Jihad vs Crusades - Obama distorts history

[Pressing-On]

Obama distorts history of Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast.

"Unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ,” Obama said. “In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.”

Here's the facts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo#t=226

Ferd could add some good history as well.

[Pressing-On]

Bishop Jackson To Obama: ‘Frankly Sir, You Ought To Close Your Mouth’


Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/bishop-jackson-obama-frankly-sir-try-closing-mouth/#80em6IiEcIjYxWsc.99

[Esaias]

Who in the world pays any attention to the Big O?

[Pressing-On]

Who in the world pays any attention to the Big O?

When he is trying to change history, we need to. When O refers to ISIL, Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, he is referring to all the land in ancient Mesopotamia, which includes Israel. ISIS is referring to Syria and Iraq.

How did the Crusades begin? The Islamic Arabs conquered the area around the eastern shore of the Mediterranean Sea in the 600's AD. Jerusalem and other places remained under Arab rule until the 1000s. During the 1000s the Seljuk Turks, who were very fierce, swept into Turkestan in Asia, took all of Asia Minor (which is now Turkey) from the Byzantine Empire. They occupied Arab Syria, which included the Holy Land. The Turks captured Jerusalem in 1071. They then begin to interfere with Christian pilgrims who tried to visit the holy places.

In 1090's, Alexious Commnenus, the Byzantine emperor, asked Pope Urban II for help in fighting the Turks.

[Esaias]

Ever heard of the Tar Baby?

[Walks_in_islam]

Ever heard of the Tar Baby?

Brer fox, he lay low.....lol

Y'all focus on the crusades and stay as far away from the inquisition as possible

[Pressing-On]

Brer fox, he lay low.....lol

Y'all focus on the crusades and stay as far away from the inquisition as possible

You know, I haven't seen Houston posting in a while. I am starting to think that is who you are.

[shazeep]

hmm, you think they post the same?

:lol oh man, here we go...ok since no one is going to win this argument anyway, may i suggest we all practice answering like Good Samaritan would :D

[Antipas]

Any war in the name of God is an abomination.

[shazeep]

pretty obviously, ya--every war we've ever fought was for money, at least. they all are. So, war is an abomination.

[FlamingZword]

Any war in the name of God is an abomination.

How about Abraham war against the kings of the east.
How about Joshua wars in Canaan
How about the wars of David.

[Walks_in_islam]

You know, I haven't seen Houston posting in a while. I am starting to think that is who you are.

Nobody will ever, ever mistake you as being the brightest light on the street.

Houston and I have tangled more than once.

[Walks_in_islam]

How about Abraham war against the kings of the east.
How about Joshua wars in Canaan
How about the wars of David.

Moses knew how to throw a good war. "Spray and pray". I feel all patriotic now.

[Praxeas]

WII is not Houston

[Pressing-On]

WII is not Houston

Okay. :thumbsup

[anon5]

I've never really thought it was fair to compare radical Islam antics with radical Christian antics. For one thing, the Christian side deals with atrocious behavior committed hundreds of years ago. In the case of the Crusades, almost a thousand. (I won't condone what the crusaders did, but they had the same problem with terrorism that we are facing today, so keep that in mind when judging them)

Also, let's compare the intent and severity of the two. While there have been a handful of Caucasian terrorists who have committed acts out of a sense of morality, they don't specifically put a religious label on it, and its incredibly isolated. There aren't any Christian jihad camps recruiting beheaders by the thousands. Right now, the worst group Christianity has are those westboro jerks who stand at funerals and on street corners (gasp) yelling nasty things.
I think it was nostradamus who predicted that one day Christian and Muslims would go to war. According to him, the Christians would win.

[Walks_in_islam]

Right now, the worst group Christianity has are those westboro jerks who stand at funerals and on street corners (gasp) yelling nasty things.


Maybe you should research more

I will help you get started since you left this guy and this christian nutjob group out and this was two months ago.

McQuilliams, started his attack on the Mexican Consulate building and a federal courthouse shortly after 2.20am.

After firing about 200 rounds, he was killed by a single shot to the chest from a police officer as he shot at police headquarters.

Written in marker on his chest were the words, 'Let me die,' Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo said.

When police searched his rented van they found books associated with a right-wing Christian sect known as the Phineas Priesthood, which holds extremist, anti-Semitic and racist views.

Police found a copy of 'Vigilantes of Christendom,' a book describes the Phineas Priesthood as Christian guerrillas who avenge Judeo-Christian traitors.

Moral: You will find a potential terrorist anywhere you find a person who is more devoted to their religion, sect, denomination, and beliefs than devoted to God.

This is something all of us should heed.

[Esaias]

Ahhh, now we're all feeling the euphoria of standing on the high moral ground.

Enjoy it while it lasts. Hopefully we will all (WII included) live out our days in peace, pontificating our respective positions across the airwaves. And hopefully our children won't have to make the stand(s) that seem to be marching inevitably towards us (due to our and previous generations kicking several cans further on down the road).

On a side note... Islam and Christianity, in spite of their differences (and yes, those differences are major) nevertheless both religions have a common enemy... which seems to (once again) be playing us off against each other for reasons most of us not only can't imagine, but if it were boldly confessed by the guilty parties most still wouldn't believe it.

[Walks_in_islam]

I've never really thought it was fair to compare radical Islam antics with radical Christian antics.

:tissue:violin

[Praxeas]

Maybe you should research more

I will help you get started since you left this guy and this christian nutjob group out and this was two months ago.

McQuilliams, started his attack on the Mexican Consulate building and a federal courthouse shortly after 2.20am.

After firing about 200 rounds, he was killed by a single shot to the chest from a police officer as he shot at police headquarters.

Written in marker on his chest were the words, 'Let me die,' Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo said.

When police searched his rented van they found books associated with a right-wing Christian sect known as the Phineas Priesthood, which holds extremist, anti-Semitic and racist views.

Police found a copy of 'Vigilantes of Christendom,' a book describes the Phineas Priesthood as Christian guerrillas who avenge Judeo-Christian traitors.

Moral: You will find a potential terrorist anywhere you find a person who is more devoted to their religion, sect, denomination, and beliefs than devoted to God.

This is something all of us should heed.
there is still no comparison. He was alone, and groups like his are very small and further more most of these sort of nut jobs get their views not strictly from the bible but from Right wing publications like White supremacist publications..where are groups like ISIS getting theirs?

[Walks_in_islam]

there is still no comparison. He was alone, and groups like his are very small and further more most of these sort of nut jobs get their views not strictly from the bible but from Right wing publications like White supremacist publications..where are groups like ISIS getting theirs?.

Christian terrorists are better in many ways. This has been established. In this case they are WAY better because they have WAY smaller groups. Christian murderers are better too because they have purer motives. Christian heaven is better too. I forgot why. Something about sex.

With that said I did not compare them. I only noted that the westboro jerks are not the worst group using some twisted form of "christianity" as a basis for their actions and noted that a potential terrorist can be found anywhere a person who sets their religion, sect, denomination, and personal set of beliefs over God is found. I applied that comment to all.

(That is a paraphrase. Please do not pull a "that's not exactly what you said - liar" as that will become an exhausting thread.) I have plans today. LOL

ISIS definitely does not get their views strictly from the Quran LOL. We discuss this from time to time. They are still not better than christian terrorists who do not get their views strictly from the bible. I forgot why. It is not sex - that was in the "betterness of christian Paradise" discussion. I think it's skin color and because they smell and talk and look and dress funny or different.

Or maybe was that "all non-UPC" in the "betterness of UPC" threads? Man it is hard to manage the "betterness" list.

Be careful with "betterness" Prax. It's just another word for pride. That really hasn't been your thing. You're pretty cool to talk to, and keep me intellectually honest (or try) but I am not going to tangle with you on betterness.

WRITTEN Hadith was burned during the time of Mohammed and for a couple hundred years afterwards written Hadith was forbidden. When Mohammed caught people writing something other than the Quran he ordered it burned and he specifically said that the mistake made by the peoples before who rejected their scripture was that their law superceded and changed the law of God and in this there was terrible consequence.

Apologists for "Hadith over Quran" admit this but try to justify following Hadith over Quran in many convoluted and clever ways. Perhaps you should ask the folks on your other forum about this.

One of the more humorous explanations for no written Hadith during the time of Mohammed - LOL

"The Ahaadith were not compiled and codified in the time of the Prophet (PBUH) like it is today. There existed no real need for this as the companions memorised virtually every word spoken by the Prophet (PBUH). Allah Ta’ala had granted them such perfect and excellent memories that once they heard anything they used to remember it throughout their lives. The remembering of lengthy poems and the ancestral details of horses and camels bears testimony to this fact. Once Ibn Umar (RA) repeated Ahaadith to a bedouin, in order for him to memorize it well. The bedouin remarked, “Enough, once is sufficient I shall not forget it till death. I have performed 60 pilgrimages on 60 camels and I know perfectly well which Hajj I performed on which camel.”

This was the condition of the bedouins in ordinary matters and mundane talk."

ISIS justifies their actions not by the Quran, but by little bits and pieces of Hadith strung together like a few denominations string bits and pieces of scripture together to form their own doctrines then defend this violently nor not.

In this, ISIS and others are exactly alike and no betterness can be found.

[Praxeas]

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ISIS definitely does not get their views strictly from the Quran LOL.
Hadiths?

[Walks_in_islam]

Hadiths?

Except for this hadith.

“No one is entitled to punish with fire except the Creator (God) of the fire”. (Abu Dawud, Sunan, No. 2673)

Even the Hadith directly forbids burning someone to death. Don't know how they justify that.

[Praxeas]

Except for this hadith.

“No one is entitled to punish with fire except the Creator (God) of the fire”. (Abu Dawud, Sunan, No. 2673)

Even the Hadith directly forbids burning someone to death. Don't know how they justify that.
But all they have is the quran according to them. What else are they quoting?

[Praxeas]

I wonder of Muhammad is making it up as he goes along

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) sent us on military expedition telling us, "If you find such and such persons (he named two men from Quraish), burn them fire." Then we came to bid him farewell, when we wanted to set out, he said: "Previously I ordered you to burn so-and-so and so-and-so with fire, but as punishment with fire is done by none except Allah, if you capture them, kill them, (instead)."

[anon5]

Maybe you should research more

I will help you get started since you left this guy and this christian nutjob group out and this was two months ago.

McQuilliams, started his attack on the Mexican Consulate building and a federal courthouse shortly after 2.20am.

After firing about 200 rounds, he was killed by a single shot to the chest from a police officer as he shot at police headquarters.

Written in marker on his chest were the words, 'Let me die,' Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo said.

When police searched his rented van they found books associated with a right-wing Christian sect known as the Phineas Priesthood, which holds extremist, anti-Semitic and racist views.

Police found a copy of 'Vigilantes of Christendom,' a book describes the Phineas Priesthood as Christian guerrillas who avenge Judeo-Christian traitors.

Moral: You will find a potential terrorist anywhere you find a person who is more devoted to their religion, sect, denomination, and beliefs than devoted to God.

This is something all of us should heed.


Yes, I get that a rogue and sadly isolated terrorist who associates himself with Christian beliefs exist, but did he shout right before shooting, All praise to Jesus? Was he trained alongside THOUSANDS of others in a Christian jihad terrorism camp? Is he just one of countless Christian suicide bombers blowing up car after car, or kidnapping schoolgirls by the hundreds, sending them off as child brides to be raped? Yes, nonmuslims have done all these things at some point, but it PALES in size, scope and intention of the Islam brand.

Seriously, trying to put the two in the same category is like equating a dripping faucet to Niagara freaking falls.

[anon5]

Ahhh, now we're all feeling the euphoria of standing on the high moral ground.

Enjoy it while it lasts. Hopefully we will all (WII included) live out our days in peace, pontificating our respective positions across the airwaves. And hopefully our children won't have to make the stand(s) that seem to be marching inevitably towards us (due to our and previous generations kicking several cans further on down the road).

On a side note... Islam and Christianity, in spite of their differences (and yes, those differences are major) nevertheless both religions have a common enemy... which seems to (once again) be playing us off against each other for reasons most of us not only can't imagine, but if it were boldly confessed by the guilty parties most still wouldn't believe it.

Bottom line: I just couldn't follow a religion who's founder married a 9 yr old. If Jesus did that I'd never follow him. EVER.

[Walks_in_islam]

Yes, I get that a rogue and sadly isolated terrorist who associates himself with Christian beliefs exist, but did he shout right before shooting, All praise to Jesus? Was he trained alongside THOUSANDS of others in a Christian jihad terrorism camp? Is he just one of countless Christian suicide bombers blowing up car after car, or kidnapping schoolgirls by the hundreds, sending them off as child brides to be raped? Yes, nonmuslims have done all these things at some point, but it PALES in size, scope and intention of the Islam brand.

Seriously, trying to put the two in the same category is like equating a dripping faucet to Niagara freaking falls.

Who compared them? I did not. What now. Did someone threaten or challenge your "betterness"? I did not do that either.

[Walks_in_islam]

I wonder of Muhammad is making it up as he goes along

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) sent us on military expedition telling us, "If you find such and such persons (he named two men from Quraish), burn them fire." Then we came to bid him farewell, when we wanted to set out, he said: "Previously I ordered you to burn so-and-so and so-and-so with fire, but as punishment with fire is done by none except Allah, if you capture them, kill them, (instead)."

Punishment by fire is forbidden.

So how it is justified I am not sure. Even the Quran in one instance adminishes Mohammed for making things lawful which are not. Which is why Mohammed himself instructed Hadith to be destroyed and that no books were to be written except for the Quran.

[Walks_in_islam]

Bottom line: I just couldn't follow a religion who's founder married a 9 yr old. If Jesus did that I'd never follow him. EVER.

In present time you wouldnt follow Jesus just because He had long hair.

Jesus had many opportunities to speak on marriage law and marriage practices and these are missing not only from His time but for the entire period of history covered in the bible.

If it is there go get it and post chapter and verse on it.

[anon5]

In present time you wouldnt follow Jesus just because He had long hair.

Jesus had many opportunities to speak on marriage law and marriage practices and these are missing not only from His time but for the entire period of history covered in the bible.

If it is there go get it and post chapter and verse on it.

Actually, Jesus DIDN'T have long hair. Many paintings abound that show him with long hair, but he condemned long hair on men calling it shameful. If I read correctly on the practice, Hebrew males were not to cut the end of their beards, and their hair was to grow no further than the coller area. In other words, they took a knife and cut it right before it hit the shoulders.
If he HADN'T addressed hair at all and it was proven his hair was "long", it wouldn't have stopped me from following him because his life was pure, his deeds compassionate and miraculous and he wasn't a sex pervert like many religious leaders and prophets constantly cropping up throughout history.

[anon5]

In present time you wouldnt follow Jesus just because He had long hair.

Jesus had many opportunities to speak on marriage law and marriage practices and these are missing not only from His time but for the entire period of history covered in the bible.

If it is there go get it and post chapter and verse on it.

Actually, Jesus DIDN'T have long hair. Many paintings abound that show him with long hair, but he condemned long hair on men calling it shameful. If I read correctly on the practice, Hebrew males were not to cut the end of their beards, and their hair was to grow no further than the coller area. In other words, they took a knife and cut it right before it hit the shoulders.
If he HADN'T addressed hair at all and it was proven his hair was "long", it wouldn't have stopped me from following him because his life was pure, his deeds compassionate and miraculous and he wasn't a sex pervert like many religious leaders and prophets constantly being reported out there.

[Walks_in_islam]

Actually, Jesus DIDN'T have long hair. Many paintings abound that show him with long hair, but he condemned long hair on men calling it shameful. If I read correctly on the practice, Hebrew males were not to cut the end of their beards, and their hair was to grow no further than the coller area. In other words, they took a knife and cut it right before it hit the shoulders.
If he HADN'T addressed hair at all and it was proven his hair was "long", it wouldn't have stopped me from following him because his life was pure, his deeds compassionate and miraculous and he wasn't a sex pervert like many religious leaders and prophets constantly being reported out there.

In your excitement to post misleading stuff you doubled down.

http://www.thenazareneway.com/likeness_of_our_saviour.htm

Not what this letter from Pilate said. Said wavy and hanging around the shoulders.
Romans recorded every mundane thing it seems.
I dont remember Jesus mentioning hair length. Please share that verse with us. Sounds like you might be pulling a fast one there general.

Innocently wondering if you perhaps have another source? For appearance of Jesus I mean? Did any of the apostles mention it or write it down maybe? Check maybe some of the banned gospels? Thomas? Others?

At any rate did you get that chapter and verse about marriage age? Still waiting on that too.
Note: I'm not actually the right one to quote made up verses to. Nice try.

[Walks_in_islam]

Yes, I get that a rogue and sadly isolated terrorist who associates himself with Christian beliefs exist, but did he shout right before shooting, All praise to Jesus? Was he trained alongside THOUSANDS of others in a Christian jihad terrorism camp? Is he just one of countless Christian suicide bombers blowing up car after car, or kidnapping schoolgirls by the hundreds, sending them off as child brides to be raped? Yes, nonmuslims have done all these things at some point, but it PALES in size, scope and intention of the Islam brand.

Seriously, trying to put the two in the same category is like equating a dripping faucet to Niagara freaking falls.

You really dont have much of a leg to stand on sport considering that our forefathers, after centuries of religious persecution, penned protection from religious rule at the very top of the Bill of Rights.

You're "better" because those wise men tied your hands. Not because you are better people.

[anon5]

In your excitement to post misleading stuff you doubled down.

http://www.thenazareneway.com/likeness_of_our_saviour.htm

Not what this letter from Pilate said. Said wavy and hanging around the shoulders.
Romans recorded every mundane thing it seems.
I dont remember Jesus mentioning hair length. Please share that verse with us. Sounds like you might be pulling a fast one there general.

Innocently wondering if you perhaps have another source? For appearance of Jesus I mean? Did any of the apostles mention it or write it down maybe? Check maybe some of the banned gospels? Thomas? Others?

At any rate did you get that chapter and verse about marriage age? Still waiting on that too.
Note: I'm not actually the right one to quote made up verses to. Nice try.


1 corinthians 11, 3 thru 15 speaks on the hair length. As far as I'm concerned, hair can, as you say, hang around the shoulders, without touching it, but whatever. I think you like to pick fly poop out of pepper. Marriage age, as far as I can tell is never mentioned, but when did I say anything specific about age. I do know that generally speaking, grown men waited until their brides at least reaches puberty before marriage and not say, 9 years old. The life expectancy back then was considerably lower, so perhaps it's relative. I DO know that we are still one of the few countries in the world that has the luxury of having teenage CHILDREN.

[anon5]

You really dont have much of a leg to stand on sport considering that our forefathers, after centuries of religious persecution, penned protection from religious rule at the very top of the Bill of Rights.

You're "better" because those wise men tied your hands. Not because you are better people.


WHAT are you talking about?? Your making zero sense here. The last thing I want is some sort of Nehemiah Scudder type rule. What I was TRYING to point out was that in size, intensity and scope, Islam terrorism is FAR worse then anything dreamed up by the modern NON Muslim world.

You can come up with all the excuses and arguments you want to downplay that bit of fact, but muslim terrorists are taking this junk too far, and all I got to say is God help them the first time a school is taken hostage and kids beheaded. That just might be the straw that breaks the camels back.

[shazeep]

http://i.imgur.com/UdbielT.jpg

[Walks_in_islam]

1 corinthians 11, 3 thru 15 speaks on the hair length. As far as I'm concerned, hair can, as you say, hang around the shoulders, without touching it, but whatever. I think you like to pick fly poop out of pepper. Marriage age, as far as I can tell is never mentioned, but when did I say anything specific about age. I do know that generally speaking, grown men waited until their brides at least reaches puberty before marriage and not say, 9 years old. The life expectancy back then was considerably lower, so perhaps it's relative. I DO know that we are still one of the few countries in the world that has the luxury of having teenage CHILDREN.

Jesus neither spoke in nor wrote 1st Corinthians and in what was recorded of what Jesus said there is nothing about hair. You attribute those words to Jesus? LOL

My own teenage children are in my view children however I do not judge something from 1400 years ago as sin or not sin. Until the 1920's teenagers were not considered "children" in our own country so the application of very recent changes in social views would not be the standard I would apply for sin or not sin anyway.

[Walks_in_islam]

WHAT are you talking about?? Your making zero sense here. The last thing I want is some sort of Nehemiah Scudder type rule. What I was TRYING to point out was that in size, intensity and scope, Islam terrorism is FAR worse then anything dreamed up by the modern NON Muslim world.

You can come up with all the excuses and arguments you want to downplay that bit of fact, but muslim terrorists are taking this junk too far, and all I got to say is God help them the first time a school is taken hostage and kids beheaded. That just might be the straw that breaks the camels back.

Who made excuses?

More Muslims die fighting terrorism and standing up against terrorism than anyone else. Every day actually. A Muslim pilot died by fire at the hands of DAESH and a Muslim policeman died in France at the hands of terrorists you blame their beliefs for their deaths? No. Sign up and join the fight or keep silent about straws and camels.

[Walks_in_islam]

WHAT are you talking about?? Your making zero sense here. The last thing I want is some sort of Nehemiah Scudder type rule. What I was TRYING to point out was that in size, intensity and scope, Islam terrorism is FAR worse then anything dreamed up by the modern NON Muslim world.

You can come up with all the excuses and arguments you want to downplay that bit of fact, but muslim terrorists are taking this junk too far, and all I got to say is God help them the first time a school is taken hostage and kids beheaded. That just might be the straw that breaks the camels back.

What makes no sense is you rattling about how good and peaceful you are while enjoying protections for you that were put in place because of hundreds of years of violence and persecution under christian church rule.

[Esaias]

http://i.imgur.com/UdbielT.jpg

Pay no attention to the man behind that curtain!

lol

[Praxeas]

http://i.imgur.com/UdbielT.jpg
Israel would destroy them

They have to first go through the Iran controlled/allied armies first.

In order to attack Israel they'd have to divert resources protecting Mosul and other Iraqi towns they took

[Praxeas]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/.premium-1.605097

[Walks_in_islam]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/.premium-1.605097

Jordan is Sunni, not Shia and they are throwing everything they have at ISIS. Their king (and the rest of Jordan) is ticked off it seems.

The UAE is Sunni and they are also bombing ISIS.

We had a little border skirmish up north a few weeks ago, ISIS came in second although a Saudi border guard commander was killed. Saudi is not Shia either.

ISIS is an enemy of both sides. That article seems to be pretty old.

[anon5]

Jordan is Sunni, not Shia and they are throwing everything they have at ISIS. Their king (and the rest of Jordan) is ticked off it seems.

The UAE is Sunni and they are also bombing ISIS.

We had a little border skirmish up north a few weeks ago, ISIS came in second although a Saudi border guard commander was killed. Saudi is not Shia either.

ISIS is an enemy of both sides. That article seems to be pretty old.

Correct me if I'm wrong (which I'm sure you will) but wasn't it Jordan that had a citizen, a pilot I think, get burned alive not too awful long ago? If, so, then that would explain the ticked off part.

[Walks_in_islam]

Correct me if I'm wrong (which I'm sure you will) but wasn't it Jordan that had a citizen, a pilot I think, get burned alive not too awful long ago? If, so, then that would explain the ticked off part.

I won't. You are correct.

[anon5]

Who made excuses?

More Muslims die fighting terrorism and standing up against terrorism than anyone else. Every day actually. A Muslim pilot died by fire at the hands of DAESH and a Muslim policeman died in France at the hands of terrorists you blame their beliefs for their deaths? No. Sign up and join the fight or keep silent about straws and camels.

Where were the protester covering the streets when the nigerian girls were kidnapped. Oh yeah, they were too busy whining over cartoons. Or the throngs of people taking to the streets after 911 without having to be pressured into it? They were strangely silent during those initial months when no other group would have been. How about all the outrage over the 14 yr old activist who was shot in the head for pushing girls education. Or speaking of schools, the bombing and murdering of school kids SIMILAR to Newtown except with one difference: They happen ALL THE TIME. It was estimated that only about 10 percent of Muslims are radical. We have about 1billion muslims in the world. Do the math. What's ten percent of a billion? JUST the radicals. That's how many Muslims in the world are actively wanting and TRYING to kill you. Well, not YOU.

Now calculate in just the sympathizers. Ummm, yeah, say what you want. We have a MUSLIM problem.

[Walks_in_islam]

Where were the protester covering the streets when the nigerian girls were kidnapped. Oh yeah, they were too busy whining over cartoons. Or the throngs of people taking to the streets after 911 without having to be pressured into it? They were strangely silent during those initial months when no other group would have been. How about all the outrage over the 14 yr old activist who was shot in the head for pushing girls education. Or speaking of schools, the bombing and murdering of school kids SIMILAR to Newtown except with one difference: They happen ALL THE TIME. It was estimated that only about 10 percent of Muslims are radical. We have about 1billion muslims in the world. Do the math. What's ten percent of a billion? JUST the radicals. That's how many Muslims in the world are actively wanting and TRYING to kill you. Well, not YOU.

Now calculate in just the sympathizers. Ummm, yeah, say what you want. We have a MUSLIM problem.

This is your answer to "sign up and join the fight" when it was noted to you that Muslims die every day fighting terrorism.

"Taking to the streets" is your requirement to demonstrate support for what is right and what is wrong. If one does not "take to the streets" to stand up against something wrong then one supports it.

I believe you. So to show me that this is not just hypocritical christian fertilizer please provide a full list of the issues that you, personally, have "taken to the streets in protest" to stand up against.

That way the rest of us can apply this high standard you hold for ourselves.

[shazeep]

Where were the protester covering the streets when the nigerian girls were kidnapped. Oh yeah, they were too busy whining over cartoons. Or the throngs of people taking to the streets after 911 without having to be pressured into it? They were strangely silent during those initial months when no other group would have been. How about all the outrage over the 14 yr old activist who was shot in the head for pushing girls education. Or speaking of schools, the bombing and murdering of school kids SIMILAR to Newtown except with one difference: They happen ALL THE TIME. It was estimated that only about 10 percent of Muslims are radical. We have about 1billion muslims in the world. Do the math. What's ten percent of a billion? JUST the radicals. That's how many Muslims in the world are actively wanting and TRYING to kill you. Well, not YOU.

Now calculate in just the sympathizers. Ummm, yeah, say what you want. We have a MUSLIM problem.I'm more curious in how many times you have been attacked by a Muslim...you can answer that from your living room, so no pressure there. I find the most telling rebuttal of 911 to be OBL's "I sure wish i could take credit for it--i would be proud to. But i can't." Nevermind the strong evidence that it was an inside job now--which btw even most Americans now accept. Don't let your eyes deceive you, wadr.

[shazeep]

Israel would destroy them

They have to first go through the Iran controlled/allied armies first.

In order to attack Israel they'd have to divert resources protecting Mosul and other Iraqi towns they tookhmm, i think the point might be why did they go east, toward Muslims, when they could have gone South, toward "enemies." I mean, look at a map. Your eyes should tell you the truth, here, imo.

[n david]

I'm more curious in how many times you have been attacked by a Muslim...you can answer that from your living room, so no pressure there.
Yes, ignore Ft. Hood, ignore the Oklahoma workplace beheading, ignore the attacks overseas. Apparently, since anon5 hasn't personally been attacked, it must not be happening.

IMO, the reason muslims aren't attacking more here in the States is because most US citizens use their right to bear arms. It's very common to see people wearing a pistol in stores or other public places where allowed.

I find the most telling rebuttal of 911 to be OBL's "I sure wish i could take credit for it--i would be proud to. But i can't."
The use of quotation marks indicates that this is a direct quote. Please post the source for this alleged quote.

Nevermind the strong evidence that it was an inside job now--which btw even most Americans now accept. Don't let your eyes deceive you, wadr.
:tinfoil

[shazeep]

i don't mean to imply that one should ignore anything; but rather to consider everything, widen the context. Scripture says Live by the sword, die by the sword; so, as tragic as Ft. Hood is, your (apparent) view that it was some rogue "Moslum" who perpetrated the atrocity must at least be considered next to the reality that this was a vetted officer of the US, one of their own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulWWKK3MLJA

i just grabbed one, of many. i don't think anyone disputes that he said this. i paraphrased it, but i think i got the spirit of his quote.

you can belittle me, if it makes you feel superior for a minute, fine. but understand that you are putting down the majority of Americans, with this. It is prolly best stated that "the majority of Americans are skeptical of the official version." I'll let you pick your link.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#q=majority%20americans%20911&es_th=1

not sure how the underlining started, hope it does not interfere

[shazeep]

ya, that's not the OBL quote i wanted--it was a later one. I'll fish around for it.

[Jito463]

Why am I not surprised that shazeep is a "troofer". :rolleyes:

[shazeep]

Why am I not surprised that shazeep is a "troofer". :rolleyes:i have no idea what happened; i just proceed from a different premise than most, namely "the world is satan's domain." Wadr, you are most likely heavily invested in the world, and so might at least consider how this might require you to close your eyes to things.

[shazeep]

Understand that this requires a difficult step--a very difficult one. All povs must be suspended--as we will naturally gravitate to the ones our peers have embraced--and the fruit must be examined; the "money" followed. If one asks God for wisdom here, it will come, but i gotta warn you that you cannot unsee things God shows you. Count the cost. The truth is not easily divulged--and certainly isn't taught--and is not pretty.

We live in a world rotten to the core, and grasp the easy justifications provided for us to maintain our places in it.

[n david]

i don't mean to imply that one should ignore anything; but rather to consider everything, widen the context. Scripture says Live by the sword, die by the sword; so, as tragic as Ft. Hood is, your (apparent) view that it was some rogue "Moslum" who perpetrated the atrocity must at least be considered next to the reality that this was a vetted officer of the US, one of their own.
I never used the word "Moslum," not sure what that's in quotes. The fact he was in the military doesn't change the fact that he acted out, per his own statements, waging his own jihad against the US.

i just grabbed one, of many. i don't think anyone disputes that he said this. i paraphrased it, but i think i got the spirit of his quote.
What you said OBL said: "I sure wish i could take credit for it--i would be proud to. But i can't."

What your link claims he said: "After the recent attacks, which the US has witnessed, the US government ventured to point fingers at me, accuse me of involvement. The US government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it. I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons. As for me, I have been living in the islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leader's rule. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations."

:toofunny

Yeah, you definitely paraphrased it. I don't read anything in his alleged statement wishing to take credit for it, or being proud to do so.

[n david]

Sorry, I'm not a "truther." Not only have the truther conspiracies been sufficiently disproven, but had something like this happened, something would have leaked by now. Snowden and his leaks have proven nothing is truly a secret.

[shazeep]

he did allude to as much in a later statement, although i might be overstating it, as he expressed disdain for shedding innocent blood in the same statement, i think. The gist of it was "hey, i'd be a hero among my peers, if i did this; but it would be wrong to claim credit for something i didn't do." Made all the more impactful, imo, as he knew he was walking dead at that point.

[shazeep]

Sorry, I'm not a "truther." Not only have the truther conspiracies been sufficiently disproven, but had something like this happened, something would have leaked by now. Snowden and his leaks have proven nothing is truly a secret.Hmm, well, saying "I am not a truther" strikes me as avoiding truth on its face, but i get you. You say they "have been sufficiently disproven," but this is nullified by others' "have sufficiently been proven," and so just illustrates to me why competing povs are useless in finding the truth. Let's follow the money, shall we. You are prepared, i take it, to dispute some of the points in 911 was an Inside Job? I mean, nevermind that even, what about the most recent film of building 7, demo charges plainly seen going off?

Please take these rhetorically, as i am done rehashing them--the point is that "sufficiently disproven" is a phrae to make you feel more secure in your "knowledge," wadr, that does not lead to truth.

[shazeep]

"something would have leaked by now" :lol smh

[shazeep]

oops--something leaked alright
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4hG59L2eTs
i have...over 400 leaks now :D peace

[Walks_in_islam]

Yes, ignore Ft. Hood, ignore the Oklahoma workplace beheading, ignore the attacks overseas. Apparently, since anon5 hasn't personally been attacked, it must not be happening.

IMO, the reason muslims aren't attacking more here in the States is because most US citizens use their right to bear arms. It's very common to see people wearing a pistol in stores or other public places where allowed.


The use of quotation marks indicates that this is a direct quote. Please post the source for this alleged quote.


:tinfoil

Nobody has bothered me overseas. I keep racking up those passport stamps.

I have a better idea. Rather than ignore the more than 300,000 Americans murdered in your own streets since 9/11 and finding some raggedy villagers somewhere who have no chance of ever seeing American soil to focus on, and
since you are planning to stay at home in whatever corn-pone town your trailer is resting in, should you also plan to see what can be done in your own community or is it simply too much to bear?

I mean it must be exciting for you to watch what other people in other places do on the internet and TV but isn't there SOMETHING you can do to make YOUR community a better place?

Now go away for awhile and come back and share your "success stories". Start with some mission work in Atlanta, Chicago, or Detroit where the murder rates are higher than any Muslim country on the planet.

Lemme know how that worked out for you!

[n david]

oops--something leaked alright

i have...over 400 leaks now :D peace
:bored

Over 400 leaks now, huh? Obviously an exaggeration, like you claim of what OBL allegedly said. :laffatu

[shazeep]

well, there are like thousands on youtube, but i am selective. And while what OBL said was as quickly squashed by the mainstream media as the post above, i think the spirit of his quote has already been revealed, and if i run across it today i'll bring it back. But i do not owe you the truth, i hope you understand. It would be more to my advantage to lie to you, like your media does, legally. Please see that i have no dog in this hunt, and would just as soon that you were deceived, wadr.