"Easter" was not a pagan word in 1611

[Sean]

The etymology of "Easter" is similar to that of Aνατελλω

"Easter" is etymologically related to "east" (the direction) and refers to the "rising" of our Lord. This connection between the eastern direction and the resurrection makes some Christians nervous about a possible pagan influence. However, there is no reason for such concern because this connection between the eastern direction and the verb "to rise" is even found in the language in which the New Testament was written. The Greek verb "ανατελλω (anatello)" means "to rise" (Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon) and it is the word translated as "arise" in the above passage in 2 Peter 1:19 about Christ rising in our hearts. It is also the word used in Hebrews 7:14 which says that our Lord "sprang out of Juda". And "ανατελλω" is related to the word, "ανατολη (anatole)", which means, "the east (the direction of the sun’s rising)" (Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon). So there is a connection between the eastern direction and the verb "to rise" even in the language of the New Testament. The writers of the New Testament did not avoid using the verb "ανατελλω" (to rise) despite its derivation from the Greek word for "east".
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAAahUKEwjltNzJuKTHAhVITIgKHW_kAVg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kjvtoday.com%2Fhome%2Feaster-or-passover-in-acts-124&ei=YrTLVeX7KsiYoQTvyIfABQ&usg=AFQjCNFPuQl1Yujietv7nky1X44p3rs6Bg&bvm=bv.99804247,d.cGU

[Sean]

Seems like a very articulate post this man put together(for an imbecile)...LOL

[Esaias]

From the Oxford online dictionary -

"Both baby and babe probably come from the way that the sound ba is repeated by very young children. Babble (Middle English) probably came from the same source, along with words such as mama (mid 16th century) and papa (late 17th century). Similar forms are found in many different languages. "

It is of course well known that the hebrew 'babel' (as in Babylon) means to babble, ie talk like a baby. So there IS an etymological connection between baby and Babylon. :heeheehee

[mfblume]

The Greek word, "πασχα (pascha)", is correctly translated as "Passover" 28 times in the New Testament in the KJV. For this reason, some critics say that the KJV's isolated instance of translating the word as "Easter" in Acts 12:4 is an error. These critics agree with translations such as the ESV which has "Passover" in Acts 12:4. This article explains why the KJV is correct in translating "Pascha" as "Easter" in Acts 12:4. To begin with, we must set the record straight that "Easter" is not a pagan word.


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAAahUKEwjltNzJuKTHAhVITIgKHW_kAVg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kjvtoday.com%2Fhome%2Feaster-or-passover-in-acts-124&ei=YrTLVeX7KsiYoQTvyIfABQ&usg=AFQjCNFPuQl1Yujietv7nky1X44p3rs6Bg&bvm=bv.99804247,d.cGU
Nobody can apply the CONCEPT of Jesus rising in the Morning at dawn to the definition of the word passover, because Passover simply is not defined as that whatsoever. The man that wrote the article is grasping for straws to justify the KJV's use of Easter. He's trying to take the spiritual picture of resurrection in the morning and apply it to the Passover fulfillment of Jesus as if we can DERIVE that connection spiritually rather than make a direct connection to the definition of PASSOVER in relation to EASTER. That is crazy!

Essentially this guy who wrote that article is saying definitions of words don't matter, therefore making the KJV use of EASTER to NOT BE A TRANSLATION issue! A TRANSLATION is taking the Greek word and knowing what it's definition is and finding the English word with the exact same DEFINITION. Nobody can take related EVENTS that are not actually part of the Greek word's definition and find an English word that includes the thought of THOSE EVENTS!

That is as crazy as saying the Greek word for strawberry can be (ahem) "translated" as "Tuesday," because strawberries are usually picked at Joe's strawberry farm on Tuesdays. If anyone argues against that, then tell them it's not a matter of definitions of a word, but of associated events in relation to the word outside its actual definition.

[mfblume]

The etymology of "Easter" is similar to that of Aνατελλω

"Easter" is etymologically related to "east" (the direction) and refers to the "rising" of our Lord.

But it is not etymologically related to PASSOVER.

This connection between the eastern direction and the resurrection makes some Christians nervous about a possible pagan influence. However, there is no reason for such concern because this connection between the eastern direction and the verb "to rise" is even found in the language in which the New Testament was written.

But it has nothing to do with the actual meaning of PASSOVER.

The Greek verb "ανατελλω (anatello)" means "to rise" (Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon) and it is the word translated as "arise" in the above passage in 2 Peter 1:19 about Christ rising in our hearts. It is also the word used in Hebrews 7:14 which says that our Lord "sprang out of Juda". And "ανατελλω" is related to the word, "ανατολη (anatole)", which means, "the east (the direction of the sun’s rising)" (Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon). So there is a connection between the eastern direction and the verb "to rise" even in the language of the New Testament. The writers of the New Testament did not avoid using the verb "ανατελλω" (to rise) despite its derivation from the Greek word for "east".
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAAahUKEwjltNzJuKTHAhVITIgKHW_kAVg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kjvtoday.com%2Fhome%2Feaster-or-passover-in-acts-124&ei=YrTLVeX7KsiYoQTvyIfABQ&usg=AFQjCNFPuQl1Yujietv7nky1X44p3rs6Bg&bvm=bv.99804247,d.cGU

But rising and east have nothing to do with the actual meaning of PASSOVER. So it's not a TRANSLATION of PASSOVER at all. Imagine what our bibles would be like if they rejected definitions of Greek and Hebrew words in their attempts to find an English word with the same definitions?!?!?!??!!?

It's like the Jehovah;s Witnesses changing John 1:1 because OF THEIR DOCTRINE, bit because of actual Greek words used. The writer of that article needs to be throne out on his ear!

[mfblume]

Easter is not a pagan word


Myth 1: the KJV translators used "Easter" to refer to a pagan festival

The first myth to refute is the claim that the KJV uses "Easter" at Acts 12:4 to refer to a pagan holiday celebrated by king Herod. This myth is propagated by some KJV apologists who may be well-intentioned in upholding the inerrancy of the KJV. Yet such a myth defies what the KJV translators believed and practiced. Included in the 1611 edition of the KJV is a chart for finding the day of Easter in a given year. It is evident that the KJV translators viewed Easter as a Christian holiday. If the KJV translators considered Easter to be a Christian holiday, it is doubtful that they used it to mean a pagan holiday at Acts 12:4.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAAahUKEwjltNzJuKTHAhVITIgKHW_kAVg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kjvtoday.com%2Fhome%2Feaster-or-passover-in-acts-124&ei=YrTLVeX7KsiYoQTvyIfABQ&usg=AFQjCNFPuQl1Yujietv7nky1X44p3rs6Bg&bvm=bv.99804247,d.cGU

If that is correct, then the writer of the article did just as much error and damage in justifying the use of EASTER for PASSOVER since the definition of PASSOVER IS NOT THE SAME AS EASTER.

What is the difference between saying Easter came from Astarte (if it actually didn't) and "Passover" should be translated as "Easter"?

But the dictionary, said EASTER derived from the pagan concept, and the dictionary DID NOT GET THAT FROM ALEXANDER HISLOP!

[Evang.Benincasa]

And join you guys as the bonafide enemies of the validity of the KJV translators?

To dedicate myself to your cause in order to make the KJV translators appear to be imbiciles?

Not on your life!

No, correction, you are an imbecile, who teamed up with another imbecile, to prove the KJV translators are imbeciles. :)

You need to stop trying to defend the KJV because you are doing a very poor job.

[Evang.Benincasa]

If that is correct, then the writer of the article did just as much error and damage in justifying the use of EASTER for PASSOVER since the definition of PASSOVER IS NOT THE SAME AS EASTER.

What is the difference between saying Easter came from Astarte (if it actually didn't) and "Passover" should be translated as "Easter"?

But the dictionary, said EASTER derived from the pagan concept, and the dictionary DID NOT GET THAT FROM ALEXANDER HISLOP!

:thumbsup

[Evang.Benincasa]

The etymology of "Easter" is similar to that of Aνατελλω

"Easter" is etymologically related to "east" (the direction) and refers to the "rising" of our Lord. This connection between the eastern direction and the resurrection makes some Christians nervous about a possible pagan influence. However, there is no reason for such concern because this connection between the eastern direction and the verb "to rise" is even found in the language in which the New Testament was written. The Greek verb "ανατελλω (anatello)" means "to rise" (Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon) and it is the word translated as "arise" in the above passage in 2 Peter 1:19 about Christ rising in our hearts. It is also the word used in Hebrews 7:14 which says that our Lord "sprang out of Juda". And "ανατελλω" is related to the word, "ανατολη (anatole)", which means, "the east (the direction of the sun’s rising)" (Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon). So there is a connection between the eastern direction and the verb "to rise" even in the language of the New Testament. The writers of the New Testament did not avoid using the verb "ανατελλω" (to rise) despite its derivation from the Greek word for "east".
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAAahUKEwjltNzJuKTHAhVITIgKHW_kAVg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kjvtoday.com%2Fhome%2Feaster-or-passover-in-acts-124&ei=YrTLVeX7KsiYoQTvyIfABQ&usg=AFQjCNFPuQl1Yujietv7nky1X44p3rs6Bg&bvm=bv.99804247,d.cGU

Sean, please explain what ανατελλω has to do with πάσχα?

How does πάσχα mean to ascend? Better yet, how does Easter mean to ascend?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Nobody can apply the CONCEPT of Jesus rising in the Morning at dawn to the definition of the word passover, because Passover simply is not defined as that whatsoever. The man that wrote the article is grasping for straws to justify the KJV's use of Easter. He's trying to take the spiritual picture of resurrection in the morning and apply it to the Passover fulfillment of Jesus as if we can DERIVE that connection spiritually rather than make a direct connection to the definition of PASSOVER in relation to EASTER. That is crazy!

Essentially this guy who wrote that article is saying definitions of words don't matter, therefore making the KJV use of EASTER to NOT BE A TRANSLATION issue! A TRANSLATION is taking the Greek word and knowing what it's definition is and finding the English word with the exact same DEFINITION. Nobody can take related EVENTS that are not actually part of the Greek word's definition and find an English word that includes the thought of THOSE EVENTS!

That is as crazy as saying the Greek word for strawberry can be (ahem) "translated" as "Tuesday," because strawberries are usually picked at Joe's strawberry farm on Tuesdays. If anyone argues against that, then tell them it's not a matter of definitions of a word, but of associated events in relation to the word outside its actual definition.

Elder, that was funny! :highfive

[Evang.Benincasa]

From the Oxford online dictionary -

"Both baby and babe probably come from the way that the sound ba is repeated by very young children. Babble (Middle English) probably came from the same source, along with words such as mama (mid 16th century) and papa (late 17th century). Similar forms are found in many different languages. "

It is of course well known that the hebrew 'babel' (as in Babylon) means to babble, ie talk like a baby. So there IS an etymological connection between baby and Babylon. :heeheehee

:happydance

[Praxeas]

It is my position that "Easter" in Acts 12:4 in the KJV is not an error, if understood that from the early church until relatively recently "Passover" and "Easter" were basically synonyms and used interchangeably......


Then Easter does NOT mean "east" or whatever else you said. The fact is Easter, the word, has absolutely nothing to do with Passing Over

The usual argument for the pagan origins of Easter is based on a comment made by the Venerable Bede (http://www.christianitytoday.com/ch/131christians/scholarsandscientists/bede.html) (673-735), an English monk who wrote the first history of Christianity in England, and who is one of our main sources of knowledge about early Anglo-Saxon culture. In De temporum ratione (On the Reckoning of Time, c. 730), Bede wrote this:


In olden times the English people—for it did not seem fitting that I should speak of other nations' observance of the year and yet be silent about my own nation's—calculated their months according to the course of the Moon. Hence, after the manner of the Greeks and the Romans, [the months] take their name from the Moon, for the Moon is called mona and the month monath.

The first month, which the Latins call January, is Giuli; February is called Solmonath; March Hrethmonath; April, Eosturmonath … Eosturmonath has a name which is now translated "Paschal month" and which was once called after a goddess of theirs named Eostre, in whose honour feasts were celebrated in that month. Now they designate that Paschal season by her name, calling the joys of the new rite by the time-honoured name of the old observance.

Ok? The English borrowed the word from the pagans, because they called April Eosturmonath after the goddess named EOSTRE.

So..if it REALLY means Passover, why didn't your KJV use EASTER all the time?

Easter has come to mean, in Christianity, NOT Passover but the celebration of the Resurrection. How do you explain that?

[Praxeas]

To the KJV translator, the word "easter" simply meant "sunrise" or "dawn"...thats it.

It is my position that "Easter" in Acts 12:4 in the KJV is not an error, if understood that from the early church until relatively recently "Passover" and "Easter" were basically synonyms and used interchangeably......



:laffatu

[Esaias]

Then Easter does NOT mean "east" or whatever else you said. The fact is Easter, the word, has absolutely nothing to do with Passing Over

The usual argument for the pagan origins of Easter is based on a comment made by the Venerable Bede (http://www.christianitytoday.com/ch/131christians/scholarsandscientists/bede.html) (673-735), an English monk who wrote the first history of Christianity in England, and who is one of our main sources of knowledge about early Anglo-Saxon culture. In De temporum ratione (On the Reckoning of Time, c. 730), Bede wrote this:


In olden times the English people—for it did not seem fitting that I should speak of other nations' observance of the year and yet be silent about my own nation's—calculated their months according to the course of the Moon. Hence, after the manner of the Greeks and the Romans, [the months] take their name from the Moon, for the Moon is called mona and the month monath.

The first month, which the Latins call January, is Giuli; February is called Solmonath; March Hrethmonath; April, Eosturmonath … Eosturmonath has a name which is now translated "Paschal month" and which was once called after a goddess of theirs named Eostre, in whose honour feasts were celebrated in that month. Now they designate that Paschal season by her name, calling the joys of the new rite by the time-honoured name of the old observance.

Ok? The English borrowed the word from the pagans, because they called April Eosturmonath after the goddess named EOSTRE.

So..if it REALLY means Passover, why didn't your KJV use EASTER all the time?

Easter has come to mean, in Christianity, NOT Passover but the celebration of the Resurrection. How do you explain that?


I wonder if there's a connection to the word estrogen here...

[Praxeas]

I wonder if there's a connection to the word estrogen here...
No but interesting thought

estrogen (n.) (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=estrogen&allowed_in_frame=0) http://www.etymonline.com/graphics/dictionary.gif (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=estrogen)coined 1927 from comb. form of estrus (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=estrus&allowed_in_frame=0) + -gen (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=-gen&allowed_in_frame=0). So called for the hormone's ability to produce estrus.

[Evang.Benincasa]

:laffatu

Now, does everyone understand that Sean only cuts and pastes these articles without having the faintest idea to what he is doing? :lol

[Evang.Benincasa]

I wonder if there's a connection to the word estrogen here...

https://media2.giphy.com/media/ph6ewybUlGbW8/200.gif

[Esaias]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/ph6ewybUlGbW8/200.gif

Probably more connections than need be elaborated. :heeheehee

[Sean]

You guys said all that to say the KJV translators were imbiciles...LOL





In reality, the loser in this argument is the one that has an error filled Bible translation.

That is you guys.:nod

[Evang.Benincasa]

You guys said all that to say the KJV translators were imbiciles...LOL

In reality, the loser in this argument is the one that has an error filled Bible translation.

That is you guys.:nod

No, Sean, you are an imbecile, because you post imbecilic statements. ;)

[Evang.Benincasa]

http://www.kjv-only.com/ifkjonly.html

Sean, here is that website you posted, read it! :)

[Evang.Benincasa]

To the KJV translator, the word "easter" simply meant "sunrise" or "dawn"...thats it.

Easter meant what to the KJV translators?

Who posted this comment?

Sean?

You posted the above.

If the KJV translators were alive today, they would take your KJV translation away from you, and slap the snot out of you for making such a dishonest attempt to represent them. :)

[ApostolicKitty]

Interesting thread. I learned a lot from it. I now know that Herod was an alien from the planet Estrogonia and was eating a soy burger while waiting for the sun to rise when his great granddaughter danced for him and turned into an easter egg.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Interesting thread. I learned a lot from it. I now know that Herod was an alien from the planet Estrogonia and was eating a soy burger while waiting for the sun to rise when his great granddaughter danced for him and turned into an easter egg.

http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/03/ROFL-KID-GIF.gif?gs=a

[Sean]

Okay Benencasa, your Bible is wrong.....there, I admit it.

Now you feel better?

[Praxeas]

To the KJV translator, the word "easter" simply meant "sunrise" or "dawn"...thats it.

It is my position that "Easter" in Acts 12:4 in the KJV is not an error, if understood that from the early church until relatively recently "Passover" and "Easter" were basically synonyms and used interchangeably......


:killinme

[Sean]

Okay Prax, your Bible is wrong.....there, I admit it.

Now you feel better?

[Evang.Benincasa]

:killinme

Sean, doesn't read the websites he posts here, and then gets angry with us when we point that out to him.

:toofunny

[Evang.Benincasa]

Okay Prax, your Bible is wrong.....there, I admit it.

Now you feel better?

Sean?

You are a sore loser.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/13LFdzX24D7t7y/200.gif

[Evang.Benincasa]

To the KJV translator, the word "easter" simply meant "sunrise" or "dawn"...thats it.

Sean, YOU posted this remember?

[Godsdrummer]

Sean, YOU posted this remember?

Don't you know Sean cannot back down because to do so would mean he would have to admit that the KJV is not infallible. He would loose his faith and everything he believes in. Sean does not have faith in God we see that now, his faith in the KJV without it he has nothing.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Don't you know Sean cannot back down because to do so would mean he would have to admit that the KJV is not infallible. He would loose his faith and everything he believes in. Sean does not have faith in God we see that now, his faith in the KJV without it he has nothing.

Sean, as he reads our posts

https://media4.giphy.com/media/kU4cPRTVj7SNO/200.gif

[mfblume]

Okay Prax, your Bible is wrong.....there, I admit it.

Now you feel better?

And that's all you can say after all this discussion where we analyzed the meaning of pascha. Typical.

[Praxeas]

To the KJV translator, the word "easter" simply meant "sunrise" or "dawn"...thats it.

It is my position that "Easter" in Acts 12:4 in the KJV is not an error, if understood that from the early church until relatively recently "Passover" and "Easter" were basically synonyms and used interchangeably......

:slaphappy

Sean, do you understand why these two statements by you make you look stupid?

Yes or no?

[Sean]

:slaphappy

Sean, do you understand why these two statements by you make you look stupid?

Yes or no?


Prax, the author is speaking of a "christian" passover here, not Jewish, as synonymous with "pasha"...

"Pascha" means Easter today

Now that it has been demonstrated that "Easter" is a biblical word referring to the day to celebrate Christ's resurrection, it will be shown why the KJV is correct in translating "Πάσχα (Pascha)" as "Easter" at Acts 12:4. For starters, here are some modern Greek-English dictionaries showing that at least in modern Greek the primary meaning of "Pascha" is "Easter", not "Passover":


Oxford Greek-English Learner's Dictionary (Oxford UP, 2012)



Collins Greek-English Dictionary (HarperCollins, 2003)



Divry's Modern English-Greek and Greek-English Desk Dictionary (D.C. Divry, 1991)



Divry's Modern English-Greek and Greek-English Desk Dictionary (D.C. Divry, 1991)

"Pascha" is a polyseme, a word with multiple meanings. In certain contexts it refers to the Jewish Passover (celebration of the Exodus). In other contexts it refers to the Christian Easter. When used by Jews in a context prior to Christ’s resurrection, the word always refers to the Jewish Passover. However, when used by Greek Christians in a context after Christ’s resurrection (as I see it..."sunrise celebration")(as Luke, the narrator of Acts, did in Acts 12:4), the word refers to Easter.


That is the point I was trying to make.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Sean]

Don't you know Sean cannot back down because to do so would mean he would have to admit that the KJV is not infallible. He would loose his faith and everything he believes in. Sean does not have faith in God we see that now, his faith in the KJV without it he has nothing.




Loren, you are right.

You guys have no Bible to call infallible, but teach it as the "psuedo word of God"

The day I see it your way, I will cease to teach "mans' errors".(I really don't know how you can conscientiously teach it, with errors in the back of your mind)

The only reason that preachers teach around(avoid) these so-called problems in their Bibles publicly, is because they are busy manipulating the masses to make a living from the coffers of the saints.

I NEVER hear teachers confront these "errors" in their Bibles publicly, but rather, lie to the saints weekly that their Bibles are trustworthy.

These men are merely salesmen, without conviction, hoping you do not read the fine print.

[Sean]

Loren, I know all preterists are dedicated with trying to discredit me in any way they can, because I destroyed them in the subject of preterism, but this is a different subject now. It is about a decision in our minds that the "word of God" is either PSEUDO or CORRECT.

If you teach the Bible is PSEUDO, then it is laced with lies.

If you teach the Bible is CORRECT, then you must agree with it completely.

[Sean]

pseu·do (so͞o′dō)
adj.
False or counterfeit; fake.



If your Bible is translated wrong, then it is PSEUDO!

Make the call!

[Sean]

Do any of you "correct" Acts 12:4 with the congregations you teach as you read it, or do you avoid the verse or subject entirely?

If you read it, and allow the congregation to continue to believe it is translated wrong, then you are taking part in deceiving them.

[Sean]

I dare any of you guys to get up and tell your congregations that Acts 12:4 is a bad translation.

I dare you!

[mfblume]

I dare any of you guys to get up and tell your congregations that Acts 12:4 is a bad translation.

I dare you!

I did.

[Sean]

So that is why you have a sword behind the pulpit Mike?

To keep them from deserting you?....LOL

[mfblume]

Passover was the Greek word in acts 12. It's context had nothing to do with Christ's resurrection in association of herod. So it's crazy to say it referred to Christ's resurrection in its context, as herod had nothing to do with his resurrection. It's the Jewish passover he honored hypocritically. And easter is not a TRANSLATION because translations use words with the same definitions. You're on dangerous ground, Sean.

[mfblume]

So that is why you have a sword behind the pulpit Mike?

To keep them from deserting you?....LOL

To show them its rightly dividing truth.

[Sean]

Mike, I am only seeking answers to vindicate my Bible.

I dont do this for money.

[Sean]

To show them its rightly dividing truth.


I was just kidding..LOL

[mfblume]

Mike, I am only seeking answers to vindicate my Bible.

I dont do this for money.

You are trying to only win an argument. Save face. Nobody wanting truth would accept a word not using the same definition of the Greek, once they learned that was the case with easter.

[Evang.Benincasa]

So that is why you have a sword behind the pulpit Mike?

To keep them from deserting you?....LOL

I was just kidding..LOL

Proverbs 26:19

So is the man that deceiveth his neighbour, and saith, Am not I in sport?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Mike, I am only seeking answers to vindicate my Bible.

I dont do this for money.

Man, you are always preoccupied with money.

No wonder your favorite doctrine is about withholding it. :heeheehee

[Evang.Benincasa]

To the KJV translator, the word "easter" simply meant "sunrise" or "dawn"...thats it.

:heeheehee

[Sean]

You are trying to only win an argument. Save face. Nobody wanting truth would accept a word not using the same definition of the Greek, once they learned that was the case with easter.



Win an argument?

I intruduced a post to attempt to vindicate the KJV into a wolf pack...LOL

[mfblume]

Win an argument?

I intruduced a post to attempt to vindicate the KJV into a wolf pack...LOL

Why can't you accept the fact easter is not a "translation"?

[Sean]

According to the original post, it is Mike.

[Sean]

Contents
1 Acts 12:4 in Greek and English
2 Easter is not a pagan word2.1 Myth 1: the KJV translators used "Easter" to refer to a pagan festival
2.2 Myth 2: "Easter" comes from the goddess named "Ishtar" or "Astarte"
2.3 Myth 3: "Easter" comes from the goddess named "Eostre"2.3.1

"Easter" means "dawn"
2.3.2 The resurrection morning = "dawn" par excellence
2.3.3 The resurrection = spiritual "dawn"
2.3.4 The etymology of "Easter" is similar to that of Aνατελλω

2.4 Myth 4: "Easter" is tainted by residual pagan etymology
2.5 Myth 5: "Easter eggs" and "Easter bunnies" discredit Easter
2.6 Myth 6: The calculation of the date of Easter is pagan

3 The KJV is correct in having "Easter" at Acts 12:43.1 "Pascha" means Easter today
3.2 "Pascha" meant Easter in the first century
3.3 "Pascha" meant Easter to Luke, the narrator of Acts 12:

Read more......

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAAahUKEwjltNzJuKTHAhVITIgKHW_kAVg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kjvtoday.com%2Fhome%2Feaster-or-passover-in-acts-124&ei=YrTLVeX7KsiYoQTvyIfABQ&usg=AFQjCNFPuQl1Yujietv7nky1X44p3rs6Bg&bvm=bv.99804247,d.cGU.

[Sean]

This is good stuff!

[mfblume]

According to the original post, it is Mike.

No its not. Easter does not have the same definition as passover. Simple as that. So it's not a translation.

[Sean]

That is merely your opinion Mike. And you are entitled to it.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Win an argument?

I intruduced a post to attempt to vindicate the KJV into a wolf pack...LOL

Well, it didn't vindicate anything, it only made the water muddier. Yet, that is what you always do Sean. You seem to have a knack in making things cloud up while in your delusional state believe you are shining a light. Yet, you are on a crash course to ultimate destruction. You listen to no one, even the websites you post you don't even read and that's why you get yourself in the trick bag with other posters. You are a dancing bear, a monkey with clanging cymbals, yearning for someone to give you recognition. Maybe you should take notice to reactions you get which are less then positive, and keep in mind that you aren't being persecuted for the name of Christ, but for the buffoonery of Sean. Wolves attacking you? You think too much of yourself, no Sean, no wolves, no attacking, just a bit of mockery, the same sort which Elijah gave the false prophets of Baal. :)

[Evang.Benincasa]

No its not. Easter does not have the same definition as passover. Simple as that. So it's not a translation.


That is merely your opinion Mike. And you are entitled to it.


No, no Sean, it isn't Brother Blume's opinion. You see, that is why you have zero credibility. Brother Blume is stating fact, fact which is backed up by a plethora of hard evidence. I truly, pity the pastor who currently has you in his church family. Because it is only a matter of time before the real YOU rises up against the ministry. I pray that the pastor has the grit enough to grab you by the collar and belt loops to give you the right foot of fellowship, when that time arises.

[mfblume]

That is merely your opinion Mike. And you are entitled to it.

No, it's the dictionaries' facts. When I read the dictionary to you, it's not my opinion.

[Evang.Benincasa]

No, it's the dictionaries' facts. When I read the dictionary to you, it's not my opinion.

Again, this shouldn't be a hard thing to understand in a real world where people are somewhat honest when faced with hard credible evidence. Yet, Sean, doesn't deal with a real world paradigm. Even when faced with the most simplistic evidence he refuses to admit he is wrong. Yet, instead of walking away from the argument he soldiers on but this time with misrepresenting those who have opposed him. Sean, would make a good cult leader, but the truth is that I highly doubt he has the charisma. Because if he acts the same way as he post here, it doesn't look like he keeps many friends. :heeheehee

[Godsdrummer]

Loren, I know all preterists are dedicated with trying to discredit me in any way they can, because I destroyed them in the subject of preterism, but this is a different subject now. It is about a decision in our minds that the "word of God" is either PSEUDO or CORRECT.

If you teach the Bible is PSEUDO, then it is laced with lies.

If you teach the Bible is CORRECT, then you must agree with it completely.

First off Sean you did not destroy anyone on the subject of preterism except in your own imagination. Wow your delusion has no bounds.

As for the book you call the bible or any translation for that matter, I have no problem with it being fallible. The infallible word of God is still found within a fallible book written by men and translated many times over the period of 2000 plus years. One need not take every word written by man that is compiled by men and called the bible to be infallible.

Not one bible is a perfect translation, get over it.

[Godsdrummer]

It really does not matter if Easter was a pagan word in 1611 anyway, it is still a miss translation any way you look at it!!!

[Sean]

First off Sean you did not destroy anyone on the subject of preterism except in your own imagination. Wow your delusion has no bounds.

As for the book you call the bible or any translation for that matter, I have no problem with it being fallible. The infallible word of God is still found within a fallible book written by men and translated many times over the period of 2000 plus years. One need not take every word written by man that is compiled by men and called the bible to be infallible.

Not one bible is a perfect translation, get over it.



Loren, you HUUUUURT me!!!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Loren, you HUUUUURT me!!!


http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m34gl4XI6E1qfkkcy.gif

[Sean]

lol

[FlamingZword]

First off Sean you did not destroy anyone on the subject of preterism except in your own imagination. Wow your delusion has no bounds.

As for the book you call the bible or any translation for that matter, I have no problem with it being fallible. The infallible word of God is still found within a fallible book written by men and translated many times over the period of 2000 plus years. One need not take every word written by man that is compiled by men and called the bible to be infallible.

Not one bible is a perfect translation, get over it.

The Spanish translation "La Reina Valera 1909" is the Only infallible word of God, if you all gringos want to be saved then you will have to learn Spanish. :D

Hechos 12:4 "Y habiéndole preso, púsole en la cárcel, entregándole á cuatro cuaterniones de soldados que le guardasen; queriendo sacarle al pueblo después de la Pascua"

[Evang.Benincasa]

The Spanish translation "La Reina Valera 1909" is the Only infallible word of God, if you all gringos want to be saved then you will have to learn Spanish. :D

Hechos 12:4 "Y habiéndole preso, púsole en la cárcel, entregándole á cuatro cuaterniones de soldados que le guardasen; queriendo sacarle al pueblo después de la Pascua"

https://media2.giphy.com/media/dKdtyye7l5f44/200.gif

[FlamingZword]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/dKdtyye7l5f44/200.gif

Where did you got my secret video? :D

[Evang.Benincasa]

Where did you got my secret video? :D

That's you? :)

[Sean]

Well, in conclusion....

Since I started a couple of KJV only threads, I have been called an imbecile, Jim Jones, a cult leader, David Koresh, Joseph Goebbels(Nazi party propagandist), etc.....LOL

I sure miss the good ol days, when we all believed the KJV Bible was infallible....sigh!



Here is what I think of you multiversionist, KJV translation bashers....



:nahnah





LOL

[Evang.Benincasa]

Well, in conclusion....

Since I started a couple of KJV only threads, I have been called an imbecile, Jim Jones, a cult leader, David Koresh, Joseph Goebbels(Nazi party propagandist), etc.....LOL

I sure miss the good ol days, when we all believed the Bible was infallible....sigh!

Here is what I think of you multiversionist, KJV translation bashers....

LOL

We do believe the Bible to be infallible, we just don't believe everyone in the planet needs to read it in 17th century English. :nod

[Praxeas]

:slaphappy

Sean, do you understand why these two statements by you make you look stupid?

Yes or no?

Prax, the author is speaking of a "christian" passover here, not Jewish, as synonymous with "pasha"...

"Pascha" means Easter today

Now that it has been demonstrated that "Easter" is a biblical word referring to the day to celebrate Christ's resurrection, it will be shown why the KJV is correct in translating "Πάσχα (Pascha)" as "Easter" at Acts 12:4. For starters, here are some modern Greek-English dictionaries showing that at least in modern Greek the primary meaning of "Pascha" is "Easter", not "Passover":


Oxford Greek-English Learner's Dictionary (Oxford UP, 2012)



Collins Greek-English Dictionary (HarperCollins, 2003)



Divry's Modern English-Greek and Greek-English Desk Dictionary (D.C. Divry, 1991)



Divry's Modern English-Greek and Greek-English Desk Dictionary (D.C. Divry, 1991)

"Pascha" is a polyseme, a word with multiple meanings. In certain contexts it refers to the Jewish Passover (celebration of the Exodus). In other contexts it refers to the Christian Easter. When used by Jews in a context prior to Christ’s resurrection, the word always refers to the Jewish Passover. However, when used by Greek Christians in a context after Christ’s resurrection (as I see it..."sunrise celebration")(as Luke, the narrator of Acts, did in Acts 12:4), the word refers to Easter.


That is the point I was trying to make.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I guess not....

We were not discussing what some author said. this is about YOU

[Praxeas]

Mike, I am only seeking answers to vindicate my Bible.

I dont do this for money.
THAT SAYS IT ALL!!! You are not really interested in truth.You are merely looking for any excuse to vindicate the KJV. You have things backwards. You began with an assumption and now you seek to prove it to yourself

[Evang.Benincasa]

THAT SAYS IT ALL!!! You are not really interested in truth.You are merely looking for any excuse to vindicate the KJV. You have things backwards. You began with an assumption and now you seek to prove it to yourself

https://media2.giphy.com/media/wRYamKKPT7v8Y/200.gif

[Sean]

Well, in conclusion....

Since I started a couple of KJV only threads, I have been called an imbecile, Jim Jones, a cult leader, David Koresh, Joseph Goebbels(Nazi party propagandist), etc.....LOL

I sure miss the good ol days, when we all believed the KJV Bible was infallible....sigh!



Here is what I think of you multiversionist, KJV translation bashers....



:nahnah





LOL






No, this was never about me...you guys made it about me.

Just like the other thread...you made it about Gail Riplinger, but it was about the content of her video on the thread.(she became the target, but the content was untouched)

[Evang.Benincasa]

No, this was never about me...you guys made it about me.

Sean, it has to be about you, because your Bible studies are always about you, your the TEACHER you fix people who are not following...YOU.


Just like the other thread...

No, Sean, you see the word should be plural.


you made it about Gail Riplinger,

Again, no, because it was you who felt the need to employ GR (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=1381527&postcount=1), you just thought you invented light bulb when you did it. You didn't know that there were people on this forum who read material other than what is posted on a forum. If anyone goes to the thread Effective Evangelist (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=1380614&postcount=133) they will find that it was you who first mocked the use of the original Greek Text in post 133 (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=1380614&postcount=133). This is what really got the ball rolling. Anyone can check your posts to see your tactics of defending your position. You then saw you were losing the battle in that thread, so you started your GR thread entitled "What's with all the new Bible versions?" and again, you had a host of posters "refute" your offering of Gail Riplinger. You see, we all dealt with the contents of her video, because we already know her information. Brother Burk (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=1381666&postcount=18) also posted a video of GR making outlandish statements concerning the NIV having something to do with sinking the Titanic?

Seriously? You actually believe that we are not going to deal with the individual who you chose to be YOUR witness?

Sean, but that's what you are famous for. You are famous for cruising the Internet stumbling over something which you believe to be the best thing since back pockets, then running it up the flag pole. Yet, you are stunned when others take it apart through Biblical understanding and good old logic.

You always end up crying like the wounded victim. But you attack, and misrepresent, because YOU don't have your arguments polished on the subject. You enlist people who you find on the Internet, and post their material without EVER reading the information thoroughly or having a good grasp of what they are trying to convey to THEIR readers. But the truly sad thing about all of this, is that you don't know when you're beat.

You have time and time again made a complete fool of yourself and it seems to be what you really like. It actually fuels you to continue to use the same tactics, to get the same response. Anyone doubting me in my assessment, should read those two threads "Effective Evangelist" starting at page 14 post 133 (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=1380614&postcount=133) and "What's with all the new Bible versions?" starting with your first (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=1381527&postcount=1) post.


but it was about the content of her video on the thread.(she became the target, but the content was untouched)

Well, that's called a total lie. You are lying to make yourself look good. Does it make you feel better when you lie about events in your life? Just because you always have to look good? Sean, there are threads for posters to read, and decide for themselves. You Mr, have some deep rooted problems which make Bible translations the least of them. :)

[Sean]

Benencasa....

Your M.O. is to discredit and personally attack those that do not believe like you. I have watched you from the beginning.

You should a been a liberal media journalist...LOL

[Evang.Benincasa]

Benencasa....

Your M.O. is to discredit and personally attack those that do not believe like you. I have watched you from the beginning.

You should a been a liberal media journalist...LOL

Sean, all anyone has to do is read those threads I posted.

Sean, you are just a flagrant liar.

[Sean]

There you go again...LOL

[Evang.Benincasa]

There you go again...LOL

Sorry, Sean you would have to be a victim in order to play one. :lol

Sean, you have burned this place down with your constant misrepresentations and liying. You lie when you are caught in the trick bag, backed into a wall, and have nothing else to throw at your opposition. You have to live with that, sadly anyone who comes in contact with you in real time have to deal with that. I pray God's mercy on them.

[Sean]

LOL, the fact is, I expose your wretched(multiple) false doctrines on a regular basis. I expect your reaction(bashing) to be what it is Benencasa......

Hey, look what I found...

Preterists teach Christians are now living in the millennium with the end of the world being the next event.....


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDgQFjAEahUKEwi3kZKZ7LrHAhWEfYgKHc0KCfw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ministers-best-friend.com%2FChampions-of-Revelation-Prophecy.html&ei=TXPXVfe2K4T7oQTNlaTgDw&usg=AFQjCNH9NU2U1I7zN063L-Z8A2ZfHNFNQw



And your name is at the bottom of the page!


LOLOLOLOL:slaphappy:lol:woot:naughty

[Evang.Benincasa]

LOL, the fact is, I expose your wretched(multiple) false doctrines on a regular basis. I expect your reaction(bashing) to be what it is Benencasa......

Hey, look what I found...

Preterists teach Christians are now living in the millennium with the end of the world being the next event.....


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDgQFjAEahUKEwi3kZKZ7LrHAhWEfYgKHc0KCfw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ministers-best-friend.com%2FChampions-of-Revelation-Prophecy.html&ei=TXPXVfe2K4T7oQTNlaTgDw&usg=AFQjCNH9NU2U1I7zN063L-Z8A2ZfHNFNQw



And your name is at the bottom of the page!


LOLOLOLOL:slaphappy:lol:woot:naughty

I'm not an Amillennialist, so again you use lying to make yourself feel better about your present condition? Sean, when you use to be in Bible study group with others, wasn't it argument, and fighting? For what reason? Because of your own self image. Sean has to be right, but since you took your show on the road and started to "teach" online you now have to deal with people who happen to know their material. Again, you surf the internet looking for information to justify yourself, but you are ecclesiastically lazy, and very dishonest, so you never read the articles. But really, if you did really read them, you barely know what they are trying to say. You are beat Sean, what you posted above isn't anything that you haven't posted before. So, you are running out of your bag of tricks, to misrepresent. You are ill, and I hope no one has the misfortune of getting led astray by you.

[Evang.Benincasa]

http://www.ministers-best-friend.com/BIBLIPEDIA-tm-Geneva-Bible-Notes-v-Scofield--KING-JAMES-VERSION.html

Sean?

Don't you go through these websites before you use them against others? :ursofunny


One quote says this....

The King James "Blasphemous!" Bible Perversion was finally printed in 1611.

It was not technically a *translation. What the flunkies employed by King James did was revise and compare other translations of which they simply plagiarized about 20% of the Geneva Bible.

Sean, you just can't help yourself.

Oh, by the way?

Why does the sight have three Muslim symbols at the bottom of the page?

[Sean]

LOL, the fact is, I expose your wretched(multiple) false doctrines on a regular basis. I expect your reaction(bashing) to be what it is Benencasa......

Hey, look what I found...

Preterists teach Christians are now living in the millennium with the end of the world being the next event.....


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDgQFjAEahUKEwi3kZKZ7LrHAhWEfYgKHc0KCfw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ministers-best-friend.com%2FChampions-of-Revelation-Prophecy.html&ei=TXPXVfe2K4T7oQTNlaTgDw&usg=AFQjCNH9NU2U1I7zN063L-Z8A2ZfHNFNQw



And your name is at the bottom of the page!


LOLOLOLOL:slaphappy:lol:woot:naughty





Ooooh, look at the preterist get excited.....

Benencasa is exposed as a prophecy hero, along with the other preterist nuts!

I love this site..... it is chock full of many:woot "fantastic":mal preterist wonders(that they all teach)!



And the thing I love the most is the names of the preterists that teach this stuff (at the bottom for all to read)!!!

[Sean]

This site exposes these men in doctrines they do not want you to know they teach folks...LOL

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDgQFjAEahUKEwi3kZKZ7LrHAhWEfYgKHc0KCfw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ministers-best-friend.com%2FChampions-of-Revelation-Prophecy.html&ei=TXPXVfe2K4T7oQTNlaTgDw&usg=AFQjCNH9NU2U1I7zN063L-Z8A2ZfHNFNQw




You must see it to believe it!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Sean?

Sean, again you have failed in your mission.

Sorry. :heeheehee

[Evang.Benincasa]

Ooooh, look at the preterist get excited.....

Benencasa is exposed as a prophecy hero, along with the other preterist nuts!

I love this site..... it is chock full of many:woot "fantastic":mal preterist wonders(that they all teach)!



And the thing I love the most is the names of the preterists that teach this stuff (at the bottom for all to read)!!!

Like this one :lol

http://www.ministers-best-friend.com/BIBLIPEDIA-tm-Geneva-Bible-Notes-v-Scofield--KING-JAMES-VERSION.html

[houston]

This site exposes these men in doctrines they do not want you to know they teach folks...LOL

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDgQFjAEahUKEwi3kZKZ7LrHAhWEfYgKHc0KCfw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ministers-best-friend.com%2FChampions-of-Revelation-Prophecy.html&ei=TXPXVfe2K4T7oQTNlaTgDw&usg=AFQjCNH9NU2U1I7zN063L-Z8A2ZfHNFNQw




You must see it to believe it!
How do people hide the doctrine that they teach if they're teaching it?

[Evang.Benincasa]

How do people hide the doctrine that they teach if they're teaching it?

:highfive

[ApostolicKitty]

We do believe the Bible to be infallible, we just don't believe everyone in the planet needs to read it in 17th century English. :nod

I have a picture I have tried to send you in pm, but it won't let me. It's on my computer -- not online. How do I do that?

[Evang.Benincasa]

I have a picture I have tried to send you in pm, but it won't let me. It's on my computer -- not online. How do I do that?

You need to download it to the internet so it will have a url then post it here either in a post or pm.

That's how I do it. You also can do it as an attachment, which is the paper clip icon in your posting toolbar. :)

[ApostolicKitty]

You need to download it to the internet so it will have a url then post it here either in a post or pm.

That's how I do it. You also can do it as an attachment, which is the paper clip icon in your posting toolbar. :)

Well, I wonder why I get a paperclip here, but not for pms. I was going to send it to you and say to use it at your leisure. I don't feel like uploading to the internet anywhere, so I will just attach it here and say much the same... This is an appropriate place anyway...

[Evang.Benincasa]

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5007&d=1441069570

[Evang.Benincasa]

Well, I wonder why I get a paperclip here, but not for pms. I was going to send it to you and say to use it at your leisure. I don't feel like uploading to the internet anywhere, so I will just attach it here and say much the same... This is an appropriate place anyway...

Thank you sister. :highfive

[ApostolicKitty]

Thank you sister. :highfive

Sean will probably say I am anti-KJV again. LOL

[Evang.Benincasa]

Sean will probably say I am anti-KJV again. LOL

Yeah, he needs something to direct his anger towards.

Might as well be us? :heeheehee

[Sean]

It is not me that is angry with you folks. I only attempt to vindicate HIS word.

[Evang.Benincasa]

It is not me that is angry with you folks. I only attempt to vindicate HIS word.

Sean, the problem is, when you say vindicate HIS word, you mean King James of Scotland. Give it a rest already. Sadly, your credibility is lower than zero.

[randyabrown]

I try to avoid vain jangling but I do want to say this:

Anyone that says a word had a different meaning in 1611 than it does today is proving the need for modern translations.

Thank you.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I try to avoid vain jangling but I do want to say this:

Anyone that says a word had a different meaning in 1611 than it does today is proving the need for modern translations.

Thank you.

:thumbsup :yourock :thumbsup :highfive :nod