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Praxeas
01-22-2015, 02:38 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015/01/22/mummy-mask-papyrus-may-reveal-oldest-known-gospel/
A team of researchers made a surprising find when examining a papyrus-wrapped mummy mask -- they found what they believe to be the oldest-known copy of a gospel in existence. The researchers found a fragment of the Gospel of Mark that dates back to about 90 A.D., Live Science reports (http://www.livescience.com/49489-oldest-known-gospel-mummy-mask.html). Previously, the oldest surviving copies of Biblical gospel texts date back to 101 to 200 A.D.
MawMaw
01-22-2015, 02:59 AM
Wow, thanks for sharing!
Michael The Disciple
01-22-2015, 05:46 AM
A fragment? I wonder what it says? Does it agree with what we already have?
Bowas
01-22-2015, 07:55 AM
A fragment? I wonder what it says? Does it agree with what we already have?
What is amazing, it too is written in KJV.
What is amazing, it too is written in KJV.
You've earned a high-five for that one!
:highfive
If its fragmented, then its preterist.
mfblume
01-22-2015, 08:56 AM
If its fragmented, then its preterist.
You really need to get over that bitterness.
mfblume
01-22-2015, 08:56 AM
Woohoo! Awesome news!
thephnxman
01-22-2015, 09:15 AM
A fragment? I wonder what it says? Does it agree with what we already have?
Beloved, you have given the best answer of the day. It could be matched, but it can not be exceeded.
Disciple4life
01-22-2015, 09:28 AM
I read about this yesterday. I think more info is coming out soon. I can't wait to hear the whole story.
Pressing-On
01-22-2015, 10:12 AM
A fragment? I wonder what it says? Does it agree with what we already have?
January 18, 2015
Scholars who work on the project have to sign a nondisclosure agreement that limits what they can say publicly. There are several reasons for this agreement. One is that some of the owners of these masks simply do not want to be made known, Evans said. "The scholars who are working on this project have to honor the request of the museums, universities, private owners, so forth."
Evans says that the text was dated through a combination of carbon-14 dating, studying the handwriting on the fragment and studying the other documents found along with the gospel. These considerations led the researchers to conclude that the fragment was written before the year 90. With the nondisclosure agreement in place, Evans said that he can't say much more about the text's date until the papyrus is published.
Although the first-century gospel fragment is small, the text will provide clues as to whether the Gospel of Mark changed over time, Evans said.
http://www.livescience.com/49489-oldest-known-gospel-mummy-mask.html
Esaias
01-22-2015, 11:37 AM
I am Marcus Hippocerebrus, a Centurian of the Italian Band. I remember being stationed in Syria one time. Met lots of populus neaticus (neat people) while there. Met this woman, too. Crazy girl! She ran a tourist shop. Had a neat scroll. She said she got it from a travelling salesman who specialized in Mystery Texts. He had the usual stuff from Pythagoras but also a scroll from a group of people called Nazarenes. She bought the bunch.
We were having a glass of wine as she showed me the thing but the wine spilled and ruined it. I told her to just rewrite it cause nobody would know the difference. Course she was barely literate plus the stains were pretty bad. I helped her rewrite it from memory. Probably goofed it up but hey who's gonna be the wiser?
She was something special. We got drunk tho... wound up spilling food all over my tunic. She tore off a piece of our "reconstruction" and used it as a wrag to wipe off the food. Sure enough it somehow wound up folded up in my tunic...
Ah, she was one special babe. Think I'll keep that scroll piece as a momento of our good times. Probably have it buried with me when I die...
KeptByTheWord
01-22-2015, 01:13 PM
I wonder what it says, and how they know it is from the gospel of Mark.
Michael The Disciple
01-22-2015, 02:46 PM
I am Marcus Hippocerebrus, a Centurian of the Italian Band. I remember being stationed in Syria one time. Met lots of populus neaticus (neat people) while there. Met this woman, too. Crazy girl! She ran a tourist shop. Had a neat scroll. She said she got it from a travelling salesman who specialized in Mystery Texts. He had the usual stuff from Pythagoras but also a scroll from a group of people called Nazarenes. She bought the bunch.
We were having a glass of wine as she showed me the thing but the wine spilled and ruined it. I told her to just rewrite it cause nobody would know the difference. Course she was barely literate plus the stains were pretty bad. I helped her rewrite it from memory. Probably goofed it up but hey who's gonna be the wiser?
She was something special. We got drunk tho... wound up spilling food all over my tunic. She tore off a piece of our "reconstruction" and used it as a wrag to wipe off the food. Sure enough it somehow wound up folded up in my tunic...
Ah, she was one special babe. Think I'll keep that scroll piece as a momento of our good times. Probably have it buried with me when I die...
Point taken.
KeptByTheWord
01-22-2015, 04:43 PM
I am Marcus Hippocerebrus, a Centurian of the Italian Band. I remember being stationed in Syria one time. Met lots of populus neaticus (neat people) while there. Met this woman, too. Crazy girl! She ran a tourist shop. Had a neat scroll. She said she got it from a travelling salesman who specialized in Mystery Texts. He had the usual stuff from Pythagoras but also a scroll from a group of people called Nazarenes. She bought the bunch.
We were having a glass of wine as she showed me the thing but the wine spilled and ruined it. I told her to just rewrite it cause nobody would know the difference. Course she was barely literate plus the stains were pretty bad. I helped her rewrite it from memory. Probably goofed it up but hey who's gonna be the wiser?
She was something special. We got drunk tho... wound up spilling food all over my tunic. She tore off a piece of our "reconstruction" and used it as a wrag to wipe off the food. Sure enough it somehow wound up folded up in my tunic...
Ah, she was one special babe. Think I'll keep that scroll piece as a momento of our good times. Probably have it buried with me when I die...
You have quite the vivid imagination, Bro. I agree... scientists can try to piece the pieces together, but doesn't mean that the ultimate decision they come to is the right one.
Pressing-On
01-22-2015, 05:06 PM
You have quite the vivid imagination, Bro. I agree... scientists can try to piece the pieces together, but doesn't mean that the ultimate decision they come to is the right one.
It will be interesting to see if the small portion of text matches the Gospel of Mark. If not, I still want findings to be verified no matter how many turn up and no matter how many are wrong.
My imagination is that this person (regular guy evidenced by his having a paper mask and not gold) had the text because he was interested in what he was hearing about - people repenting, being baptized in this man's name (Jesus Christ) Holy Ghost infilling, people being healed. Having never given his life to God, he still retains a copy of the text, which subsequently is used to wrap his dead face.
I think it's interesting and will be curious in what the evidence shows.
Praxeas
01-22-2015, 05:31 PM
What is amazing, it too is written in KJV.
:heeheehee
What is amazing, it too is written in KJV.
1 Corinthians 14:38
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But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
Scott Pitta
01-22-2015, 07:49 PM
It has yet to be published. So the public has no access to it to study and translate. Peer review will provide the best survey of age and content.
Yes, I am excited. But I am very interested with studying the document.
Walks_in_islam
01-22-2015, 08:33 PM
Why?
Scott Pitta
01-23-2015, 09:34 AM
Determining age by studying the document will have more value to me than carbon 14 dating. Which manuscript tradition does it fall into ? Was it edited ? What variant ratings are there ? Was it part of a codex ? How many letters per line ? Words contracted will also be fun to look for.
What will we find that is new ?
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