Shooting in Orlando

[Whoop Harted]

Whoops......

20 dead and 40+ wounded.

Possible Radical Islamic Terrorist doing the shooting.

At a nightclub for gays.

So Obama has let, who knows how many, terrorists into the country....

And this good person, with good intentions, turns bad. Possibly because of the Straight, White, Gun loving Christian community?

Let's see how the administration spins this one.

[Whoop Harted]

Interesting that it seems that they have id'ed the shooter.

Don't know if this is legit or not but this is what is out there.

Orlando terror attack: Shooter ID’d as Omar Saddiqui Mateen

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/06/12/multiple-casualties-in-orlando-from-act-of-terrorism-at-night-club/

[Whoop Harted]

Now it is up to 50 dead and 53 wounded.

This qualifies as the worst mass shooting in USA history....

By a Radical Muslim Terrorist who is a registered Democrat.

[n david]

Watched the live press conference. 50 dead, another massive amount injured.

Now the police are refusing to identify or confirm what they stated earlier, which was the gunman was a US citizen born to Afghan parents, who was in his 20s. They also refuse to confirm their earlier comments that this was Islamic terrorism.

By the end of the day, this will be a white, evangelical man who committed a hate crime.

[n david]

But they did say he had a handgun and AR-15.

And some Imam they had to "represent" clergy pleaded for people to not "rush to judgement" based on early reports. Also at the end of his speech he went on about needing to stop these mass shootings.

I saw Rep. Alan Grayson standing with the people speaking. Not sure if he was going to speak or not. My video froze shortly into the Q&A.

[Jito463]

Now it is up to 50 dead and 53 wounded.

At a nightclub for gays.

So many souls, lost for all eternity.

[n david]

"""senior law enforcement source reports that Mateen became a person of interest in 2013 and again in 2014. The Federal Bureau of Investigation at one point opened an investigation into Mateen but subsequently closed the case when it produced nothing that appeared to warrant further investigation.

“He’s a known quantity,” the source said. “He’s been on the radar before.”"""

Yet another failure by our "intelligence" community.

[n david]

Remember, the Imam said not to rush to judgement.

He also did not condemn the terrorist action. He lamented the rise of mass shootings and said they need to be stopped, but said nothing to condemn his religious brethren who kill in the name of mohammed.

[n david]

Video surfaces from a few months ago, April, when an Imam in an Orlando mosque says gays should be killed "out of compassion."

https://youtu.be/qBlwxqqAprQ

[Originalist]

The gun did it.

[n david]

Containing isis is working out so well...

[n david]

"""Santa Monica police arrested a man who had explosives, assault rifles and ammunition and was planning to attend L.A. pride, Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti said Sunday morning during a press conference."""

[Whoop Harted]

'SIGH'

Trump is saying "I told you so!"

Obama is saying.... "New gun control laws!"

So predictable on both sides.

[FlamingZword]

Trump predicted future Islamic inspired terrorist attacks.
Was he right?
Yes or No.

[n david]

Trump predicted future Islamic inspired terrorist attacks.
Was he right?
Yes or No.
A lot of people have "predicted" future terror attacks. Trump hasn't said anything new, nor has he "predicted" anything which wasn't already.

[Dordrecht]

Ask yourself, what has Obama done to make this country safe? Nothing.
Ask yourself, what has Clinton done to make this country safe? Nothing.
They are both part of the same old.
Clinton will change nothing, she's been part of the present crew for a long time.
You want to continue like that? Vote for Clinton.

I watched Obama say he'll pray for the victims families.
The prayer of an unrighteous man means nothing.

[Whoop Harted]

It is going to be interesting on how Obama, Clinton and Trump try to spin this thing out.

Here we have a Isis supporting Democratic who was legal in all his ways to get firearms, was a trained security guard, and killed 50 gay people.

Man o man, this is a nightmare for the DNC!!!

This poor Democratic religion of peace man, who would have thought it?

[Dordrecht]

The shooter himself claimed ISIS responsibility, yet Obama is so blinded he refuses to admit Islamic terrorism was responsible for the mass slaughter of at least 50 individuals in Florida. This is truly a breach of the security of the United States. A president, turning a blind eye to Islamic ISIS operating on American soil!! The worst and most tragic news is that the terrorist and 50 others have slipped into eternity most likely without the security of forgiveness of their sins, a free gift through Jesus Christ. "You shall not murder".

[Dordrecht]

For those that don't understand the laws of Islam... Islam punishes homosexual behaviour by execution. That is right! It's no surprise then that an Islamic terrorist would target this group. Yet Obama and the powers that be in ours and the governments of our western world continue to "sanitize" the political/social religious cult of Islam. Like we cannot see the fruits of Islam for ourselves eh?

[Esaias]

Supposedly 50 dead, 53 wounded, now. How does a 'mass shooter' kill 50 people, wound 50 plus others, all by his lonesome?

Seems a little...hard to believe?

Wondering when the 'manifesto' gets found.

And of course, all law abiding citizens need to surrender their guns because a Muslim shot up a gay nightclub.

[YounginHope]

Supposedly 50 dead, 53 wounded, now. How does a 'mass shooter' kill 50 people, wound 50 plus others, all by his lonesome?

Seems a little...hard to believe?


That is what I was thinking. AR or not, he killed 50. That means even if it was one shot one kill it would've taken a good while even if prepared. Not to mention the 53 wounded. A nightclub with that many people would've had more than one or two security, you would think. I don't buy this at face value. This is a horrific act but will be spun into a victory on some level for gun activist and the LGTB. Wonder why this criminal didn't pay any attention to those pesky gun laws there? Must be from Chicago. Spin, spin, spin.

[n david]

There were reportedly over 350 people packed in this club. Also from what I've read there was one off-duty cop. I've seen Snapchat footage from the club and people were everywhere.

What happened isn't impossible. I'm surprised the death toll isn't higher.

[Esaias]

Wasn't there another shooting the day before?

[Esaias]

Ah yes, there was another shooting on the 11th: http://www.smobserved.com/story/2016/06/11/news/kevin-james-loibl-shot-and-killed-christina-grimmie-because-she-was-a-christian/1425.html

Rising Christian singer and star of The Voice killed because she was a Christian.

[Pliny]

The ACLU has blamed Christians for a Muslim terrorist killing innocent people:

Christian conservatives are responsible for the mass shooting at a gay bar in Orlando because they "created this anti-queer climate," according to American Civil Liberties Union attorneys.

"You know what is gross — your thoughts and prayers and Islamophobia after you created this anti-queer climate," ACLU staff attorney Chase Strangio tweeted on Sunday morning.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/aclu-lawyers-blame-christian-right-gop-for-orlando-terrorist-attack/article/2593679


The lunatic left have proven once again they live in a different universe. Reality does not exist for these people. Imagine a MUSLIM murders people and it is the Christians fault. As though Muslims embrace homosexuals...

[Esaias]

The ACLU has blamed Christians for a Muslim terrorist killing innocent people:

Christian conservatives are responsible for the mass shooting at a gay bar in Orlando because they "created this anti-queer climate," according to American Civil Liberties Union attorneys.

"You know what is gross — your thoughts and prayers and Islamophobia after you created this anti-queer climate," ACLU staff attorney Chase Strangio tweeted on Sunday morning.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/aclu-lawyers-blame-christian-right-gop-for-orlando-terrorist-attack/article/2593679


The lunatic left have proven once again they live in a different universe. Reality does not exist for these people. Imagine a MUSLIM murders people and it is the Christians fault. As though Muslims embrace homosexuals...

There are only four causes of any evil in the world:

1. Christians.
2. Conservatives.
3. White males, especially if they also fit numbers one and two above.
4. Bush.

That's all anyone needs to know. Muslim goes postal in a gay nightclub and wipes out a bunch of sodomites? Christian conservative white males (instigated by Bush) are the reason. Cat got into your garbage and made a mess? Christian white male conservatives who voted for Bush are the culprits.

The world will only be safe and tolerant when white male conservative Christians are exterminated in gas chambers and fed to the lions. Then peace and love can finally have some breathing room.

:smack

[Esphes45]

Where are the people that say God allowed this to happen?

[Esaias]

Where are the people that say God allowed this to happen?

Did God stop it?

[FlamingZword]

And of course, all law abiding citizens need to surrender their guns because a Muslim shot up a gay nightclub.

OK we will start with all law abiding Muslims citizens. :D

[Whoop Harted]

By the way, who wants to bet that the shooter was or had been on anti-depressants or some sort of physcho drug in the last little while?

Trade mark of all mass shootings.

[Whoop Harted]

It has come out today that he had visited the place before, several times, in the last few months. Probably scouting it out.....

Another person said the shooter had hit on him.....

Maybe this is more than just a moslem who hated gays.....

Maybe it was a moslem who loved gays..... and wasnt loved back!

[Esaias]

The guy was under FBI surveillance and was known to them for years. His father had a local cable access show or something praising the Taliban. The guy got a clearance from Homeland inSecurity. He worked for Wackenhut (under whatever their latest business name is, G4S or something), a private military contractor/security firm. Apparently he had a job of transporting 'newly arrived immigrants' around the country? Syrian refugees, maybe?

He attended a mosque that was under federal surveillance for being 'radical'. This mosque apparently has some direct connections to the mosque in Boston that the Tsarnaev boys were involved in, and which was also under surveillance for radicalisation.

Apparently FBI or DHiS had been warned several days in advance of a terror attack in Florida/East Coast area.

So, long story short, like so many 'terror incidents' of late, the government was all over this one... and OOPSIE! 'Somebody dropped the ball' so we need more laws to infringe on our rights, more jihadi refugees to come into the country, more perversion politics being pushed, and the border definitely does NOT need any additional security or screening. Plus give these folks rights to vote. Oh and give em welfare as well, courtesy of Mr and Mrs US Taxpayer.

[Whoop Harted]

Let's recap the facts that seems to be surfacing about this mass killer that now holds the record for the most people killed.

1- Moslem
2- Registered Democrat
3- Frequent attender at a night club for gays
4- legal holder of firearms
5- College degree
6- Worked for government contractor
7- Possibly gay

WOW

It must be a Democrats nightmare. This fits the democrat criteria......

[n david]

From one of my favorite members of Congress, Justin Smash:

"""In response to the terrorist attack, I've heard Democrats and Republicans endorse violating the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 8th Amendments."""

[n david]

America's outrage is ironic: "Why did the FBI ignore all the red flags???" And yet Democrats have nominated Hillary and the Republicans have nominated Trump in spite of the plethora of red flags with both candidates.

[Esaias]

Witnesses reported up to three shooters.

Also that somebody outside was blocking the door so nobody could escape.

Read one claim that alleged shooter's father worked for CIA?

Questions, questions...

[n david]

Witnesses reported up to three shooters.

Also that somebody outside was blocking the door so nobody could escape.

Read one claim that alleged shooter's father worked for CIA?

Questions, questions...
Sources?

[Esaias]

Saw Faux news blabbers yammering about disarming citizens. Also saw some democruds(?) walking out of the Moment of Silence because reps were wailing about how they gotta get the guns. No respect for decorum whatsoever. Nikulturniy, that's the word.

[Aquila]

This has nothing to do with the shooter being a Democrat or a Republican. It has to do with the shooter being a psychopathic killer (even possibly possessed). Sadly, idiots on both sides of the aisle are trying to exploit the tragedy to advance their political agendas.

[Dordrecht]

Obama today speaking to reporters why he does not use the words "Radical Islam"…….. Said Islam is a great religion.

Somebody should send him a koran to read.

[Whoop Harted]

The shooters ex-wife said the shooter was gay.

Maybe what happened was the shooter had been visiting the club for quite a while, had made advances that had been repulsed, got mad and went and got his guns, then while he was on the phone with the dispatchers took and used Islam as the excuse because he knew that if they knew he was gay that it would not sound as noble.

Hmmmmmm.....

[Whoop Harted]

LOL

The DNC is hating this one.....

A gay democratic moslem commits the worst mass shooting in over a century!!!!

[FlamingZword]

LOL

The DNC is hating this one.....

A gay democratic moslem commits the worst mass shooting in over a century!!!!

The DNC also hates this one. Russian hackers hacked into their database. :D

If these clowns who work for Hitlary can not protect their own information, how can we trust them to protect ours?

[Esaias]

The shooters ex-wife said the shooter was gay.

Maybe what happened was the shooter had been visiting the club for quite a while, had made advances that had been repulsed, got mad and went and got his guns, then while he was on the phone with the dispatchers took and used Islam as the excuse because he knew that if they knew he was gay that it would not sound as noble.

Hmmmmmm.....

I do not believe this was an 'act of passion' or anger. They seem to be shaping up to go with the story line of 'repressed homosexual acts out and takes advantage of America's lax gun laws and kills innocent people' instead of 'Muslim jihadist who was known as a threat to Homeland inSecurity and the FBI and had connections to Defense Department, Homeland inSecurity, and State Dept as well as known connections to known terrorists and terror groups who themselves seem to be fronting as CI's for Homeland inSecurity and the FBI goes on shooting rampage along with an unknown number of accomplices and kills a bunch of unarmed people in a gunfree zone'.

The whole event stinks, the 'official story' will be a farce and a fiction whatever they finally decide on running with, and nobody is going to disarm because of it.

[Marina Del Ray]

LOL

The DNC is hating this one.....

A gay democratic moslem commits the worst mass shooting in over a century!!!!

Hello,
I do not post on this forum, mostly I just lurk to read what has been happening with the Apostolic faith. Sometimes I read here, in the political and news areas. I usually enjoy reading through the Deep Waters section and other threads. I haven't really felt compelled to post before now. But something in this post grabbed my attention, and I felt the need to post to ask 1 simple question:

Why, in the above post, does your writing seem so... gleeful?
I deeply apologize if I have misconstrued the intent behind your post, but that's just how it seemed to me.

[aegsm76]

I believe that Whoop Harted is a "troll" account.
Probably by someone who posts "seriously" under another name.
And no, it is not me!

[Jito463]

So, the Rolling Stone(d) magazine is now making the case for completely repealing the 2nd amendment.

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/melissa-mullins/2016/06/16/rolling-stone-repeal-second-amendment

[shazeep]

it would be nice to repeal all of this motive-hunting for criminality, imo.

[n david]

Unfortunately I believe I will live to see the day our Bill of Rights are completely repealed. Especially the first, second and fourth through sixth amendments.

And it won't only be liberal Democrats who will do this. The GOP will be complicit in it as well.

[Whoop Harted]

Hello,
I do not post on this forum, mostly I just lurk to read what has been happening with the Apostolic faith. Sometimes I read here, in the political and news areas. I usually enjoy reading through the Deep Waters section and other threads. I haven't really felt compelled to post before now. But something in this post grabbed my attention, and I felt the need to post to ask 1 simple question:

Why, in the above post, does your writing seem so... gleeful?
I deeply apologize if I have misconstrued the intent behind your post, but that's just how it seemed to me.

No offense taken.....

This comment is for others, who I have corresponded with off and on for years, regarding politics. It is for them.

The LOL comes from the idea that some think it is only the white straight religious right, Republican, carrying their guns, God and anti-gay rhetoric, that would do something like this and "Bingo", out comes this fellow.

Moslem, democrat, legal gun carrier, and quite possibly with gay-tendancies, if not out and out gay, ....

Yes, the humor of it strikes me quite well! Not the humor of someone dying, but the humor that some in the DNC are hating the thought of it being what it is.

:icecream

[Whoop Harted]

I believe that Whoop Harted is a "troll" account.
Probably by someone who posts "seriously" under another name.
And no, it is not me!

"Gasp", who'd of thunk it?

:throwrock

[shazeep]

"Omar Mateen does not belong to ISIS he belongs to America, a nation whose foreign policy laid the seeds out of which ISIS has grown.

History will not be kind."

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/346631-orlando-violence-us-isis-mateen/

[FlamingZword]

"Omar Mateen does not belong to ISIS he belongs to America, a nation whose foreign policy laid the seeds out of which ISIS has grown.

History will not be kind."

Omar Mateen belongs to the DemonRats, he was a registered DemonRat.
A hundredth percent wrong, ISIS grew our of the seeds of the Islamic religions.

Liberal History will not be kind, fair or correct, it never is.

[Marina Del Ray]

No offense taken.....

This comment is for others, who I have corresponded with off and on for years, regarding politics. It is for them.

The LOL comes from the idea that some think it is only the white straight religious right, Republican, carrying their guns, God and anti-gay rhetoric, that would do something like this and "Bingo", out comes this fellow.

Moslem, democrat, legal gun carrier, and quite possibly with gay-tendancies, if not out and out gay, ....

Yes, the humor of it strikes me quite well! Not the humor of someone dying, but the humor that some in the DNC are hating the thought of it being what it is.

:icecream


ahhhhhh, I see! Sometimes I have a hard time distinguishing certain "voices" in posts :)
It makes reading forums a bit of a hassle for me to be honest, but your response I felt was kind.
Some people are not so when I ask such questions, so thank you for that!
Well, back to lurking. Have a wonderful day!

[n david]

So....the FBI failed vetting the Boston Bombers.
Failed vetting the San Bernardino terrorist's wife.
Failed vetting the Orlando terrorist.
Did not even visit the gun store or follow up to investigate its claims.

And now they have lost the terrorist's ex wife! Per news reports this afternoon, she has "vanished."

And we're supposed to give up our guns and feel safe that they're doing their job?

How in God's green earth does an "intelligence" agency LOSE a key witness in the worst terrorist attack since 9/11???!!!

What utter failure and incompetence! Any private agency with the FBI's record of failures would be closed and out of business.

Good grief. Bunch of bumbling fools.

[Esaias]

There is NOTHING "incompetent" about what's going on. NOT. A. THING.

What people suffer from is normalcy bias and cognitive dissonance, they just can't believe what is staring them in the face.

Solzhenitsyn said masses of people "just couldn't believe" what was happening in Russia. They rationalized everything, made excuses for what their own government was doing to them, because they just could not believe the reality.

I believe an awful lot of Germans did too in the 30s. I have read first hand accounts of Jews in Warsaw and other places, most of them literally refused to believe what was closing in on them. The few who tried to warn them were mocked, laughed at, and even turned in!

They couldn't believe it, either... until it was too late.

If you have the stomach for it, there is an old foreign movie called "The Chekist". It is subtitled, and you can see it online for free here and there. It chronicles the career of a Cheka officer. Very realistic, very gruesome but not in a horror movie kind of way, just stark and bluntly honest. Definitely not for children, though. People literally moments before being executed did not believe it was happening, that there was "a mistake", that some kind of incompetence was to blame.

Nope, just unrestrained evil.

[Esaias]

I have read three separate news reports about the gay club shooting, and I sit amazed.

There is a survivor named Angel Colon. One of the doctors involved in this is a Dr. Matt Lube. And there is a Sheriff Ken Mascara.

For real?

Yes, for "real".

[Esaias]

Omar Mateen appeared in a documentary in 2011 called "The Big Fix", about the Gulf Oil Spill.

The first witness interviewed, Luis Burbano, is an actor, has five credits to his name, including a 2015 music video called " Spirit of Orlando: Shooting Up" where he plays a guy at a club.

[Esaias]

Apparently, Omar Mateen's dad runs an Afghani pro-Taliban TV program funded and supported by Voice of America (CIA/State Dept propaganda outfit). So the shooter's dad has state dept and CIA/US psyop connections manipulating propaganda in Afghanistan directed at Taliban supporters.

Hmmm...

[Esaias]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QACzn4QnnI

[Whoop Harted]

So you don't believe that 49 people died and 50 + were injured?

Or is it that you believe that it is a "Red flag" to bring in other restrictions that will lead to worse repression?

[Esaias]

So you don't believe that 49 people died and 50 + were injured?

Or is it that you believe that it is a "Red flag" to bring in other restrictions that will lead to worse repression?

I don't believe anything the lying Medianites tell us. I have no idea what actually happened, as I wasn't there. And even that wouldn't guarantee knowing what happened, fully.

One thing I do know is a narrative is being pushed, a communist anti American narrative. And Obummer, Hilary, and Trump are all supporting that narrative.

[FlamingZword]

So you don't believe that 49 people died and 50 + were injured?

Or is it that you believe that it is a "Red flag" to bring in other restrictions that will lead to worse repression?

anything that happens in America is twisted toward a system of repression of Christianity and destruction of our nation.

Every tragedy that happens is a weapon that the left uses to advance their cause.

[Whoop Harted]

anything that happens in America is twisted toward a system of repression of Christianity and destruction of our nation.

Every tragedy that happens is a weapon that the left uses to advance their cause.

The funny thing is I also believe that. I wanted Esaias to possibly expound on what he had written.

I hate to use the word conspiracy but.....

Jer 11:6 Then the LORD said unto me, Proclaim all these words in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, saying, Hear ye the words of this covenant, and do them.
Jer 11:7 For I earnestly protested unto your fathers in the day that I brought them up out of the land of Egypt, even unto this day, rising early and protesting, saying, Obey my voice.
Jer 11:8 Yet they obeyed not, nor inclined their ear, but walked every one in the imagination of their evil heart: therefore I will bring upon them all the words of this covenant, which I commanded them to do; but they did them not.
Jer 11:9 And the LORD said unto me, A conspiracy is found among the men of Judah, and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
Jer 11:10 They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers.
Jer 11:11 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon them, which they shall not be able to escape; and though they shall cry unto me, I will not hearken unto them.

What we are seeing is nothing new in the struggle of carnal men against God. It always happens and always brings judgment.

[Evang.Benincasa]

What happened in Orlando?

The Homosexual Stonewall rally in Fort Lauderdale was running at full speed. They celebrated as if nothing happened. So, what happened in Orlando?

[votivesoul]

So....the FBI failed vetting the Boston Bombers.
Failed vetting the San Bernardino terrorist's wife.
Failed vetting the Orlando terrorist.
Did not even visit the gun store or follow up to investigate its claims.

And now they have lost the terrorist's ex wife! Per news reports this afternoon, she has "vanished."

And we're supposed to give up our guns and feel safe that they're doing their job?

How in God's green earth does an "intelligence" agency LOSE a key witness in the worst terrorist attack since 9/11???!!!

What utter failure and incompetence! Any private agency with the FBI's record of failures would be closed and out of business.

Good grief. Bunch of bumbling fools.

Maybe the FBI is the reason why she "vanished", into a swampy lagoon somewhere never to be heard from again?

[n david]

Maybe the FBI is the reason why she "vanished", into a swampy lagoon somewhere never to be heard from again?
Like the Bin Laden family was flown out of the US after 9/11? I would not be surprised, especially now that the administration has said they were going to edit out all references to isis and Islam made by the Orlando terrorist.

[Esaias]

Like the Bin Laden family was flown out of the US after 9/11? I would not be surprised, especially now that the administration has said they were going to edit out all references to isis and Islam made by the Orlando terrorist.

I mean, seriously, we are living in the Soviet Union. For real. Editing reality to fit a narrative, so obvious, so ridiculous. Unbelievable.

Well, actually, quite believable, considering the times we live in.

[shazeep]

I mean, seriously, we are living in the Soviet Union. For real. Editing reality to fit a narrative, so obvious, so ridiculous. Unbelievable.

Well, actually, quite believable, considering the times we live in.oh, please already. Trying to connect him to Islam and/or IS was the ridiculous part.

[n david]

oh, please already. Trying to connect him to Islam and/or IS was the ridiculous part.
So the fact the guy told multiple 911 operators that he was doing this in the name of isis and islam is ridiculous? He may not have been in direct contact with isis, but that doesn't matter. He still committed the act of terrorism in the name of isis.

It's not as though he said nothing about it and people are trying to connect him without evidence. There's evidence. And that evidence this administration is trying to remove and whitewash in order to push its narrative -- that isis is contained and not a threat.

[Originalist]

So the fact the guy told multiple 911 operators that he was doing this in the name of isis and islam is ridiculous? He may not have been in direct contact with isis, but that doesn't matter. He still committed the act of terrorism in the name of isis.

It's not as though he said nothing about it and people are trying to connect him without evidence. There's evidence. And that evidence this administration is trying to remove and whitewash in order to push its narrative -- that isis is contained and not a threat.

We are getting ever closer to the point I would hope for a military coup to remove this turkey from office.

[Whoop Harted]

What happened in Orlando?

The Homosexual Stonewall rally in Fort Lauderdale was running at full speed. They celebrated as if nothing happened. So, what happened in Orlando?

Welllllll

Now that you have decided to come in off the beaches and quit your sunbathing......:laffatu

There was a mass shooting in a gay dance club there in Orlando......

I think....

Maybe if you don't know about it there then it never happened.....

Maybe?

[Esaias]

oh, please already. Trying to connect him to Islam and/or IS was the ridiculous part.

My theory: Option A: The guy was a stooge being worked by FBI and/or CIA and/or XYZ agency(ies), specifically to create an 'ISIS threat to (gay) America. Option B: The guy was nowhere near Orlando, but they needed someplace to 'dump the body', so two birds with one stone, wet team takes out gay club, blame 'Omar', create 'ISIS terror plot in US so give up your rights' meme. Option C: One agency runs an op, other agencies not in the loop, looks bad for Obummer and Co so they whitewash the ISIS connection. Whoever was running the op was trying to create an ISIS terror plot but the optics for the admin weren't all too good, they decide to spin it another direction.

Other possibilities not excluded.

Did anyone hear about the guy arrested in LA at the same time with bombs and guns on his way to the gay pride parade there in Hollywood or whatever? Santa Monica, I think it was. Read a claim that he actually turned himself in to Santa Monica police wanting 'protection from the CIA', claimed that he and five others were part of a double-pronged attack plan, one in Orlando, one in LA, but when he heard brother Omar had been killed he figured the CIA had double crossed them so he wanted protection. Supposedly, FBI took over, and a gag order was placed on the locals not allowing them to discuss the case.

Hmmm....

[n david]

Did anyone hear about the guy arrested in LA at the same time with bombs and guns on his way to the gay pride parade there in Hollywood or whatever? Santa Monica, I think it was. Read a claim that he actually turned himself in to Santa Monica police wanting 'protection from the CIA', claimed that he and five others were part of a double-pronged attack plan, one in Orlando, one in LA, but when he heard brother Omar had been killed he figured the CIA had double crossed them so he wanted protection. Supposedly, FBI took over, and a gag order was placed on the locals not allowing them to discuss the case.

Hmmm....
Didn't hear that story. Everything I read and heard was someone reported a suspicious person who was arrested.

[Praxeas]

Didn't hear that story. Everything I read and heard was someone reported a suspicious person who was arrested.
Nope..that sounds to rational. Lets go with the more crazy ideas

[Esaias]

Nope..that sounds to rational. Lets go with the more crazy ideas

Yeah, like the terrorist was skulking around some houses knocking on windows so someone called the cops on him and that's how they saved the day.

:laffatu

[shazeep]

So the fact the guy told multiple 911 operators that he was doing this in the name of isis and islam is ridiculous? He may not have been in direct contact with isis, but that doesn't matter. He still committed the act of terrorism in the name of isis.yes, but given the likely circumstances that seems awfully convenient; sounds to me like IS woulda whacked his head off post-haste. After all, "i'm shooting the place up because i was jilted" is prolly not even on the menu. It is pointless imo to listen to an evildoer's justification for doing evil, except to analyze it for the inevitable lie.

i would not discount some scenario of Esaias', given the alpha soup's past history. I doubt rational explanations would even be reported now, unless there was no better spin, and there seems to be plenty of spin to go around here.

[KeptByTheWord]

It is hard for me to fathom how one person killed 49 people, and another 50+ people injured, and that no one was able to subdue him or tackle him. This alone makes me wonder about the whole situation and its validity as to the lone person carrying it out.

[FlamingZword]

It is hard for me to fathom how one person killed 49 people, and another 50+ people injured, and that no one was able to subdue him or tackle him. This alone makes me wonder about the whole situation and its validity as to the lone person carrying it out.

As a military person it is not hard for me to fathom that at all, actually one well armed person could inflict a whole lot more damage than this person if trained by the military.

[n david]

There's one exit in the building. Someone blocked the other. There were 350+ packed in the club.

I'm surprised he didn't kill more than 50.

[votivesoul]

It is hard for me to fathom how one person killed 49 people, and another 50+ people injured, and that no one was able to subdue him or tackle him. This alone makes me wonder about the whole situation and its validity as to the lone person carrying it out.

Personal valor and courage in the face of danger with a willingness to sacrifice one's life for a complete stranger is not the hallmark of the current generation.

Pockets of it exist, of course. But it's not the norm.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Welllllll

Now that you have decided to come in off the beaches and quit your sunbathing......:laffatu

There was a mass shooting in a gay dance club there in Orlando......

I think....

Maybe if you don't know about it there then it never happened.....

Maybe?

A mass shooting happened in a Homosexual bar in Orlando?

I'd like to see some proof.

[Evang.Benincasa]

As a military person it is not hard for me to fathom that at all, actually one well armed person could inflict a whole lot more damage than this person if trained by the military.

Wow, one guy loaded down with all that ammo, carrying how many guns?

Seriously?

[n david]

A handgun and Sig Sauer MCX rifle which has a 30-round magazine. Most I know have two magazines taped together (opposite ends) to quickly reload. A couple of those aren't much to carry. Easy to carry a couple hundred rounds.

[Esaias]

His accuracy was 50 KIA, 53 WIA. One guy.

All previous mass shootings never remotely approached that kind of accuracy and effectiveness. Even the Cali schoolyard shooting didn't come close.

I don't buy the storyline, especially when several witnesses have claimed there were multiple shooters involved.

One lone nut? Where have I heard that before?

[Evang.Benincasa]

A handgun and Sig Sauer MCX rifle which has a 30-round magazine. Most I know have two magazines taped together (opposite ends) to quickly reload. A couple of those aren't much to carry. Easy to carry a couple hundred rounds.

I wonder how many people brought logical convincing arguments for the Emperor's New Clothes?

Oh, by the way how many people now believe the earth is flat? :heeheehee

[FlamingZword]

Wow, one guy loaded down with all that ammo, carrying how many guns?

Seriously?

Obviously you were never in the military. :dogpat

[Evang.Benincasa]

Obviously you were never in the military. :dogpat

Obviously also dealing with reality and in no way trying to continue to justify these frauds. :thumbsup

[shazeep]

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