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Steadfast
06-14-2007, 04:06 PM
I know everyone's opening page will be different depending on how long it's been since they logged on but today I made a sad observation... on the front page when I logged on I found that 8 of the front 25 threads were either slamming the UPC or being used to disregard traditional Apostolic views of righteousness.

I find that incredibly sad. We have a good forum with a grand array of distinct views but, as much as I hate to say it, some of it is more antiApostolic than Apostolic.

Let's change direction! How about some real threads of substance besides the grande old 'bread and butter' "I went to a UPC Church and met Count Dracula!" / "How to whack your hair off in 36 simple steps and still feel good about it" / "Will shacking up with someone in an act of Adultery really send you to Hell if you repent daily?" type of stuff.

GOOD GRIEF!

(Where's Charlie Brown when you need him?!? He says "GOOD GRIEF" so much better than I do.)

Steadfast
06-14-2007, 04:08 PM
And growing all the time... :IAM

SDG
06-14-2007, 04:09 PM
I love theatrics.

Steadfast
06-14-2007, 04:11 PM
I love theatrics.

Happy to oblige you, Spock.

revrandy
06-14-2007, 04:11 PM
It is depressing...okay..happy threads!!!

Sacerdotal
06-14-2007, 04:12 PM
It is depressing...okay..happy threads!!!

I agree.

Pragmatist
06-14-2007, 04:13 PM
Start some good threads, then. :)

Sandra
06-14-2007, 04:13 PM
So nothing negative about the UPC is permitted.... I understand now.

Rico
06-14-2007, 04:13 PM
I know everyone's opening page will be different depending on how long it's been since they logged on but today I made a sad observation... on the front page when I logged on I found that 8 of the front 25 threads were either slamming the UPC or being used to disregard traditional Apostolic views of righteousness.

I find that incredibly sad. We have a good forum with a grand array of distinct views but, as much as I hate to say it, some of it is more antiApostolic than Apostolic.

Let's change direction! How about some real threads of substance besides the grande old 'bread and butter' "I went to a UPC Church and met Count Dracula!" / "How to whack your hair off in 36 simple steps and still feel good about it" / "Will shacking up with someone in an act of Adultery really send you to Hell if you repent daily?" type of stuff.

GOOD GRIEF!

(Where's Charlie Brown when you need him?!? He says "GOOD GRIEF" so much better than I do.)

Ah quit yer whining about people whining about things people whine about when they whine!! :girlpopcorn

Steadfast
06-14-2007, 04:14 PM
So nothing negative about the UPC is permitted.... I understand now.

Not on the level it once was I hope.

revrandy
06-14-2007, 04:15 PM
So nothing negative about the UPC is permitted.... I understand now.

Sorry to disrupt your "happy" place.....:killinme:killinme

Sandra
06-14-2007, 04:15 PM
Not on the level it once was I hope.

I understand clearly.

Subdued
06-14-2007, 04:15 PM
Ah quit yer whining about people whining about things people whine about when they whine!! :girlpopcorn

You have such a way with words! :lol

Sandra
06-14-2007, 04:16 PM
Sorry to disrupt your "happy" place.....:killinme:killinme

I haven't been bashing anything or anybody rev.

Sacerdotal
06-14-2007, 04:18 PM
I haven't been bashing anything or anybody rev.

It seems to appear that they are thankful for that. Thanks!

revrandy
06-14-2007, 04:19 PM
I haven't been bashing anything or anybody rev.

I know... You've been a beacon lately... Wasup wit Dat???



btw...Heaven called... and said ..your halo was fixed.....:haloplug


they'd like there loaner halo back!! :killinme

CC1
06-14-2007, 04:23 PM
Steadfast,

As I mentioned the other day when Elder Epley started a similar thread if the conservatives and ultra cons would show back up and start some threads of their own there would not be this imbalance.

Sandra
06-14-2007, 04:24 PM
I know... You've been a beacon lately... Wasup wit Dat???



btw...Heaven called... and said ..your halo was fixed.....:haloplug


they'd like there loaner halo back!! :killinme

been to busy elsewhere to even post here. 15 places this month, I am wiped out. In raleigh tonight, about to go sing.

Sandra
06-14-2007, 04:25 PM
It seems to appear that they are thankful for that. Thanks!

lol

BoredOutOfMyMind
06-14-2007, 04:26 PM
Steadfast,

As I mentioned the other day when Elder Epley started a similar thread if the conservatives and ultra cons would show back up and start some threads of their own there would not be this imbalance.

Most of them are off for the summer Camp Meeting schedule.

:preach

revrandy
06-14-2007, 04:26 PM
been to busy elsewhere to even post here. 15 places this month, I am wiped out. In raleigh tonight, about to go sing.

Tell the Godairs we all said hello!!




:haloplug

Steadfast
06-14-2007, 04:29 PM
Steadfast,

As I mentioned the other day when Elder Epley started a similar thread if the conservatives and ultra cons would show back up and start some threads of their own there would not be this imbalance.

Sorry, CC1... haven't been here much lately. BUT, I agree with you. I just hope any temporary imbalances (in either direction) don't make the other end of the spectrum bail out.

When I got on and saw 8 of them on the top page it just kind of leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Heaven knows what newcomers think.

Gonna sit back now and watch the show... :girlpopcorn

Sandra
06-14-2007, 04:29 PM
Tell the Godairs we all said hello!!




:haloplug

lol... I am with the Church of God in Christ fok.

Sandra
06-14-2007, 04:30 PM
Sorry, CC1... haven't been here much lately. BUT, I agree with you. I just hope any temporary imbalances (in either direction) don't make the other end of the spectrum bail out.

When I got on and saw 8 of them on the top page it just kind of leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Heaven knows what newcomers think.

Gonna sit back now and watch the show... :girlpopcorn

Do you have cable??:killinme:killinme:killinme:killinme

berkeley
06-14-2007, 04:31 PM
Do you have cable??:killinme:killinme:killinme:killinme

DIRECTV :)

Sandra
06-14-2007, 04:31 PM
DIRECTV :)

wonderful!!

Steadfast
06-14-2007, 04:32 PM
Do you have cable??:killinme:killinme:killinme:killinme

Let's just say I've never LIED on my Affirmation Statement!








:sly

Sandra
06-14-2007, 04:43 PM
Let's just say I've never LIED on my Affirmation Statement!








:sly


Good for you, because I know may who did! :girlpopcorn

Newman
06-14-2007, 04:46 PM
I know everyone's opening page will be different depending on how long it's been since they logged on but today I made a sad observation... on the front page when I logged on I found that 8 of the front 25 threads were either slamming the UPC or being used to disregard traditional Apostolic views of righteousness.
I find that incredibly sad. We have a good forum with a grand array of distinct views but, as much as I hate to say it, some of it is more antiApostolic than Apostolic.

Let's change direction! How about some real threads of substance besides the grande old 'bread and butter' "I went to a UPC Church and met Count Dracula!" / "How to whack your hair off in 36 simple steps and still feel good about it" / "Will shacking up with someone in an act of Adultery really send you to Hell if you repent daily?" type of stuff.

GOOD GRIEF!

(Where's Charlie Brown when you need him?!? He says "GOOD GRIEF" so much better than I do.)

Steadfast- Are you speaking as an owner?

Standard threads have always been a part of freedom to speak on these forums and as you may have noticed over 90% of voters didn't see the pants on women issue as a heaven or hell issue.

Consequently, I don't believe that standard threads are as Anti-Apostolic as some would like to think they are.

I object to linking divergent views of standards with anti-Apostolic threads and willful sin threads. I further object to characterizing standards as "traditional views of righteouness" as if all who hold a different view of standards are unrighteousness. :cool:

Hoovie
06-14-2007, 04:46 PM
These Affirmation Statements..... are they about individuals or families?? :)

Sandra
06-14-2007, 04:47 PM
Steadfast- Are you speaking as an owner?

Standard threads have always been a part of freedom to speak on these forums and as you may have noticed over 90% of voters didn't see the pants on women issue as a heaven or hell issue.

Consequently, I don't believe that standard threads are as Anti-Apostolic as some would like to think they are.

I object to linking divergent views of standards with anti-Apostolic threads and willful sin threads. I further object to characterizing standards as "traditional views of righteouness" as if all who hold a different view of standards are unrighteousness. :cool:

Owner... .........I thought that was a secret.:D

berkeley
06-14-2007, 04:49 PM
Steadfast- Are you speaking as an owner?

Standard threads have always been a part of freedom to speak on these forums and as you may have noticed over 90% of voters didn't see the pants on women issue as a heaven or hell issue.

Consequently, I don't believe that standard threads are as Anti-Apostolic as some would like to think they are.

I object to linking divergent views of standards with anti-Apostolic threads and willful sin threads. I further object to characterizing standards as "traditional views of righteouness" as if all who hold a different view of standards are unrighteousness. :cool:
:girlpopcorn

Steadfast
06-14-2007, 04:51 PM
Steadfast- Are you speaking as an owner?

Standard threads have always been a part of freedom to speak on these forums and as you may have noticed over 90% of voters didn't see the pants on women issue as a heaven or hell issue.

Consequently, I don't believe that standard threads are as Anti-Apostolic as some would like to think they are.

I object to linking divergent views of standards with anti-Apostolic threads and willful sin threads. I further object to characterizing standards as "traditional views of righteouness" as if all who hold a different view of standards are unrighteousness. :cool:

I'm obviously not speaking as an 'owner' but as an Apostolic. The traditional views of righteousness included what some call 'outward standards'. I'm not against discussion of most subjects but I find it amazing that most every subject ends up in a 'Let's cut the UPC down while we're here' mentality.

Miss Newman, I'm on this forum more than the traditional 'preacher' forum because I actually enjoy seeing different views discussed. Discussed is the key word there... something you're very good at. However, we have some that are completely satisfied to say, "It's that nasty ole' UPC's fault".

That is what I'm against.

Newman
06-14-2007, 04:51 PM
Owner... .........I thought that was a secret.:D

Pure speculation.... Is that a confirmation? :cool:

Steadfast
06-14-2007, 04:53 PM
Pure speculation.... Is that a confirmation? :cool:

Speculation is a good word... :poloroid

Subdued
06-14-2007, 04:54 PM
Steadfast- Are you speaking as an owner?

Standard threads have always been a part of freedom to speak on these forums and as you may have noticed over 90% of voters didn't see the pants on women issue as a heaven or hell issue.

Consequently, I don't believe that standard threads are as Anti-Apostolic as some would like to think they are.

I object to linking divergent views of standards with anti-Apostolic threads and willful sin threads. I further object to characterizing standards as "traditional views of righteouness" as if all who hold a different view of standards are unrighteousness. :cool:

I completely agree and find it offensive that those who hold a different view of traditions are being categorized as unrighteous.

Also, It appears to me that most who post here (or at least those who voted on the church-going thread) are Apostolic or UPC. I don't see many posting who are "antiApostolic." Unless "Steadfast" is saying that he thinks those who do not stick to traditions are "antiApostolic," (to which I disagree).

berkeley
06-14-2007, 04:54 PM
Pure speculation.... Is that a confirmation? :cool:

Let's not go there.

Malvaro
06-14-2007, 04:55 PM
So nothing negative about the UPC is permitted.... I understand now.

and anything negative about TBN...??? :D

Newman
06-14-2007, 05:01 PM
I'm obviously not speaking as an 'owner' but as an Apostolic. The traditional views of righteousness included what some call 'outward standards'. I'm not against discussion of most subjects but I find it amazing that most every subject ends up in a 'Let's cut the UPC down while we're here' mentality.

Miss Newman, I'm on this forum more than the traditional 'preacher' forum because I actually enjoy seeing different views discussed. Discussed is the key word there... something you're very good at. However, we have some that are completely satisfied to say, "It's that nasty ole' UPC's fault".

That is what I'm against.

Steadfast- I find "Miss" offensive because I believe (right or wrong) that it implies that one is not accepted as member of the body of Christ. But hey! Truth spoken in love is more desirable from my point of view than hypocrissy.

The forum ebbs and flows. Bro. Epley can not be expected to hold the fort all by himself. Send in the reinforcements! It is better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness. :cool:

BoredOutOfMyMind
06-14-2007, 05:08 PM
Steadfast- Are you speaking as an owner?

Standard threads have always been a part of freedom to speak on these forums and as you may have noticed over 90% of voters didn't see the pants on women issue as a heaven or hell issue.

Consequently, I don't believe that standard threads are as Anti-Apostolic as some would like to think they are.

I object to linking divergent views of standards with anti-Apostolic threads and willful sin threads. I further object to characterizing standards as "traditional views of righteouness" as if all who hold a different view of standards are unrighteousness. :cool:

What do $400 lobsters have to do with standards?!? What do Charismatic Celebrites have to do with standards? Why are we all giddy when someone leaves a UPC church?

Ownership has no bearing on the degrade of topics recently.

90% of WHAT voters- How many voted. This is not 90% of Pentecost. Surely you are much smarter than to quote bad poll percentage as fact. Or do you do so simply to build your side only?
:poloroid

Michlow
06-14-2007, 05:08 PM
I will have you all know that I am a EOM!

Equal Opportunity Mocker!

Carry on!

Sandra
06-14-2007, 05:08 PM
and anything negative about TBN...??? :D

Now they allow that all day long.... doesn't bother me.
TBN has given me a great platform to minister to the world, I am blessed by it.

Steadfast
06-14-2007, 05:08 PM
Steadfast- I find "Miss" offensive because I believe (right or wrong) that it implies that one is not accepted as member of the body of Christ. But hey! Truth spoken in love is more desirable from my point of view than hypocrissy.

The forum ebbs and flows. Bro. Epley can not be expected to hold the fort all by himself. Send in the reinforcements! It is better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness. :cool:

Newman,

My Mother died when I was 11 in a horrible car accident. She was my hero as my Father was an abusive drunkard until he died when I was 15.

My Mother instilled more in my heart in those 11 years than most would in a lifetime. She pressed upon me to be kind and always be a gentleman my whole life. Part of that was to use dignity when speaking to the opposite sex as 'Miss' or 'Mrs' and I've utilized that my whole life.

I'm sorry you find it offensive as it had nothing to do with your relationship with God. In fact, you'll be hard pressed to find ONE woman in this life to whom I've not been a gentleman.

Yep, I still open doors... give them my seat... take them by the elbow when climbing up stairs... and say 'Miss' or 'Mrs'. I hate that you think I was being disrespectful when my only intention was to be the gentleman my Mother would be proud of.

mizpeh
06-14-2007, 05:18 PM
Newman,

My Mother died when I was 11 in a horrible car accident. She was my hero as my Father was an abusive drunkard until he died when I was 15.

My Mother instilled more in my heart in those 11 years than most would in a lifetime. She pressed upon me to be kind and always be a gentleman my whole life. Part of that was to use dignity when speaking to the opposite sex as 'Miss' or 'Mrs' and I've utilized that my whole life.

I'm sorry you find it offensive as it had nothing to do with your relationship with God. In fact, you'll be hard pressed to find ONE woman in this life to whom I've not been a gentleman.

Yep, I still open doors... give them my seat... take them by the elbow when climbing up stairs... and say 'Miss' or 'Mrs'. I hate that you think I was being disrespectful when my only intention was to be the gentleman my Mother would be proud of.

I think she would like to be called, sister.

Lost
06-14-2007, 05:20 PM
I think she would like to be called, sister.

Wouldn't that imply that she was apart of the body of Christ? :poloroid

Steadfast
06-14-2007, 05:25 PM
I think she would like to be called, sister.

You think, huh? Take you long to figure that one out?

I've no problem with calling her 'Sister'. Again, I was trying to be respectful to her as a lady. She has, for all I've seen, always been a 'lady'.

I have lived long enough, however, to know that not all 'Sisters' are a 'lady'. I thought she deserved the respect of a 'Miss', 'Mrs.' or 'Ma'am'.

She misunderstood it. I explained it. Twice now.

Thumper
06-14-2007, 05:26 PM
I can't stand all this negativity about the UPC either. Thats why I rarely post anymore.

:)

Steadfast
06-14-2007, 05:26 PM
I can't stand all this negativity about the UPC either. Thats why I rarely post anymore.

:)

Seems to be a trend doesn't it...

crakjak
06-14-2007, 05:28 PM
I know everyone's opening page will be different depending on how long it's been since they logged on but today I made a sad observation... on the front page when I logged on I found that 8 of the front 25 threads were either slamming the UPC or being used to disregard traditional Apostolic views of righteousness.

I find that incredibly sad. We have a good forum with a grand array of distinct views but, as much as I hate to say it, some of it is more antiApostolic than Apostolic.

Let's change direction! How about some real threads of substance besides the grande old 'bread and butter' "I went to a UPC Church and met Count Dracula!" / "How to whack your hair off in 36 simple steps and still feel good about it" / "Will shacking up with someone in an act of Adultery really send you to Hell if you repent daily?" type of stuff.

GOOD GRIEF!

(Where's Charlie Brown when you need him?!? He says "GOOD GRIEF" so much better than I do.)

Only eight out of twenty-five. That is four to one major in favor of the "apostolics" what are you complaining about. It sounds like an "apostolic" forum in every sense of the word.:lol:lol

BoredOutOfMyMind
06-14-2007, 05:30 PM
I can't stand all this negativity about the UPC either. Thats why I rarely post anymore.

:)

Stick to those nice Canadian Threads!

I enjoyed it immensely.

:canada

CC1
06-14-2007, 05:33 PM
I can't stand all this negativity about the UPC either. Thats why I rarely post anymore.

:)

Now Thumper, you know good and well several times I have made it a point to express my appreciation for the Universal Pricing Code and the ease with which it has made tracking and pricing things.:haloplug

Newman
06-14-2007, 05:33 PM
What do $400 lobsters have to do with standards?!? What do Charismatic Celebrites have to do with standards? Why are we all giddy when someone leaves a UPC church?

My point exactly! I do not believe it fair to lump standard threads into the other threads that Steadfast complained of. And how many people expressed giddiness that someone left the UPC? Why are we judging the majority by the minority?

Ownership has no bearing on the degrade of topics recently.

What one says as an owner or administrator carries more clout than me speaking. So I think it important to clarify when a big stick is being used.

90% of WHAT voters- How many voted. This is not 90% of Pentecost. Surely you are much smarter than to quote bad poll percentage as fact. Or do you do so simply to build your side only?

Give me a break! It was 90% of the voting forum. Hardly a sample of Apostolic at large. I never expected that my post would be construed to suggest that the group was representative of all Apostolic churches. But it does indicate that the majority of people who took the poll either did not feel that a particular standard was a marker of righteousness OR that over 90% of those taking the poll were unrighteous in the first place.

If so; why not close the forum down? Surely there are plenty of places where the righteous 10% could post.

:poloroid

Thank you. :cool:

BoredOutOfMyMind
06-14-2007, 05:35 PM
Thank you. :cool:

It is not 90% of the forum. It was 90% of those who voted. I will find how many tonight.

Not to diss you Sister Newman. You bring thought to the table here and I like to have thought to be challenged.








Disclaimer- Use of the word Sister was in full respect and will be removed if deemed offensive.

CC1
06-14-2007, 05:36 PM
Steadfast,

I usually just refer to Newman as "your majesty" and that seems to work fine!!!!

BoredOutOfMyMind
06-14-2007, 05:36 PM
Steadfast,

I usually just refer to Newman as "your majesty" and that seems to work fine!!!!

Do I need to change the post above yours?

ManOfWord
06-14-2007, 05:38 PM
If there weren't negative things going on in the UPC and if ministers weren't doing the very things they berate their saints for there would be no negativity.

Criticizing ANY organization simply for the sake of criticism is NOT productive.

Calling a "spade" when you see a spade is just reality. There is just as much criticism of "charismania" as there is UPC and other orgs, at least IMO.

If we begin to limit our commraderie, discussions, beliefs, standards etc. around the UPC, it's belief system and politics, etc. then you all can have a nice life, but I have more important things to do than not tell the truth.

Rico
06-14-2007, 05:39 PM
Y'all need to quit yer belly aching. Lose a few arguments here and there and all you wanna do is cry foul. Buncha babies! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Start your own threads if you aren't happy with what's available right now!


http://i.b5z.net/i/u/200381/i/scan0008.jpg




:D:D:lol :lol

Steadfast
06-14-2007, 05:39 PM
Steadfast,

I usually just refer to Newman as "your majesty" and that seems to work fine!!!!

:haloplug

I explained myself to her and I hope she accepted that. I will use 'your majesty' if necessary. I just want to be a blessing! :girlpopcorn

Newman
06-14-2007, 05:40 PM
You think, huh? Take you long to figure that one out?

I've no problem with calling her 'Sister'. Again, I was trying to be respectful to her as a lady. She has, for all I've seen, always been a 'lady'.

I have lived long enough, however, to know that not all 'Sisters' are a 'lady'. I thought she deserved the respect of a 'Miss', 'Mrs.' or 'Ma'am'.

She misunderstood it. I explained it. Twice now.

Ok. Sorry for misunderstanding. I hadn't noticed you addressing other ladies on the forum so formally. :haloplug

Steadfast
06-14-2007, 05:42 PM
Ok. Sorry for misunderstanding. I hadn't noticed you addressing other ladies on the forum so formally. :haloplug

I most always do in person. Ask any of them that I've met... (Truth be known, I don't really know who is or who isn't on the forum as I'm not on that much.)

Thanks, Ma'am / Sister. (Just covering all the bases!)

Thumper
06-14-2007, 05:42 PM
Stick to those nice Canadian Threads!

I enjoyed it immensely.

:canada

I do for the most part now. I am waiting on a call back and hopefully I can get everyone an inside scoop on the Canada situation.

TalkLady
06-14-2007, 05:42 PM
If there weren't negative things going on in the UPC and if ministers weren't doing the very things they berate their saints for there would be no negativity.

Criticizing ANY organization simply for the sake of criticism is NOT productive.

Calling a "spade" when you see a spade is just reality. There is just as much criticism of "charismania" as there is UPC and other orgs, at least IMO.

If we begin to limit our commraderie, discussions, beliefs, standards etc. around the UPC, it's belief system and politics, etc. then you all can have a nice life, but I have more important things to do than not tell the truth.


Very good post, sir.

Thumper
06-14-2007, 05:43 PM
Now Thumper, you know good and well several times I have made it a point to express my appreciation for the Universal Pricing Code and the ease with which it has made tracking and pricing things.:haloplug

I am very thankful for it also. I especially like the fact that because of it now you can self checkout at Wal-Mart and Home Depot.

Newman
06-14-2007, 05:46 PM
It is not 90% of the forum. It was 90% of those who voted. I will find how many tonight.

Not to diss you Sister Newman. You bring thought to the table here and I like to have thought to be challenged.

Disclaimer- Use of the word Sister was in full respect and will be removed if deemed offensive.

Yes, my post to you said the same thing. 90% of the voting forum...

Glad to be appreciated and "Newman" works well too. :girlpopcorn

Newman
06-14-2007, 05:48 PM
Steadfast,

I usually just refer to Newman as "your majesty" and that seems to work fine!!!!

Yes, and don't forget to send tribute! :killinme

ManOfWord
06-14-2007, 05:48 PM
Yes, my post to you said the same thing. 90% of the voting forum...

Glad to be appreciated and "Newman" works well too. :girlpopcorn

I personally, like to call you "counsellor" out of respect for your position! :D

Newman
06-14-2007, 05:49 PM
If there weren't negative things going on in the UPC and if ministers weren't doing the very things they berate their saints for there would be no negativity.

Criticizing ANY organization simply for the sake of criticism is NOT productive.

Calling a "spade" when you see a spade is just reality. There is just as much criticism of "charismania" as there is UPC and other orgs, at least IMO.

If we begin to limit our commraderie, discussions, beliefs, standards etc. around the UPC, it's belief system and politics, etc. then you all can have a nice life, but I have more important things to do than not tell the truth.

Great point. :cool:

Rhoni
06-14-2007, 05:54 PM
I personally, like to call you "counsellor" out of respect for your position! :D
be careful...people on AFF don't really like counselors:sly

ManOfWord
06-14-2007, 05:55 PM
be careful...people on AFF don't really like counselors:sly

:killinme :killinme :killinme Only certain ones.

Rhoni
06-14-2007, 05:57 PM
I know everyone's opening page will be different depending on how long it's been since they logged on but today I made a sad observation... on the front page when I logged on I found that 8 of the front 25 threads were either slamming the UPC or being used to disregard traditional Apostolic views of righteousness.

I find that incredibly sad. We have a good forum with a grand array of distinct views but, as much as I hate to say it, some of it is more antiApostolic than Apostolic.

Let's change direction! How about some real threads of substance besides the grande old 'bread and butter' "I went to a UPC Church and met Count Dracula!" / "How to whack your hair off in 36 simple steps and still feel good about it" / "Will shacking up with someone in an act of Adultery really send you to Hell if you repent daily?" type of stuff.

GOOD GRIEF!

(Where's Charlie Brown when you need him?!? He says "GOOD GRIEF" so much better than I do.)

If you would stop all the threads about "standards" then everyone would lay off the UPC.:IAM

Let's talk about something else...like the W of G.:search

Rhoni
06-14-2007, 05:58 PM
:killinme :killinme :killinme Only certain ones.

I'm sure I charge a lot less than Newman:haloplug

Newman
06-14-2007, 06:02 PM
I personally, like to call you "counsellor" out of respect for your position! :D

"Counsellor" coming from you has always seemed charming. But I understand that I am just like everybody else on the forum and enjoy the almost equal footing here.

Otherwise in real life; I would never carry on many of the conversations that happen. Wouldn't be respectful to be so disagreeable! ;)

Scott Hutchinson
06-14-2007, 06:04 PM
How about some threads that lift up Jesus Christ and glorify His Saving Name ?

Newman
06-14-2007, 06:04 PM
Got to run! :doggyrun

Nahum
06-14-2007, 06:32 PM
Steadfast,

As I mentioned the other day when Elder Epley started a similar thread if the conservatives and ultra cons would show back up and start some threads of their own there would not be this imbalance.

True, that.

I agreed and defended Epley the other day for his thread about the whole "Ex-Pentecostals" idea. It does get old hearing about how absolutely evil the UPC is. It also bothered me when folks were so gleeful over Michlow leaving Pentecost all together.

While we are all whining about the current complexion of the board consider this.

1. Epley (whom I defended) consistently puts people in Hell over personal convictions and nothing is said regarding those posts. He also consistently bashes the UPC from a conservative point of view.

2. I am really, really tired of the sexual innuendo present on AFF of late, It is completely unfunny.

3. I still contend there is a small contingent of absolute feminists who despise men in general on AFF. This bleeds over into many threads regarding men in ministry and the whole "standards" issue.


Really, I can deal with all of this stuff. We have a lot of diversity of opinion present on AFF. I would hate to see it become a conservative or liberal board. But have we considered that maybe times are changing and perhaps many folks aren't as rock-solid concerning Pentecostal traditions as they once were?

Either way, I like it here. It's a pretty friendly board.

CC1 is right. Tell the UC's to post some threads of their own. Did it get too hot here for them?

Rico
06-14-2007, 06:56 PM
True, that.

I agreed and defended Epley the other day for his thread about the whole "Ex-Pentecostals" idea. It does get old hearing about how absolutely evil the UPC is. It also bothered me when folks were so gleeful over Michlow leaving Pentecost all together.

While we are all whining about the current complexion of the board consider this.

1. Epley (whom I defended) consistently puts people in Hell over personal convictions and nothing is said regarding those posts. He also consistently bashes the UPC from a conservative point of view.

2. I am really, really tired of the sexual innuendo present on AFF of late, especially the gay humor. It is revolting and completely unfunny.

3. I still contend there is a small contingent of absolute feminists who despise men in general on AFF. This bleeds over into many threads regarding men in ministry and the whole "standards" issue.


Really, I can deal with all of this stuff. We have a lot of diversity of opinion present on AFF. I would hate to see it become a conservative or liberal board. But have we considered that maybe times are changing and perhaps many folks aren't as rock-solid concerning Pentecostal traditions as they once were?

Either way, I like it here. It's a pretty friendly board.

CC1 is right. Tell the UC's to post some threads of their own. Did it get too hot here for them?


1) Who was gleeful over Sis Mich leaving her church? I saw people offering lots of advice. A pastor that is not far from her even gave her his address so she could come visit. An apostolic pastor.

2) Gay humor? I guess I must have missed that cause I don't remember seeing any gay humor recently. Maybe you can explain this one further.

3) You may be right on the slant towards some feministic type of anti-male, especially those in ministry thing. I have wondered about that myself.


Basically, what I see is that several of the standard keepers have been getting their fair share of "back at ya" on these standard threads and they just can't take it. Well, you know what they say, "If you can't take it, then don't dish it out."

I guess what has me most confused about all this complaining is that, compared with how things were over on NFCF and FCF, this place is so much better. Yeah, there is alot of in your face type of posting, but nothing like some of the vicious things I have seen posted in the past. Admin seems to be doing a good job of nipping that sort of thing in the bud pretty quick.

The only thing I can say that was starting to bug me a little bit is how one poster in particular seemed to be dominating all the arguments. Wherever there was a conflict, it seems like he was right there in the middle of the whole thing and sometimes the cause of it. I may get into trouble for sharing his name here, but I am used to getting into trouble from admin anyway. It was Brother Dan Alicea. In his defense, there is nothing in the rules that says you have to limit yourself to what threads you participate in or which posts you respond to, so maybe it isn't fair to single him out. (Don't take it personally, D.A., I am just being honest.) I figured he would eventually run out of steam because most people that post that much usually do.

I come here to have fun, stay connected to people of like faith, maybe to help someone every now and then, and sometimes I get involved in the deeper type of discussions. Sometimes I just need to share where I'm at in this thing called life and recently I got a lot of help from people from this forum. I like this forum much more than I did the others, so it's hard for me to really see all that much wrong with the way things are.

BoredOutOfMyMind
06-14-2007, 07:06 PM
2. I am really, really tired of the sexual innuendo present on AFF of late, It is completely unfunny.


Why does NO ONE report posts with such junk in them.

WE still get 900 visitors a day!

Please, folks, step up and make it nice to view.

Nahum
06-14-2007, 07:06 PM
OMG, this is gonna get ugly.

berkeley
06-14-2007, 07:07 PM
Why does NO ONE report posts with such junk in them.

WE still get 900 visitors a day!

Please, folks, step up and make it nice to view.

If no one else will do it, I will just pat myself on the back! I have had EXCELLENT behavior lately!! :)

Sheltiedad
06-14-2007, 07:09 PM
Let's just stop being honest and the threads will change naturally. :)

SDG
06-14-2007, 07:09 PM
The only thing I can say that was starting to bug me a little bit is how one poster in particular seemed to be dominating all the arguments. Wherever there was a conflict, it seems like he was right there in the middle of the whole thing and sometimes the cause of it. I may get into trouble for sharing his name here, but I am used to getting into trouble from admin anyway. It was Brother Dan Alicea. In his defense, there is nothing in the rules that says you have to limit yourself to what threads you participate in or which posts you respond to, so maybe it isn't fair to single him out. (Don't take it personally, D.A., I am just being honest.) I figured he would eventually run out of steam because most people that post that much usually do.

I come here to have fun, stay connected to people of like faith, maybe to help someone every now and then, and sometimes I get involved in the deeper type of discussions. Sometimes I just need to share where I'm at in this thing called life and recently I got a lot of help from people from this forum. I like this forum much more than I did the others, so it's hard for me to really see all that much wrong with the way things are.

Rico ... what can I say??? but .... kiss it .....










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berkeley
06-14-2007, 07:11 PM
Let's just stop being honest and the threads will change naturally. :)

couldn't wear a facade... not ever again!!! I will not do it!

Sheltiedad
06-14-2007, 07:12 PM
couldn't wear a facade... not ever again!!! I will not do it!

That is what I see... the minute that people start being honest, certain people get scared that the status quo is threatened. :)

berkeley
06-14-2007, 07:13 PM
That is what I see... the minute that people start being honest, certain people get scared that the status quo is threatened. :)

I'm still me. Just more gentle. Like a transformation of sorts. I love it... :search

BoredOutOfMyMind
06-14-2007, 07:14 PM
That is what I see... the minute that people start being honest, certain people get scared that the status quo is threatened. :)

Honest?

You did not answer your own thread question.

:hmmm

chaotic_resolve
06-14-2007, 07:16 PM
I can't stand all this negativity about the UPC either. Thats why I rarely post anymore.

:)


Seems to be a trend doesn't it...
Doesn't bother me. I know there's good and bad with every organization. Recently I've come across more bad than good in relation to my once-beloved organization.

I'd list them, but I'd be marked with an infraction for tearing down the ministry. *grin*

To be fair, I've also seen good in a few ministers who are licensed with the organization. I've made friends of ministers who are UPC and non-denominational, both liberal and conservative.

So it doesn't bother me to see threads questioning certain things about the organization:

The hypocrisy of allowing internet ministries, but not allowing television ads;

The extremes in dress standards that go beyond practical Biblical standards; and

The stupidity of yanking license over a pastor owning a television, but allowing a pastor who could be a certified psychological liar to continue holding both a district position and remain an ordained minister in good standing.

See, I regard the UPC as family. And as such, I feel it's my right to be able to question it when it makes mistakes. I'll also be there to help celebrate in its moments of greatness.

Grow some skin. Learn that the UPC isn't a perfect organization as long as it's run by men and women. It's one of the best oneness organizations, but it's not perfect. Far from it.

JMO :thumbsup

SDG
06-14-2007, 07:16 PM
Rico ... many men in your position suffer from it ... don't get frustrated, doubt your manhood, or feel inadequate ... You are the poster boy for Post-envy.

Who cares if my post count is bigger than yours?

Rico
06-14-2007, 07:17 PM
Rico ... what can I say??? but .... kiss it .....










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big







fat











pinky.


:lol Brother, I am so laughing out loud right now! Stop being so hard on these conservatives around here. We need them too, ya know. :lol

Rico
06-14-2007, 07:24 PM
Rico ... many men in your position suffer from it ... don't get frustrated or feel inadequate ... You are the poster boy for Post-envy.

Envy who, you? Not hardly, Bro. If anything it would be people like Brother Coonskinner and even Brother Epley. Those two haven't changed an inch in the whole time I have been posting on these forums and I respect them, even though I don't agree with them all the time. They are steadfast in what they believe, don't water it down for anyone, and at least Brother Coonskinner can make his point without getting me so angry I wanna reach through the computer and give him five right across the lips! I wish I could say the same thing for Brother Epley, but every now and again he gets under my skin in a big way and I wanna let him have it with both barrells! :D Even with that, I have come to respect Brother Epley. Sorry, but you just haven't been around long enough, at least not in my posting realm, to have earned that kind of respect. Again, just being honest with ya, nothing personal.

SDG
06-14-2007, 07:28 PM
Envy who, you? Not hardly, Bro. If anything it would be people like Brother Coonskinner and even Brother Epley. Those two haven't changed an inch in the whole time I have been posting on these forums and I respect them, even though I don't agree with them all the time. They are steadfast in what they believe, don't water it down for anyone, and at least Brother Coonskinner can make his point without getting me so angry I wanna reach through the computer and give him five right across the lips! I wish I could say the same thing for Brother Epley, but every now and again he gets under my skin in a big way and I wanna let him have it with both barrells! :D Even with that, I have come to respect Brother Epley. Sorry, but you just haven't been around long enough, at least not in my posting realm, to have earned that kind of respect. Again, just being honest with ya, nothing personal.

Recognizing DENIAL is the first step to recovery ...

Leave my lips alone ....

Rico
06-14-2007, 07:32 PM
Recognizing DENIAL is the first step to recovery ...

Leave my lips alone ....


He knows why he gets on my nerves so much. He starts on his so and so is going straight to hell routine and it takes me right back to my control frreak for a pastor days, even though I know he isn't nearly as tough as he likes to pretend he is.


Sorry about your lips, Bro. I wasn't trying to hurt ya in any way. Just being honest. Maybe, when you grow up, I will have as much respect for you as I do them. :D I love ya!

SDG
06-14-2007, 07:35 PM
He knows why he gets on my nerves so much. He starts on his so and so is going straight to hell routine and it takes me right back to my control frreak for a pastor days, even though I know he isn't nearly as tough as he likes to pretend he is.


Sorry about your lips, Bro. I wasn't trying to hurt ya in any way. Just being honest. Maybe, when you grow up, I will have as much respect for you as I do them. :D I love ya!

I was going to be the bigger man .... but you beat me to to it ....

berkeley
06-14-2007, 07:35 PM
Almost tempted to ask Rico his opinion of my prettiful self. :hmmm

berkeley
06-14-2007, 07:35 PM
I was going to be the bigger man .... but you beat me to to it ....

Daniel, behave yourself.

Rico
06-14-2007, 07:39 PM
Almost tempted to ask Rico his opinion of my prettiful self. :hmmm

I don't know Berk. I know I see a change in you, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

Anybody else wanna know what I think of them? Come on! Take a chance. You might be surprised! :D

berkeley
06-14-2007, 07:44 PM
I don't know Berk. I know I see a change in you, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

Anybody else wanna know what I think of them? Come on! Take a chance. You might be surprised! :D

So the change is visible?? :hmmm

Rico
06-14-2007, 07:58 PM
So the change is visible?? :hmmm

Well, you still post a lot of smart alecky one liners, but you seem different at the same time. Can't quite put my finger on it though. :)

berkeley
06-14-2007, 07:59 PM
Well, you still post a lot of smart alecky one liners, but you seem different at the same time. Can't quite put my finger on it though. :)

This is really bothering me!!

Rico
06-14-2007, 08:01 PM
This is really bothering me!!


Why would it bother you? It's possible that you have made some great change that has affected how people perceive you that I am not aware of. Don't sweat it.

LadyCoonskinner
06-14-2007, 08:03 PM
I don't know Berk. I know I see a change in you, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

Anybody else wanna know what I think of them? Come on! Take a chance. You might be surprised! :D

Ok, I'll bite...what's thine opinion of me?:couch:couch:bolt:bolt

berkeley
06-14-2007, 08:05 PM
Ok, I'll bite...what's thine opinion of me?:couch:couch:bolt:bolt

and yours of me?:hmmm

rgcraig
06-14-2007, 08:05 PM
Ok, I'll bite...what's thine opinion of me?:couch:couch:bolt:bolt

Didn't ask me, but you ROCK!!

Rico
06-14-2007, 08:06 PM
Ok, I'll bite...what's thine opinion of me?:couch:couch:bolt:bolt

I think you are a hoot in person! You are one of the people I'd really like to meet someday. You have to be a good woman to put up with someone that loves to go coon hunting! LOL!

LadyCoonskinner
06-14-2007, 08:10 PM
and yours of me?:hmmm

Don't know ya at all, but I think, from what I read, that you are a pretty good guy!!

LadyCoonskinner
06-14-2007, 08:11 PM
Didn't ask me, but you ROCK!!

Thanks, Renda.

(Didn't ask people who know me, cause they will either hurt my feeling or lie and I couldn't do that to them or me!!!:poloroid

berkeley
06-14-2007, 08:12 PM
Don't know ya at all, but I think, from what I read, that you are a pretty good guy!!

Okay, then I'll just keep my opinion of you to myself. :)

LadyCoonskinner
06-14-2007, 08:12 PM
I think you are a hoot in person! You are one of the people I'd really like to meet someday. You have to be a good woman to put up with someone that loves to go coon hunting! LOL!

I've heard that before, that I'm a hoot. Oh well, I guess that's good, better than being a knothead.

Yes, I believe that God will bless me someday with a little extra something cause I have to put up with dogs and a coonhuntin' hubby.:haloplug:club

LadyCoonskinner
06-14-2007, 08:14 PM
Okay, then I'll just keep my opinion of you to myself. :)

Hey that was not a slam, I wouldn't know you if you walked up and slapped me (don't get any idead, bud:club:club:club)

I think you are funny, but beyond that I really don't know you!!!!

LadyCoonskinner
06-14-2007, 08:15 PM
Hey, I think we've hijacked Steadfast's thread long enough...let's start another one.

berkeley
06-14-2007, 08:16 PM
Hey that was not a slam, I wouldn't know you if you walked up and slapped me (don't get any idead, bud:club:club:club)

I think you are funny, but beyond that I really don't know you!!!!

LoL... you're too much!
okay, from my observations, and you can correct me if I am wrong..

You are meek, maybe quiet.. but you are not a pushover. You have "fight" within you.

LadyCoonskinner
06-14-2007, 08:19 PM
LoL... you're too much!
okay, from my observations, and you can correct me if I am wrong..

You are meek, maybe quiet.. but you are not a pushover. You have "fight" within you.

Let's take it to the new thread.....

Rico
06-14-2007, 08:23 PM
Hey, I think we've hijacked Steadfast's thread long enough...let's start another one.




He asked for a different direction and we have given him one. :D

rgcraig
06-14-2007, 08:23 PM
He asked for a different direction and we have given him one. :D

:killinme

BrotherEastman
06-14-2007, 08:31 PM
I'm still a conservative, so there!

BoredOutOfMyMind
06-14-2007, 09:04 PM
I'm still a conservative, so there!

You have really started being a troublemaker after hanging around Scott Hutchinson!

:poloroid

berkeley
06-14-2007, 09:04 PM
You have really started being a troublemaker after hanging around Scott Hutchinson!

:poloroid

:lol

BrotherEastman
06-14-2007, 09:05 PM
You have really started being a troublemaker after hanging around Scott Hutchinson!

:poloroid
Did ya read the pants thread? LOL! I was deserted!

Newman
06-14-2007, 09:21 PM
1. Epley (whom I defended) consistently puts people in Hell over personal convictions and nothing is said regarding those posts. He also consistently bashes the UPC from a conservative point of view.

2. I am really, really tired of the sexual innuendo present on AFF of late, It is completely unfunny.

3. I still contend there is a small contingent of absolute feminists who despise men in general on AFF. This bleeds over into many threads regarding men in ministry and the whole "standards" issue.



Pastor Poster-

1. Epley is who he says he is and only puts people in hell over what he HONESTLY believes to be found in the Word of God. That is actually easier for me to accept than a minister who would preach standards just for the sake of unity. (Of course I could never go to Epley's church but at least I could respect his position).

I think most folks that Know Bro. Epley don't have a problem with him because they understand his position and they also understand that Epley isn't a hypocrite. He lives what he teaches and teaches what he lives.

Finally, for all his gruffness, most realize that he is a softie at heart. He genuinely cares about people.

2. I haven't noticed it lately; but we may not be on the same threads and/or I may just not be tuned into it. I know that I sure did not appreciate it when it was blatantly going on the Sexy thread at the other forum.

3. How small is this contingent of absolute feminist, on this forum, who absolutely hate men? Care to name them?

I am guessing that you put Rhoni in that catagory and Cup Cake? (Which is but speculation on what you could possibly be thinking). Other than that, I am at a loss. Unless of course you hold all women working outside the home and/or those opposed to some of our traditional standards to be men-hating feminists...

Really would like to know more of your thoughts on this since you have brought this issue up many times. :girlpopcorn

SarahElizabeth
06-14-2007, 09:23 PM
Pastor Poster-

1. Epley is who he says he is and only puts people in hell over what he HONESTLY believes to be found in the Word of God. That is actually easier for me to accept than a minister who would preach standards just for the sake of unity.

So I think most folks that Know Bro. Epley don't have a problem with him because they understand his position and they also understand that Epley isn't a hypocrite. He lives what he teaches and teaches what he lives.

Finally, for all his gruffness, most realize that he is a softie at heart. He genuinely loves people.

2. I haven't noticed it lately; but we may not be on the same threads and/or I may just not be tuned into it. I know that I sure did not appreciate it when it was blatantly going on the Sexy thread at the other forum.

3. How small is this absolute contingent of Apostolic feminist on this forum, who absolutely hate men? Care to name them?

I am guessing that you put Rhoni in that catagory and Cup Cake? But other than that, I am at a loss. Unless of course you hold all women working outside the home and/or those opposed to some of our traditional standards to be men-hating feminists...

Reallly would like to know more of your thoughts on this since you have brought this issue up many times. :girlpopcorn

Thanks, Newman....I agree!

CC1
06-14-2007, 09:24 PM
Yes, and don't forget to send tribute! :killinme

LOL!!!

CC1
06-14-2007, 09:28 PM
I am very thankful for it also. I especially like the fact that because of it now you can self checkout at Wal-Mart and Home Depot.

Speaking of Home Depot I went yesterday to exchange a propane tank for the grill and they have a new automated exhange setup outside.

Instead of having to go inside to pay and then wait for a Home Depot employee to come out and unlock the case and swap out the tanks they have an ATM like kiosk that you pay at.

They have about three rows of metal storage lockers divided into storage spaces the size of the propane tank. Each space has a door.

After you pay at the kiosk the screen tells you to look for a door that will open. Sure enough somewhere in the storage rack a door swings open and it is an empty spot for you to place your empty tank you are exchanging.

As soon as you place it in there and close the door another door somewhere in the rack with a full tank will open and you can lift the tank out then close the door.

Pretty cool except a Home Depot employee told me there is no backup. If the fancy smancy automated thing messes up they have no way to override and open the doors themselves.

Elizabeth
06-14-2007, 09:36 PM
If there weren't negative things going on in the UPC and if ministers weren't doing the very things they berate their saints for there would be no negativity.

Criticizing ANY organization simply for the sake of criticism is NOT productive.

Calling a "spade" when you see a spade is just reality. There is just as much criticism of "charismania" as there is UPC and other orgs, at least IMO.

If we begin to limit our commraderie, discussions, beliefs, standards etc. around the UPC, it's belief system and politics, etc. then you all can have a nice life, but I have more important things to do than not tell the truth.

AMEN!!!

Theophilus
06-14-2007, 09:38 PM
Steadfast- Are you speaking as an owner?

Standard threads have always been a part of freedom to speak on these forums and as you may have noticed over 90% of voters didn't see the pants on women issue as a heaven or hell issue.

Consequently, I don't believe that standard threads are as Anti-Apostolic as some would like to think they are.

I object to linking divergent views of standards with anti-Apostolic threads and willful sin threads. I further object to characterizing standards as "traditional views of righteouness" as if all who hold a different view of standards are unrighteousness. :cool:

Overruled! :killinme

BoredOutOfMyMind
06-14-2007, 09:44 PM
Overruled! :killinme

:hmmm

Are YOU an Owner here?!?

Theophilus
06-14-2007, 09:45 PM
What do $400 lobsters have to do with standards?!? What do Charismatic Celebrites have to do with standards? Why are we all giddy when someone leaves a UPC church?

Ownership has no bearing on the degrade of topics recently.

90% of WHAT voters- How many voted. This is not 90% of Pentecost. Surely you are much smarter than to quote bad poll percentage as fact. Or do you do so simply to build your side only?:poloroid

lawyers is as lawyers does...:search

Theophilus
06-14-2007, 09:45 PM
:hmmm

Are YOU an Owner here?!?

I plead the fifth..

Sherri
06-14-2007, 09:46 PM
I'm not anti-anybody on here. I just love the comraderie!!

Scott Hutchinson
06-14-2007, 09:49 PM
I'm not anti-anybody here I'm just addicted.And beside BOOMM won't let me leave.

BoredOutOfMyMind
06-14-2007, 10:11 PM
lawyers is as lawyers does...:search

Newman clarified this.

Nahum
06-14-2007, 10:15 PM
Pastor Poster-

1. Epley is who he says he is and only puts people in hell over what he HONESTLY believes to be found in the Word of God. That is actually easier for me to accept than a minister who would preach standards just for the sake of unity. (Of course I could never go to Epley's church but at least I could respect his position).

I think most folks that Know Bro. Epley don't have a problem with him because they understand his position and they also understand that Epley isn't a hypocrite. He lives what he teaches and teaches what he lives.

Finally, for all his gruffness, most realize that he is a softie at heart. He genuinely cares about people.

2. I haven't noticed it lately; but we may not be on the same threads and/or I may just not be tuned into it. I know that I sure did not appreciate it when it was blatantly going on the Sexy thread at the other forum.

3. How small is this contingent of absolute feminist, on this forum, who absolutely hate men? Care to name them?

I am guessing that you put Rhoni in that catagory and Cup Cake? (Which is but speculation on what you could possibly be thinking). Other than that, I am at a loss. Unless of course you hold all women working outside the home and/or those opposed to some of our traditional standards to be men-hating feminists...

Really would like to know more of your thoughts on this since you have brought this issue up many times. :girlpopcorn

Newman, I will not discuss it with you as you obviously have no respect for me. You go for the jugular every time.

berkeley
06-14-2007, 10:30 PM
You know, the more I think about it the more this post makes me very, very angry. You called me a hypocrite, intimated that I don't care about people, and create accusations and divisions between myself and posters that do not exist.

You are out of line and owe me an apology Newman.

You are a perfect example of the feminist that I was referring to.

Get over yourself!

:popcorn2

Sherri
06-14-2007, 10:32 PM
You know, the more I think about it the more this post makes me very, very angry. You called me a hypocrite, intimated that I don't care about people, and create accusations and divisions between myself and posters that do not exist.

You are out of line and owe me an apology Newman.

You are a perfect example of the feminist that I was referring to.

Get over yourself!
"Smile a while and give your face a rest; raise your hands to the One you love the best. Turn around to someone near (Newman); shake her hand and smile!":lol
Just dragged that up from the 60's in my home church!! Such a spiritual song service we used to have.

SDG
06-14-2007, 10:33 PM
You know, the more I think about it the more this post makes me very, very angry. You called me a hypocrite, intimated that I don't care about people, and create accusations and divisions between myself and posters that do not exist.

You are out of line and owe me an apology Newman.

You are a perfect example of the feminist that I was referring to.

Get over yourself!

Talk about creative reading ... you got all of that out of her post ... you're buggin ...

SDG
06-14-2007, 10:38 PM
I don't see a feminist intifada here at AFF .... I think it's just you and the guy who loves my posting.

Brett Prince
06-14-2007, 10:39 PM
You know, the more I think about it the more this post makes me very, very angry. You called me a hypocrite, intimated that I don't care about people, and create accusations and divisions between myself and posters that do not exist.

You are out of line and owe me an apology Newman.

You are a perfect example of the feminist that I was referring to.

Get over yourself!

There's hope for you yet. You sound more like a conservative than a neo-mod here! :thumbsup

Nahum
06-14-2007, 10:42 PM
There's hope for you yet. You sound more like a conservative than a neo-mod here! :thumbsup

That really makes me angry.

There is a lot under the surface in her post.

Go read my opening post of the "pants" thread and then read her comments. Very, very offensive, rude, and disrespectful.

SDG
06-14-2007, 10:43 PM
I got my money on Newman ....

SDG
06-14-2007, 10:44 PM
Prepared to get slayed PP ...

Nahum
06-14-2007, 10:45 PM
Prepared to get slayed PP ...

Would you shut up please?

SDG
06-14-2007, 10:45 PM
Would you shut up please?

Was that a flinch ..???

berkeley
06-14-2007, 10:47 PM
Daniel, sophomoric behavior is uncalled for. Now sit down and have some popcorn. :)

SDG
06-14-2007, 10:49 PM
http://www.chasermerch.com/images/house%20of%20pain%20logo.jpg

PUNKS JUMP UP TO GET BEAT DOWN ...

berkeley
06-14-2007, 10:49 PM
Advertising alcohol.. that's an infraction!!

SDG
06-14-2007, 10:51 PM
Advertising alcohol.. that's an infraction!!

Dude's gonna get slapped ... !

"GL"
06-14-2007, 11:27 PM
I absolutely saw the insinuation in Newman's post.

If she didn't mean it, she should be more careful of the way her posts are perceived.

Newman
06-14-2007, 11:31 PM
You know, the more I think about it the more this post makes me very, very angry. You called me a hypocrite, intimated that I don't care about people, and create accusations and divisions between myself and posters that do not exist.

You are out of line and owe me an apology Newman.

You are a perfect example of the feminist that I was referring to.

Get over yourself!

WOW!!!! You weren't even under discussion! This isn't the first post I have written about Bro. Epley and integrity.

Many point out the hypocrissy of those that sign the affirmation standards and don't hold to them; others note the ways in which some preach one into Hell for wearing a wedding ring but they have a rolex watch on. Epley does neither.

There was talk today on the ministering thread about peer pressure so I mentioned unity. I did not have any particular person in mind because outside of Bro. Epley; I am not sure I know anyone that I could say was not susceptible to it. Which isn't to say that everyone is awful or that I know about all that post here. I don't. I only meant to sing the praise of a man who stands straight for what he honestly and sincerely believes the Word of God says.

The post was intended to show why I believe Epley gets away with what would be horrendous statements if spoken by anyone else; nothing more.

Another thought comes to mind that more perfectly illustrates why I hold Elder Epley in such esteem. A fairly recent post of Elder Epley's was about a minister who died because he won't seek medical attention for a boil? since he had preached against medicine his whole life. Elder Epley did not agree with his position but did agree that it was only right that the minister should live by what he taught. I RESPECT THAT.

2. Epley cares for people despite his gruff persona that us old posters know better than to believe. He occasionally pms those who are facing difficulty whatever their stripe. I know for a fact that he contacted a young man who was headed in the wrong direction and tried to intercede. The post bore NO reference to YOU at all. You weren't on my mind other than the fact that I was addressing your posts which have always been interesting.

3. You have brought up feminist on this forum many times. I just couldn't imagine who you were talking about since I know of none on here. However, Rhoni is single and speaks of the hurt sometimes and Cup Cake says whatever is on her mind no matter what.

Now, you say that it is me! But that surprises me given that I have been married for almost 30 years and have two children. I belive there is no greater success in life than raising a family to serve God. I still make phone calls for my husband's business during his busy time of year.

I only recently began to work full time when my son went to college and before then (as now) I do much of my work from home so that my family's needs are provided for. I even spent two wonderful years involved with Bible Quizzing when my son was on the team despite lots of other demands on my life that you know nothing of.

Finally, I do not preach. So who could or would fairly classify me as a man-hating feminist?

Pastor Poster- This is almost comical. But if you want an apoligy. Forgive me for being so careless in what I write that you could read insult into it. It certainly was not intended.

And as a practical matter; if I want to insult somebody, I usually am more direct. :cool:

Newman
06-14-2007, 11:35 PM
That really makes me angry.

There is a lot under the surface in her post.

Go read my opening post of the "pants" thread and then read her comments. Very, very offensive, rude, and disrespectful.

I am going to go and look at this and try to find out what I said on that thread to generate this response. Good grief! I really am clueless today. :cool:

Nahum
06-14-2007, 11:39 PM
WOW!!!! You weren't even under discussion! This isn't the first post I have written about Bro. Epley and integrity.

Many point out the hypocrissy of those that sign the affirmation standards and don't hold to them; others note the ways in which some preach one into Hell for wearing a wedding ring but they have a rolex watch on. Epley does neither.

There was talk today on the ministering thread about peer pressure so I mentioned unity. I did not have any particular person in mind because outside of Bro. Epley; I am not sure I know anyone that I could say was not susceptible to it. Which isn't to say that everyone is awful or that I know about all that post here. I don't. I only meant to sing the praise of a man who stands straight for what he honestly and sincerely believes the Word of God says.

The post was only intended to show why I believe Epley gets away with what would be horrendous statements if spoken by anyone else.

Another thought comes to mind that more perfectly illustrates why I hold Elder Epley in such esteem. A fairly recent post of Elder Epley's was about a minister who died because he won't seek medical attention for a boil? since he had preached against medicine his whole life. Elder Epley did not agree with his position but did agree that it was only right that the minister should live by what he taught. I RESPECT THAT.

2. Epley cares for people despite his gruff persona that us old posters know better than to believe. He occasionally pms those who are facing difficulty whatever their stripe. I know for a fact that he contacted a young man who was headed in the wrong direction and tried to intercede. The post bore NO reference to YOU at all. You weren't on my mind other than the fact that I was addressing your posts which have always been interesting.

3. You have brought up feminist on this forum many times. I just couldn't imagine who you were talking about since I know of none on here. However, Rhoni is single and speaks of the hurt sometimes and Cup Cake says whatever is on her mind no matter what.

Now, you say that it is me! But that surprises me given that I have been married for almost 30 years and have two children. I belive there is no greater success in life than raising a family to serve God. I still make phone calls for my husband's business during his busy time of year.

I only recently began to work full time when my son went to college and before then (as now) I do much of my work from home so that my family's needs are provided for. I even spent two wonderful years involved with Bible Quizzing when my son was on the team despite lots of other demands on my life that you know nothing of.

Finally, I do not preach. So who could one fairly classify me as a man-hating feminist?

Pastor Poster- This is almost comical. But if you want an apoligy. Forgive me for being so careless in what I write that you could read insult into it. It certainly was not intended.

And as a practical matter; if I want to insult somebody, I usually am more direct. :cool:

It is not comical and as you addressed the post to me personally I felt it was directed at me. You also made a direct reference to a post of mine earlier this week regarding holding to some non-essentials out of unity.

So forgive me if I took you to mean what you said.

Further, there are many feminists who are not preachers and feel not an equality with men, but rather a dominance. I never, ever mentioned Rhoni, Cupcake or any other individual. You posted those names for an unknown reason and if I were them I would be upset that you labelled them as you did.

Your lack of respect for me is obvious and I'm okay with it. Just be willing to accept responsibility for what you actually post.

Nahum
06-14-2007, 11:40 PM
I am going to go and look at this and try to find out what I said on that thread to generate this response. Good grief! I really am clueless today. :cool:

No, its that you referenced it on THIS thread in the manner you chose to.

SDG
06-14-2007, 11:43 PM
I still don't see any feminism ... on AFF ... SERIOUSLY. We've even defined what it really means.

I see independent and intelligent women who don't necessarily fit the 1950's Leave it to Beaver mold ....

Newman
06-14-2007, 11:53 PM
It is not comical and as you addressed the post to me personally I felt it was directed at me. You also made a direct reference to a post of mine earlier this week regarding holding to some non-essentials out of unity.

So forgive me if I took you to mean what you said.

Further, there are many feminists who are not preachers and feel not an equality with men, but rather a dominance. I never, ever mentioned Rhoni, Cupcake or any other individual. You posted those names for an unknown reason and if I were them I would be upset that you labelled them as you did.

Your lack of respect for me is obvious and I'm okay with it. Just be willing to accept responsibility for what you actually post.

Really Pastor Poster- Are you really so egotistical that you think you are the only minister holding to standards for the sake of unity?!!!!!

UNBELIEVABLE! How many times has it been said on this forum that if TV goes down, its because the pro-TV people would be voting for unity?

You act so uncomfortable that I named two strong women on the board as the possible feminists that your posts kept alluding to. I swear I couldn't begin to guess otherwise and I sure didn't think I fit the bill.

I know of NO women on this board that believe in female dominance. Dan is right. The board has intelligent women for sure. But that does not make them feminists.

Anyway. I think its time to take a break. After all there are toilets to clean and cookies to bake...

"GL"
06-14-2007, 11:54 PM
Back to the point of this thread.....

(there was one, correct? :lol)

I have noticed the anti-UPC hostility here. It doesn't seem as openly slanderous and disrespectful as it was at nFCF, but the trend is a little disturbing.

I, for one, would love to discuss the issues while refraining from demonizing either group (the UPCers and the TBNers). :D

BTW, I have amazing respect for posters on both sides (and those from neither side) who refrain from these behaviors. There are truly some great people here.

Nahum
06-14-2007, 11:56 PM
Really Pastor Poster- Are you really so egotistical that you think you are the only minister holding to standards for the sake of unity?!!!!!

UNBELIEVABLE! How many times has it been said on this forum that if TV goes down, its because the pro-TV people would be voting for unity?

You act so uncomfortable that I named two strong women on the board as the possible feminists that your posts kept alluding to. I swear I couldn't begin to guess otherwise and I sure didn't think I fit the bill.

I know of NO women on this board that believe in female dominance. Dan is right. The board has intelligent women for sure. But that does not make them feminists.

Anyway. I think its time to take a break. After all there are toilets to clean and cookies to bake...

Oh I'm sure I have it all wrong. I guess you don't respect a lot of ministers on AFF then? Anyway, all I can say at this hour is "whatever".

Newman
06-15-2007, 12:02 AM
Oh I'm sure I have it all wrong. I guess you don't respect a lot of ministers on AFF then? Anyway, all I can say at this hour is "whatever".

I flat out ADMIRE Elder Epley becuase he is living it EXACTLY as he sees it. That doesn't take anything away from the rest of us mere mortals who do the best we can with the paradoxes we are handed.

I fully understand that I am the least able to make a judgment call about what any minister should do in the situation God called him to.

God knows that I have not (for the sake of others) been true to what I believe. Why would I condemn someone else for pursuing unity? :cool:

Felicity
06-15-2007, 12:25 AM
Back to the point of this thread.....

(there was one, correct? :lol)

I have noticed the anti-UPC hostility here. It doesn't seem as openly slanderous and disrespectful as it was at nFCF, but the trend is a little disturbing.

I, for one, would love to discuss the issues while refraining from demonizing either group (the UPCers and the TBNers). :D

BTW, I have amazing respect for posters on both sides (and those from neither side) who refrain from these behaviors. There are truly some great people here.There's always a certain amount of hostility in general on these forums because people act in a way via this kind of communication they never would standing talking one on one or in a group.

I have respect for people who can keep themselves and their attitudes in check while standing strong for what they believe - whatever position they take - without backhanding, verbal threats, sniping and assault.

BoredOutOfMyMind
06-15-2007, 12:43 AM
There's always a certain amount of hostility in general on these forums because people act in a way via this kind of communication they never would standing talking one on one or in a group.

I have respect for people who can keep themselves and their attitudes in check while standing strong for what they believe - whatever position they take - without backhanding, verbal threats, sniping and assault.

This mirrors my signature from SisterTruthSeeker

:ty

It will be nice to see many return and join in that felt they had to leave for one reason or another...I hope though that anyone that come aboard with feel the difference here and join in the friendly and caring spirit we all seem to be sharing...we can differ in our opinion with out being rude or mean...I love a good debate as long as it is not a personal attack...:friend

Felicity
06-15-2007, 12:49 AM
Oh I'm sure I have it all wrong. I guess you don't respect a lot of ministers on AFF then? Anyway, all I can say at this hour is "whatever".You don't have it all wrong Pastor. Nobody here has it ALL right either.

StillStanding
06-15-2007, 06:53 AM
It appears that we now have some folks playing the "hate the UPC" card! A disagreement is brought up, and the next thing you know one "hates the UPC"!

Doesn't this remind you of black folks who bring up the "racist" card when criticism is made of their leaders?

Digging4Truth
06-15-2007, 06:58 AM
Ah quit yer whining about people whining about things people whine about when they whine!! :girlpopcorn

Yeah... drink of the new whine. :)

Newman
06-15-2007, 07:30 AM
I would like to apoligize to any one I may have hurt or offended on this thread (or any other).

It is a dangerous to thing to comment on woman's beauty in front of other women without making the other women feel ugly. It seems that is what happened in my ode to Epley. It was not intended. (I hope my analogy doesn't muddy the water further).

The irony is that as much as I respect Epley for his stand, I could not sit under him so most likely would be lost. Thank God for diversity in the Body of Christ. I doubt that any pastor can be all things to all people. Different people; different pastors....

To Rhondi and Cup Cake; I salute you for your intelligence and for telling it as you see it. No slight was intended there either.

To all; I apoligize for being careless in posting. I appreciate and respect the diversity here and and did not mean to suggest anything less. :cool:

Nahum
06-15-2007, 07:37 AM
And I would like to apologize to anyone I may have accidentally, inadvertently, and with no conscious activity upset at some unnamed point in history.

StillStanding
06-15-2007, 07:40 AM
And I would like to apologize to anyone I may have accidentally, inadvertently, and with no conscious activity upset at some unnamed point in history.
Great! You probably have hit everyone at one time or another since you shoot in so many directions! :D

Nahum
06-15-2007, 07:47 AM
Great! You probably have hit everyone at one time or another since you shoot in so many directions! :D

No, there are some I haven't had the chance to "shoot" at yet. Perhaps you can help point me in the right direction?:poloroid

SDG
06-15-2007, 08:33 AM
No, there are some I haven't had the chance to "shoot" at yet. Perhaps you can help point me in the right direction?:poloroid

Ypu're a mouse.