his own son?" throw doubt on Christ?

Does asking "Is the Bible all you need for your morality?" throw doubt on Christ?

Does asking "Why Does God Allow Me to Be Lonely?" throw doubt on Christ?

[mfblume]

Have I caused any little ones to stumble?

And again:

Does asking "Did God become his own son?" throw doubt on Christ?

Does asking "Is the Bible all you need for your morality?" throw doubt on Christ?

Does asking "Why Does God Allow Me to Be Lonely?" throw doubt on Christ?

Your intention is to prove the bible and the God of the bible as wrong. Yes, to all your questions.

[Timmy]

Your intention is to prove the bible and the God of the bible as wrong. Yes, to all your questions.

Lol

[Timmy]

Seems to me that the only reason to be afraid of questions is that you don't have answers or you don't like the answers.

[Timmy]

Have I caused any little ones to stumble?
MB answers "yes". OK, who? When?


And again:

Does asking "Did God become his own son?" throw doubt on Christ?
MB answers "yes". So how in the world does asking this "throw doubt on Christ?


Does asking "Is the Bible all you need for your morality?" throw doubt on Christ?
MB answers "yes". So how in the world does asking this "throw doubt on Christ?


Does asking "Why Does God Allow Me to Be Lonely?" throw doubt on Christ?
MB answers "yes". Well, maybe you've got me, there. Except I didn't ask it. It was someone else, as an intro to a blog for those who may ask it themselves.

[mfblume]

Seems to me that the only reason to be afraid of questions is that you don't have answers or you don't like the answers.

Think whatever you want. But you know yourself that you intend on proving the bible wrong and getting people to question for the purpose of showing them its error.

All you ask is intended to make people think , like you do, that the bible cannot adequately and logically answer these questions so they stumble at what the word says, which is what stumbling refers to in the bible.

But if that is not your conscious intention, then you live and breathe unbelief so much that you do not even realize it. That is actually more scary than intending to inflict doubt.

T, just admit you are not all-knowing and that your conclusions that made you think they were concrete reason to leave Christianity are not really good conclusions and get back to God. You must admit your general morality has fallen sine you quit the church.

[Timmy]

So now you think you know about my morality. And I'm the one who should admit I don't know everything.

You, sir, are a class 1 jerk. Un. Be. Lievable.

[Timmy]

Bottom line, I have never seen a reason to believe what you do, and you don't feel any need to try to give me one.

SMH.

[Timmy]

IMO, you don't HAVE a good reason.

[UnTraditional]

There is nothing wrong with asking questions. But, there comes a point when the spirit behind the questioning becomes evident. Is this person asking questions because they have a desire to know the answer, or are they doing so in an effort to cause confusion and discord?

I believe the Apostle Paul actually handled this in 2 Timothy 2:23. Here is what it says out of the MEV, "But avoid foolish and unlearned debates, knowing that they create strife." There are genuine questions and genuine hearts that ask those questions, wanting answers, and we have a biblical responsibility to answer those questions. Then there are people who just throw questions out there to cause strife and confusion. These are to be avoided. How do we know the difference? With a humble heart and right spirit, ask the Lord to open up our discernment to know the difference between the two.

OK, my $0.02 worth.

[thephnxman]

There is nothing wrong with asking questions. But, there comes a point when the spirit behind the questioning becomes evident. Is this person asking questions because they have a desire to know the answer, or are they doing so in an effort to cause confusion and discord?
I believe the Apostle Paul actually handled this in 2 Timothy 2:23. Here is what it says out of the MEV, "But avoid foolish and unlearned debates, knowing that they create strife." There are genuine questions and genuine hearts that ask those questions, wanting answers, and we have a biblical responsibility to answer those questions. Then there are people who just throw questions out there to cause strife and confusion. These are to be avoided. How do we know the difference? With a humble heart and right spirit, ask the Lord to open up our discernment to know the difference between the two. OK, my $0.02 worth.

I noticed that the person with a question that would engender strife does not allow the person
who would answer the question to ANSWER the question, but immediately follows up with another
question in the middle of an answer.

[mfblume]

There is nothing wrong with asking questions. But, there comes a point when the spirit behind the questioning becomes evident. Is this person asking questions because they have a desire to know the answer, or are they doing so in an effort to cause confusion and discord?

I believe the Apostle Paul actually handled this in 2 Timothy 2:23. Here is what it says out of the MEV, "But avoid foolish and unlearned debates, knowing that they create strife." There are genuine questions and genuine hearts that ask those questions, wanting answers, and we have a biblical responsibility to answer those questions. Then there are people who just throw questions out there to cause strife and confusion. These are to be avoided. How do we know the difference? With a humble heart and right spirit, ask the Lord to open up our discernment to know the difference between the two.

OK, my $0.02 worth.

Exactly.

[mfblume]

I noticed that the person with a question that would engender strife does not allow the person
who would answer the question to ANSWER the question, but immediately follows up with another
question in the middle of an answer.

:thumbsup

[Timmy]

There is nothing wrong with asking questions. But, there comes a point when the spirit behind the questioning becomes evident. Is this person asking questions because they have a desire to know the answer, or are they doing so in an effort to cause confusion and discord?

I believe the Apostle Paul actually handled this in 2 Timothy 2:23. Here is what it says out of the MEV, "But avoid foolish and unlearned debates, knowing that they create strife."
AFF has a whole section devoted to them. :heeheehee

There are genuine questions and genuine hearts that ask those questions, wanting answers, and we have a biblical responsibility to answer those questions. Then there are people who just throw questions out there to cause strife and confusion. These are to be avoided. How do we know the difference? With a humble heart and right spirit, ask the Lord to open up our discernment to know the difference between the two.

OK, my $0.02 worth.
OK, everyone ask the Lord to tell them whether to use the Ignore feature on me or not. Think the Lord will give everyone the same answer?

Oops, there I go again. Asking a simple question (with an obvious answer) that might "throw doubt". I'll never learn.

[Timmy]

I noticed that the person with a question that would engender strife does not allow the person
who would answer the question to ANSWER the question, but immediately follows up with another
question in the middle of an answer.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. :lol

[mfblume]

Bottom line, I have never seen a reason to believe what you do, and you don't feel any need to try to give me one.

SMH.

Which is it? You apparently did indeed have a reason to believe since you were a Christian once. You deny that? What is the reality?

[mfblume]

Well I guess hypocrisy shows up in unbelievers, too. Wow. Who wudda thought? You accuse people of being afraid to ask questions and then when we state some opinion s you act afraid of us stating them. And then you resort to juvenile name-calling.

But let's check out your claims.

Have I caused any little ones to stumble?
MB answers "yes". OK, who? When?

Quote:
And again:

Does asking "Did God become his own son?" throw doubt on Christ?
MB answers "yes". So how in the world does asking this "throw doubt on Christ?

It is intended to throw doubt on the Oneness doctrine, which is the primary belief of Godhead theology on this forum. By asking if God has His own Son, the intention is to make [people think oneness is ridiculous because how can anyone be one's own son? It is intended to throw doubt at the oneness adherents here.


Quote:
Does asking "Is the Bible all you need for your morality?" throw doubt on Christ?
MB answers "yes". So how in the world does asking this "throw doubt on Christ?

It's a loaded question, Timmy. And you intended it that way.

If people respond and say the Bible is all we need for morality, then you would cite some legalistic people who cling to the bible alone and lived very immoral lives. Typical world response.

Or, if a person said the bible is NOT the only source of morality, and the Holy Spirit can speak to you things the bible did not say, then you'd find a loophole in Christianity to be able to say it has a flaw that opens it up for whackos to claim they hear from God and do nonsensical things.

And, you get a kick out of Christians arguing between each other so as to justify your position that you made the right choice to leave the faith.


Quote:
Does asking "Why Does God Allow Me to Be Lonely?" throw doubt on Christ?
MB answers "yes". Well, maybe you've got me, there. Except I didn't ask it. It was someone else, as an intro to a blog for those who may ask it themselves.

This is an example of doing something to make a person you consider to be a jerk to look stupid. Same spirit, really.

[mfblume]

"But avoid foolish and unlearned debates, knowing that they create strife."
AFF has a whole section devoted to them. AFF has a whole section devoted to them. :heeheehee

Typical.

So now you think you know about my morality. And I'm the one who should admit I don't know everything.

You, sir, are a class 1 jerk. Un. Be. Lievable.

Whatever.

No drop in morality, huh?

When you were a Christian, did you believe homosexuality was a sin? Do you now? Do you think homosexuality is even a moral issue at all, and when you were a Christian did you think it was a moral issue?

[Timmy]

Which is it? You apparently did indeed have a reason to believe since you were a Christian once. You deny that? What is the reality?

Are you serious? Have you never changed your mind about something. Were you born an Apostolic?

[Esaias]

So... Timmy... did you EVER have a reason to believe? I think brother Blume's question is valid. It's not about changing one's mind, he was asking if you ONCE BEFORE had a reason?

[Timmy]

So... Timmy... did you EVER have a reason to believe? I think brother Blume's question is valid. It's not about changing one's mind, he was asking if you ONCE BEFORE had a reason?

It's what I was taught as a child. It was all I knew. As I got older, it made less and less sense, and the promise and the reality got farther and farther apart.

[Timmy]

Typical.



Whatever.

No drop in morality, huh?

When you were a Christian, did you believe homosexuality was a sin? Do you now? Do you think homosexuality is even a moral issue at all, and when you were a Christian did you think it was a moral issue?

Ah. What you really meant to say was my morality changed, and it's different from yours. Lol

[mfblume]

Are you serious? Have you never changed your mind about something. Were you born an Apostolic?

Can't answer the question, eh?

[mfblume]

Ah. What you really meant to say was my morality changed, and it's different from yours. Lol

Did you or did you not think it was IMMORAL to be homosexual? You claim you never had a hit on your morality. Can't answer a direct question, can you? Isn't that hypocritical?

Did you stop believing homosexuality was immoral? Is homosexuality even a moral issue, anyway?

Do you cuss and swear now when you thought that was immoral before? I don't know. Just asking! Is it not immoral to cuss, in your opinion? Seriously asking. Not saying.

What else did you think was immoral but you do not believe is immoral any more?

And IF it is a mere issue of CHANGING MORALS, is it not true that you LESSENED your morals? You thought MORE THINGS were immoral than you do now? You have LESS morals than you did before? LESSENING morality is my point, Timmy. LESSENING. Decline in morality. DECLINE.

[Timmy]

Did you or did you not think it was IMMORAL to be homosexual? You claim you never had a hit on your morality. Can't answer a direct question, can you? Isn't that hypocritical?

Did you stop believing homosexuality was immoral? Is homosexuality even a moral issue, anyway?

Do you cuss and swear now when you thought that was immoral before? I don't know. Just asking! Is it not immoral to cuss, in your opinion? Seriously asking. Not saying.

What else did you think was immoral but you do not believe is immoral any more?

And IF it is a mere issue of CHANGING MORALS, is it not true that you LESSENED your morals? You thought MORE THINGS were immoral than you do now? You have LESS morals than you did before? LESSENING morality is my point, Timmy. LESSENING. Decline in morality. DECLINE.

OK, yes. There are fewer bad things in my morality than before. AFF doesn't want anyone to disagree with their stance on homosexuality, so I shouldn't directly answer the question about that. ;) But yeah. Fewer immoral things now :winkgrin

Why? Is there something wrong with change? :lol

[Timmy]

You know, I've said several times before that I think everyone should do what works for them. Few have given me the same blessing. You are the opposite extreme, requiring everyone to do what works for you! I find that attitude silly, immature, ridiculous, fruitless, and really pretty vile. (See? My morality didn't just lose things! :lol)

[Timmy]

I should moderate the "vile" part. It can be vile. For example, if someone would likely be endangered by covering or reconverting. Yeah. That would be vile.

[mfblume]

OK, yes. There are fewer bad things in my morality than before. AFF doesn't want anyone to disagree with their stance on homosexuality, so I shouldn't directly answer the question about that. ;) But yeah. Fewer immoral things now :winkgrin

Why? Is there something wrong with change? :lol

No, but there's something wrong when you claim your morality was not hit, and in actuality your morality declined. So, admit I was right! It declined. I know you prefer CHANGED like the abortionists prefer FETUS rather than human being. But the CHANGE was a DECLINE in morality.

[mfblume]

You know, I've said several times before that I think everyone should do what works for them. Few have given me the same blessing. You are the opposite extreme, requiring everyone to do what works for you! I find that attitude silly, immature, ridiculous, fruitless, and really pretty vile. (See? My morality didn't just lose things! :lol)

I require no one to do anything, including what works for me. Where did you get that from? lol What you do doesn't affect me at all. I d not require it, but the God of the Bible does.

[Timmy]

No, but there's something wrong when you claim your morality was not hit, and in actuality your morality declined. So, admit I was right! It declined. I know you prefer CHANGED like the abortionists prefer FETUS rather than human being. But the CHANGE was a DECLINE in morality.

Wait, wait, wait. Is it the more forbidden things, the better?

[Timmy]

I require no one to do anything, including what works for me. Where did you get that from? lol What you do doesn't affect me at all. I d not require it, but the God of the Bible does.

You really didn't get my meaning? Really? It is tiresome conversing with you.

[Timmy]

And no. God does NOT require anyone to believe what you believe. Not me, not you, no one.

[Timmy]

If you think he does, it's on you to prove it.

[mfblume]

Wait, wait, wait. Is it the more forbidden things, the better?

Superb manner of deflection! Bravo! But is not your words an admission of letting up on some stricter morality? To use your words, was your list of morals involving more forbidden elements than they do now?

Whatever the case, your morality declined, though you PREFER to say "changed." I can understand why the preference of terms. Btu whichever way you slice it, your morality "took a hit" as you termed it. Did it not? Seriously. Did it not?

You really didn't get my meaning? Really? It is tiresome conversing with you.

ONly because your feet are being held to the fire and it is based upon your challenge of a claim I made that you now waffle about. Can't bear the truth, can you? You get called on an issue you initially challenged, and you suddenly are not so forthright any more.

And no. God does NOT require anyone to believe what you believe. Not me, not you, no one.

Sorry, I believe He does. Everyone believes what truth they believe in is what God requires if they got what they believe from the bible. But the difference is your distortion of what we are saying does not include the reality that we also believe it is not us who are judge but God.

But, anyway, keep on deflecting.

If you think he does, it's on you to prove it.

Deflect away! Doing great!

Timmy. Remember in the 50's that TV sitcoms would only show a bedroom scene if there were twin beds, pajamas and even caps on their heads!? But today in 2015, ...

That is what is called "decline in morality." But you still prefer to call it "change" in morality, huh? Okaaaay.

By the way, the majority on the poll said enough is enough. And you think I'm alone on this? Actually it's a shutout as of today.

[Timmy]

Superb manner of deflection! Bravo! But is not your words an admission of letting up on some stricter morality? To use your words, was your list of morals involving more forbidden elements than they do now?
Yes, I have already said that. You just said I said it! What am I deflecting? My question to you, that you just quoted, goes unanswered. Who is deflecting?


Whatever the case, your morality declined, though you PREFER to say "changed." I can understand why the preference of terms. Btu whichever way you slice it, your morality "took a hit" as you termed it. Did it not? Seriously. Did it not?
The phrase "took a hit" has obvious connotations that I don't admit to, and you are clearly implying. But in the strictest meaning, as it has been reduced -- some items removed from the list of immoral things -- sure! It "took a hit"! Now, will you answer the question you quoted above?


ONly because your feet are being held to the fire and it is based upon your challenge of a claim I made that you now waffle about. Can't bear the truth, can you? You get called on an issue you initially challenged, and you suddenly are not so forthright any more.

Where in the world have I not been forthright?! Where am I waffling?!

SMH.

There is no fire, by the way. My feet are fine. :lol


Sorry, I believe He does. Everyone believes what truth they believe in is what God requires if they got what they believe from the bible. But the difference is your distortion of what we are saying does not include the reality that we also believe it is not us who are judge but God.

But, anyway, keep on deflecting.



Deflect away! Doing great!
Asking for proof is deflecting? You're amazing.


Timmy. Remember in the 50's that TV sitcoms would only show a bedroom scene if there were twin beds, pajamas and even caps on their heads!? But today in 2015, ...

That is what is called "decline in morality." But you still prefer to call it "change" in morality, huh? Okaaaay.

By the way, the majority on the poll said enough is enough. And you think I'm alone on this? Actually it's a shutout as of today.
It used to be immoral for a white person to marry a black person.

Now, this example alone should prove my point, but somehow I'm sure you will say I'm deflecting, or something. Again, you are amazing.

[mfblume]

You deflected by not dealing with whether or not your morality DECLINED before the previous recent posts were submitted to you, and tried to get off by saying it "CHANGED" and quickly ran off to put accusation against me saying I demand everyone be like me, when that was actually a lie to boot. That is immoral. I do not demand everyone do as I do. You're proving my case.

You waffled in simply not saying, "Yeah I declined in morality." You used the term "changed, "and quickly left that hot potato alone and pointed your finger at me, lying while you were at it. Usually you seem to forthrightly admit things. But this waffling about CHANGE as opposed to DECLINE shows some checkered Belgian pastrywork.

And then you use the lame argument that it was considered immoral for a white person to marry a black person as well, as if to justify cussing or homosexuality, etc. The fact is the bible never spoke against whites marrying blacks, which was shown in the issue with Moses. So your false accusation of guilt by association fails. We're talking about biblical morality. Are there any moral issues in your life that have declined that you agree are genuine examples of a lack of morality, if you can be honest enough to admit so here? Again, cussing? I don't know if you do or not, but, for example, if you honestly believe cussing is immoral and you admit to doing it since you left your faith, unlike the false morality of interracial relationships being wrong, then that would lead to a different conversation than what has been.

Increase in morality is not always present just because it implies stricter standards. But everyone knows morality in the bible is great, and decline from THAT is genuine decline in morality.

But is it not strange that there is never an increase in stricter standards of morality in those who once lived by the bible and left it? It is always a decline. Why never an increase?

[Timmy]

You deflected by not dealing with whether or not your morality DECLINED before the previous recent posts were submitted to you, and tried to get off by saying it "CHANGED" and quickly ran off to put accusation against me saying I demand everyone be like me, when that was actually a lie to boot. That is immoral. I do not demand everyone do as I do. You're proving my case.

You waffled in simply not saying, "Yeah I declined in morality." You used the term "changed, "and quickly left that hot potato alone and pointed your finger at me, lying while you were at it. Usually you seem to forthrightly admit things. But this waffling about CHANGE as opposed to DECLINE shows some checkered Belgian pastrywork.

And then you use the lame argument that it was considered immoral for a white person to marry a black person as well, as if to justify cussing or homosexuality, etc. The fact is the bible never spoke against whites marrying blacks, which was shown in the issue with Moses. So your false accusation of guilt by association fails. We're talking about biblical morality. Are there any moral issues in your life that have declined that you agree are genuine examples of a lack of morality, if you can be honest enough to admit so here? Again, cussing? I don't know if you do or not, but, for example, if you honestly believe cussing is immoral and you admit to doing it since you left your faith, unlike the false morality of interracial relationships being wrong, then that would lead to a different conversation than what has been.

Increase in morality is not always present just because it implies stricter standards. But everyone knows morality in the bible is great, and decline from THAT is genuine decline in morality.

But is it not strange that there is never an increase in stricter standards of morality in those who once lived by the bible and left it? It is always a decline. Why never an increase?

Is a longer list of rules better than a shorter list?

[Timmy]

Here is your first mention of my morality:

"You must admit your general morality has fallen sine you quit the church."

This was clearly a jab. Otherwise you wouldn't have said it. You didn't ask if the list of things in my moral code was shorter. You said my "general morality has fallen". Do you deny that you intended that as a criticism? That you meant that my morality was worse?

You say I lied when I said you demand everyone be like you. 1. I didn't say that. 2. What I did say is true, that you require "everyone to do what works for you". Your first knee-jerk was that you didn't require that, but God does. A mere semantic distraction. The very act of stating that what you believe and do is what God requires everyone to believe and do is confirmation that what I said is true. You require it. You believe that everyone must believe what you believe. Stop being so absurd. Did you actually think I meant that you, mfblume, have issued a world-wide decree for everyone to read and obey? No. You don't. You know exactly what I meant.

[mfblume]

Here is your first mention of my morality:

"You must admit your general morality has fallen sine you quit the church."

This was clearly a jab. Otherwise you wouldn't have said it. You didn't ask if the list of things in my moral code was shorter. You said my "general morality has fallen". Do you deny that you intended that as a criticism? That you meant that my morality was worse?

You say I lied when I said you demand everyone be like you. 1. I didn't say that. 2. What I did say is true, that you require "everyone to do what works for you". Your first knee-jerk was that you didn't require that, but God does. A mere semantic distraction. The very act of stating that what you believe and do is what God requires everyone to believe and do is confirmation that what I said is true. You require it. You believe that everyone must believe what you believe. Stop being so absurd. Did you actually think I meant that you, mfblume, have issued a world-wide decree for everyone to read and obey? No. You don't. You know exactly what I meant.
I don't require anything. It's your wording that is the issue. One who requires is one who is judge. Evidently require does not mean that to you. Sorry. But it does to me, and so I didnt know exactly what you meant.

[Timmy]

I don't require anything. It's your wording that is the issue. One who requires is one who is judge. Evidently require does not mean that to you. Sorry. But it does to me, and so I didnt know exactly what you meant.

Now you do. Awesome. But you know what? I'm tired now. Tired of you.

Ta ta.

[Abiding Now]

Hey, Bro. Blume,:highfive

[BrotherEastman]

Hey, Bro. Blume,:highfive

I love Brother Blume, seeing his teachings and well thought out posts. I love Timmy too, but I do get aggravated at his motives sometimes.