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Charlie Brown
06-09-2007, 10:48 AM
I picked up a Herald, something I haven't done in at least a year, and was browsing a Special Issue recently put out. I noticed that there is a "School of Prophets" conference going to be held in Stockton at Christian Life on July 23-27.
The listed preachers are Nathaniel Haney, Eli Lopez, Lee Stoneking, John Arcovio, Matt Maddix, Anthony Romo, and Ronnie Mullings.
My question is simple. Where are the Prophets?? Did they forget to list them?
Monkeyman
06-09-2007, 11:19 AM
I picked up a Herald, something I haven't done in at least a year, and was browsing a Special Issue recently put out. I noticed that there is a "School of Prophets" conference going to be held in Stockton at Christian Life on July 23-27.
The listed preachers are Nathaniel Haney, Eli Lopez, Lee Stoneking, John Arcovio, Matt Maddix, Anthony Romo, and Ronnie Mullings.
My question is simple. Where are the Prophets?? Did they forget to list them?
This has been something that CLC has done for years(at least early 90s if not late 80s). There has been more done for young men at this retreat then you will probably do in a hundred years...take your cheap backseat potshots elsewhere...blockhead
Charlie Brown
06-09-2007, 11:37 AM
This has been something that CLC has done for years(at least early 90s if not late 80s). There has been more done for young men at this retreat then you will probably do in a hundred years...take your cheap backseat potshots elsewhere...blockhead
I did not advertise a School of Prophets Conference, so I am not the focus of this thread. You are just trying to project the focus off of the fact that none of the men listed are really prophets. Not saying they are not good men, but they are not prophets. I would say it is a case of false advertisement.
Pastor Keith
06-09-2007, 12:32 PM
I picked up a Herald, something I haven't done in at least a year, and was browsing a Special Issue recently put out. I noticed that there is a "School of Prophets" conference going to be held in Stockton at Christian Life on July 23-27.
The listed preachers are Nathaniel Haney, Eli Lopez, Lee Stoneking, John Arcovio, Matt Maddix, Anthony Romo, and Ronnie Mullings.
My question is simple. Where are the Prophets?? Did they forget to list them?
I have a mixed review of this conference, as being one of the founding members and participants it did me much good in my youth. We would gather in the Mountains with the likes of Morton Bustard who despite what some on here think of him, influenced me to seek these gifts of God.
But it has gotten away from the simple, equipping, mentoring, create an environment for spiritual activity to the usual preaching conference where the attendees come and now watch the experts do their thing.
They will leave feeling energized, tell others that they heard great preaching, exhortation but leave little equipped or exercised their gifting.
Sad because it could be much more...
By the way Arcovio is a prophet, though his misses have been more highlighted than his successes. In my opinion he is the real deal.
Rhoni
06-09-2007, 12:46 PM
I picked up a Herald, something I haven't done in at least a year, and was browsing a Special Issue recently put out. I noticed that there is a "School of Prophets" conference going to be held in Stockton at Christian Life on July 23-27.
The listed preachers are Nathaniel Haney, Eli Lopez, Lee Stoneking, John Arcovio, Matt Maddix, Anthony Romo, and Ronnie Mullings.
My question is simple. Where are the Prophets?? Did they forget to list them?
I don't consider any of the speakers to be prophets so how would they know...interesting...
...By the way .......is a prophet, though his misses have been more highlighted than his successes. In my opinion he is the real deal.
The test of a true prophet...
Deut 18:20-22 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.' 21 And if you say in your heart, 'How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?' — 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. (NKJV)
Pastor Keith
06-09-2007, 02:07 PM
The test of a true prophet...
Deut 18:20-22 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.' 21 And if you say in your heart, 'How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?' — 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. (NKJV)
If this is the standard for NT prophets, then there isnt one alive. I disagree with this being the standard for NT prophets, this was the OT economy and the fact that the prophet spoke directly from God on the national stage. Also this a reference to the ulitmate prophet Jesus Christ.
I recommend reading Grudem's discourse on this theme.
If this is the standard for NT prophets, then there isnt one alive...
Wow, amazing that you would say that. When someone says "thus sayeth the Lord," when God didn't, I think it is fairly serious.
Is there mercy today? Certainly. Is there still a standard? I believe so.
As for reading the specific discourse you mentioned, I'm sticking with the Bible on this one. :D
Pastor Keith
06-09-2007, 02:09 PM
When I was in Asia, a pastor there told a remarkable prophecy given to him by J. Arcovio about his building situation.
The gist being the landlord where they had church would give them trouble (came to pass)
And then proceeded to describe the new building where they would relocate (came to pass in every detail)
If this is the standard for NT prophets, then there isnt one alive. I disagree with this being the standard for NT prophets, this was the OT economy and the fact that the prophet spoke directly from God on the national stage. Also this a reference to the ulitmate prophet Jesus Christ.
I recommend reading Grudem's discourse on this theme.
I agree. Men are subject to human Error of All sorts.
we don't throw a Pastor away when he makes an honest mistake
that can be corrected
although, when you say "GOD SAID IT" people really take that for face value. the Prophets need to be careful how they word things
berkeley
06-09-2007, 02:10 PM
Amazing, a Prophet's conference and no prophets show up.. and they didn't give me a call...:poloroid
Actually, I'm sticking with the Bible on this one. :D
the Old testament Prophets are not the same as the 5 fold ministry of today. OT prophets did not have the holy ghost for one thing.
there was a new set of guidelines for the gifts. stoning a prophet is not listed in the NT.
Pastor Keith
06-09-2007, 02:11 PM
Actually, I'm sticking with the Bible on this one. :D
Ok for starters lets look at this being the standard,
I Thess. 5 tells us to test prophetic words and hold fast to the good portion, yet we are also told not to despise prophetic words,
Romans 12, to prophesy according to faith, and not to go beyond that
These two scriptures reveal that it is possible for prophetic words to be wrong and yet the gift to be legititmate.
According to I Peter and Jude the OT prophet equivalent in the NT is the teacher
Pastor Keith
06-09-2007, 02:12 PM
Amazing, a Prophet's conference and no prophets show up.. and they didn't give me a call...:poloroid
They don't have your #, don't fret, I didn't get a phone call either...
3 of them on the list do operate in the Prophetic
Pastor Keith
06-09-2007, 02:13 PM
Wow, amazing that you would say that. When someone says "thus sayeth the Lord," when God didn't, I think it is fairly serious.
Is there mercy today? Certainly. Is there still a standard? I believe so.
As for reading the specific discourse you mentioned, I'm sticking with the Bible on this one. :D
then that person didn't hear from God correctly! test the word!
the Old testament Prophets are not the same as the 5 fold ministry of today. OT prophets did not have the holy ghost for one thing.
there was a new set of guidelines for the gifts. stoning a prophet is not listed in the NT.
So you are saying that the Holy Ghost filled prophets are more prone to "miss?"
Pastor Keith
06-09-2007, 02:16 PM
So you are saying that the Holy Ghost filled prophets are more prone to "miss?"
Yes, we are saying that.
So you are saying that the Holy Ghost filled prophets are more prone to "miss?"
are you willing to also take up stones and kill someone for missing ??
today the body of believers lays hands on the sick , do all get heald?
the body of believers can aspire to giftings. not the same as OT
Interesting.
So do you believe that anyone who has been used in the gift of prophecy fulfills the office of the Prophet?
How would you qualify who is a prophet and who is not?
Thad, I'm not stoning anyone...lol...and I understand the gifts of the Spirit.
I'm speaking of someone who fulfills the office of the prophet.
GL if you believe the OT testament Law Applies today then you have to be consistent. take up Rocks and stone them- are you willing ??? or will you offer NT mercy ???
.....These two scriptures reveal that it is possible for prophetic words to be wrong and yet the gift to be legititmate....
I do not question the legitimacy of the gift. Not at all. I'm thankful to have a prophet in my life.
GL if you believe the OT testament Law Applies today then you have to be consistent. take up Rocks and stone them- are you willing ??? or will you offer NT mercy ???
:rolleyes2:rolleyes2:rolleyes2
This is not a question of mercy.
I'm talking about individuals who currently are fulfilling the office of the prophet.
berkeley
06-09-2007, 02:25 PM
They don't have your #, don't fret, I didn't get a phone call either...
We just may share a platform someday...
:rolleyes2:rolleyes2:rolleyes2
Keith,
there are a lot of folks who are against the Gifts. this is to be expected
:lol
I've been used in the gift of prophecy numerous times.
:lol
I certainly believe in the gifts...
Pastor Keith
06-09-2007, 02:27 PM
Interesting.
So do you believe that anyone who has been used in the gift of prophecy fulfills the office of the Prophet?
How would you qualify who is a prophet and who is not?
there is a difference between gift of NT prophecy and NT prophet, the gift is a temporary manifestation, the office is a person. Though similar in operation, all Christians evangelise to some degree, but a Evangelist is a person.
Pastor Keith
06-09-2007, 02:28 PM
I do not question the legitimacy of the gift. Not at all. I'm thankful to have a prophet in my life.
Who do you consider your prophet?
there is a difference between gift of NT prophecy and NT prophet, the gift is a temporary manifestation, the office is a person. Though similar in operation, all Christians evangelise to some degree, but a Evangelist is a person.
Keith, I understand that...:lol
berkeley
06-09-2007, 02:34 PM
Who do you consider your prophet?
I was going to ask this...
Pastor Keith
06-09-2007, 02:37 PM
I was going to ask this...
I guess he missed that one!:lol
Why would you want to know?
You are missing my point. Totally...
You've made it out that I don't believe in the gifts, when our church has been practicing them consistently.
You've then thought me to be confused in reference to the gift of prophecy and the office of the prophet. :rolleyes2
no sense in getting a Bad "SPIRIT" over this Issue.
Keith, my question to you since you seem to be an expert on the subject....
What are the distinguishing marks of one who fulfills the office of the NT prophet? If that individual misses fairly often, does not the Body of Christ have the right and obligation to question that person's claim to be a NT prophet?
no sense in getting a Bad "SPIRIT" over this Issue.
:lol
:rolleyes2
Pastor Keith
06-09-2007, 02:43 PM
Why would you want to know?
You are missing my point. Totally...
You've made it out that I don't believe in the gifts, when our church has been practicing them consistently.
You've then thought me to be confused in reference to the gift of prophecy and the office of the prophet. :rolleyes2
!
My point being, you most likely consider you pastor to be your prophet, which is fine by me, but your standard of absolute perfection would dis-qualify him that office, becasue you and I both know that he has missed it, :sly, right!
My point being, you most likely consider you pastor to be your prophet, which is fine by me, but your standard of absolute perfection would dis-qualify him that office, becasue you and I both know that he has missed it, :sly, right!
My pastor does not fulfill the office of NT prophet.
Please answer my question. I would really like to know.
Oh, and the prophet who God has chosen to speak in my life has never missed it in a "this sayeth the Lord" moment, in reference to us, our ministry or our church. I have not gone throughout the churches he's ministered in and asked everyone, in order to administer the prophet test... :)
Pastor Keith
06-09-2007, 02:48 PM
Keith, my question to you since you seem to be an expert on the subject....
What are the distinguishing marks of one who fulfills the office of the NT prophet? If that individual misses fairly often, does not the Body of Christ have the right and obligation to question that person's claim to be a NT prophet?
1. Someone called by God to that office
2. Consistent use of the Gift of prophecy, the body of Christ will recognize this.
3. Consistent accuracy in that gift, the criteria being edification, comfort and exhortation. They will be more on than off, but they will grow in their gifting. No conference preacher started in that level of authority or no teacher started at that level, but as the exercised their gifting the grew up their gift and became more mature and authoritative.
4. The openess to have their words tested and weighed (I Cor. 14; I Thess. 5)
Pastor Keith
06-09-2007, 02:49 PM
My pastor does not fulfill the office of NT prophet.
Please answer my question. I would really like to know.
I answered your see above post, but you danced around mine, who is your prophet?
"More on than off" when claiming to speak the specific word of God to someone or a group of people?
That is where I cannot agree with you.
.......who is your prophet?
I would not dare subject his name to be tossed around in a forum such as this for the banter of the board...
Sorry.
Not gonna happen from me.
....The listed preachers are Nathaniel Haney, Eli Lopez, Lee Stoneking, John Arcovio, Matt Maddix, Anthony Romo, and Ronnie Mullings....
Getting back to the OP, since when do most of these men claim the office of the prophet? I respect many of them greatly, but are they all prophets or experts in the realm of prophecy?
It certainly does sound more like a preaching conf to me.
Maybe I'll go check it out...
Pastor Keith
06-09-2007, 03:06 PM
"More on than off" when claiming to speak the specific word of God to someone or a group of people?
That is where I cannot agree with you.
Good luck with that approach, come see me when you are 100% accurate!
Pastor Keith
06-09-2007, 03:07 PM
Getting back to the OP, since when do most of these men claim the office of the prophet? I respect many of them greatly, but are they all prophets or experts in the realm of prophecy?
It certainly does sound more like a preaching conf to me.
Maybe I'll go check it out...
I will see you there, look for the guy screaming Thus Saith the.....
Good luck with that approach, come see me when you are 100% accurate!
I don't claim the office of a prophet, my friend.
I'm not even speaking of 100% accuracy, but "more on than off" isn't a good standard in my book.
I will see you there, look for the guy screaming Thus Saith the.....
Just don't be wrong in what you say.
I'll be testing and holding fast... :lol
:D
Getting back to the OP, since when do most of these men claim the office of the prophet? I respect many of them greatly, but are they all prophets or experts in the realm of prophecy?It certainly does sound more like a preaching conf to me....
Any comments??
I picked up a Herald, something I haven't done in at least a year, and was browsing a Special Issue recently put out. I noticed that there is a "School of Prophets" conference going to be held in Stockton at Christian Life on July 23-27.
The listed preachers are Nathaniel Haney, Eli Lopez, Lee Stoneking, John Arcovio, Matt Maddix, Anthony Romo, and Ronnie Mullings.
My question is simple. Where are the Prophets?? Did they forget to list them?
They omitted my name...AGAIN?!!:lol
BoredOutOfMyMind
06-09-2007, 04:51 PM
Amazing, a Prophet's conference and no prophets show up.. and they didn't give me a call...:poloroid
I predict they will not call you next year too.
Mark it down. :IAM
SarahElizabeth
06-09-2007, 04:55 PM
...And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. ...I Corinthians 14:32.
berkeley
06-09-2007, 05:15 PM
I predict they will not call you next year too.
Mark it down. :IAM
:lol
stmatthew
06-09-2007, 05:21 PM
In reading this thread, it seems to me there needs to be a distinction made between those that are used in the "Prophetic", and those that hold the office of "Prophet". I personally believe the voice of the Prophets have been silent for quite a few years. I believe that this is a God thing. But when they come on the scene, it will be to call a people out of their sin and slumber. There is no difference between the Old Testament Prophet, and the New Testament Prophet.
Not everyone that prophesies is a Prophet. But I do not believe there is room for error to come out of the mouth of the true God called Prophet. At the point error is spoken, he ceases to be Gods mouthpiece.
Just MHO
Praxeas
06-09-2007, 05:58 PM
In reading this thread, it seems to me there needs to be a distinction made between those that are used in the "Prophetic", and those that hold the office of "Prophet". I personally believe the voice of the Prophets have been silent for quite a few years. I believe that this is a God thing. But when they come on the scene, it will be to call a people out of their sin and slumber. There is no difference between the Old Testament Prophet, and the New Testament Prophet.
Not everyone that prophesies is a Prophet. But I do not believe there is room for error to come out of the mouth of the true God called Prophet. At the point error is spoken, he ceases to be Gods mouthpiece.
Just MHO
What is the definition of a prophet?
Act 11:27 And in these days prophets from Jerusalem came to Antioch.
Act 11:28 And one of them named Agabus stood up and signified by the Spirit that there should be great famine over the world (which also happened in the days of Claudius Caesar).
Act 13:1 And in Antioch some among the existing church were prophets and teachers. (such as Barnabas, and Simeon who was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, the foster-brother of Herod the tetrarch) and Saul.
Act 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord and fasted, the Holy Spirit said, So, then, separate Barnabas and Saul to Me for the work to which I have called them.
Act 13:3 Then having fasted and prayed and laid hands on them, they let them go.
Act 15:32 And Judas and Silas, also being prophets themselves, exhorted the brothers with many words and confirmed them.
Act 21:8 And the next day those around him going out, Paul came to Caesarea. And entering the house of Philip the evangelist, he being of the seven, we stayed with him.
Act 21:9 And there were four virgin daughters to this one, who prophesied.
Act 21:10 And as we stayed more days, a certain prophet from Judea named Agabus came down.
Act 21:11 And coming to us, and taking Paul's belt, and binding his hands and feet, he said, The Holy Spirit says these things: So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man whose belt this is, and will deliver him into the hands of the nations.
I agree. Men are subject to human Error of All sorts.
we don't throw a Pastor away when he makes an honest mistake
that can be corrected
although, when you say "GOD SAID IT" people really take that for face value. the Prophets need to be careful how they word things
It is my understanding that this side of our completion at the rapture, all our knowledge, prophesy, etc. is "in part" or "incomplete" subject to our human limitations.
8-10 Love never dies. Inspired speech will be over some day; praying in tongues will end; understanding will reach its limit. We know only a portion of the truth, and what we say about God is always incomplete. But when the Complete arrives, our incompletes will be canceled.
11 When I was an infant at my mother's breast, I gurgled and cooed like any infant. When I grew up, I left those infant ways for good.
12 We don't yet see things clearly. We're squinting in a fog, peering through a mist. But it won't be long before the weather clears and the sun shines bright! We'll see it all then, see it all as clearly as God sees us, knowing him directly just as he knows us!
13 But for right now, until that completeness, we have three things to do to lead us toward that consummation: Trust steadily in God, hope unswervingly, love extravagantly. And the best of the three is love.
1 Cor 13:8-13 from The Message
In reading this thread, it seems to me there needs to be a distinction made between those that are used in the "Prophetic", and those that hold the office of "Prophet".
...
Not everyone that prophesies is a Prophet.
...
Just MHO
In his instructions to the Assembly at Corinth, the Apostle Paul said that only two or three prophets were to speak but that all can prophesy (1 Cor 14:29-33)
Old Paths
06-09-2007, 09:08 PM
In reading this thread, it seems to me there needs to be a distinction made between those that are used in the "Prophetic", and those that hold the office of "Prophet". I personally believe the voice of the Prophets have been silent for quite a few years. I believe that this is a God thing. But when they come on the scene, it will be to call a people out of their sin and slumber. There is no difference between the Old Testament Prophet, and the New Testament Prophet.
Not everyone that prophesies is a Prophet. But I do not believe there is room for error to come out of the mouth of the true God called Prophet. At the point error is spoken, he ceases to be Gods mouthpiece.
Just MHO
Bro. Matt
Would this lead to the idea that at certain times the five fold ministry would be incomplete?
J/W
I did not advertise a School of Prophets Conference, so I am not the focus of this thread. You are just trying to project the focus off of the fact that none of the men listed are really prophets. Not saying they are not good men, but they are not prophets. I would say it is a case of false advertisement.
Out of curiosity who do you think are prophets?
.. and they didn't give me a call...:poloroid
I didn't get a call either,
but then, I don't consider myself a prophet,
just an elder (anciano in Spanish).
Bro. Matt
Would this lead to the idea that at certain times the five fold ministry would be incomplete?
J/W
Could be incomplete at times.
If we believe in an early rain (first century or so), sporadic showers at times (Holy Ghost outpourings here and there through the centuries) and then the latter rain (late 1800's until rapture) there could be times when some gifts and offices were not active.
I predict they will not call you next year too.
Mark it down. :IAM
:lol:lol:killinme
BOOM, you must be a NT Prophet! That declaration just moved your correct "thus sayeths" into the 51% percentile. You are now "more on than off!"
Congrats!!
:D
1. Someone called by God to that office
2. Consistent use of the Gift of prophecy, the body of Christ will recognize this.
3. Consistent accuracy in that gift, the criteria being edification, comfort and exhortation. They will be more on than off, but they will grow in their gifting. No conference preacher started in that level of authority or no teacher started at that level, but as the exercised their gifting the grew up their gift and became more mature and authoritative.
4. The openess to have their words tested and weighed (I Cor. 14; I Thess. 5)
good definition of a prophet in our day, in my opinion.
thank you.
I'm shocked that "more on than off" is a good definition of a NT Prophet in anyone's book.
This has been something that CLC has done for years(at least early 90s if not late 80s). There has been more done for young men at this retreat then you will probably do in a hundred years...take your cheap backseat potshots elsewhere...blockhead
I know one thing. The office of Prophet will never be printed on your cloak...
Pastor Keith
06-09-2007, 09:25 PM
I'm shocked that "more on than off" is a good definition of a NT Prophet in anyone's book.
When you started teaching, did you know everything, I assume you didn't therefore under your definition of prophetic accuracy, you wouldn't be a good or accurate teacher. Or how about people who change what they teach, now mind you teacher is a gift of the spirit and draws from the same well as the prophet.
When you started teaching, did you know everything, I assume you didn't therefore under your definition of prophetic accuracy, you wouldn't be a good or accurate teacher. Or how about people who change what they teach, now mind you teacher is a gift of the spirit and draws from the same well as the prophet.
I think you miss the essence of the office of a prophet. It cannot and should not be compared to that of a teacher.
Teachers are generally teaching Word and scriptural principles. The prophet is declaring or revealing something directly from God, often outside of a textual reference. In that moment, he becomes God's direct voice to an individual or group.
God's voice doesn't miss.
Ever.
mizpeh
06-09-2007, 09:39 PM
I think you miss the essence of the office of a prophet. It cannot and should not be compared to that of a teacher.
Teachers are generally teaching Word and scriptural principles. The prophet is declaring or revealing something directly from God, often outside of a textual reference. In that moment, he becomes God's direct voice to an individual or group.
God's voice doesn't miss.
Ever.
Amen!
Pastor Keith
06-09-2007, 09:40 PM
I think you miss the essence of the office of a prophet. It cannot and should not be compared to that of a teacher.
Teachers are generally teaching Word and scriptural principles. The prophet is declaring or revealing something directly from God, often outside of a textual reference. In that moment, he becomes God's direct voice to an individual or group.
God's voice doesn't miss.
Ever.
God's voice never misses, but people miss God's voice, that is why in I Cor 14 the prophets judge. Note I Cor. 13 also says that prophecy is in part as well, and we see through the glass darkly...
Look at what the NT says about false teachers (which is the NT equivalent to the OT prophet)
2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
Pastor Keith
06-09-2007, 09:42 PM
I'm shocked that "more on than off" is a good definition of a NT Prophet in anyone's book.
I meant to say there will be a track record of accurate words, in other words credibility.
God's voice never misses, but people miss God's voice, that is why in I Cor 14 the prophets judge.... I would agree that prophesies need to be judged.
...Note I Cor. 13 also says that prophecy is in part as well, and we see through the glass darkly.... So this means that the NT prophet only hears from God correctly part of the time and the remainder he is incorrect in his prophecies?
HUGE LEAP.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, my friend.
BoredOutOfMyMind
06-09-2007, 09:57 PM
:lol:lol:killinme
BOOM, you must be a NT Prophet! That declaration just moved your correct "thus sayeths" into the 51% percentile. You are now "more on than off!"
Congrats!!
:D
Ya Think I can go around the country doing this and get invited next year?
(I am not related to NH, so I doubt it)
Love to stay and chat, but I need to spend some more time hearing from God for tomorrow morning.
Good conversation.
Pastor Keith
06-09-2007, 10:00 PM
I would agree that prophesies need to be judged.
So this means that the NT prophet only hears from God correctly part of the time and the remainder he is incorrect in his prophecies?
HUGE LEAP.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, my friend.
No, but that there is the possiblity that the prophet will not see or hear correctly.
Look, there is no excuse for misuse or abuse, but if you are wanting 100% accuracy before you accept the legitimate role or gift then you won't see it, and if try to tell me that you know one who is that accurate, then you don't know them very well.
...if you are wanting 100% accuracy before you accept the legitimate role or gift then you won't see it, and if try to tell me that you know one who is that accurate, then you don't know them very well.
Bro Keith, please reread post #48.
Good night and God bless!
Pastor Keith
06-09-2007, 10:09 PM
Any comments??
I think that what I know about the group coming Arcovio is most likely the only prophet or prophetic person in that group. I don't know Maddux or the Romo guy, everyone else I have heard or know personally.
Steve Epley
06-10-2007, 09:23 PM
The test of a true prophet...
Deut 18:20-22 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.' 21 And if you say in your heart, 'How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?' — 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. (NKJV)
Now there is a thought.:sly
Steve Epley
06-10-2007, 09:25 PM
Yes, we are saying that.
They ain't prophets they are guessers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD GRIEF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve Epley
06-10-2007, 09:30 PM
This has to be one of the most silliest threads I have read in my entire time on forums. Hit and miss prophets that are real?????????????????
ONE TIME wrong makes a guy a false prophet.
berkeley
06-10-2007, 09:38 PM
This has to be one of the most silliest threads I have read in my entire time on forums. Hit and miss prophets that are real?????????????????
ONE TIME wrong makes a guy a false prophet.
If a guy misses once, will the Lord stop speaking to him? :hmmm
Steve Epley
06-10-2007, 09:43 PM
If a guy misses once, will the Lord stop speaking to him? :hmmm
No He will tell him to shut up and quit lying on Him.:sly
berkeley
06-10-2007, 09:44 PM
No He will tell him to shut up and quit lying on Him.:sly
ok..
CupCake
06-10-2007, 10:10 PM
I picked up a Herald, something I haven't done in at least a year, and was browsing a Special Issue recently put out. I noticed that there is a "School of Prophets" conference going to be held in Stockton at Christian Life on July 23-27.
The listed preachers are Nathaniel Haney, Eli Lopez, Lee Stoneking, John Arcovio, Matt Maddix, Anthony Romo, and Ronnie Mullings.
My question is simple. Where are the Prophets?? Did they forget to list them?
I rather dine on $ 400.00 Lobster~
LaGirl
06-10-2007, 10:23 PM
bro barnes always said, "If one calls himself a prophet...he probably isnt one."
bro barnes always said, "If one calls himself a prophet...he probably isnt one."
.....
Pastor Keith
06-11-2007, 12:36 AM
This has to be one of the most silliest threads I have read in my entire time on forums. Hit and miss prophets that are real?????????????????
ONE TIME wrong makes a guy a false prophet.
I guess Agabus missed it then, he said the Jews would bind Paul, wrong it was the Romans that bound him.
IF there was the possiblity of being wrong then why invitation to judge prophetic words (I Cor.14) hold fast to the good (I Thess. 5), amazing in the light of your narrow view on prophetic gifts, the Apostle Paul wanted these carnal, gifts run amuck Corinthinan Church members to prophesy more than already were, more than they spoke in tongues, even told them to pray for these unique, narrowly defined, possible stoning offence, if wrong, run the risk of being labeled a false prophet, words from the Lord.
I think this thread has turned into a personal attack against Keith
I'm staying out of it I know he can defend himself.
i look at it like this, If more than one person witnesses an accident or a crime, they may both see this event but describe it differently. because they are human, they may interput something wrong. same thing with prophecy. it is subject to human error because it's coming thru a human vessel.
Steve Epley
06-11-2007, 08:32 AM
I guess Agabus missed it then, he said the Jews would bind Paul, wrong it was the Romans that bound him.
IF there was the possiblity of being wrong then why invitation to judge prophetic words (I Cor.14) hold fast to the good (I Thess. 5), amazing in the light of your narrow view on prophetic gifts, the Apostle Paul wanted these carnal, gifts run amuck Corinthinan Church members to prophesy more than already were, more than they spoke in tongues, even told them to pray for these unique, narrowly defined, possible stoning offence, if wrong, run the risk of being labeled a false prophet, words from the Lord.
Again your wrong the Jews had him bound the Romans just did it for them. What a flimsy excuse to cover for a bunch of guessers claiming to be prophets that only have the gifts of suspiction and exagerration.
True prophecy does NOT hit and miss like a horiscope.
Pastor Keith
06-11-2007, 09:13 AM
Again your wrong the Jews had him bound the Romans just did it for them. What a flimsy excuse to cover for a bunch of guessers claiming to be prophets that only have the gifts of suspiction and exagerration.
True prophecy does NOT hit and miss like a horiscope.
Look this will most likely be my last post on this thread, I feel like I am telling someone about the joys of flyfishing when they are convinced that bait casting is the only way to fish.
I don't think prophets should hit or miss, my point was the prophets will miss because they are human.
When was the last time you told someone God will heal you, and they didn't get healed. Did that make you a false prophet?
Or when you told yourself that you feel God in something and it turned out not to be the right decision.
I have a different take on Deut. 18, when its emphasis on Moses and his likeness to Jesus Christ and no one can take their place I think v.15 highlights that. But strong meat belongs to those who have exercised their senses and clearly there are many on here that......
You didn't respond to my posts about I Cor 14 or I Thess. 5, Steve you are prejudiced against most gifts or only allow a very a narrow expression of them, I won't be the one to change your mind on this so we will have to disagree on it and leave it alone.
I think this thread has turned into a personal attack against Keith....
I have not seen any personal attack. It's a discussion about the biblical office of the prophet. Because we don't agree, does not mean there is a personal attack.
you can say what ever about JA, but ive seen the guy, spent personal time with the guy, and he is as real as it gets.
I dont know about "misses" but I do know about the spirit that guy has. he is a humble Jesus Name Holiness preacher that has helped many.
Steve Epley
06-11-2007, 09:35 AM
Look this will most likely be my last post on this thread, I feel like I am telling someone about the joys of flyfishing when they are convinced that bait casting is the only way to fish.
I don't think prophets should hit or miss, my point was the prophets will miss because they are human.
When was the last time you told someone God will heal you, and they didn't get healed. Did that make you a false prophet?
Or when you told yourself that you feel God in something and it turned out not to be the right decision.
I have a different take on Deut. 18, when its emphasis on Moses and his likeness to Jesus Christ and no one can take their place I think v.15 highlights that. But strong meat belongs to those who have exercised their senses and clearly there are many on here that......
You didn't respond to my posts about I Cor 14 or I Thess. 5, Steve you are prejudiced against most gifts or only allow a very a narrow expression of them, I won't be the one to change your mind on this so we will have to disagree on it and leave it alone.
Keith you are wrong on several points:
1. If I told someone God told me personally they were healed they had better be healed. And for your information that has happened on more than one occasion.
2. I do not go around claiming I FEEL God in stuff. Either I have a direct word from Him or I don't. I do not invoke the name of God to buy cheerios at the grocery store. I am not into hocus pocus stuff. I was raised in Kentucky where this foolishness was the norm. NOT IMPRESSED.
3. I believe gifts are judged by the passages you cite so where is the argument. If they missed I would sit them down. Gifts are not a spiritual lottery game.
4. I am NOT prejudiced against genuine spiritual gifts. I have prophecied-gave messages in tongues-interpeted-discerned spirits- having been given at times both the word of wisdom &* knowledge-saw healings-miracles and faith in my small ministry. NO ONE that knows me would agree with you assessment. I do NOT believe in foolishness purporting to be spiritual gifts that hit and miss, using guessing to make someone think I am a spiritual guru of somekind. I HATE the circus atmosphere found in services where the so-called prophet calls out folks to say LOOK AT ME. I have had men and women give me prophecies and I have acted on them. I know men thatif they told me God said I would stand at attention but I am not the least bit impressed with the assembly line prophets that always are giving folks blessing and never pick up on adultery and fornication.
Outside of these differences we agree.:sly
tamor
06-11-2007, 09:54 AM
I am not the least bit impressed with the assembly line prophets that always are giving folks blessing and never pick up on adultery and fornication.:sly
Don't pick up on it or don't do anything about it?
My husband and I talk about this. When you read about the prophets in the Bible, they weren't always passing out the candy. People hated them and wanted to kill them because they told it like it was.
LaVonne
06-11-2007, 09:55 AM
you can say what ever about JA, but ive seen the guy, spent personal time with the guy, and he is as real as it gets.
I dont know about "misses" but I do know about the spirit that guy has. he is a humble Jesus Name Holiness preacher that has helped many.
Ferd,
I think there are many on this forum who know at least one of the men listed...know them like you know JA, and feel the same way you do. I feel like this thread is in very poor taste.
revrandy
06-11-2007, 09:56 AM
Don't pick up on it or don't do anything about it?
My husband and I talk about this. When you read about the prophets in the Bible, they weren't always passing out the candy. People hated them and wanted to kill them because they told it like it was.
Some folks desire the gift but not the responsibilty... I think... they prefer the Glory over the Sacrifice...
I think there are some that possess these gifts and are used by God... there are many who either ride on coattails... or pretend and guess...
imo...
tamor
06-11-2007, 10:01 AM
Some folks desire the gift but not the responsibilty... I think... they prefer the Glory over the Sacrifice...
I think there are some that possess these gifts and are used by God... there are many who either ride on coattails... or pretend and guess...
imo...
Good points. I have not read this entire thread. I have read a few posts here and there but I caught Epleys last one.
I most certainly believe in the office of the prophet and I believe in the prophetic ministry. I just wonder where the prophets are who will take that responsibility and not just the fluff.
LaGirl
06-11-2007, 10:07 AM
Ferd,
I think there are many on this forum who know at least one of the men listed...know them like you know JA, and feel the same way you do. I feel like this thread is in very poor taste.
i agree
Monkeyman
06-11-2007, 12:32 PM
I know one thing. The office of Prophet will never be printed on your cloak...
It was a response to defend friends...thanks for the low blow, btw, I have never aspired that position, I'm happy to serve how He has asked.
Since you like to talk about your dad a lot, here's my story..see my avatar? Thats MY dad, a successfull businessman who was the FIRST to take out a personal loan to pay for the first CLC building. After him, others lined up and through great sacrifice, built a MIGHTY church. That is him singing at the groundbreaking ceremony. He also donated the labor and services to put in the first parking lot, which was at that time a huge sacrifice...you would know if you have seen it.....for these and many other reasons I will defend CLC, their pastors and their motives. Have they made mistakes? Probably. Who hasn't...well except for Elder Epley's prophets, he he
Monkeyman
06-11-2007, 12:34 PM
Some folks desire the gift but not the responsibilty... I think... they prefer the Glory over the Sacrifice...
I think there are some that possess these gifts and are used by God... there are many who either ride on coattails... or pretend and guess...
imo...Where do you attend church?
Monkeyman
06-11-2007, 12:51 PM
Where do you attend church?Bump for Randy...
monkey man, I too was there during the early years of this conference.
what set it apart was that those who came, didn't come to out dress anyone, it wasn't your typical UPC conference which is basically a social scene. they came and camped out and sought God from morning to night.
for some reason (maybe Than's sickness??- not sure) they stopped having this conference. i wasn't even aware that it was taking place.
I do recall David Grey coming- He did not like the name of the conference and wanted it changed. He said the name "SOP" was too similar to the Latter rain Era that caused such an uproar back in his time. I never knew why Than persisted in calling it that even at the request of DG asking him to change it
Monkeyman
06-11-2007, 12:54 PM
monkey man, I too was there during the early years of this conference.
what set it apart was that those who came, didn't come to out dress anyone, it wasn't your typical UPC conference which is basically a social scene. they came and camped out and sought God from morning to night.
for some reason (maybe Than's sickness??- not sure) they stopped having this conference. i wasn't even aware that it was taking place.
I do recall David Grey coming- He did not like the name of the conference and wanted it changed. He said the name "SOP" was too similar to the Latter rain Era that caused such an uproar back in his time. I never knew why Than persisted in calling it that even at the request of DG asking him to change itOkay, thats fine but....WHERE DOES RANDY GO TO CHURCH??????????????
revrandy
06-11-2007, 01:02 PM
Okay, thats fine but....WHERE DOES RANDY GO TO CHURCH??????????????
Not CLC...
Monkeyman
06-11-2007, 01:03 PM
Not CLC...
Duh, that's not a announcement...where do you go...its easy to answer...like, "Hi my name is Jon, I attend Capital Community Church" sorta like that big fella!
Okay, thats fine but....WHERE DOES RANDY GO TO CHURCH??????????????
that's a Question that only RANDY can answer !! ! :killinme:lol:killinme
revrandy
06-11-2007, 01:06 PM
Duh, that's not a announcement...where do you go...its easy to answer...like, "Hi my name is Jon, I attend Capital Community Church" sorta like that big fella!
Apostolic First Church of Redeemed Say So...
:D
Monkeyman
06-11-2007, 01:07 PM
yeah, what channel is that on? Its ok, I'll ask the Bishop about you and I don't mean bishop1
revrandy
06-11-2007, 01:07 PM
Duh, that's not a announcement...where do you go...its easy to answer...like, "Hi my name is Jon, I attend Capital Community Church" sorta like that big fella!
yeah, what channel is that on? Its ok, I'll ask the Bishop about you and I don't mean bishop1
Bishop Jr??
Monkeyman
06-11-2007, 01:13 PM
Bishop Jr??Naw, I go to the TOOOP! heheeeee!
revrandy
06-11-2007, 01:14 PM
Naw, I go to the TOOOP! heheeeee!
Tell Sis. Joy I said Hello!! :lol
Pastor Keith
06-11-2007, 01:30 PM
monkey man, I too was there during the early years of this conference.
what set it apart was that those who came, didn't come to out dress anyone, it wasn't your typical UPC conference which is basically a social scene. they came and camped out and sought God from morning to night.
for some reason (maybe Than's sickness??- not sure) they stopped having this conference. i wasn't even aware that it was taking place.
I do recall David Grey coming- He did not like the name of the conference and wanted it changed. He said the name "SOP" was too similar to the Latter rain Era that caused such an uproar back in his time. I never knew why Than persisted in calling it that even at the request of DG asking him to change it
Thad,
I was privy to the original discussion about this, me and Nathaniel actually sat in the room and discussed it. We got it from the OT story of course, but another large Charismatic organization in the late 80's was using it, we even did the name check to make sure it was available. Sent in the forms to reservce the name.
Matter of fact if he didn't keep reserving it, I was going to get it. I think it is a cool name and I have always liked it.
Keith
revrandy
06-11-2007, 01:33 PM
Thad,
I was privy to the original discussion about this, me and Nathaniel actually sat in the room and discussed it. We got it from the OT story of course, but another large Charismatic organization in the late 80's was using it, we even did the name check to make sure it was available. Sent in the forms to reservce the name.
Matter of fact if he didn't keep reserving it, I was going to get it. I think it is a cool name and I have always liked it.
Keith
Didn't the Conference kind of peter out tho.. because they basically had the same speakers year after year??
Pastor Keith
06-11-2007, 01:36 PM
Didn't the Conference kind of peter out tho.. because they basically had the same speakers year after year??
Yeah, lost is orginal purpose in my mind, I do feel like I can speak about this, I was there from the beginning. Even bought the food that we took to the mountains, the big Army tent, hauled everything up there, etc. I was there so I should know.
Thad,
I was privy to the original discussion about this, me and Nathaniel actually sat in the room and discussed it. We got it from the OT story of course, but another large Charismatic organization in the late 80's was using it, we even did the name check to make sure it was available. Sent in the forms to reservce the name.
Matter of fact if he didn't keep reserving it, I was going to get it. I think it is a cool name and I have always liked it.
Keith
okay but it's also true that david Grey was wary of the name and really even the whole prophetic thing.
Pastor Keith
06-11-2007, 01:40 PM
okay but it's also true that david Grey was wary of the name and really even the whole prophetic thing.
Yeah, but times have changed, I remember Bro. Gray preached that wonderful message "Spiritual Bastards", it was classic.
So, with the school of Prophets restarting, are they still staying in the dorms, praying early in the A.M etc . like they did in the beginning ?
revrandy
06-11-2007, 01:44 PM
So, with the school of Prophets restarting, are they still staying in the dorms, praying early in the A.M etc . like they did in the beginning ?
I heard they weren't to bath for 30 days before the conference and bring their leather girdles, sackcloth and some ash.. (but they said ash would be provided after the BBQ on the grounds)
Pastor Keith
06-11-2007, 01:54 PM
So, with the school of Prophets restarting, are they still staying in the dorms, praying early in the A.M etc . like they did in the beginning ?
I am sure that they will but my only issue with these types of conferences in our movement is the don't do much in the impartation and activation portion.
That is the missing part. Teach on it, then show us how to do it, then watch us do it and then we are off on our own.
There is a dearth of this in Oneness Pentecostalism.
The function of a teacher is not simply to teach put to teach others how to teach, the same way with prophets, and evanglists.
We do this all the time with Pastors (the really only recognized gift in the UPC) why not with the other gifts?
SoCaliUPC
06-11-2007, 01:57 PM
Yeah, but times have changed, I remember Bro. Gray preached that wonderful message "Spiritual Bastards", it was classic.
I remember when he preached it here to his congregation. I remember the faces when he said the word "bastard".
SISTER Murphy
06-11-2007, 04:06 PM
I guess Agabus missed it then, he said the Jews would bind Paul, wrong it was the Romans that bound him.
IF there was the possiblity of being wrong then why invitation to judge prophetic words (I Cor.14) hold fast to the good (I Thess. 5), amazing in the light of your narrow view on prophetic gifts, the Apostle Paul wanted these carnal, gifts run amuck Corinthinan Church members to prophesy more than already were, more than they spoke in tongues, even told them to pray for these unique, narrowly defined, possible stoning offence, if wrong, run the risk of being labeled a false prophet, words from the Lord.
You make an assumption from what the scripture DOESN'T say:
And all the city was moved, and the people ran together: and they took Paul, and drew him out of the temple: and forthwith the doors were shut.
[31] And as they went about to kill him, tidings came unto the chief captain of the band, that all Jerusalem was in an uproar.
[32] Who immediately took soldiers and centurions, and ran down unto them: and when they saw the chief captain and the soldiers, they left beating of Paul.
[33] Then the chief captain came near, and took him, and commanded him to be bound with two chains; and demanded who he was, and what he had done.
I would say that the Jews had already bound him (as they were beating him, and it can be rather difficult to hit a moving target); it was the Romans who commanded Paul bound with two chains (additional restraint, because the Word of God is not in error)
Steve Epley
06-11-2007, 04:13 PM
Y'all are late William Sowders started the School of Prophets in 1914 on the Ohio Rvier and the junk still remains.
Monkeyman
06-11-2007, 05:39 PM
It wasn't junk, just a bunch of young fellas wanting to be used and get closer to Him..that's all.
berkeley
06-11-2007, 05:40 PM
It wasn't junk, just a bunch of young fellas wanting to be used and get closer to Him..that's all.
couldn't imagine someone would have a problem with that...
Monkeyman
06-11-2007, 05:44 PM
couldn't imagine someone would have a problem with that...yeah, go figure! Imagine the whuppin Jesus would get today!!! He'd be outcast to the back pew....not for long, hehe!
Pastor Keith
06-11-2007, 06:08 PM
You make an assumption from what the scripture DOESN'T say:
And all the city was moved, and the people ran together: and they took Paul, and drew him out of the temple: and forthwith the doors were shut.
[31] And as they went about to kill him, tidings came unto the chief captain of the band, that all Jerusalem was in an uproar.
[32] Who immediately took soldiers and centurions, and ran down unto them: and when they saw the chief captain and the soldiers, they left beating of Paul.
[33] Then the chief captain came near, and took him, and commanded him to be bound with two chains; and demanded who he was, and what he had done.
I would say that the Jews had already bound him (as they were beating him, and it can be rather difficult to hit a moving target); it was the Romans who commanded Paul bound with two chains (additional restraint, because the Word of God is not in error)
Well as long as we are discussing theology, lets use a common law from Hermeneutics, the arguement from Silence, seeing that we do not have every prophecy uttered in the NT we really can't assume that prophets or those that gave prophetic words didn't give accurate words.
But we can assume that there was that possiblity, thus the admonitions to test and judge (discern) words from God.
Steve Epley
06-11-2007, 06:09 PM
It wasn't junk, just a bunch of young fellas wanting to be used and get closer to Him..that's all.
William Sowders and the School of Prophet movement is NOT junk then what would qualify?
SISTER Murphy
06-12-2007, 03:37 PM
Well as long as we are discussing theology, lets use a common law from Hermeneutics, the arguement from Silence, seeing that we do not have every prophecy uttered in the NT we really can't assume that prophets or those that gave prophetic words didn't give accurate words.
But we can assume that there was that possiblity, thus the admonitions to test and judge (discern) words from God.
But, we can use the same argument from silence, and thereby assert that prophets in the New Testament gave accurate words. We could also assume that, because the Old Testament principle is never directly revised in New Testament teaching, it is still in effect. Thus the importance of understanding the difference between the gift of prophecy and the office of the prophet.
I infer from Paul's teaching to the church at Corinth that it was not uncommon to have more than one prophet in an assembly (or at least, in the Corinthian church):
I Corinthians 14:29-33
Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Monkeyman
06-12-2007, 04:02 PM
William Sowders and the School of Prophet movement is NOT junk then what would qualify?I wasn't addressing Sowder elder, just the young men in Stockton and their meetings.
Pastor Keith
06-12-2007, 05:13 PM
But, we can use the same argument from silence, and thereby assert that prophets in the New Testament gave accurate words. We could also assume that, because the Old Testament principle is never directly revised in New Testament teaching, it is still in effect. Thus the importance of understanding the difference between the gift of prophecy and the office of the prophet.
I infer from Paul's teaching to the church at Corinth that it was not uncommon to have more than one prophet in an assembly (or at least, in the Corinthian church):
I Corinthians 14:29-33
Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
It's not in effect when it comes to the gift of prophecy/prophets, or the penalty would be effect also.
The manifestation of this gift might be similar but the function and and usage under the new convenant altogether has changed. Thus all can prophesy Joel 2:28; I Cor. 14; I Peter
That passage in Deut.18 has to do with the office of Moses and anyone who would come after him who would draw away from the worship of the one true God, v15 details this.
mfblume
06-12-2007, 05:30 PM
I picked up a Herald, something I haven't done in at least a year, and was browsing a Special Issue recently put out. I noticed that there is a "School of Prophets" conference going to be held in Stockton at Christian Life on July 23-27.
The listed preachers are Nathaniel Haney, Eli Lopez, Lee Stoneking, John Arcovio, Matt Maddix, Anthony Romo, and Ronnie Mullings.
My question is simple. Where are the Prophets?? Did they forget to list them?
Morton Bustard is not listed!!!!!!! Say it isn't so!
Pastor Keith
06-12-2007, 07:02 PM
Morton Bustard is not listed!!!!!!! Say it isn't so!
I think your relative and my friend has fallen out of favor, sad because he was there at the beginning, as was I, but I didn't get a invitation either.
ReformedDave
06-12-2007, 07:37 PM
I think your relative and my friend has fallen out of favor, sad because he was there at the beginning, as was I, but I didn't get a invitation either.
They even had my dad and Paul Price one time....
mizpeh
06-12-2007, 07:43 PM
They even had my dad and Paul Price one time....
Who's your dad, RD?
ReformedDave
06-12-2007, 07:48 PM
Who's your dad, RD?
The late David F. Gray from San Diego. He was a fairly well known UPC minister.
mizpeh
06-12-2007, 08:01 PM
The late David F. Gray from San Diego. He was a fairly well known UPC minister.
I'm sorry for your loss but you have someone special in glory waiting for you.
ReformedDave
06-12-2007, 08:08 PM
I'm sorry for your loss but you have someone special in glory waiting for you.
I hope so........
Monkeyman
06-13-2007, 04:45 PM
I'm sorry for your loss but you have someone special in glory waiting for you.Mizpeh, RD's father is considered one of the most deep thinking ministers in our org...EVER! He was the most brilliant, articulate preacher and yet he could bring it down to our level with a great anointing. He is missed for sure and there won't be too many around like him. He was the uncle of Bishop Haney.
Monkeyman
06-13-2007, 04:46 PM
And, RD's brain ain't too bad either, hehe
Monkeyman
06-13-2007, 04:49 PM
Morton Bustard is not listed!!!!!!! Say it isn't so!MB and TFT are coming to our city in the Fall for the very first, "Prophetic Thunder". For those of you who care, please be in prayer over our city, Fredericton, New Brunswick Canada. That God would breathe over us a wonderful move of His Spirit. Thanks
ReformedDave
06-13-2007, 04:52 PM
And, RD's brain ain't too bad either, hehe
I'll pay you later!!!
Monkeyman
06-13-2007, 04:55 PM
I'll pay you later!!!I'll take it in the form of chicken tacos at Old Town Cafe, heeheeeee!
ReformedDave
06-13-2007, 05:33 PM
I'll take it in the form of chicken tacos at Old Town Cafe, heeheeeee!
Come on down!
mizpeh
06-13-2007, 08:01 PM
MB and TFT are coming to our city in the Fall for the very first, "Prophetic Thunder". For those of you who care, please be in prayer over our city, Fredericton, New Brunswick Canada. That God would breathe over us a wonderful move of His Spirit. Thanks
I'd like to go to these meetings. A friend in my church is from McAdam, NB and, Lord willing, we will drive up from Portland.
Can you pm me the info or your church website if it is on there as well?
mizpeh
06-13-2007, 08:02 PM
And, RD's brain ain't too bad either, hehe
Yes, it didn't take me too long to figure that out by reading his posts.
Charlie Brown
06-14-2007, 12:44 PM
Ferd,
I think there are many on this forum who know at least one of the men listed...know them like you know JA, and feel the same way you do. I feel like this thread is in very poor taste.
This thread is not meant to be "poor taste". I simply do not believe any of these men listed are filling the office of Prophet. Never said they were bad men. I just wondered how you have a "School of Prophets" when there are no Prophets teaching.
Of course some are now saying that a New Testament Prophet is not the same as an Old Testament Prophet, cause he can hit and miss, and still be ok. To me, I would expect the New Testament Prophet to be even more strict than the old, because he now has the Holy Ghost within him to lead him and guide him.
revrandy
06-14-2007, 01:09 PM
This thread is not meant to be "poor taste". I simply do not believe any of these men listed are filling the office of Prophet. Never said they were bad men. I just wondered how you have a "School of Prophets" when there are no Prophets teaching.
Of course some are now saying that a New Testament Prophet is not the same as an Old Testament Prophet, cause he can hit and miss, and still be ok. To me, I would expect the New Testament Prophet to be even more strict than the old, because he now has the Holy Ghost within him to lead him and guide him.
CB...Wouldn't you have expected GG to be more sensitive and knowing in the HG when he gave Borat the Microphone @ MS Camp Meeting?? ....
Charlie Brown
06-14-2007, 01:15 PM
CB...Wouldn't you have expected GG to be more sensitive and knowing in the HG when he gave Borat the Microphone @ MS Camp Meeting?? ....
Personally, I would think that if someone is flowing in the holy ghost as much as some claim to be that they would have had enough holy ghost to see a shame when it walked up. If you are being led by the Spirit, it ain't gonna steer you wrong.
By the way, is GG supposed to be a Prophet??
revrandy
06-14-2007, 01:15 PM
Personally, I would think that if someone is flowing in the holy ghost as much as some claim to be that they would have had enough holy ghost to see a shame when it walked up. If you are being led by the Spirit, it ain't gonna steer you wrong.
Amen....
and I don't think it would have taken a prophet to recognize an idiot... imo... :D
Monkeyman
06-14-2007, 02:34 PM
I'd like to go to these meetings. A friend in my church is from McAdam, NB and, Lord willing, we will drive up from Portland.
Can you pm me the info or your church website if it is on there as well?Not sure it is is on the site yet but here is my church's addy: www.capitalcommunity.ca
Be sure to let me know if your coming up, would like to meet ya...I'm through Portland all of the time!
Monkeyman
06-14-2007, 02:35 PM
Amen....
and I don't think it would have taken a prophet to recognize an idiot... imo... :DNo, no it doesn't RR, trust me on this
hehehe:lol
LaVonne
06-14-2007, 03:01 PM
This thread is not meant to be "poor taste". I simply do not believe any of these men listed are filling the office of Prophet. Never said they were bad men. I just wondered how you have a "School of Prophets" when there are no Prophets teaching.
Of course some are now saying that a New Testament Prophet is not the same as an Old Testament Prophet, cause he can hit and miss, and still be ok. To me, I would expect the New Testament Prophet to be even more strict than the old, because he now has the Holy Ghost within him to lead him and guide him.
That is simply your opinion and you are entitled to that. I just happen to disagree with you...
revrandy
06-14-2007, 03:14 PM
No, no it doesn't RR, trust me on this
hehehe:lol
:D...
Great minds think alike.....heheh..haw..
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