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Evang.Benincasa
06-15-2007, 11:30 AM
Psa 7:11-12
"God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day. If he turn not, he will whet his sword; he hath bent his bow, and made it ready."
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
mizpeh
06-15-2007, 11:46 AM
Psa 7:11-12
"God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day. If he turn not, he will whet his sword; he hath bent his bow, and made it ready."
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
yes, but you will notice this part of the verse...If he turn not, God is also extremely merciful and quickly forgives when someone repents. He gives men space to repent because of his longsuffering with mankind. He takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. I believe He does everything possible to save souls. Rising up early and sending prophets etc.
Ezr 9:13 And after all that is come upon us for our evil deeds, and for our great trespass, seeing that thou our God hast punished us less than our iniquities deserve, and hast given us such deliverance as this;
Psalm 130:3 If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand? 4 But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.
Digging4Truth
06-15-2007, 11:50 AM
Psa 7:11-12
"God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day. If he turn not, he will whet his sword; he hath bent his bow, and made it ready."
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
Lam 3:21 This I recall to my mind, therefore have I hope.
Lam 3:22 [It is of] the LORD'S mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not.
Lam 3:23 [They are] new every morning: great [is] thy faithfulness.
Evang.Benincasa
06-15-2007, 12:22 PM
yes, but you will notice this part of the verse...If he turn not, God is also extremely merciful and quickly forgives when someone repents. He gives men space to repent because of his longsuffering with mankind. He takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. I believe He does everything possible to save souls. Rising up early and sending prophets etc.
Ezr 9:13 And after all that is come upon us for our evil deeds, and for our great trespass, seeing that thou our God hast punished us less than our iniquities deserve, and hast given us such deliverance as this;
Psalm 130:3 If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand? 4 But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.
If they repented they wouldn't be wicked would they?
So is God angry with the wicked every day?
In Jesus Name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
If they repented they wouldn't be wicked would they?
So is God angry with the wicked every day?
In Jesus Name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com (http://www.OnTimeJournal.com)
YES!
crakjak
06-15-2007, 04:42 PM
Lam 3:21 This I recall to my mind, therefore have I hope.
Lam 3:22 [It is of] the LORD'S mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not.
Lam 3:23 [They are] new every morning: great [is] thy faithfulness.
And this was all before Jesus died for the sins of the whole world.
mfblume
06-15-2007, 04:49 PM
And this was all before Jesus died for the sins of the whole world.
But...
Rom 6:3 KJV Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
crakjak
06-15-2007, 05:05 PM
But...
Rom 6:3 KJV Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
If His mercy did not fail under the Old Covenant, then yea.....that's right the New Covenant is even better.
Luke 2:10-14
10But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. 11Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ[a] the Lord. 12This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger."
13Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying,
14"Glory to God in the highest,
and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests."
mfblume
06-15-2007, 05:42 PM
If His mercy did not fail under the Old Covenant, then yea.....that's right the New Covenant is even better.
Luke 2:10-14
10But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. 11Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ[a] the Lord. 12This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger."
13Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying,
14"Glory to God in the highest,
and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests."
Rom 6:3 says the death of Christ is only good for those who are baptized into His death. "So many of us as were baptized into his death..." Stipulation Stipulation Stipulation.
Evang.Benincasa
06-15-2007, 06:54 PM
And this was all before Jesus died for the sins of the whole world.
Brother CJ, did you go an answer my post in the Universal thread?
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=4341&page=15
Please go an answer my post before you start the same subject here. :)
Lord bless you
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
Evang.Benincasa
06-15-2007, 06:58 PM
Psa 9:5
"Thou hast rebuked the heathen, thou hast destroyed the wicked, thou hast put out their name for ever and ever."
There is no time limit on for ever and ever. The wicked are destroyed and that destruction is eternal.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
ChTatum
06-15-2007, 08:55 PM
I was wicked.
Weren't you?
ChTatum
06-15-2007, 08:56 PM
Psa 9:5
"Thou hast rebuked the heathen, thou hast destroyed the wicked, thou hast put out their name for ever and ever."
There is no time limit on for ever and ever. The wicked are destroyed and that destruction is eternal.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
Your above post places the wicked's fate in the present tense, while the scripture places it in the past.
ChTatum
06-15-2007, 09:17 PM
"Where, oh where, are you tonight?
Why did you leave me here all alone....."
mizpeh
06-15-2007, 10:04 PM
If they repented they wouldn't be wicked would they?
So is God angry with the wicked every day?
In Jesus Name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
I wrote 'yes'.
God's anger is turned away when repentance takes place.
Evang.Benincasa
06-15-2007, 10:32 PM
I was wicked.
Weren't you?
Does that mean your still wicked? No that means you were once wicked.
So therefore God's anger has passed.
Evang.Benincasa
06-15-2007, 10:33 PM
Your above post places the wicked's fate in the present tense, while the scripture places it in the past.
If the wicked remain in there wickedness God's anger abides on them.
Evang.Benincasa
06-15-2007, 10:34 PM
"Where, oh where, are you tonight?
Why did you leave me here all alone....."
I'm here :club
mfblume
06-21-2007, 02:05 PM
God is angry with the wicked everyday because He loves them so much, and they are not finding their way to Him.
If God did not love them so much, He would not care.
Michlow
06-21-2007, 02:10 PM
Doesn't the Bible say that God is slow to anger? I don't call being mad constantly everyday "slow".
mfblume
06-21-2007, 02:33 PM
The bible indeed says God is angry with the wicked every day, but that does not mean He hates them everyday. He loves the sinner. Even when they sin. But he is angry with them if they sin because he loves them so much.
What is the point of this thread anyway?
Steve Epley
06-21-2007, 03:19 PM
I certainly believe He is but it is tempered with mercy.
Michlow
06-22-2007, 07:14 AM
Doesn't the Bible say that God is slow to anger? I don't call being mad constantly everyday "slow".
*Bump*
Anyone want to address this?
mfblume
06-22-2007, 09:08 AM
*Bump*
Anyone want to address this?
I already did. The bible simply says God is angry with the wicked everyday. It sounded like this post refuted that.
Esaias
12-04-2020, 12:59 AM
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Anyone want to address this?
God is slow to anger, meaning He does not immediately blot out His people if they sin. He is long suffering, even with the wicked, otherwise this world would have been burnt toast millennia ago.
God does not get angry like humans tend to do. That is, we often get angry at the slightest things. We get angry when others make simple mistakes with no ill will on their part at all. Yet we get impatient, and angry. It doesn't take much to make the average human angry. Yet God is not like that. He doesn't get angry with us for slight or inconsequential reasons. IF God is angry, it is because there is a serious and valid reason for it.
Now, let's look at the text:
God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
(Psa 7:11)
Notice, "with the wicked" is in italics, meaning those words were supplied by the translators, they are not found specifically in the original text. Let's look at a literal translation:
God is a righteous judge, And He is not angry at all times.
(Psa 7:11, Young's Literal Translation)
Here are some older English translations:
The Lord is a iust iuge, stronge and pacient; whether he is wrooth bi alle daies?
(Psa 7:12, Wycliff's English translation of the Latin)
God is a rightuous iudge, & God is euer threateninge. Yf men wil not turne, he hath whet his swearde: he hath bent his bowe & made it ready.
(Psa 7:12, Coverdale's English Translation)
The Lorde is a righteous iudge: and the Lorde is prouoked to anger euery day.
(Psa 7:11, The Bishop's Bible)
God iudgeth the righteous, and him that contemneth God euery day.
(Psa 7:11, Geneva Bible Translation)
We can see that the Hebrew text is somewhat unclear. It seems that God is angry, yet it is not clearly stated with whom as it is in the AV. The general idea is that God is a righteous judge who is not to be mocked, that the wicked who persist in their wickedness can expect wrath from heaven for their obstinate sinning.
Let's look at the Greek old testament:
God is a righteous Judge, and strong, and patient, not inflicting vengeance every day.
(Psa 7:11, Complete Apostles' Bible translation)
God [judge is a just], and strong, and lenient, not [anger bringing on] each day.
(Psa 7:11, Apostolic Bible Polyglot)
God is a righteous judge, and strong, and patient, not inflicting vengeance every day.
(Psa 7:11, Brenton's translation)
It seems the Greek text is declaring that God is righteous and patient, NOT constantly full of wrath, like the wrathful deities common in the pagan conceptions of the gods.
Adam Clarke offers an interesting discussion:
God is angry with the wicked every day - The Hebrew for this sentence is the following: ועל זעם בכל יום veel zoem becol yom; which, according to the points, is, And God is angry every day. Our translation seems to have been borrowed from the Chaldee, where the whole verse is as follows: אלהא דינא זכאה ובתקוף רגיז אל רשיעי כל יומא elaha daiyana zaccaah ubithkoph rageiz al reshiey col yoma: “God is a righteous Judge; and in strength he is angry against the wicked every day.”
The Vulgate: Deus Judex justus, fortis, et patiens; numquid irascitur per sinpulos dies? “God is a Judge righteous, strong, and patient; will he be angry every day?”
The Septuagint: Ὁ Θεος Κριτης δικαιος, και ισχυρος, και μακροθυμος, μη οργην επαγων καθ’ ἑκαστην ἡμεραν; “God is a righteous Judge, strong and longsuffering; not bringing forth his anger every day.”
Syriac: “God is the Judge of righteousness; he is not angry every day.”
The Arabic is the same as the Septuagint.
The Aethiopic: “God is a just Judge, and strong and longsuffering; he will not bring forth tribulation daily.”
Coverdale: God is a righteous judge, and Gob is ever threateninge.
King Edward’s Bible by Becke 1549, follows this reading.
Cardmarden: God is a righteous judge, [strong and patient] and God is provoked every day. Cardmarden has borrowed strong and patient from the Vulgate or Septuagint, but as he found nothing in the Hebrew to express them, he put the words in a smaller letter, and included them in brackets. This is followed by the prose version in our Prayer Book.
The Genevan version, printed by Barker, the king’s printer, 1615, translates thus: “God judgeth the righteous, and him that contemneth God every day.” On which there is this marginal note: “He doth continually call the wicked to repentance, by some signs of his judgments.” My ancient Scotico - English MS. Psalter only begins with the conclusion of this Psalm.
I have judged it of consequence to trace this verse through all the ancient versions in order to be able to ascertain what is the true reading, where the evidence on one side amounts to a positive affirmation, “God is angry every day;” and, on the other side, to as positive a negation, “He is Not angry every day.” The mass of evidence supports the latter reading. The Chaldee first corrupted the text by making the addition, with the wicked, which our translators have followed, though they have put the words into italics, as not being in the Hebrew text. In the MSS. collated by Kennicott and De Rossi there is no various reading on this text.
The true sense may be restored thus: -
אל el, with the vowel point tsere, signifies God: אל al, the same letters, with the point pathach, signifies not. Several of the versions have read it in this way: “God judgeth the righteous, and is Not angry every day.” He is not always chiding, nor is he daily punishing, notwithstanding the continual wickedness of men: hence, the ideas of patience and longsufferiny which several of the versions introduce. Were I to take any of the translations in preference to the above, I should feel most inclined to adopt that of Coverdale.
good samaritan
12-07-2020, 06:18 AM
That is what the scripture says.
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