View Full Version : (((EXCLUSIVE!))) Randy White Openly Mocks Standards,Admits drinking AND!!!.....
*** A MUST READ ****
recently I know someone who recently visited Without wall church.
HERE IS WHAT TOOK PLACE ! !
While Randy was Preaching, he was talking about legalistic Traditional churches. He then started talking about so -called "Holiness churches" that don't allow this and that (makeup, jewelry etc). He then said " I want all the women here that are wearing Pants to stand up" he then Proceeded to tell them, " now in those churches ALL of you would be sent to hell none of you would be saved". the audience woooed and awed, laughed, and shook their heads in disbelief
He told them, Nobody is Perfect, I'm not perfect you're not perfect, and yes, I have a drink once in a while ! ! ! wow!!!!!!
*****NOW CHECK THIS OUT!!!!******
in the sermon, he bragged about his summer Tan. he asked " want me to show you ??? He then pretended to untie his tie and unbutton his shirt etc. while the audience cheered him on to continue on !!!!!!
YOUR OPINIONS PLEASE THANKS A BUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mfblume
06-11-2007, 01:57 PM
Some extremes lead to repercussions to opposite extremes. :(
Some extremes lead to repurcussions to opposite extremes. :(
surely
rgcraig
06-11-2007, 01:58 PM
What's the surprise?
Digging4Truth
06-11-2007, 01:59 PM
Some extremes lead to repercussions to opposite extremes. :(
Well said.
SoCaliUPC
06-11-2007, 02:01 PM
*** A MUST READ ****
recently I know someone who recently visited Without wall church.
HERE IS WHAT TOOK PLACE ! !
While Randy was Preaching, he was talking about legalistic Traditional churches. He then started talking about so -called "Holiness churches" that don't allow this and that (makeup, jewelry etc). He then said " I want all the women here that are wearing Pants to stand up" he then Proceeded to tell them, " now in those churches ALL of you would be sent to hell none of you would be saved". the audience woooed and awed, laughed, and shook their heads in disbelief
He told them, Nobody is Perfect, I'm not perfect you're not perfect, and yes, I have a drink once in a while ! ! ! wow!!!!!!
*****NOW CHECK THIS OUT!!!!******
in the sermon, he bragged about his summer Tan. he asked " want me to show you ??? He then pretended to untie his tie and unbutton his shirt etc. while the audience cheered him on to continue on !!!!!!
YOUR OPINIONS PLEASE THANKS A BUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are just jealous because you have always wanted to do that....but couldn't. :killinme
berkeley
06-11-2007, 02:01 PM
He needs to read Pendulum Extremes. :)
Hesetmefree238
06-11-2007, 02:04 PM
Guys, please bring me up to speed. Who is Randy White?
revrandy
06-11-2007, 02:04 PM
Welcome to TBN!!!!
berkeley
06-11-2007, 02:05 PM
Guys, please bring me up to speed. Who is Randy White?
Paula White's husband...
QueenEsther
06-11-2007, 02:05 PM
Guys, please bring me up to speed. Who is Randy White?
Ditto.......
SoCaliUPC
06-11-2007, 02:05 PM
Welcome to TBN!!!!
Only problem is....HE is not a fixture of TBN. His wife is....but not him.
QueenEsther
06-11-2007, 02:08 PM
Only problem is....HE is not a fixture of TBN. His wife is....but not him.
Ok, I probably know who he is from that comment.
Kutless
06-11-2007, 02:09 PM
Does he have a website?
berkeley
06-11-2007, 02:10 PM
http://www.withoutwalls.org/
Was he ever holiness? Oneness?
South of I 90
06-11-2007, 02:13 PM
Guys, please bring me up to speed. Who is Randy White?
He used to play for the Dallas Cowboys! :tiphat
rgcraig
06-11-2007, 02:15 PM
He used to play for the Dallas Cowboys! :tiphat
As what - their center?
Guys, please bring me up to speed. Who is Randy White?
what orbit are posting from ???????:lol
after all these threads about Randy and Paul white and you
are asking that Qs ???
even Epley and Other Cons know who randy and Paula are goodness!!!
What's the surprise?
Yea I am surprised at some of it
you are not ?? why ?
You are just jealous because you have always wanted to do that....but couldn't. :killinme
what part ?
Kutless
06-11-2007, 02:18 PM
He used to play for the Dallas Cowboys! :tiphatyou googled it too.....huh? LOL
StillStanding
06-11-2007, 02:19 PM
He used to play for the Dallas Cowboys! :tiphat
LOL! That's the famous hall of fame NFL player! :lol
This thread is referring to a preacher of a large church in Tampa, FL.
rgcraig
06-11-2007, 02:20 PM
LOL! That's the famous hall of fame NFL player! :lol
This thread is referring to a preacher of a large church in Tampa, FL.
That's what I thought - he's too little to be a football player!
berkeley
06-11-2007, 02:20 PM
http://www.withoutwalls.org/
:club
Old Paths
06-11-2007, 02:21 PM
Can anyone spell
shysters.
Kutless
06-11-2007, 02:21 PM
http://www.withoutwalls.org/oops.....thanks Berk. :haloplug
jwharv
06-11-2007, 02:22 PM
He isn't the first to do it and won't be the last.....................
berkeley
06-11-2007, 02:24 PM
His comments may be accurate, but his spirit may have been wrong.
has Randy ever been Oneness or Holiness or both???
His comments may be accurate, but his spirit may have been wrong.
what was accurate ???
The Person who went was a UPC minister friend of mine who was visiting the area. he said he stopped in on a weds i believe, to check it out but walked out after what he head
berkeley
06-11-2007, 02:26 PM
has Randy ever been Oneness or Holiness or both???
I am not sure. Usually you get those kind of reactions by those who bitterly left the Wesleyan Holiness type churches.
South of I 90
06-11-2007, 02:27 PM
As what - their center?
Hall of Fame Defensive Tackle............a real man!!!
berkeley
06-11-2007, 02:27 PM
what was accurate ???
The Person who went was a UPC minister friend of mine who was visiting the area. he said he stopped in on a weds i believe, to check it out but walked out after what he head
What are you questioning?
jwharv
06-11-2007, 02:28 PM
Jesse Duplantis has been saying the same things for years on his show on TBN. I wouldn't give you a nickle for Jesse Duplantis' doctrine but the guy can be hillarious......
berkeley
06-11-2007, 02:29 PM
Ferd,
Carlton Pearson and John Hagee have 'holiness' roots.
StillStanding
06-11-2007, 02:29 PM
what was accurate ???
The Person who went was a UPC minister friend of mine who was visiting the area. he said he stopped in on a weds i believe, to check it out but walked out after what he head
It is accurate that most Ultra-con organizations would put his pants wearing women in hell! In fact, they would put his entire congregation in hell!
Digging4Truth
06-11-2007, 02:29 PM
Jesse Duplantis has been saying the same things for years on his show on TBN. I wouldn't give you a nickle for Jesse Duplantis' doctrine but the guy can be hillarious......
And to think that it all got it's big start with "It may seem like Friday night but Sunday's comin'"
revrandy
06-11-2007, 02:30 PM
Oh.. Sandra...Where are you??
Wasup wit dis stuff?? Comin' out of that crowd???
berkeley
06-11-2007, 02:31 PM
Oh.. Sandra...Where are you??
Wasup wit dis stuff?? Comin' out of that crowd???
She is not a part of that crowd. :)
What are you questioning?
you said he was accuate in what he said ??
Renda , socali, are you going to reply ???
revrandy
06-11-2007, 02:32 PM
She is not a part of that crowd. :)
She is a part of the TBN Crowd... she's on there a lot..Paula White is her friend..
berkeley
06-11-2007, 02:32 PM
you said he was accuate in what he said ??
Right,
Randy White's comments are accurate. Reference to Pianoman's post.
RANDY,
what are your thoughts and opinions on the comments that Pastor White made over the pulpit ??
berkeley
06-11-2007, 02:32 PM
She is a part of the TBN Crowd... she's on there a lot..Paula White is her friend..
She is not a part of their crowd. She does take the opportunity to appear when it is given.
I am not sure. Usually you get those kind of reactions by those who bitterly left the Wesleyan Holiness type churches.
well if he did come from a holiness background i feel sorry for him.
if he didnt, i dont....and what is more, i dont care.
some knucklehead gets up and shouts that this group or that group is judgemental? I am supposed to care?
RW is looking to build a big church full of people paying him tithes. what else is he going to say? He sure isnt going to get strong against stuff like sin now is he?
revrandy
06-11-2007, 02:35 PM
RANDY,
what are your thoughts and opinions on the comments that Pastor White made over the pulpit ??
I think it's just accepted and the general attitude of those who disdain truth and mock those who hold to Biblical Way...
It just shows the attitude of what True Charismatic beliefs are...
Symbolism and Money over Substance any day...
COOPER
06-11-2007, 02:36 PM
*** A MUST READ ****
recently I know someone who recently visited Without wall church.
HERE IS WHAT TOOK PLACE ! !
While Randy was Preaching, he was talking about legalistic Traditional churches. He then started talking about so -called "Holiness churches" that don't allow this and that (makeup, jewelry etc). He then said " I want all the women here that are wearing Pants to stand up" he then Proceeded to tell them, " now in those churches ALL of you would be sent to hell none of you would be saved". the audience woooed and awed, laughed, and shook their heads in disbelief
He told them, Nobody is Perfect, I'm not perfect you're not perfect, and yes, I have a drink once in a while ! ! ! wow!!!!!!
*****NOW CHECK THIS OUT!!!!******
in the sermon, he bragged about his summer Tan. he asked " want me to show you ??? He then pretended to untie his tie and unbutton his shirt etc. while the audience cheered him on to continue on !!!!!!
YOUR OPINIONS PLEASE THANKS A BUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So what is the problem?
berkeley
06-11-2007, 02:37 PM
Randy really needs to read Pendulum Extremes
revrandy
06-11-2007, 02:37 PM
She is not a part of their crowd. She does take the opportunity to appear when it is given.
Bro... Keep believin'... :killinme
berkeley
06-11-2007, 02:37 PM
So what is the problem?
He was acting like a stripper.
what is the preocupation with people that neither preach the Truth, nor to my knowledge every been in the same room with a preacher of Truth?
I dont care what some ear tickler has to say. what is the big deal?
revrandy
06-11-2007, 02:38 PM
He was acting like a stripper.
I will predict that his issues are much deeper than that... and i don't have to be a prophet to proclaim that!!!
berkeley
06-11-2007, 02:39 PM
what is the preocupation with people that neither preach the Truth, nor to my knowledge every been in the same room with a preacher of Truth?
I dont care what some ear tickler has to say. what is the big deal?
We're bored. Dwight Thompson is another with a 'holiness' background.
revrandy
06-11-2007, 02:39 PM
what is the preocupation with people that neither preach the Truth, nor to my knowledge every been in the same room with a preacher of Truth?
I dont care what some ear tickler has to say. what is the big deal?
It's almost like fishing...
You look for that reaction strike...then you set the hook...:lol
So what is the problem?
it's one thing not to hold to the set standard but to scoff and mock it? that's wrong. i know plenty of people who do not adhere to the UPC code of dress but they are very respectful.
A pastor who drinks and openly talks about it? I would never sit under any pastor that drinks period. and does a mock-striptease? that is out of character for a man of God IMO
berkeley
06-11-2007, 02:40 PM
I will predict that his issues are much deeper than that... and i don't have to be a prophet to proclaim that!!!
I'm quite sure. That's all I can say about that.
berkeley
06-11-2007, 02:41 PM
it's one thing not to hold to the set standard but to scoff and mock it? that's wrong. i know plenty of people who do not adhere to the UPC code of dress but they are very respectful.
A pastor who drinks and openly talks about it? I would never sit under any pastor that drinks period. and does a mock-striptease? that is out of character for a man of God IMO
Thad,
The conservative faction mocks and scoffs at the 'liberated' too. Does that upset you?
Nahum
06-11-2007, 02:41 PM
*** A MUST READ ****
recently I know someone who recently visited Without wall church.
HERE IS WHAT TOOK PLACE ! !
While Randy was Preaching, he was talking about legalistic Traditional churches. He then started talking about so -called "Holiness churches" that don't allow this and that (makeup, jewelry etc). He then said " I want all the women here that are wearing Pants to stand up" he then Proceeded to tell them, " now in those churches ALL of you would be sent to hell none of you would be saved". the audience woooed and awed, laughed, and shook their heads in disbelief
He told them, Nobody is Perfect, I'm not perfect you're not perfect, and yes, I have a drink once in a while ! ! ! wow!!!!!!
*****NOW CHECK THIS OUT!!!!******
in the sermon, he bragged about his summer Tan. he asked " want me to show you ??? He then pretended to untie his tie and unbutton his shirt etc. while the audience cheered him on to continue on !!!!!!
YOUR OPINIONS PLEASE THANKS A BUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My take:
1. His comments about pants are entirely accurate.
2. Many in our movement are in love with legalism (ie lethalism).
3. He is stupid to admit to drinking.
4. I wouldn't need to unbutton my shirt, I could show them my nicely tanned head! :killinme
berkeley
06-11-2007, 02:42 PM
My take:
1. His comments about pants are entirely accurate.
2. Many in our movement are in love with legalism (ie lethalism).
3. He is stupid to admit to drinking.
4. I wouldn't need to unbutton my shirt, I could show them my nicely tanned head! :killinme
:lol
revrandy
06-11-2007, 02:43 PM
My take:
1. His comments about pants are entirely accurate.
2. Many in our movement are in love with legalism (ie lethalism).
3. He is stupid to admit to drinking.
4. I wouldn't need to unbutton my shirt, I could show them my nicely tanned head! :killinme
This makes me think.... :hmmm
but I will save it for now...
it's one thing not to hold to the set standard but to scoff and mock it? that's wrong. i know plenty of people who do not adhere to the UPC code of dress but they are very respectful.
A pastor who drinks and openly talks about it? I would never sit under any pastor that drinks period. and does a mock-striptease? that is out of character for a man of God IMO
Thad, if you told me that a former UPCI guy who has gone liberal did this, then I would consider it a major topic for Aposotlics.
If however, the offender has never gotten in the same room with the Apostolic doctrine, then I really dont know why it matters? they are out there somewhere.... building houses on sand.
I feel sorry for the guy.
berkeley
06-11-2007, 02:43 PM
This makes me think.... :hmmm
but I will save it for now...
Sp..sp..spit it out!
revrandy
06-11-2007, 02:45 PM
Sp..sp..spit it out!
You didn't....
So I won't!!! :popcorn2
berkeley
06-11-2007, 02:46 PM
You didn't....
So I won't!!! :popcorn2
Please reference what you are speaking of.
Charlie Brown
06-11-2007, 02:48 PM
I am left wondering what Thads fascination is with the Charismatic crowd? Why all the posts about them? Is there a hidden agenda? Has Thad went UC???
Inquiring minds want to know!
revrandy
06-11-2007, 02:49 PM
I am left wondering what Thads fascination is with the Charismatic crowd? Why all the posts about them? Is there a hidden agenda? Has Thad went UC???
Inquiring minds want to know!
Thad doesn't wear short sleeved shirts...
Does that tell you anything???
:D
Nahum
06-11-2007, 02:49 PM
I am left wondering what Thads fascination is with the Charismatic crowd? Why all the posts about them? Is there a hidden agenda? Has Thad went UC???
Inquiring minds want to know!
Very good question. Has Thad hooked up cable in his home?
Kutless
06-11-2007, 02:51 PM
Very good question. Has Thad hooked up cable in his home?that is beyond charismatic...that is the debil.
revrandy
06-11-2007, 02:52 PM
My take:
1. His comments about pants are entirely accurate.
2. Many in our movement are in love with legalism (ie lethalism).
3. He is stupid to admit to drinking.
4. I wouldn't need to unbutton my shirt, I could show them my nicely tanned head! :killinme
This makes me think.... :hmmm
but I will save it for now...
I think I can understand your point on Standards.. but concerning women wearing pants.... Do you believe that it's okay for Women to wear pants?
or were you just agreeing with the fact that he said most of the Conservitives would think they were going to Hell for wearing them??
Your premise just made my mind tick...
Charlie Brown
06-11-2007, 02:56 PM
That term UC can be pointed as either end of the spectrum.
Ultra Conservative.....................or Ultra Charismatic!! Which is Thad?? :D
ThePastorsCoach
06-11-2007, 03:01 PM
Randy and Paula both have COG backgrounds and I am sure they heard Wesleyan Holiness preaching in their early years. The COG was leaving the Wesleyan Holiness standards in the early 60's. I do know that they have had some former UPC - Oneness Apostolic background folks in Tampa - in the church and as guests there - but they have NEVER been Oneness. Most trinitarians have never even heard of Oneness except in a very negative way. My first hearing of it was old Bishop S. E. Johnson from The Church of The Lord Jesus Christ of the Apostolic Faith, One Apostolic Square, Philadelphia, PA - I actually drove by the church at 22nd and Bainbridge on Friday! They believed that if Bishop Johnson had not baptized you - you were NOT baptized!
I am shocked that Randy admitted the drinking. I do know that many in their circles drink - but they don't admit it openly. It alienates too many partners and partners are their financial base and they will do just about anything to keep good faithful financial partners. If he did indeed admit it - he is just plain stupid or used very poor judgment. Of course if he IS drinking - then that is very poor judgment too!
The whole thing is sad to me as I have known Randy and Paula to be VERY GIVING people to the tune of many millions. They have helped an awful lot of people in Tampa and I know that for a fact. Feeding, clothing, providing housing, educating, equipping and helping thousands.
I really do not have an ounce of confidence in the low life newspaper reporters so who knows if anything they write is true. Just a bunch of liberal press junkyard dogs.
Nahum
06-11-2007, 03:01 PM
I think I can understand your point on Standards.. but concerning women wearing pants.... Do you believe that it's okay for Women to wear pants?
or were you just agreeing with the fact that he said most of the Conservitives would think they were going to Hell for wearing them??
Your premise just made my mind tick...
I'm saying that there is an understanding in Oneness Pentecostalism that a woman who wears pants is either new or backslidden. I do believe that an overwhelming majority among us believe the "pants issue" to be a Heaven or Hell standard. I personally do not believe the issue is key to salvation. However, it is my preference that those in in the church I planted follow the tradition that was given us while in leadership positions. My wife and daughter have never worn a pair in public. We follow this guideline out of respect, not conviction. Same thing with knee length shorts on my boys.
Let me emphasize that even though I follow this tradition, many on AFF would think I am Charismatic and lost because I do not add these traditions as a qualifier for entrance into the body of Christ.
In time, I may change my stance further. But as long as I hold license with the UPCI I will not own a tv, the females in my family will not wear pants, and my boys will not wear shorts in public. That is simple submission, not personal conviction.
Hope that cleared the questions from your mind Randy.
South of I 90
06-11-2007, 03:04 PM
LOL! That's the famous hall of fame NFL player! :lol
This thread is referring to a preacher of a large church in Tampa, FL.
Thanks for the clarification P-Man.
However, I wanted the folks know, there is another famous Randy White out there that is a "real man"!! :bubble
revrandy
06-11-2007, 03:07 PM
Randy and Paula both have COG backgrounds and I am sure they heard Wesleyan Holiness preaching in their early years. The COG was leaving the Wesleyan Holiness standards in the early 60's. I do know that they have had some former UPC - Oneness Apostolic background folks in Tampa - in the church and as guests there - but they have NEVER been Oneness. Most trinitarians have never even heard of Oneness except in a very negative way. My first hearing of it was old Bishop S. E. Johnson from The Church of The Lord Jesus Christ of the Apostolic Faith, One Apostolic Square, Philadelphia, PA - I actually drove by the church at 22nd and Bainbridge on Friday! They believed that if Bishop Johnson had not baptized you - you were NOT baptized!
I am shocked that Randy admitted the drinking. I do know that many in their circles drink - but they don't admit it openly. It alienates too many partners and partners are their financial base and they will do just about anything to keep good faithful financial partners. If he did indeed admit it - he is just plain stupid or used very poor judgment. Of course if he IS drinking - then that is very poor judgment too!
The whole thing is sad to me as I have known Randy and Paula to be VERY GIVING people to the tune of many millions. They have helped an awful lot of people in Tampa and I know that for a fact. Feeding, clothing, providing housing, educating, equipping and helping thousands.
I really do not have an ounce of confidence in the low life newspaper reporters so who knows if anything they write is true. Just a bunch of liberal press junkyard dogs.
Maybe he had drunk a lil' to much before service.... for some extra "fire".... :D
Thad,
The conservative faction mocks and scoffs at the 'liberated' too. Does that upset you?
I don't think we ought to bash anyone from the pulpit.
we had a Baptist pastor's daughter visiting our church and loved it.
then on sunday, a minister got up and started bashing the baptist.
she was crushed and approached our pastor- she never returned
berkeley
06-11-2007, 03:10 PM
I don't think we ought to bash anyone from the pulpit.
we had a Baptist pastor's daughter visiting our church and loved it.
then on sunday, a minister got up and started bashing the baptist.
she was crushed and approached our pastor- she never returned
sad... and I agree with you.
ThePastorsCoach
06-11-2007, 03:10 PM
Maybe he had drunk a lil' to much before service.... for some extra "fire".... :D
So true - Maybe it helped his Anointment!!!!!!!! :lol
Alcohol impairs your judgment soooooooooooooooooooooooo................
Thad, if you told me that a former UPCI guy who has gone liberal did this, then I would consider it a major topic for Aposotlics.
If however, the offender has never gotten in the same room with the Apostolic doctrine, then I really dont know why it matters? they are out there somewhere.... building houses on sand.
I feel sorry for the guy.
FERD there are many many defenders of these people
you have to understand that many on the forum do not think
there is a differnece doctrinally- understand?
my point is, the bashing goes on both ends but neither end will admit it
I am left wondering what Thads fascination is with the Charismatic crowd? Why all the posts about them? Is there a hidden agenda? Has Thad went UC???
Inquiring minds want to know!
LOL! i'm an equal opportunist Charles
i start threads about the UPC and the charismatics whatever is NEWS
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Steve Epley
06-11-2007, 03:29 PM
I could care less what this religious con man has to say about anything. His opinion means NOTHING to me.
I could care less what this religious con man has to say about anything. His opinion means NOTHING to me.
OUCH!!!! You really said that ????????
berkeley
06-11-2007, 03:31 PM
OUCH!!!! You really said that ????????
Would you expect anything less of him?
Sandra
06-11-2007, 03:33 PM
*** A MUST READ ****
recently I know someone who recently visited Without wall church.
HERE IS WHAT TOOK PLACE ! !
While Randy was Preaching, he was talking about legalistic Traditional churches. He then started talking about so -called "Holiness churches" that don't allow this and that (makeup, jewelry etc). He then said " I want all the women here that are wearing Pants to stand up" he then Proceeded to tell them, " now in those churches ALL of you would be sent to hell none of you would be saved". the audience woooed and awed, laughed, and shook their heads in disbelief
He told them, Nobody is Perfect, I'm not perfect you're not perfect, and yes, I have a drink once in a while ! ! ! wow!!!!!!
*****NOW CHECK THIS OUT!!!!******
in the sermon, he bragged about his summer Tan. he asked " want me to show you ??? He then pretended to untie his tie and unbutton his shirt etc. while the audience cheered him on to continue on !!!!!!
YOUR OPINIONS PLEASE THANKS A BUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Randy White did this hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... so what shall we do??
Thad if this is true what must we do?
Help please?
Steve Epley
06-11-2007, 03:34 PM
OUCH!!!! You really said that ????????
Yep and I was being easy on him.
Sandra
06-11-2007, 03:34 PM
I could care less what this religious con man has to say about anything. His opinion means NOTHING to me.
thanks SE, now we can move on. Thad got what he wanted.
BTW: Gina gave me your card.
berkeley
06-11-2007, 03:35 PM
Randy White did this hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... so what shall we do??
Thad if this is true what must we do?
Help please?
keep your distance... or be a friend.. it's up to you. :)
Steve Epley
06-11-2007, 03:35 PM
thanks SE, now we can move on. Thad got what he wanted.
BTW: Gina gave me your card.
She is certainly a nice young lady. I was thrilled to meet her.
COOPER
06-11-2007, 03:36 PM
it's one thing not to hold to the set standard but to scoff and mock it? that's wrong. i know plenty of people who do not adhere to the UPC code of dress but they are very respectful.
understood.
....
A pastor who drinks and openly talks about it? I would never sit under any pastor that drinks period. and does a mock-striptease? that is out of character for a man of God IMO
Moderation is different from being a drinker.
Is this guy a Drunk?
Many on AFF do not think a drink or two is a sin.
Nor does the bible teach it. But Moderation.
How ever what is the bible teaching on a Pastor having an adult beverage in moderation?
Steadfast
06-11-2007, 03:37 PM
What in the world do you expect? When doctrine means nothing then standards mean even less!
NOTHING surprising here, folks, except the fact that some people still admire - and even make idols - out of such spiritual rebellion.
ThePastorsCoach
06-11-2007, 03:37 PM
I joined the UPC in Florida around 1989 and there was a pastor in Orlando that everyone was talking about. I think they said he was on the District Board - they all talked about how he drank so bad and they had to put him in Rehab several times. This is very sad to me - but it don't just happen among Charismatics. I have know a few UPC drinkers and TV watchers and adulterers and homosexuals and liars during my 11 years as a Union Boy!
Does anyone remember the guy in Orlando? Was he a presbyter? I think I know who has the church he pastored - but I won't say his name.
Sandra
06-11-2007, 03:37 PM
She is certainly a nice young lady. I was thrilled to meet her.
She is , gotta run. I am in charleston SC. got to get ready for a concert.
Randy White did this hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... so what shall we do??
Thad if this is true what must we do?
Help please?
discuss it - issues . that's what we're all here for
whether it be UPC, XUPC, charismatic etc doesnt matter
Whole Hearted
06-11-2007, 03:41 PM
None of this surprises me. Just the blind leading the blind and they are all going to fall into the ditch. But people with itching ears love these con men like White.
I joined the UPC in Florida around 1989 and there was a pastor in Orlando that everyone was talking about. I think they said he was on the District Board - they all talked about how he drank so bad and they had to put him in Rehab several times. This is very sad to me - but it don't just happen among Charismatics. I have know a few UPC drinkers and TV watchers and adulterers and homosexuals and liars during my 11 years as a Union Boy!
Does anyone remember the guy in Orlando? Was he a presbyter? I think I know who has the church he pastored - but I won't say his name.
Coop? now what do you say and this comes from a charismatic person who knows this cirlce too (randy and paula)
I think a pastor should live a higher standard then the flock. i do not believe a pastor shoud drink at all
Yep and I was being easy on him.
compromising are we ???? ummmmmmmmm !!!
revrandy
06-11-2007, 03:47 PM
I joined the UPC in Florida around 1989 and there was a pastor in Orlando that everyone was talking about. I think they said he was on the District Board - they all talked about how he drank so bad and they had to put him in Rehab several times. This is very sad to me - but it don't just happen among Charismatics. I have know a few UPC drinkers and TV watchers and adulterers and homosexuals and liars during my 11 years as a Union Boy!
Does anyone remember the guy in Orlando? Was he a presbyter? I think I know who has the church he pastored - but I won't say his name.
Start a Thread!!!
AB and the Fairness Doctrine Strikes Again!!! :D:D
ThePastorsCoach
06-11-2007, 03:47 PM
Coop? now what do you say and this comes from a charismatic person who knows this cirlce too (randy and paula)
I think a pastor should live a higher standard then the flock. i do not believe a pastor shoud drink at all
I do NOT drink but I do wear pants - but no ear bobs on my ears!!!!!!!!!
It's this NASTY FILTHY MASCULINE GOATEE that is my downfall!
PRAY SAINTS PRAY - Hair is a growing outta my face!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve Epley
06-11-2007, 03:48 PM
compromising are we ???? ummmmmmmmm !!!
Ole compromising me. Today is my easy day it is Monday the preacher's sabbath.
South of I 90
06-11-2007, 03:49 PM
I do NOT drink but I do wear pants - but no ear bobs on my ears!!!!!!!!!
It's this NASTY FILTHY MASCULINE GOATEE that is my downfall!
PRAY SAINTS PRAY - Hair is a growing outta my face!!!!!!!!!!!!
Father God; we just.....................
I do NOT drink but I do wear pants - but no ear bobs on my ears!!!!!!!!!
It's this NASTY FILTHY MASCULINE GOATEE that is my downfall!
PRAY SAINTS PRAY - Hair is a growing outta my face!!!!!!!!!!!!
what can we expect from someone who has
GONE CHARISMATIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny :ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny
Ole compromising me. Today is my easy day it is Monday the preacher's sabbath.
we have a confession ! ! ! !
EPLEY"s going down the Slippery Slope ! ! ! !
South of I 90
06-11-2007, 03:52 PM
what can we expect from someone who has
GONE CHARISMATIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny :ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny
Thadius.........back off on the coffee!!
Steadfast
06-11-2007, 03:53 PM
Coop? now what do you say and this comes from a charismatic person who knows this cirlce too (randy and paula)
I think a pastor should live a higher standard then the flock. i do not believe a pastor shoud drink at all
And you are exactly right. Period.
Scott Hutchinson
06-11-2007, 03:54 PM
Extreme Legalism is wrong but this loose grace stuff ain't of God either.
ThePastorsCoach
06-11-2007, 03:54 PM
Going - Going - GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yep - it is a shame and a disgrace - Gone to the dogs. Ain't got no standards at all. Anything goes!
My daughter got a Mickey Mouse watch and put on some CHERRY CHAPSTICK!
My son wore some pants that barely covered his knees and then grew sideburns!
My other son - watched a video and played Nintendo.
My poor wife - compromised totally and curled her hair!
Pray for us saints - we done gone to the DOGS!!!!!!
Extreme Leagalism is wrong but this loose grace stuff ain't of God either.
and would you put paula in that catagory ?
tamor
06-11-2007, 03:55 PM
I think a pastor should live a higher standard then the flock. i do not believe a pastor shoud drink at all
Amen Thad! I do too.
Steadfast
06-11-2007, 03:55 PM
Start a Thread!!!
AB and the Fairness Doctrine Strikes Again!!! :D:D
:haloplug
Paul told Timothy to drink a little wine for his ailment. Jesus turned water into wine. In both cases, wine is an alcoholic beverage.
Moderation is different from being a drinker.
Is this guy a Drunk?
Many on AFF do not think a drink or two is a sin.
Nor does the bible teach it. But Moderation.
How ever what is the bible teaching on a Pastor having an adult beverage in moderation?
berkeley
06-11-2007, 03:55 PM
Extreme Legalism is wrong but this loose grace stuff ain't of God either.
have you read Pendulum Extremes
FirstRev
06-11-2007, 03:56 PM
Its a bunch of sinner mess
berkeley
06-11-2007, 03:56 PM
Ya'lls better hope that I NEVER become a pastor!!!
Going - Going - GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yep - it is a shame and a disgrace - Gone to the dogs. Ain't got no standards at all. Anything goes!
My daughter got a Mickey Mouse watch and put on some CHERRY CHAPSTICK!
My son wore some pants that barely covered his knees and then grew sideburns!
My other son - watched a video and played Nintendo.
My poor wife - compromised totally and curled her hair!
Pray for us saints - we done gone to the DOGS!!!!!!
Cherry Chapstick ???? LOLOL LOLOLOLOLOL@@@
come on now! someone preached against Cherry chapstick??? :killinme:killinme:killinme
Paul told Timothy to drink a little wine for his ailment. Jesus turned water into wine. In both cases, wine is an alcoholic beverage.
that was not fermitted drink for getting drunk
Thad,
Were you lying a few weeks ago when you insisted when you say a person has gone charismatic you didn't mean it as an insult? This is a 180 from that statement.
what can we expect from someone who has
GONE CHARISMATIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny :ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny
Amen Thad! I do too.
and that's coming from a charismatic folks!!
the forum is making Progress!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
South of I 90
06-11-2007, 03:59 PM
Going - Going - GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yep - it is a shame and a disgrace - Gone to the dogs. Ain't got no standards at all. Anything goes!
My daughter got a Mickey Mouse watch and put on some CHERRY CHAPSTICK!
My son wore some pants that barely covered his knees and then grew sideburns!
My other son - watched a video and played Nintendo.
My poor wife - compromised totally and curled her hair!
Pray for us saints - we done gone to the DOGS!!!!!!
AB; I think you're still ok as long as you continue to where those white shirts with your suits!! :tiphat
Thad,
Were you lying a few weeks ago when you insisted when you say a person has gone charismatic you didn't mean it as an insult? This is a 180 from that statement.
lighten up tv will you??
you talk about the ultra cons being uptight sheeesh!!!
tamor
06-11-2007, 03:59 PM
and that's coming from a charismatic folks!!
the forum is making Progress!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:club:club:club
The con is getting people to believe how a subjective dress code is heaven or hell.
I could care less what this religious con man has to say about anything. His opinion means NOTHING to me.
COOPER
06-11-2007, 04:00 PM
Coop? now what do you say and this comes from a charismatic person who knows this cirlce too (randy and paula)
I think a pastor should live a higher standard then the flock. i do not believe a pastor shoud drink at all
I think they said he was on the District Board - they all talked about how he drank so bad and they had to put him in Rehab several times.
Randy White?
South of I 90
06-11-2007, 04:00 PM
that was not fermitted drink for getting drunk
What about Deut. 14:26?
berkeley
06-11-2007, 04:00 PM
and that's coming from a charismatic folks!!
the forum is making Progress!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:lol
Steve Epley
06-11-2007, 04:00 PM
Going - Going - GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yep - it is a shame and a disgrace - Gone to the dogs. Ain't got no standards at all. Anything goes!
My daughter got a Mickey Mouse watch and put on some CHERRY CHAPSTICK!
My son wore some pants that barely covered his knees and then grew sideburns!
My other son - watched a video and played Nintendo.
My poor wife - compromised totally and curled her hair!
Pray for us saints - we done gone to the DOGS!!!!!!
Bring them by and I will straighten them out and after we can sit around and laugh and eat all night.
COOPER
06-11-2007, 04:01 PM
that was not fermitted drink for getting drunk
I guess moses was a light weight!:killinme
:club:club:club
what part of that comment upset you ??
I'm used to not getting direct answers. Surely you said that as a term of endearment. Although one couldn't tell.
lighten up tv will you??
you talk about the ultra cons being uptight sheeesh!!!
tamor
06-11-2007, 04:04 PM
:lol
Remember, I've got a club. :club:club
berkeley
06-11-2007, 04:05 PM
what part of that comment upset you ??
:killinme
berkeley
06-11-2007, 04:05 PM
Remember, I've got a club. :club:club
"wire hangers... WIRE HANGERS>...." :eek:
revrandy
06-11-2007, 04:06 PM
AB... How many of them TBNer's do drink...you mentioned ealier that many of them did and don't advertise it...
I'm used to not getting direct answers. Surely you said that as a term of endearment. Although one couldn't tell.
If AB thought i was serious he would be racking me over the head by now you know that - it's for the fun of it goodness
here's my advice tv
take 2 apirins, out a cold compress on your head and lie flat on your back
ThePastorsCoach
06-11-2007, 04:06 PM
AB; I think you're still ok as long as you continue to where those white shirts with your suits!! :tiphat
Y'all PRAY FER ME PLEASE! I have got so low - I actually wore a COLORED SHIRT with my three piece suit to an Apostolic Church on Sunday night.
I probably influenced some there to start wearing colored shirts and I feel so bad about it now!
See what happens when you go Charismatic - You go plum to the dogs so quick! Pray for my wife - she wore OPEN TOE SHOES ON SUNDAY!!!!!!!!
Scott Hutchinson
06-11-2007, 04:07 PM
and would you put paula in that catagory ?
I really haven't heard her that much as I don't go for that prosperity bunch.
Some interpretations beg to differ about the amount of fermentation if any in the wine.
that was not fermitted drink for getting drunk
tamor
06-11-2007, 04:08 PM
"wire hangers... WIRE HANGERS>...." :eek:
???????
Y'all PRAY FER ME PLEASE! I have got so low - I actually wore a COLORED SHIRT with my three piece suit to an Apostolic Church on Sunday night.
I probably influenced some there to start wearing colored shirts and I feel so bad about it now!
See what happens when you go Charismatic - You go plum to the dogs so quick! Pray for my wife - she wore OPEN TOE SHOES ON SUNDAY!!!!!!!!
way too funny ! ! ! :killinme:killinme:killinme
BTW, do you ever wear those Loooong coats that the "Bro. men" wear with the multiple buttons that go below the knee ?? :lol
Steve Epley
06-11-2007, 04:08 PM
Y'all PRAY FER ME PLEASE! I have got so low - I actually wore a COLORED SHIRT with my three piece suit to an Apostolic Church on Sunday night.
I probably influenced some there to start wearing colored shirts and I feel so bad about it now!
See what happens when you go Charismatic - You go plum to the dogs so quick! Pray for my wife - she wore OPEN TOE SHOES ON SUNDAY!!!!!!!!
That does it you are definitely gone.
COOPER
06-11-2007, 04:08 PM
What about Deut. 14:26?
Bible? New wine in Old Bottles break the old bottles because the of the fermination process.
I have even heard it said over UPC puplits that Drinking a beer or wine was not a sin.
But they said they teach against it because of the appearance and stumbling block for converted abusers.
Some interpretations beg to differ about the amount of fermentation if any in the wine.
tv you and Coop can hook up for social hour :killinme
Scott Hutchinson
06-11-2007, 04:09 PM
Listen I'm more LIB than some here on AFF. But we must not forsake the principles Of Biblical Holiness ,God's people are supposed to live a lifestyle different from the Ungodly.
I hope you are a better doctor than you are a journalist. If not, I'll pass on the medical advice.
I saw the nutty icons....
If AB thought i was serious he would be racking me over the head by now you know that - it's for the fun of it goodness
here's my advice tv
take 2 apirins, out a cold compress on your head and lie flat on your back
COOPER
06-11-2007, 04:11 PM
tv you and Coop can hook up for social hour :killinme
I will put it on your club tab.:sshhh
Listen I'm more LIB than some here on AFF. But we must not forsake the principles Of Biblical Holiness ,God's people are supposed to live a lifestyle different from the Ungodly.
scott you didnt awnswer my last post - would you please thanks
lol !!!
tv you and Coop can hook up for social hour :killinme
ThePastorsCoach
06-11-2007, 04:11 PM
I really haven't heard her that much as I don't go for that prosperity bunch.
I am thinking about becoming a Prosperity Preacher! Can anyone on here give me good advice?
THAD - Lay off me buddy or I am gonna come out there and hand out CHERRY CHAPSTICK outside your church and cause a mass exodus. They will be Charismatic before you can lick your red lips!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was the ball cap with the "A" on it and listening to the Braves game on radio - that made me go down the slippery slope. Pray Fer Me Saints!
Let's order the lobster while we got Thad's credit card.
I will put it on your club tab.:sshhh
I hope you are a better doctor than you are a journalist. If not, I'll pass on the medical advice.
I saw the nutty icons....
Jesus LOoooooooves you and he cares about what you;re going thru:lovesmenot
Whole Hearted
06-11-2007, 04:13 PM
The Whites are nothing but a bunch of money grabbing cons who will tell people anything to get their money.
LaGirl
06-11-2007, 04:14 PM
I am thinking about becoming a Prosperity Preacher! Can anyone on here give me good advice?
THAD - Lay off me buddy or I am gonna come out there and hand out CHERRY CHAPSTICK outside your church and cause a mass exodus. They will be Charismatic before you can lick your red lips!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was the ball cap with the "A" on it and listening to the Braves game on radio - that made me go down the slippery slope. Pray Fer Me Saints!
that alone would make anyone slip!!!!
The Whites are nothing but a bunch of money grabbing cons who will tell people anything to get their money.
YOU OLE MEANIE ! ! !
COOPER
06-11-2007, 04:15 PM
My wife cleaned house for a womens Pastor and she allot of adult drinks in the cabinet.
Scott Hutchinson
06-11-2007, 04:16 PM
I wore my A cap recently ,am I backslidden ?
Sacerdotal
06-11-2007, 04:16 PM
This is the very kind of mockery that started this thread - imo
I may be considered lib by some but I will never mock what godly men believed and held on to.
ThePastorsCoach
06-11-2007, 04:16 PM
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way too funny ! ! ! :killinme:killinme:killinme
BTW, do you ever wear those Loooong coats that the "Bro. men" wear with the multiple buttons that go below the knee ?? :lol
Lord NO - I am a Conservative Apostolic Oneness Wesleyan Holiness Pentecostal Jesus Name One God preacher and I live in GEORGIA! I am a CONSERVATIVE HERE!!!!!!!!
Look who is touchy now. How many pills do you take handle reality? In cyberspace you become a basket case when there's a little pressure.
Thnx for the flowers. I'm allergic to pollen. lol
Jesus LOoooooooves you and he cares about what you;re going thru:lovesmenot
ThePastorsCoach
06-11-2007, 04:20 PM
I wore my A cap recently ,am I backslidden ?
Call Brother Cole and Brother Wheatly and maybe Brother Billy Davis - They are the ones that voted that rule in - along with the evil Mickey Mouse Watches!!
Sorry - I was traumatized by the 21 new UPC Rules and that mustache committee was just too much - I compromised and left.
I walked into a local pub to get a menu. Turns out they deliver, so I won't have to go to the establishment to get buy my lunch.
Look who is touchy now. How many pills do you take handle reality? In cyberspace you become a basket case when there's a little pressure.
Thnx for the flowers. I'm allergic to pollen. lol
BLESS YOU
If God blesses you half as much as he blesses me, you'll be walking on sunshine.
BLESS YOU
Call Brother Cole and Brother Wheatly and maybe Brother Billy Davis - They are the ones that voted that rule in - along with the evil Mickey Mouse Watches!!
Sorry - I was traumatized by the 21 new UPC Rules and that mustache committee was just too much - I compromised and left.
i do not believe anyone voted against wearing a base ball cap
that is IMPOSSIBLE!!!
Steadfast
06-11-2007, 04:25 PM
I just sat a few months ago at P. F. Changs in Baton Rouge and saw one of the Charismatics 'biggest and brightest' televangelists sitting with a so called 'Prophetess' and her husband. I had two young men from my Church with me and we got so tickled because the more wine they drank the more they wanted to prophelie over each other.
The more the 'spirits' moved the more they acted like the Spirit was moving. They were ridiculous and a reproach the way they were acting... take a swig of wine and then say, "Oh, and I feel the Lord telling me to tell you..." and waiting with their hand lifted for 'effect'.
One word comes to mind: PUKE.
The three of them drank enough to shame a dozen drunken sailors. Well, at least now I know where he got that dopey smile from.
:sly
Sounds like what happens in the backroom of districts dinenrs without the wine.
I just sat a few months ago at P. F. Changs in Baton Rouge and saw one of the Charismatics 'biggest and brightest' televangelists sitting with a so called 'Prophetess' and her husband. I had two young men from my Church with me and we got so tickled because the more wine they drank the more they wanted to prophelie over each other.
The more the 'spirits' moved the more they acted like the Spirit was moving. They were ridiculous and a reproach the way they were acting... take a swig of wine and then say, "Oh, and I feel the Lord telling me to tell you..." and waiting with their hand lifted for 'effect'.
One word comes to mind: PUKE.
The three of them drank enough to shame a dozen drunken sailors. Well, at least now I know where he got that dopey smile from.
:sly
Steve Epley
06-11-2007, 04:26 PM
I just sat a few months ago at P. F. Changs in Baton Rouge and saw one of the Charismatics 'biggest and brightest' televangelists sitting with a so called 'Prophetess' and her husband. I had two young men from my Church with me and we got so tickled because the more wine they drank the more they wanted to prophelie over each other.
The more the 'spirits' moved the more they acted like the Spirit was moving. They were ridiculous and a reproach the way they were acting... take a swig of wine and then say, "Oh, and I feel the Lord telling me to tell you..." and waiting with their hand lifted for 'effect'.
One word comes to mind: PUKE.
The three of them drank enough to shame a dozen drunken sailors. Well, at least now I know where he got that dopey smile from.
:sly
You are a legalist and have a critical attitude.:sly
I just sat a few months ago at P. F. Changs in Baton Rouge and saw one of the Charismatics 'biggest and brightest' televangelists sitting with a so called 'Prophetess' and her husband. I had two young men from my Church with me and we got so tickled because the more wine they drank the more they wanted to prophelie over each other.
The more the 'spirits' moved the more they acted like the Spirit was moving. They were ridiculous and a reproach the way they were acting... take a swig of wine and then say, "Oh, and I feel the Lord telling me to tell you..." and waiting with their hand lifted for 'effect'.
One word comes to mind: PUKE.
The three of them drank enough to shame a dozen drunken sailors. Well, at least now I know where he got that dopey smile from.
:sly
who were they? how did you know who THEY was ?
If God blesses you half as much as he blesses me, you'll be walking on sunshine.
bring it on then !:poloroid
Sacerdotal
06-11-2007, 04:29 PM
Call Brother Cole and Brother Wheatly and maybe Brother Billy Davis - They are the ones that voted that rule in - along with the evil Mickey Mouse Watches!!
Sorry - I was traumatized by the 21 new UPC Rules and that mustache committee was just too much - I compromised and left.
I like my signature line even more after posts like this.
Whole Hearted
06-11-2007, 04:29 PM
I just sat a few months ago at P. F. Changs in Baton Rouge and saw one of the Charismatics 'biggest and brightest' televangelists sitting with a so called 'Prophetess' and her husband. I had two young men from my Church with me and we got so tickled because the more wine they drank the more they wanted to prophelie over each other.
The more the 'spirits' moved the more they acted like the Spirit was moving. They were ridiculous and a reproach the way they were acting... take a swig of wine and then say, "Oh, and I feel the Lord telling me to tell you..." and waiting with their hand lifted for 'effect'.
One word comes to mind: PUKE.
The three of them drank enough to shame a dozen drunken sailors. Well, at least now I know where he got that dopey smile from.
:sly
Sound like ole AA Allen. He was nothing but a drunk and the cruisematics still brag about him.
This is the very kind of mockery that started this thread - imo
I may be considered lib by some but I will never mock what godly men believed and held on to.
what mockery ? from who ?
what side?
you lost me here
Steadfast
06-11-2007, 04:30 PM
You are a legalist and have a critical attitude.:sly
I'm a realist they are idiots.
:killinme
South of I 90
06-11-2007, 04:30 PM
The Whites are nothing but a bunch of money grabbing cons who will tell people anything to get their money.
I was wondering when someone from East Texas would use the race card!
:lol
I'm a realist they are idiots.
:killinme
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you called them IDIOTS?????????????
Come on
Steadfast
06-11-2007, 04:32 PM
Sounds like what happens in the backroom of districts dinenrs without the wine.
I'd trust a sober Apostolic that still loves truth over a drunken false prophet that couldn't hold truth if Jesus Himself put it in a wheelbarrow for him.
ThePastorsCoach
06-11-2007, 04:33 PM
What was that UPC presbyters name in Orlando that they had to cart off to the Rehab farm several times?????????????????
I did hear he had a drinkin' buddy that beat his wife so bad he put her in the hospital - I hear his buddy is on the district board now and his playboy son..................... well - better not talk about that - Let's get back to Randy and Paula!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
berkeley
06-11-2007, 04:33 PM
What was that UPC presbyters name in Orlando that they had to cart off to the Rehab farm several times?????????????????
I did hear he had a drinkin' buddy that beat his wife so bad he put her in the hospital - I hear his buddy is on the district board now and his playboy son..................... well - better not talk about that - Let's get back to Randy and Paula!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:haloplug
Sacerdotal
06-11-2007, 04:35 PM
what mockery ? from who ?
what side?
you lost me here
The way a few of these people mock sincere hearts who hold standards is just as much a mockery as the stuff that started this thread.
Steadfast
06-11-2007, 04:36 PM
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you called them IDIOTS?????????????
Come on
Report the post if you want to. Someone has to stand up and call a lie a lie.
:sshhh:killinme
Whole Hearted
06-11-2007, 04:37 PM
What was that UPC presbyters name in Orlando that they had to cart off to the Rehab farm several times?????????????????
I did hear he had a drinkin' buddy that beat his wife so bad he put her in the hospital - I hear his buddy is on the district board now and his playboy son..................... well - better not talk about that - Let's get back to Randy and Paula!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT.
South of I 90
06-11-2007, 04:37 PM
What was that UPC presbyters name in Orlando that they had to cart off to the Rehab farm several times?????????????????
I did hear he had a drinkin' buddy that beat his wife so bad he put her in the hospital - I hear his buddy is on the district board now and his playboy son..................... well - better not talk about that - Let's get back to Randy and Paula!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think his side job was wearing the Goofy costumn at Disney.....................wait I got the wrong guy.
Steve Epley
06-11-2007, 04:38 PM
TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT.
And two rights don't make a wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Wait a minute that might not be right.
Sacerdotal
06-11-2007, 04:38 PM
What was that UPC presbyters name in Orlando that they had to cart off to the Rehab farm several times?????????????????
I did hear he had a drinkin' buddy that beat his wife so bad he put her in the hospital - I hear his buddy is on the district board now and his playboy son..................... well - better not talk about that - Let's get back to Randy and Paula!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eternity awaits all of us AB. These kinds of things will most likely haunt you in time. Hopefully you will change your mind AGAIN.
who were they? how did you know who THEY was ?
*****BUMP FOR STEADFAST*****
What was that UPC presbyters name in Orlando that they had to cart off to the Rehab farm several times?????????????????
I did hear he had a drinkin' buddy that beat his wife so bad he put her in the hospital - I hear his buddy is on the district board now and his playboy son..................... well - better not talk about that - Let's get back to Randy and Paula!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The "I hear" comments sound a little close to gossip there, AB.
The way a few of these people mock sincere hearts who hold standards is just as much a mockery as the stuff that started this thread.
I think you're confused about something
ThePastorsCoach
06-11-2007, 04:40 PM
And two rights don't make a wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Wait a minute that might not be right.
Well- Somebody's gotta be right and somebody's gotta be wrong and if your all right - then I am all wrong and if I am all right then your all wrong and hmmmmmmmmmmmm what was that question??????????
:lol:lol:lol
triumphant1
06-11-2007, 04:40 PM
What was that UPC presbyters name in Orlando that they had to cart off to the Rehab farm several times?????????????????
I did hear he had a drinkin' buddy that beat his wife so bad he put her in the hospital - I hear his buddy is on the district board now and his playboy son..................... well - better not talk about that - Let's get back to Randy and Paula!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But his wife wore a dress and had a bun....so that makes it so we don't need to talk about those instances....uh oh...back to the Whites...
Report the post if you want to. Someone has to stand up and call a lie a lie.
:sshhh:killinme
IM CALLING THE OWNER OF THIS FORUM !!!:killinme:lol:killinme
NOW THIS IS GETTING GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:lol
berkeley
06-11-2007, 04:42 PM
But his wife wore a dress and had a bun....so that makes it so we don't need to talk about those instances....uh oh...back to the Whites...
:lol
triumphant1
06-11-2007, 04:43 PM
NOW THIS IS GETTING GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:lol
hey Thad...it's been widely known that many of the UPC Missionaries drink wine on the field....ummmm....back to the Whites...
Steadfast
06-11-2007, 04:44 PM
*****BUMP FOR STEADFAST*****
Not a chance, Thad. I sat at the table beside them and wondered why they didn't look that ridulous to the deceived souls they fleece for money.
The next time you see the goofy smile think "Mogen/David".
hey Thad...it's been widely known that many of the UPC Missionaries drink wine on the field....ummmm....back to the Whites...
I don't believe that
Not a chance, Thad. I sat at the table beside them and wondered why they didn't look that ridulous to the deceived souls they fleece for money.
The next time you see the goofy smile think "Mogen/David".
was this to be a hint??
i still didn't get it
i still think you were just guessing
unless you come out with the names....
berkeley
06-11-2007, 04:45 PM
I don't believe that
why not?
Steadfast
06-11-2007, 04:46 PM
I don't believe that
Thad, I make it a practice to not believe anything hurled at those still holding to righteousness by those who have an agenda against it.
berkeley
06-11-2007, 04:46 PM
Mogen David... gross wine!! eww...
triumphant1
06-11-2007, 04:48 PM
I don't believe that
Believe what you want...Check into it sometime if you must...but it is indeed true according to several first hand reports given to me...
The water's undrinkable....or the stomach is infested with a bug...and a little wine for the stomach's sake....except they have it with meals...:killinme
There are reasons why the missionaries go by a different "Articles of Faith" than the stateside preachers you know...or else they would have some trouble with the Affirmation Statement...
Mogen David... gross wine!! eww...
Ooooh! shows how dumb i am when it comes to wine titles
i thought it was the first names to the people he spotted LOL
Steadfast
06-11-2007, 04:48 PM
was this to be a hint??
i still didn't get it
i still think you were just guessing
unless you come out with the names....
Guessing about the brand of alchol, yes. About the people? 2 feet away? Prominent figures in the televangelist world? Not a chance.
I'm not sure why they were in town but I'm dead sure they were feeling no pain by the time they left P. F. Changs.
Monkeyman
06-11-2007, 04:49 PM
I don't believe that
You might want to take out the word "many" but it has happened. Also visiting preachers going to the mission field, especially communion..I know it to be so
You got it bruthah!!!
Sorry for pushing your buttons earlier. It was too easy... lol
bring it on then !:poloroid
berkeley
06-11-2007, 04:49 PM
on the street we call it "Mad Dog"
http://www.lovotti.com/brochures/Images/MD2020%20Red%20Grape%20Wine.jpg
Believe what you want...Check into it sometime if you must...but it is indeed true according to several first hand reports given to me...
The water's undrinkable....or the stomach is infested with a bug...and a little wine for the stomach's sake....except they have it with meals...:killinme
There are reasons why the missionaries go by a different "Articles of Faith" than the stateside preachers you know...or else they would have some trouble with the Affirmation Statement...
that might be an exception ??
no excuse here right? with all the safe drinking water ??
look, even the charismatics are buzzing about the whites in all their EXTREMITIES you don't agree ????
Guessing about the brand of alchol, yes. About the people? 2 feet away? Prominent figures in the televangelist world? Not a chance.
I'm not sure why they were in town but I'm dead sure they were feeling no pain by the time they left P. F. Changs.
PM me and I'll report it to TBN
You got it bruthah!!!
Sorry for pushing your buttons earlier. It was too easy... lol
it was all fun !
triumphant1
06-11-2007, 04:52 PM
Thad, I make it a practice to not believe anything hurled at those still holding to righteousness by those who have an agenda against it.
I have no agenda against you or anyone else...can I not join in the discussion?
I have neither defamed you or questioned your motives...you show your spirit...maybe you should have a drink and settle down the blood pressure...it unclogs arteries as well...:haloplug
Steadfast
06-11-2007, 04:54 PM
on the street we call it "Mad Dog"
http://www.lovotti.com/brochures/Images/MD2020%20Red%20Grape%20Wine.jpg
We called it MadDog 20/20 too but I didn't think anybody else here would recognize it.
But I went over the line and for that I apologize.
it was all fun !
triumphant1
06-11-2007, 04:55 PM
that might be an exception ??
no excuse here right? with all the safe drinking water ??
look, even the charismatics are buzzing about the whites in all their EXTREMITIES you don't agree ????
I have learned not to do much buzzing over things that are not really my business....
There are extremes everywhere...even in the UPC...so i have learned to just get over it.
berkeley
06-11-2007, 04:56 PM
We called it MadDog 20/20 too but I didn't think anybody else here would recognize it.
I have a story about MD 20/20 and a casino. But I will not get into that here.
That is the grossest wine I have ever tasted!! And I was practically a lush!!So
I tasted quite a bit...
Steadfast
06-11-2007, 04:58 PM
I have no agenda against you or anyone else...can I not join in the discussion?
I have neither defamed you or questioned your motives...you show your spirit...maybe you should have a drink and settle down the blood pressure...it unclogs arteries as well...:haloplug
I'm doing fine, actually. Thanks for the concern.
Mine was a general statement of a greater scope than yourself. I get tired of the constant war against those who choose to hold righteousness. Yes, most of that crowd has an agenda as some posts on this thread reveal.
I was a bouncer in my Grandfather's bar the night I got the Holy Ghost. I know about drinking. I haven't done it in 28 years. NO THANKS ON YOUR OFFER. Be careful about driving that way, though, I don't want you killing one of my children who now drive.
triumphant1
06-11-2007, 04:59 PM
I'm doing fine, actually. Thanks for the concern.
Mine was a general statement of a greater scope than yourself. I get tired of the constant war against those who choose to hold righteousness. Yes, most of that crowd has an agenda as some posts on this thread reveal.
I was a bouncer in my Grandfather's bar the night I got the Holy Ghost. I know about drinking. I haven't done it in 28 years. NO THANKS ON YOUR OFFER. Be careful about driving that way, though, I don't want you killing one of my children who now drive.
Oh my brother...I don't drink either. So we have something in common...
Have a great Youth Camp this week.
triumphant1
06-11-2007, 05:00 PM
You might want to take out the word "many" but it has happened. Also visiting preachers going to the mission field, especially communion..I know it to be so
Many may be too harsh...but several do, and I'm not talking about communion.
Steve Epley
06-11-2007, 05:02 PM
I confess I drink wine.
ThePastorsCoach
06-11-2007, 05:04 PM
I confess I drink wine.
WHAT??????????????
Next thing you know Epley will say he drink's at Joel's Place.
WHAT??????????????
But I went over the line and for that I apologize.
what comment went over the line ?? if so i hadn't noticed
I have learned not to do much buzzing over things that are not really my business....
There are extremes everywhere...even in the UPC...so i have learned to just get over it.
that was a neat little way of side stepping the issue
Hoovie
06-11-2007, 05:19 PM
WHAT??????????????
He is a wino on communion.:lol
Monkeyman
06-11-2007, 05:22 PM
I'm doing fine, actually. Thanks for the concern.
Mine was a general statement of a greater scope than yourself. I get tired of the constant war against those who choose to hold righteousness. Yes, most of that crowd has an agenda as some posts on this thread reveal.
I was a bouncer in my Grandfather's bar the night I got the Holy Ghost. I know about drinking. I haven't done it in 28 years. NO THANKS ON YOUR OFFER. Be careful about driving that way, though, I don't want you killing one of my children who now drive.
Note to self...never EVER tick this dude off!!!
SoCaliUPC
06-11-2007, 05:37 PM
what part ?
Thad...you are just jealous because you have always wanted to go in front of your church and show your tan off and have all those women cheering you on. You know it too!!!! :lol :poloroid
berkeley
06-11-2007, 05:39 PM
Thad...you are just jealous because you have always wanted to go in front of your church and show your tan off and have all those women cheering you on. You know it too!!!! :lol :poloroid
:killinme
mizpeh
06-11-2007, 06:02 PM
that was not fermitted drink for getting drunk
Why would you say that? Why the negative connotation in these verses?
Luke 7:33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.
34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!
Steve Epley
06-11-2007, 06:04 PM
He is a wino on communion.:lol
Yep.:sly
Rhoni
06-11-2007, 06:10 PM
*** A MUST READ ****
recently I know someone who recently visited Without wall church.
HERE IS WHAT TOOK PLACE ! !
While Randy was Preaching, he was talking about legalistic Traditional churches. He then started talking about so -called "Holiness churches" that don't allow this and that (makeup, jewelry etc). He then said " I want all the women here that are wearing Pants to stand up" he then Proceeded to tell them, " now in those churches ALL of you would be sent to hell none of you would be saved". the audience woooed and awed, laughed, and shook their heads in disbelief
He told them, Nobody is Perfect, I'm not perfect you're not perfect, and yes, I have a drink once in a while ! ! ! wow!!!!!!
*****NOW CHECK THIS OUT!!!!******
in the sermon, he bragged about his summer Tan. he asked " want me to show you ??? He then pretended to untie his tie and unbutton his shirt etc. while the audience cheered him on to continue on !!!!!!
YOUR OPINIONS PLEASE THANKS A BUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I personally don't believe he said it...I'd have to hear it in person. He would not say such a thing.:club
Rhoni
06-11-2007, 06:12 PM
Besides...I've heard 'standards' belittled and joked about from our own pulpits...and many of our churches serve wine for communion...so I guess those that do drink a bit themselves;)!
Praxeas
06-11-2007, 06:38 PM
The Lobby and Food Court, with its dynamic lighting and decorative features, will create a warm atmosphere in which the congregation can gather before and after each service. This new facility will include a bookstore, numerous resource centers, meeting rooms, and information centers conveniently located throughout the lobby area.
Describing his vision for the church's new home, Osteen explains: "We intend to share this great resource and make Lakewood Church Central a gathering point for the entire city of Houston. The ice rink and basketball facilities will remain open for families and city leagues. There will be concerts, sporting events, family conferences, conventions, business workshops, personal growth seminars and much more -and all of these opportunities will bring in people from all walks of life. We're going to touch untold thousands of lives in this place." After it opens in July, he predicts weekend attendance will rocket to 100,000. Says Osteen: "Other churches have not kept up, and they lose people by not changing with the times." (Emphasis Ours)
“On June 20, 2005, Osteen sat for an interview with Larry King on CNN’s The Larry King Show. King introduced Osteen as “evangelism’s hottest rising star, pastor for the biggest congregation in the United States.” And what does he preach? Osteen said he doesn’t get into controversial subjects like sin and judgment. False religions such as Islam, Hinduism, and Judaism don’t concern him. He doesn’t really know who’s going to hell and who isn’t”
Lakewood celebrates "the king", Elvis Presley: From Ingrid Schlueter of sliceoflaodicea.com who
“personally talked with one Elvis impersonator in Houston who has performed numerous times at Joel Osteen's Lakewood Church. .... It is somehow a fitting metaphor for these churches that the false god of their choice is a bloated, drug-infested rock star who died a lonely, needless and tragic death on the floor of his own bathroom.”
Also
“It seems Elvis impersonators are in big demand there as he is performing on the 22nd of October, this Saturday, for a nurses get together at the church. He said that it doesn't matter what kind of church he does Elvis at, it all "glorifies the Lord". He has 20 different outfits, one of which has 1,000 pieces of cut Austrian crystal and made by the same guy who made Elvis's suit of the same type. He said he wears a special suit for "Heartbreak Hotel" in honor of Elvis' first gold record. I haven't quite recovered from the conversation. Ralph stressed that he doesn't impersonate Elvis, because nobody can. "I pay tribute to him," he said. "The kids really eat it up," he added.”
http://www.inplainsite.org/html/tele-evangelist_lifestyles.html#TBN%20Salaries
Thad, I hope you get as excited about the moving of God's presence as you do about hearing the latest pieces of gossip. Your "gossiping tendancies" makes me sick to my stomach sometimes. That's probably why I rarely read your threads.
berkeley
06-11-2007, 07:07 PM
Thad, I hope you get as excited about the moving of God's presence as you do about hearing the latest pieces of gossip. Your "gossiping tendancies" makes me sick to my stomach sometimes. That's probably why I rarely read your threads.
Could you not have sent this in a PM???
Could you not have sent this in a PM???
Thad is very public about his opinions, why should anyone else be silent about theirs?
berkeley
06-11-2007, 07:12 PM
Thad is very public about his opinions, why should anyone else be silent about theirs?
:lol
BoredOutOfMyMind
06-11-2007, 07:12 PM
Thad, I make it a practice to not believe anything hurled at those still holding to righteousness by those who have an agenda against it.
All this fasination with Charismaticism must show Thad is headed for the dark side himself!
:aaa
Thad, I hope you get as excited about the moving of God's presence as you do about hearing the latest pieces of gossip. Your "gossiping tendancies" makes me sick to my stomach sometimes. That's probably why I rarely read your threads.
what are you doing on this thread then?? :lol
I hope to one day acheive such a sweet spirit that you have
BoredOutOfMyMind
06-11-2007, 07:14 PM
Thad, I hope you get as excited about the moving of God's presence as you do about hearing the latest pieces of gossip. Your "gossiping tendancies" makes me sick to my stomach sometimes. That's probably why I rarely read your threads.
Thad started six threads and TWO of them were untruth.
That is below the 51% threshold some hold for false prophets.
:search
Thad is very public about his opinions, why should anyone else be silent about theirs?
If you REALLY read my post you would see I am usually asking for OTHERS Opinions
This shows you've only come to personally attack me - so much for condemning others
RevDWW
06-11-2007, 07:15 PM
Thad started six threads and TWO of them were untruth.
That is below the 51% threshold some hold for false prophets.
:search
He might be a false prophet, but he could probably work for any of the major news outlets.........:killinme:killinme:killinme:killin me:killinme:killinme
berkeley
06-11-2007, 07:15 PM
Thad started six threads and TWO of them were untruth.
That is below the 51% threshold some hold for false prophets.
:search
Hit more than miss.. more right than wrong!! :poloroid
Thad started six threads and TWO of them were untruth.
That is below the 51% threshold some hold for false prophets.
:search
which 2 ?
what are you doing on this thread then?? :lol
I hope to one day acheive such a sweet spirit that you have
I'll make a deal with you. I'll work on finding a "sweet spirit" if you work on stopping your "gossiping attitude" and stop slandering anything that moves.
berkeley
06-11-2007, 07:17 PM
I'll make a deal with you. I'll work on finding a "sweet spirit" if you work on stopping your "gossiping attitude" and stop slandering anything that moves.
:eek:
RevDWW
06-11-2007, 07:17 PM
If you REALLY read my post you would see I am usually asking for OTHERS Opinions
This shows you've only come to personally attack me - so much for condemning others
Posing questions to get out info is not a new method, it is used quite often........:lol:lol:lol:lol
From what I hear God shows up as soon as Thad powers up the Hammond. lol
Thad, I hope you get as excited about the moving of God's presence as you do about hearing the latest pieces of gossip. Your "gossiping tendancies" makes me sick to my stomach sometimes. That's probably why I rarely read your threads.
I'll make a deal with you. I'll work on finding a "sweet spirit" if you work on stopping your "gossiping attitude" and stop slandering anything that moves.
better yet just stay away from my threads, post etc and i will be perfectly fine to reciprocate the favor.
And how does 2 out 6 equal 51%
which 2 ?
Praxeas
06-11-2007, 07:19 PM
Thad, I hope you get as excited about the moving of God's presence as you do about hearing the latest pieces of gossip. Your "gossiping tendancies" makes me sick to my stomach sometimes. That's probably why I rarely read your threads.
So what does that mean for those other times when you DO read his threads and you DON'T get sick to your stomach?
Posing questions to get out info is not a new method, it is used quite often........:lol:lol:lol:lol
i didn't say information i said OPINIONS
RevDWW
06-11-2007, 07:20 PM
Alright boys, go to the neutral corners........Take this rough housing outside will yah.......:sly
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