My Pastor Preach on Tithing - Faulty Methodology

[BrainWashed]

Yesterday I endured a sermon my pastor taught regarding tithing.

We all know the Israelites tithed of their personal possessions. Therefore, I can’t comprehend how he utilized Abram’s tithe to reinforce tithing.

We know that Abram kept nothing he acquired from the spoils of war.

Genesis 14:24 clearly indicates:
“I will accept nothing but what my men have eaten and the share that belongs to the men who went with me--to Aner, Eshkol and Mamre. Let them have their share."

You don’t need a theology degree to conclude that Abram didn’t keep anything for himself. Therefore, Abram couldn't have tithed from his personal possession as the Israelites were instructed.

Utilizing Abram's tithing example to reinforce New Testament tithing is stupid at best. According to Abram’s example, modern day preaching suggests that if I burglarize a few homes, I must tithe 10% of the stolen goods.

My pastor then said, “Abram must have acquired this practice from God, where else would he get it from”

Uhhhhh……Try reading up on the Arabic War Customs. It was a tradition that the victor tithed 10% of the spoils of war to the neighboring king.

My pastor then utilized Genesis 28:22 to reinforce modern day tithing because of Jacob's tithe:
“and[g] this stone that I have set up as a pillar will be God’s house, and of all that you give me I will give you a tenth.”


However, my pastor failed to mention the proceeding scriptures to Genesis 28:22. My pastor states that Jacob knew the mandate of tithing and we should too.

Let me inject something here. Jacob was a descendant of Abram, correct? Abram was Isaac’s father, and Isaac was Jacob’s father. Well, if Abram was aware of pre-Mosaic tithing, wouldn’t Abram have instilled this practice into Isaac, and Isaac into Jacob?

Let’s look at the scripture my pastor skipped. Genesis 28:20-22

20) Then Jacob made a vow, saying, “If God will be with me and will watch over me on this journey I am taking and will give me food to eat and clothes to wear
21) so that I return safely to my father’s household, then the LORD[f] will be my God
22 and[g] this stone that I have set up as a pillar will be God’s house, and of all that you give me I will give you a tenth.”


Well well…. Would you look at that? Jacob made vow! Jacob bargained with God about tithing. Notice Jacob telling God, basically, if you bless me, then I’ll give you a tenth.


The interesting part is that god accepted Jacob’s terms. Here are a few comments to ponder.

1)If tithing were pre-mosaic, Jacob would have never bargained about tithing with God.
2)God accepted Jacob’s terms, yet we read that God was mad at the Israelites in Malachi 3:8 for robbing god in tithes and offerings?
3)So you’re saying God was okay with Jacob robbing Him of tithes and even allowed Jacob to tithe according to Jacob’s terms? Not only did God agree to Jacob's terms, but god blessed Jacob too. So we read that God condemned the Israelites in Malachi 3:8 for robbing Him of tithes, but he was okay with Jacob doing it?
5)Why didn’t he condemn Jacob as he condemned the Israelites in Malachi?

Someone please enlighten me regarding the two situations above. If you can't comment anything interesting about to two situations I posted above, or if you can't answer my questions, perform a study and then respond to my comments. I'm getting tired of listening to robots.

[jediwill83]

It wasn't just any Israelites condemned for not robbing God in Malachi 3:8.

It was the Levites who had taken the tithe from the people and misused it.

Malachi 3:8 specifically addresses them.

It crazy that preachers supposedly fulfilling the role of modern day Levites would use a scripture used by God to punish their predecessors and use it to crack the whip on those that were taken advantage of in Malachi 3:8.

Context Context Context

[mfblume]

Why is this your pastor if you disagree with such an issue so strongly? It is not good to bash your own pastor, even if he is wrong. You spoke quite condescendingly about him. I think it is an unwise post the way you worded this.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Why is this your pastor if you disagree with such an issue so strongly? It is not good to bash your own pastor, even if he is wrong. You spoke quite condescendingly about him. I think it is an unwise post the way you worded this.

Forum Troll, posts to get a rise out of people.

Whoever this is, they may already have their pastor's head stuffed and mounted on the wall over their computer.

[BrainWashed]

Why is this your pastor if you disagree with such an issue so strongly? It is not good to bash your own pastor, even if he is wrong. You spoke quite condescendingly about him. I think it is an unwise post the way you worded this.

Mfblume,

I'm there for personal reasons I can't disclose.

[BrainWashed]

Forum Troll, posts to get a rise out of people.

Whoever this is, they may already have their pastor's head stuffed and mounted on the wall over their computer.

EvaBen,

Forum troll? What great substance you have to offer. I'm assuming you might be one of those "robots?"

[Amanah]

BW, the bible says to honor those who have the rule over you for they are watching for your soul . . . love and serve and submit to each other as unto Jesus.

What the above poster's objected to is your attitude.

[Esaias]

Mfblume,

I'm there for personal reasons I can't disclose.

Then why complain about a sermon?

Are you an elder in your congregation? Did you speak to an elder about the sermon? Did you speak to the pastor about the sermon?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Mfblume,

I'm there for personal reasons I can't disclose.

Oh but of course, how convenient that you are in the congregation on a secret mission. :lol

[Sister Alvear]

Such a lack of respect....

[Evang.Benincasa]

The accusation of Trollster wasn't unwarranted.

The individual uses the nick BRAINWASHED?

Then we receive the "my pastor is in it for the money" Bible study?

Seriously?

So, after I called this person a troll, I then get "what great substance you have to offer?"

You want some substance BW? Here let me help you out. Number one give this thread to your pastor. Let him know that you have taken your show on the road. Have a nice discussion with him, tell him goodbye, and then start your own congregation. Hey, we now know you can do it better than anyone. Because after all these years on these forums I learned that people who start these sorts of threads are experts on how to git'er done. Far be it from me to correct such a scholar from the holler. I bet people just sit like hungry birds with their mouths wide open for you when you are teaching and counseling people out in the parking lot. No, you go forward and show this entire thread to your pastor.

Then get some chairs, take your Bible, and show everyone how to do it. ;)

[jediwill83]

*Whistles Aimlessly* Nice weather we are having today.

[Monterrey]

Bart is back!!!!!!

:woot

[mfblume]

Mfblume,

I'm there for personal reasons I can't disclose.

That's fine. But it is best to not disclose your thoughts about the pastor publicly either. Make it about the issue and don't mention who it is who said these things. ...my advice.

[jediwill83]

That's fine. But it is best to not disclose your thoughts about the pastor publicly either. Make it about the issue and don't mention who it is who said these things. ...my advice.


Exactly because the first thing people are going to do when you express views they don't agree with is attack the messenger first so they don't have to discuss the message.

It's the same way with politics and philosophy.

[Evang.Benincasa]

It's just that when people start these threads it seems always to have a pastor hanging at the end of a rope. Swinging slowly back and froth while they hold their discussion. Then you have your UPCI dragged through the street thread. This is where the posters take turns tying the UPCI to the back bumper of their truck. They then drag it around till the meat falls off its bones. Last but not least the Ultra Conservative Old Time Pennycostal thread, where the poster take UC preachers, churches, standards and burn them in effigy. All while they form a dance line behind the god Bacchus.

[jediwill83]

It's just that when people start these threads it seems always to have a pastor hanging at the end of a rope. Swinging slowly back and froth while they hold their discussion. Then you have your UPCI dragged through the street thread. This is where the posters take turns tying the UPCI to the back bumper of their truck. They then drag it around till the meat falls off its bones. Last but not least the Ultra Conservative Old Time Pennycostal thread, where the poster take UC preachers, churches, standards and burn them in effigy. All while they form a dance line behind the god Bacchus.


Dude I totally get that.

I also get how frustrating it is to believe everything you are told and then find out that they were wrong about things.

It's a horrible letdown.

Yes yes I know it's our fault for putting a man on a pedestal....But we didn't do that did we?

In many cases the man was already on the pedestal when we showed up and we didn't know any different so we just fell in line like everybody else.

We searched through scripture not trying to disprove a pastor out of carnality but because we were trying to understand and then we discovered something called context.

We keep digging because we have been told that we have truth so what is there to fear?

So there is some anger and confusion...You begin to wonder if anyone else knows...Will you be targeted if you speak up?

I didn't have one of those nice touchy feely pastors...I had a hardcore ex town drunk...The kind of guy you were afraid of for good reason...So you just kept your mouth shut out of fear.

Is he coming across kinda rough? Maybe a bit.

So here's my advice to the OP.

I'm sure your pastor is preaching what he believes and what he was taught with no ulterior motives. Maybe or maybe not but that's what I'm choosing to believe.

The Bible has a TON of different things and very few people agree 100% on them.

Be mature and see it as one of those things.

Pray that God will speak to him about what you are seeing.

Don't cause discord or try to recruit people on a "anti pastor crusade" because I guarantee you that if they up and leave and follow you they will leave you just as quick over something THEY don't agree with you about.

Don't just take things at face value....Study them for yourself.

You are not a hammer...Everything that pops its head up doesn't need to be wacked.

Instead of getting worked up over things such as tithing why don't you work on obeying the things that ARE clearly spelled out for believers to be doing.

Heal the sick,raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out devil's.

That's way more fun and productive than debating about tithing.

No one will ever come to the knowledge of the saving,healing delivering power of Christ by debating church policy.

Ultimately it's a distraction...If the enemy can get you focused on this instead of obeying Christ, he has you beat because no matter how well you can argue against tithes if you aren't obeying Christ you are in disobedience and in sin which means the enemy has taken you out of play.

I'm not being harsh or hateful bro and neither are the above posters. We don't agree on everything...We just want to help and we want you to be fighting the right enemy and the right enemy isn't your pastor...Our enemy is not flesh and blood....

[BrainWashed]

Then why complain about a sermon?

Are you an elder in your congregation? Did you speak to an elder about the sermon? Did you speak to the pastor about the sermon?

I've spoken to the pastor who always dances around my questions. I have never been able to receive a direct answer, just as nobody here yet addressed my post.

[BrainWashed]

Such a lack of respect....

Oh spare me......What about a lack of respect for using the word of God to enforce something that's no longer valid?

What happened to Paul's comment in 2 Corinth 9:7-(AMP)
Let each one give [thoughtfully and with purpose] just as he has decided in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver [and delights in the one whose heart is in his gift].



Where in this scripture is Paul commanding tithing for the New Testament church?

Can you answer that?

[BrainWashed]

Oh but of course, how convenient that you are in the congregation on a secret mission. :lol

Evan Ben,

How about you address my comments. I would love to read your explanation.

[BrainWashed]

The accusation of Trollster wasn't unwarranted.

The individual uses the nick BRAINWASHED?

Then we receive the "my pastor is in it for the money" Bible study?

Seriously?

So, after I called this person a troll, I then get "what great substance you have to offer?"

You want some substance BW? Here let me help you out. Number one give this thread to your pastor. Let him know that you have taken your show on the road. Have a nice discussion with him, tell him goodbye, and then start your own congregation. Hey, we now know you can do it better than anyone. Because after all these years on these forums I learned that people who start these sorts of threads are experts on how to git'er done. Far be it from me to correct such a scholar from the holler. I bet people just sit like hungry birds with their mouths wide open for you when you are teaching and counseling people out in the parking lot. No, you go forward and show this entire thread to your pastor.

Then get some chairs, take your Bible, and show everyone how to do it. ;)


I've discussed it with him. The answers are "I'll get back to you" and he never does.

If I teach something over the pulpit, I'm prepared to give you answer backed by scripture any day you want and twice on Tuesday. Too bad there aren't more people like me.

[BrainWashed]

It's just that when people start these threads it seems always to have a pastor hanging at the end of a rope.

Simple logic.....Perhaps it's because a pastor always preaches on the subject?

Again, if you preach something behind a pulpit, you better have scripture to back up your sermon. Don't use scriptures out of context. Doing to only shows your lack of knowledge and understanding.

[BrainWashed]

Dude I totally get that.

I also get how frustrating it is to believe everything you are told and then find out that they were wrong about things.

It's a horrible letdown.

Yes yes I know it's our fault for putting a man on a pedestal....But we didn't do that did we?

In many cases the man was already on the pedestal when we showed up and we didn't know any different so we just fell in line like everybody else.

We searched through scripture not trying to disprove a pastor out of carnality but because we were trying to understand and then we discovered something called context.

We keep digging because we have been told that we have truth so what is there to fear?

So there is some anger and confusion...You begin to wonder if anyone else knows...Will you be targeted if you speak up?

I didn't have one of those nice touchy feely pastors...I had a hardcore ex town drunk...The kind of guy you were afraid of for good reason...So you just kept your mouth shut out of fear.

Is he coming across kinda rough? Maybe a bit.

So here's my advice to the OP.

I'm sure your pastor is preaching what he believes and what he was taught with no ulterior motives. Maybe or maybe not but that's what I'm choosing to believe.

The Bible has a TON of different things and very few people agree 100% on them.

Be mature and see it as one of those things.

Pray that God will speak to him about what you are seeing.

Don't cause discord or try to recruit people on a "anti pastor crusade" because I guarantee you that if they up and leave and follow you they will leave you just as quick over something THEY don't agree with you about.

Don't just take things at face value....Study them for yourself.

You are not a hammer...Everything that pops its head up doesn't need to be wacked.

Instead of getting worked up over things such as tithing why don't you work on obeying the things that ARE clearly spelled out for believers to be doing.

Heal the sick,raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out devil's.

That's way more fun and productive than debating about tithing.

No one will ever come to the knowledge of the saving,healing delivering power of Christ by debating church policy.

Ultimately it's a distraction...If the enemy can get you focused on this instead of obeying Christ, he has you beat because no matter how well you can argue against tithes if you aren't obeying Christ you are in disobedience and in sin which means the enemy has taken you out of play.

I'm not being harsh or hateful bro and neither are the above posters. We don't agree on everything...We just want to help and we want you to be fighting the right enemy and the right enemy isn't your pastor...Our enemy is not flesh and blood....



Jedi,

I was just irritated a little because I've been waiting 5 months now for answers to my tithing questions, and every time I receive the same answer..."I'll get them for you." Yet, after 5 months, you get up and preach a sermon on tithing and have yet to address my questions. I'm sure that would irritate anyone.

[Amanah]

BW, check out this thread

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=12984

[Evang.Benincasa]

Evan Ben,

How about you address my comments. I would love to read your explanation.

No you wouldn't love to read anything which contradicts you.

You just need to do as you have done your whole life.

Think your important, hope other people think your important.

Christianity isn't your cup of tea?

Ok, it isn't a cup of tea for a lot of people. But instead of of leaving it and making up their own religion, they become obnoxious. they stay in Christianity and annoy everyone around them. The first guy to get a busted lip is the man in the pulpit. If he ever turned around on the platform everyone could get a good look at the daggers sticking out of his back. We always get to read the threads about "My Pastor lights his cigars with my tithe dollar" But we never get to hear the pastor's side of the story? Listen, be a good chap, and get your pastor over here. I want to hear what he has to say, I want to hear his views on his preaching. I'm just getting one side of the story from you.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Jedi,

I was just irritated a little because I've been waiting 5 months now for answers to my tithing questions, and every time I receive the same answer..."I'll get them for you." Yet, after 5 months, you get up and preach a sermon on tithing and have yet to address my questions. I'm sure that would irritate anyone.

You're irritated?

5 month wait to get an answer?

Preached from the pulpit?

Seriously!

Hoss, I do believe tithing is the least of the issues.

Listen, you want the pastor to respond to you? Just show him this thread.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I've discussed it with him. The answers are "I'll get back to you" and he never does.

If I teach something over the pulpit, I'm prepared to give you answer backed by scripture any day you want and twice on Tuesday. Too bad there aren't more people like me.

I rest my case. :lol

[The Lemon]

Bottom line:

It does NOT matter what the topic is - Tithing, Standards, Attendance, or a any of hundreds of different doctrinal subjects - two things you must answer for yourself:

1. Am I in the perfect will of God attending this Church under the current leadership

2. If the answer is yes - then you MUST obey and submit to authority, EVEN if they are wrong on a subject - you are not called to correct the pastor, and certainly not to cause division in that local body.

If you have an issue - take it to him/them in a respectful and humble way - in the meantime, while you wait for answers, submit and cooperate - if you rebel, God will not bless that...period!

Of course, if you just can't deal with it, find another Church / leader that you can submit to and serve under. You will never agree on every practice or doctrine, but God blesses order and structure - He is a God of principles and patterns.

[consapente89]

Bottom line:

It does NOT matter what the topic is - Tithing, Standards, Attendance, or a any of hundreds of different doctrinal subjects - two things you must answer for yourself:

1. Am I in the perfect will of God attending this Church under the current leadership

2. If the answer is yes - then you MUST obey and submit to authority, EVEN if they are wrong on a subject - you are not called to correct the pastor, and certainly not to cause division in that local body.

If you have an issue - take it to him/them in a respectful and humble way - in the meantime, while you wait for answers, submit and cooperate - if you rebel, God will not bless that...period!

Of course, if you just can't deal with it, find another Church / leader that you can submit to and serve under. You will never agree on every practice or doctrine, but God blesses order and structure - He is a God of principles and patterns.

:thumbsup

[consapente89]

To the OP....I'm not sure if you attend my church or not, but if you do...I'm sure you would feel much more comfortable at the church across town. Ya need a letter to take with ya?!

[BrainWashed]

BW, check out this thread

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=12984

I wonder is that person is still around?

[BrainWashed]

Interesting. Most ministers tend to stick together and when questioned, they cower.

Your comments are typical.

How about you take one for the team and answer a few of my questions?




No you wouldn't love to read anything which contradicts you.

You just need to do as you have done your whole life.

Think your important, hope other people think your important.

Christianity isn't your cup of tea?

Ok, it isn't a cup of tea for a lot of people. But instead of of leaving it and making up their own religion, they become obnoxious. they stay in Christianity and annoy everyone around them. The first guy to get a busted lip is the man in the pulpit. If he ever turned around on the platform everyone could get a good look at the daggers sticking out of his back. We always get to read the threads about "My Pastor lights his cigars with my tithe dollar" But we never get to hear the pastor's side of the story? Listen, be a good chap, and get your pastor over here. I want to hear what he has to say, I want to hear his views on his preaching. I'm just getting one side of the story from you.

[BrainWashed]

To the OP....I'm not sure if you attend my church or not, but if you do...I'm sure you would feel much more comfortable at the church across town. Ya need a letter to take with ya?!

Why would I require a letter?

[Amanah]

Interesting. Most ministers tend to stick together and when questioned, they cower.

Your comments are typical.

How about you take one for the team and answer a few of my questions?

Create a new post in the forum under
Forum AFF -> The Sanctuary -> Deep Waters

Ask your questions in a sincere manner without bashing anyone and you will likely get answers

[Michael The Disciple]

No one who teaches we are not under the law of Moses can teach tithing. If tithing is for us why not the Sabbath?

[Michael The Disciple]

Paul was very clear on this matter when he met together with the Elders of the Church at Ephesus.

Pay close attention to the words in bold.

Acts 20:32-35

32And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified. 33I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel. 34Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me. 35I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

It was the PERFECT situation for todays Tithing Preachers. They would have taught the Elders....Make sure you teach the people to tithe.

Instead Paul charges them something that would offend most Preachers today.

GET A JOB. WORK WITH YOUR OWN HANDS.

Not a word about tithing.

There IS teaching about giving to the ministry in the New Testament. It is a very good thing. However those that require strict tithing as certainly off base.

[Esaias]

Yesterday I endured a sermon my pastor taught regarding tithing.

We all know the Israelites tithed of their personal possessions. Therefore, I can’t comprehend how he utilized Abram’s tithe to reinforce tithing.

We know that Abram kept nothing he acquired from the spoils of war.

Genesis 14:24 clearly indicates:
“I will accept nothing but what my men have eaten and the share that belongs to the men who went with me--to Aner, Eshkol and Mamre. Let them have their share."

You don’t need a theology degree to conclude that Abram didn’t keep anything for himself. Therefore, Abram couldn't have tithed from his personal possession as the Israelites were instructed.

Utilizing Abram's tithing example to reinforce New Testament tithing is stupid at best. According to Abram’s example, modern day preaching suggests that if I burglarize a few homes, I must tithe 10% of the stolen goods.

My pastor then said, “Abram must have acquired this practice from God, where else would he get it from”

Uhhhhh……Try reading up on the Arabic War Customs. It was a tradition that the victor tithed 10% of the spoils of war to the neighboring king.

My pastor then utilized Genesis 28:22 to reinforce modern day tithing because of Jacob's tithe:
“and[g] this stone that I have set up as a pillar will be God’s house, and of all that you give me I will give you a tenth.”


However, my pastor failed to mention the proceeding scriptures to Genesis 28:22. My pastor states that Jacob knew the mandate of tithing and we should too.

Let me inject something here. Jacob was a descendant of Abram, correct? Abram was Isaac’s father, and Isaac was Jacob’s father. Well, if Abram was aware of pre-Mosaic tithing, wouldn’t Abram have instilled this practice into Isaac, and Isaac into Jacob?

Let’s look at the scripture my pastor skipped. Genesis 28:20-22

20) Then Jacob made a vow, saying, “If God will be with me and will watch over me on this journey I am taking and will give me food to eat and clothes to wear
21) so that I return safely to my father’s household, then the LORD[f] will be my God
22 and[g] this stone that I have set up as a pillar will be God’s house, and of all that you give me I will give you a tenth.”


Well well…. Would you look at that? Jacob made vow! Jacob bargained with God about tithing. Notice Jacob telling God, basically, if you bless me, then I’ll give you a tenth.


The interesting part is that god accepted Jacob’s terms. Here are a few comments to ponder.

1)If tithing were pre-mosaic, Jacob would have never bargained about tithing with God.
2)God accepted Jacob’s terms, yet we read that God was mad at the Israelites in Malachi 3:8 for robbing god in tithes and offerings?
3)So you’re saying God was okay with Jacob robbing Him of tithes and even allowed Jacob to tithe according to Jacob’s terms? Not only did God agree to Jacob's terms, but god blessed Jacob too. So we read that God condemned the Israelites in Malachi 3:8 for robbing Him of tithes, but he was okay with Jacob doing it?
5)Why didn’t he condemn Jacob as he condemned the Israelites in Malachi?

Someone please enlighten me regarding the two situations above. If you can't comment anything interesting about to two situations I posted above, or if you can't answer my questions, perform a study and then respond to my comments. I'm getting tired of listening to robots.

1.Jacob made a vow. Vows were common then and 10% was a good round number to use.

2. Tithing had been commanded under the Law, therefore failure to do so was robbing God.

Differences? Jacob was not under a covenant that required tithing, the Levites were.

Now, go be a blessing to your pastor.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Interesting. Most ministers tend to stick together and when questioned, they cower.

Tend to stick together? Ask a question and they cower?

Ask a question and they cower? Hmm, is the interpretation of that sentence...COME AT ME BRO!

No, you are the pastor, you are the leader, you are the butcher, the baker, and the candlestick maker. I already gave you the answer, go get some folding chairs, take your Bible and move across town. Show everyone how it's supposed to be done. Listen, you don't want answers, and I'll take a good guess your pastor already knew you didn't want an answer. Also, did you share your revelations with everyone else in your church? Did you have some telephone Bible studies, go out to the restaurant with some church members and have some boiled pastor over rice? Stick together eh?

No, we all don't always stick together, but we all know how to spot an opportunist trouble maker. Brainwashed? Go start your own thing, and may the Lord bless you with someone just like YOU. :thumbsup


Your comments are typical.

I guess we are even then. Look, this forum is jam packed with "dogpile on the pastor" threads, "Hey, let's impale the UPC" threads, "How to burn a Ultracon with cigarettes" thread. My comments are typical response to your "the pastor won't give me the honor I deserve" comments.


How about you take one for the team and answer a few of my questions?

Generally I would, but I'm getting old, and frankly, these "My Pastor is a Big Jerk" threads actually go nowhere. It is like teaching a pig to sing, it wastes your time, and annoys the pig.

Hey, be honest you didn't ask these questions on a public forum to get answers. Your mind is already made up. Again, show the thread to your pastor. I believe with all my heart that after you sit down with him, and show him this thread on his lap top, all your questions will be answered. :nod

[jediwill83]

You aren't old Benicasa...You just runnin low on bacon :-D

[Evang.Benincasa]

You aren't old Benicasa...You just runnin low on bacon :-D

I need that chicken with bacon suspenders. :)

[jediwill83]

I need that chicken with bacon suspenders. :)

Dude that grilled baoxn with that rub smoked on that grill was insane! I did chicken thighs last night and a chuck roast today on the grill. Chuck roast was like a massive ribeye.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Dude that grilled baoxn with that rub smoked on that grill was insane! I did chicken thighs last night and a chuck roast today on the grill. Chuck roast was like a massive ribeye.

Smoked and with BACON?

[jediwill83]

Nay my liege...My bacon stores were barren.

[Esaias]

Chuck roast was like a massive ribeye.

YES! That's why I usually buy chuck roast instead of rib eye, you get a rib eye that's like three or four times as big!

Tell me you cooked it rare. Nice slightly seared outside, fat blackened just right, and JUICY JUICY JUICY inside... right?

[jediwill83]

YES! That's why I usually buy chuck roast instead of rib eye, you get a rib eye that's like three or four times as big!

Tell me you cooked it rare. Nice slightly seared outside, fat blackened just right, and JUICY JUICY JUICY inside... right?


Seared and rubbed down with spice rub grilled to rare on indirect charcoal smoked with pecan wood. Juicy n tender.

[Evang.Benincasa]

YES! That's why I usually buy chuck roast instead of rib eye, you get a rib eye that's like three or four times as big!

Tell me you cooked it rare. Nice slightly seared outside, fat blackened just right, and JUICY JUICY JUICY inside... right?

Why chuck roast?

[Evang.Benincasa]

YES! That's why I usually buy chuck roast instead of rib eye, you get a rib eye that's like three or four times as big!

Tell me you cooked it rare. Nice slightly seared outside, fat blackened just right, and JUICY JUICY JUICY inside... right?

Please explain?

[KeptByTheWord]

How could I have known that a thread about tithing would evolve into a wonderful discussion on amazing food? Lol! Only on AFF!

[Esaias]

Please explain?

Take a four pound chuck roast, slice it so you get two roasts (same length as original), marinate them, grill them over pecan wood to rare, and you get two 32 oz steaks as good as ribeyes.

[Praxeas]

Abraham tithed on the spoils of war.

[Praxeas]

Paul was very clear on this matter when he met together with the Elders of the Church at Ephesus.

Pay close attention to the words in bold.

Acts 20:32-35

32And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified. 33I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel. 34Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me. 35I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

It was the PERFECT situation for todays Tithing Preachers. They would have taught the Elders....Make sure you teach the people to tithe.

Instead Paul charges them something that would offend most Preachers today.

GET A JOB. WORK WITH YOUR OWN HANDS.

Not a word about tithing.

There IS teaching about giving to the ministry in the New Testament. It is a very good thing. However those that require strict tithing as certainly off base.
Many Pastors do work when their congregations are small and poor as Paul did.

2Co 11:8 I robbed other churches by accepting support from them for the ministry to you.

1Co 9:13 Do you not know that those performing the holy services eat the things from the temple, and those attending to the altar have a share with the altar?
1Co 9:14 In the same way also the Lord ordered those who proclaim the gospel to live from the gospel.

[BrainWashed]

Abraham tithed on the spoils of war.

Due to the Arab War Custom?

[Originalist]

Oh spare me......What about a lack of respect for using the word of God to enforce something that's no longer valid?

What happened to Paul's comment in 2 Corinth 9:7-(AMP)
Let each one give [thoughtfully and with purpose] just as he has decided in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver [and delights in the one whose heart is in his gift].



Where in this scripture is Paul commanding tithing for the New Testament church?

Can you answer that?

I agree.

[jediwill83]

It is IMPOSSIBLE to give out of ones free will without being under compulsion with the threat of curses and hell when it's preached that is what the consequences.

So what we have is people giving out of fear and not out of joy.

Tell me, would you pay your income taxes if there was no penalties?

Only after I broke out of that mindset of fear was I able to give truly because I wanted to and not because I was scared of consequences.

We have preached this fear doctrine and we have become like battered abused wives scared of the consequences if supper isn't on the table exactly at 5pm and we have turned God into an abusive spouse ready to show us the back of His hand if He is not pleased.

That's not love and that's not my God.

[Rudy]

My goodness this tithing of filthy lucre sure does spark debate!!

[jediwill83]

It's the same mindset of,"I don't sin because I don't want to go to hell."

Fear
Fear
Fear

I am not bound by sin because I'm a new and living creature in Christ Jesus and because I want to please Him not because I am scared of Him.

I didn't turn to Him because I desired to be in a abusive relationship.

[aegsm76]

It is IMPOSSIBLE to give out of ones free will without being under compulsion with the threat of curses and hell when it's preached that is what the consequences.

So what we have is people giving out of fear and not out of joy.

Tell me, would you pay your income taxes if there was no penalties?

Only after I broke out of that mindset of fear was I able to give truly because I wanted to and not because I was scared of consequences.

We have preached this fear doctrine and we have become like battered abused wives scared of the consequences if supper isn't on the table exactly at 5pm and we have turned God into an abusive spouse ready to show us the back of His hand if He is not pleased.

That's not love and that's not my God.

I agree with your overall principle.
I have been in churches that preached many different ways about tithing.
The ones that preach the 10 & 5 (tithes and offering) always are in more financial trouble than the ones who rarely even touch on tithes.
And those who rarely touched on it were also the ones that would take up large offerings whenever a need arose.

[jediwill83]

If we preach tithes are mandatory we must also follow the rules for who and what the tithes are for and what is supposed to be used as tithes and what is considered increase.

Not just "10% of all your money that comes in".

[jediwill83]

Am I against tithing and giving? Heck no! I'm against being put in a headlock over it!

[Rudy]

If we preach tithes are mandatory we must also follow the rules for who and what the tithes are for and what is supposed to be used as tithes and what is considered increase.

Not just "10% of all your money that comes in".

If preaching tithes from the law one is going to have to change from money to food items.

[Michael The Disciple]

Many Pastors do work when their congregations are small and poor as Paul did.

2Co 11:8 I robbed other churches by accepting support from them for the ministry to you.

1Co 9:13 Do you not know that those performing the holy services eat the things from the temple, and those attending to the altar have a share with the altar?
1Co 9:14 In the same way also the Lord ordered those who proclaim the gospel to live from the gospel.

Its not about how big the congregations are. The Church at Ephesus consisted of many people by the time Acts 20 took place. And still Paul did not teach the Elders to collect tithes of them.

Anyone no doubt could have and should have been giving offerings to ministry or to others during that time.

[Michael The Disciple]

1Co 9:13 Do you not know that those performing the holy services eat the things from the temple, and those attending to the altar have a share with the altar?
1Co 9:14 In the same way also the Lord ordered those who proclaim the gospel to live from the gospel.

In this context I think the following applies.

6Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things. Galatians 6:6

Nothing there about tithing. Giving is expected no doubt.

[jediwill83]

Forced tithing under threat of judgement, curses and or damnation make it IMPOSSIBLE to give freely and give cheerfully.

I don't believe in Mafia Jesus collecting protection money.

[consapente89]

Forced tithing under threat of judgement, curses and or damnation make it IMPOSSIBLE to give freely and give cheerfully.

I don't believe in Mafia Jesus collecting protection money.

When I was baptized in Jesus name there was a fear of Hell that motivated me to do it… I suppose you could say a threat of damnation. Yet it wasn't a burden to be obedient, it was a privilege to take on his name. Anyone should fear Hell as a consequence of disobedience, but that doesn't mean that obedience has to be a burden.

The Bible is full of "Heaven and He'll issues", tithing being one of them, but that shouldn't diminish the joy of being faithful to God.

[n david]

Forced tithing under threat of judgement, curses and or damnation make it IMPOSSIBLE to give freely and give cheerfully.

I don't believe in Mafia Jesus collecting protection money.
:thumbsup AMEN!

[jediwill83]

When I was baptized in Jesus name there was a fear of Hell that motivated me to do it… I suppose you could say a threat of damnation. Yet it wasn't a burden to be obedient, it was a privilege to take on his name. Anyone should fear Hell as a consequence of disobedience, but that doesn't mean that obedience has to be a burden.

The Bible is full of "Heaven and He'll issues", tithing being one of them, but that shouldn't diminish the joy of being faithful to God.


I don't fear Hell. I fear disappointing the one I love and who loves me.

That look of disappointment on His face will torture me more than hellfire ever could.

[n david]

When I was baptized in Jesus name there was a fear of Hell that motivated me to do it… I suppose you could say a threat of damnation. Yet it wasn't a burden to be obedient, it was a privilege to take on his name. Anyone should fear Hell as a consequence of disobedience, but that doesn't mean that obedience has to be a burden.

The Bible is full of "Heaven and He'll issues", tithing being one of them, but that shouldn't diminish the joy of being faithful to God.
Please post the verse which states if one does not tithe, they will go to hell. Thank you.

[BrainWashed]

I don't want to be misunderstood.

I know they're bills due and they must be paid, and I don't have a problem contributing.

I've heard it time after time, pay your tithes and God will bless you financially!

I've then seen these tithe payers begin to struggle financially and end up filing bankruptcy. I've witnessed it with my own eyes!

That's a good way of putting people at odds with god. I'm sure the thought crossed their mind of, "I paid my tithes and god didn't rescue me from bankruptcy."

You put god in a position He shouldn't be put in when you preach "tithe and you'll be blessed financially."

[jediwill83]

God never commanded us to build buildings that were money siphons...but feel free to ignore that bit of common sense....

[Rudy]

I don't know anyone who is paying tithes according to the law.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Take a four pound chuck roast, slice it so you get two roasts (same length as original), marinate them, grill them over pecan wood to rare, and you get two 32 oz steaks as good as ribeyes.

Which way do I slice the roast?

How long do I cook them?

[Evang.Benincasa]

My goodness this tithing of filthy lucre sure does spark debate!!

No it doesn't.

Politics and Eschatology.

Tithing doesn't get as nearly as hot as those two topics.

[Evang.Benincasa]

If preaching tithes from the law one is going to have to change from money to food items.

Don't muzzle the ox that treads the corn.

So, if your preacher is treading your corn share that corn with the preacher.

Galatians 6:6

[Esaias]

Which way do I slice the roast?

How long do I cook them?

Lay the roast on a block. Slice horizontally so you get two roasts, same length, half the thickness.

I've also just marinated a whole roast and grilled it like a giant steak, too. :)

Cooking time: Not sure, have to watch it. I like mine rare, so I sear it over flames, flipping it a couple times, then move it to the side, close the lid, and smoke it for a bit, checking on it every ten minutes or so. Once the fat is rendered and it looks like a nice, rare steak, it should be ready. When you cook beef rare it doesn't take too long, just cook it how you like it. You could even cook it well done (why??), and it should stay tender if you marinated and brushed it while cooking.

Don't leave it in too long though or it will dry out and get tuff. Winds up more like brisket then.

[Evang.Benincasa]

When I was baptized in Jesus name there was a fear of Hell that motivated me to do it… I suppose you could say a threat of damnation. Yet it wasn't a burden to be obedient, it was a privilege to take on his name. Anyone should fear Hell as a consequence of disobedience, but that doesn't mean that obedience has to be a burden.

The Bible is full of "Heaven and He'll issues", tithing being one of them, but that shouldn't diminish the joy of being faithful to God.

:highfive

[Esaias]

BTW, I use pecan firewood, not charcoal.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Lay the roast on a block. Slice horizontally so you get two roasts, same length, half the thickness.

I've also just marinated a whole roast and grilled it like a giant steak, too. :)

Cooking time: Not sure, have to watch it. I like mine rare, so I sear it over flames, flipping it a couple times, then move it to the side, close the lid, and smoke it for a bit, checking on it every ten minutes or so. Once the fat is rendered and it looks like a nice, rare steak, it should be ready. When you cook beef rare it doesn't take too long, just cook it how you like it. You could even cook it well done (why??), and it should stay tender if you marinated and brushed it while cooking.

Don't leave it in too long though or it will dry out and get tuff. Winds up more like brisket then.

No, I hate well done. I like medium rare.

I stand over my food and that's why the church family loves my steaks. But I'm not too clear on the roast slicing. I need to buy one tonight and figure this out. Also I don't have a barbeque, but cook everything in cast iron. I need to figure out how long this will taste. I hate chewy meat, it has to melt like butter. :)

[Evang.Benincasa]

BTW, I use pecan firewood, not charcoal.

No barbeque, only cast iron.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I don't know anyone who is paying tithes according to the law.

Neither do I, and also neither did the Apostle Paul.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I don't want to be misunderstood.

Oh no, why would any of us think such a thing about you?

Especially since you have the nickname BRAINWASHED!

Give me a break.


I know they're bills due and they must be paid, and I don't have a problem contributing.

Seriously, keep your money.


I've heard it time after time, pay your tithes and God will bless you financially!

So if a guy (or gal) is smoking heroine and they give 50 dollars they get blessed? The widow who gave the mite was blessed because of a heart focus, not because she was practicing magic.


I've then seen these tithe payers begin to struggle financially and end up filing bankruptcy. I've witnessed it with my own eyes!

I knew it! How do you people always end up with these horror stories and relate it to the people giving offerings? Couldn't be blamed on the person and their own life situations? This is on the same page as the people who don't seek medical help for their infant and pray and fast but the child dies. Therefore miraculous healings don't exist???

Well, I don't know of one case personally of anyone losing a home because they gave to their church family.

Hey BW, when are you starting a church?


That's a good way of putting people at odds with god. I'm sure the thought crossed their mind of, "I paid my tithes and god didn't rescue me from bankruptcy."

"I prayed for my infant son who had a burning fever and he died, and God didn't rescue him?"

How old are you BW?


You put god in a position He shouldn't be put in when you preach "tithe and you'll be blessed financially."

The Apostle Paul actually taught in 1st Corinthians 9 that ministry shouldn't ask for anything, teach about giving, but no coercion. Paul told the cheapskates in Corinth that he wouldn't have them make his glorying vain 1 Corinthians 9:15.

[Esaias]

No barbeque, only cast iron.

On a stove? You need a pit or bbq grill. I suppose you could do it in a skillet but seriously, God intended meat to be cooked over a flame.

The brass altar was a bbq grill. :heeheehee

[Evang.Benincasa]

On a stove? You need a pit or bbq grill. I suppose you could do it in a skillet but seriously, God intended meat to be cooked over a flame.

The brass altar was a bbq grill. :heeheehee

I'm done with dragging the BBQ out after I'm finished with the day and ready to cook. My wife and daughters built a huge fire pit in the backyard. They had an inferno going one day to cook s'mores. The smoke rose up like a Biblical pillar of smoke of torment. The neighbors called the fire department. Sister Benincasa went out to the front of the house to tell them all was well. They freaked out but in her wonderful gentle way she offered them some dripping chocolate marshmallow graham crackers. They weren't impressed. My oldest daughter called me and told me I needed to get back to the house ASAP.

[jediwill83]

I'm getting taxes back soon and I'm "tithing" by grilling and smoking a huge pork roast and making all the fixings n desert.

[jediwill83]

I'm done with dragging the BBQ out after I'm finished with the day and ready to cook. My wife and daughters built a huge fire pit in the backyard. They had an inferno going one day to cook s'mores. The smoke rose up like a Biblical pillar of smoke of torment. The neighbors called the fire department. Sister Benincasa went out to the front of the house to tell them all was well. They freaked out but in her wonderful gentle way she offered them some dripping chocolate marshmallow graham crackers. They weren't impressed. My oldest daughter called me and told me I needed to get back to the house ASAP.


Spoilsports....They weren't real firefighters if they turned up their noses at freshly made snores.

They were probably more upset at the stupid neighbor.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I'm getting taxes back soon and I'm "tithing" by grilling and smoking a huge pork roast and making all the fixings n desert.

Your pastor pays the light bill with food?

How does one get a pork roast in that little envelope to Entergy Louisiana?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Spoilsports....They weren't real firefighters if they turned up their noses at freshly made snores.

They were probably more upset at the stupid neighbor.

The neighbor was outside looking like this... https://media.tenor.co/images/c4ed89424696a9caaa31e9e65e5dcc7d/tenor.gif

[Esaias]

ROFL

[jediwill83]

The pastor I am under has his own construction business in addition to pastoring.

The effort and time and money I am putting into making all this will well exceed 10% .

It's what was laid on my heart and it's what I'm going to do. I'm going to bless the man of God and his family with the works of my hands.

Keep in mind that I don't even have a job at the moment dude and I have a wife and kid and possibly another kid on the way.

He ain't strugglin to keep the lights on.

Now when you become my pastor Ill just give you money and keep my cooking to myself.

I would have made you a 🍌 pudding but nooooo! Lol

[jediwill83]

The neighbor was outside looking like this... :-phttps://media.tenor.co/images/c4ed89424696a9caaa31e9e65e5dcc7d/tenor.gif :-D

[Evang.Benincasa]

The pastor I am under has his own construction business in addition to pastoring.

The effort and time and money I am putting into making all this will well exceed 10% .

It's what was laid on my heart and it's what I'm going to do. I'm going to bless the man of God and his family with the works of my hands.

Keep in mind that I don't even have a job at the moment dude and I have a wife and kid and possibly another kid on the way.

He ain't strugglin to keep the lights on.

Now when you become my pastor Ill just give you money and keep my cooking to myself.

I would have made you a 🍌 pudding but nooooo! Lol

Bro, believe me, God provides. Whether you are a full time evangelist, a young couple starting a home mission, or a cook who makes an awesome Hawaiian pizza with chunks (I do mean CHUNKS) of pineapples and smoke ham.

Banana pudding?

You know how to make banana pudding? I love banana pudding.
How about RED VELVET CAKE!!!! :yahoo

[Evang.Benincasa]

:-D

Sister Benincasa just walked up to the neighbor and did this....

http://www.sharegif.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/When-guys-expect-girls-to-be-impressed-by-them-for-being-willing-to-date-plus-size-girls-as-though-it%E2%80%99s-some-huge-sacrifice-or-something.gif

J/K :heeheehee

[jediwill83]

I'll do you one better. Kat makes a angel food cake that's out of this world. That banana pudding I make is super rich.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I'll do you one better. Kat makes a angel food cake that's out of this world. That banana pudding I make is super rich.

Super rich banana pudding?

That sounds awfully good!

[jediwill83]

Super rich banana pudding?

That sounds awfully good!


It ain't healthy lol cream cheese and eagle brand condensed milk along with cool whip and vanilla pudding

[Evang.Benincasa]

It ain't healthy lol cream cheese and eagle brand condensed milk along with cool whip and vanilla pudding

Cream Cheese in Banana pudding?

With condensed milk?

Very interesting..

[jediwill83]

Cream Cheese in Banana pudding?

With condensed milk?

Very interesting..

It balance out the sweetness.

[Evang.Benincasa]

It balance out the sweetness.

In that case put some bacon grease in it. :yahoo

[Esaias]

In that case put some bacon grease in it. :yahoo

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_liq2za5ikF1qccyc5o1_500.gif

[Jito463]

You people have it all wrong, my world-famous (or it could be, anyway) Coca-Cola cake is where it's truly at.

[Esaias]

You people have it all wrong, my world-famous (or it could be, anyway) Coca-Cola cake is where it's truly at.

I've heard of using Coca-Cola in baking recipes in lieu of other leavenings.

And the recipe is...?

[jediwill83]

Beetus

[Evang.Benincasa]

You people have it all wrong, my world-famous (or it could be, anyway) Coca-Cola cake is where it's truly at.

We have a dish called Coca-Cola chicken, but cake?

Please explain

[Jito463]

We have a dish called Coca-Cola chicken, but cake?

Please explain

Essentially, it's a chocolate cake with Coca-Cola in it (a local restaurant called Fireworks makes a cola cake, but they use the inferior Pepsi in it :heeheehee ). I thought I'd posted the recipe once before, but I can't find it right now. I'll post it when I get home tonight.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Essentially, it's a chocolate cake with Coca-Cola in it (a local restaurant called Fireworks makes a cola cake, but they use the inferior Pepsi in it :heeheehee ). I thought I'd posted the recipe once before, but I can't find it right now. I'll post it when I get home tonight.

Post that recipe, please.

Pepsi?

I thought they went out of business?

[Rudy]

Don't muzzle the ox that treads the corn.

So, if your preacher is treading your corn share that corn with the preacher.

Galatians 6:6


What was the ox grinding Benny? I can give food items and be in the proper context. BUT, I give filthy lucre instead.

[mfblume]

What was the ox grinding Benny? I can give food items and be in the proper context. BUT, I give filthy lucre instead.

It depends upon culture.

...(people get touchy when it comes to money, phew!!)

I give tithes and have never worried about whether or not it was crops from the land instead of cash. lol

God loves a cheerful giver, no matter what the percentage is or even if it's done or not done in percentages.

[Evang.Benincasa]

What was the ox grinding Benny? I can give food items and be in the proper context. BUT, I give filthy lucre instead.

You would not be giving food, you would be giving wheat kernels. You would then take your pastor and tie him up to an apparatus used to grind wheat kernels to meal. You would also make sure that your pastor could graze as he turned the grinding wheel. So, let move up the chapter and see how really stupid this can get. 1 Corinthians 9:7 states does a soldier ever serve in the army at his own expense? Does anyone plant a vineyard and not eat the grapes? Does anyone take care of a flock and not drink milk from the sheep?

So, let's see, grapes, milk produced from YOUR females, and what? Expenses earned from battle? OK, so we have grapes, colostrum, wheat kernels and military pay.

Do you give any of the above?

[Rudy]

You would not be giving food, you would be giving wheat kernels. You would then take your pastor and tie him up to an apparatus used to grind wheat kernels to meal. You would also make sure that your pastor could graze as he turned the grinding wheel. So, let move up the chapter and see how really stupid this can get. 1 Corinthians 9:7 states does a soldier ever serve in the army at his own expense? Does anyone plant a vineyard and not eat the grapes? Does anyone take care of a flock and not drink milk from the sheep?

So, let's see, grapes, milk produced from YOUR females, and what? Expenses earned from battle? OK, so we have grapes, colostrum, wheat kernels and military pay.

Do you give any of the above?


There is no I repeat NO command to tithe filthy lucre. There was a time pastors were glad to get food. Now they twist scripture and threatened to get filthy lucre from the people.

Not everyone tithed benny.

[Rudy]

It depends upon culture.

...(people get touchy when it comes to money, phew!!)

I give tithes and have never worried about whether or not it was crops from the land instead of cash. lol

God loves a cheerful giver, no matter what the percentage is or even if it's done or not done in percentages.

Tithing food was a command under the the Law. Not cultural.

[Evang.Benincasa]

There is no I repeat NO command to tithe filthy lucre. There was a time pastors were glad to get food. Now they twist scripture and threatened to get filthy lucre from the people.

Not everyone tithed benny.

Rudy, do you realize that you are currently repeating a mantra?

Rudy, please don't get me wrong. Just take a deep breath.

The above post you are using to reply to me is an emotional statement.

1) you state..NO, no commands to give, and what the preacher is getting is dirty money. Bad, bad, bad minister if he knows that taking money is wrong but does it anyway. Yet, even if the guy doesn't know it is still bad, and it is still dirty money? Religion is so painfully filled with irony.

2) Once upon a time pastor were happy to get groceries? With the reference to time past, should we now accept they are currently not glad?

3) Oh thank God for the group called "THEY"

4) It seems as if this "THEY" group are knowingly twisting scripture to become get dirty money from the people?

Rudy, dirty money is just that, getting money which you don't deserve. It is like people who rip off welfare. They don't get a marriage license so they can rob benefits from local, state, and federal governments. They cheat on taxes, they lie to medicaid, and other social works in order to get more funds. Dirty money or as you so King Jamesly put it "filthy lucre" is taking funds which weren't deserved. Paul said if you don't work you don't eat. But was that meant for all the apostles? No, because there were ministers who gave themselves over to research and study of the word and had deacons to serve tables. Paul didn't make allowances for hunting and golfing to be part of those expenses.

So, did you share your disdain for tithing with other you go to church with?

[Rudy]

Rudy, do you realize that you are currently repeating a mantra?

Rudy, please don't get me wrong. Just take a deep breath.

The above post you are using to reply to me is an emotional statement.

1) you state..NO, no commands to give, and what the preacher is getting is dirty money. Bad, bad, bad minister if he knows that taking money is wrong but does it anyway. Yet, even if the guy doesn't know it is still bad, and it is still dirty money? Religion is so painfully filled with irony.

2) Once upon a time pastor were happy to get groceries? With the reference to time past, should we now accept they are currently not glad?

3) Oh thank God for the group called "THEY"

4) It seems as if this "THEY" group are knowingly twisting scripture to become get dirty money from the people?

Rudy, dirty money is just that, getting money which you don't deserve. It is like people who rip off welfare. They don't get a marriage license so they can rob benefits from local, state, and federal governments. They cheat on taxes, they lie to medicaid, and other social works in order to get more funds. Dirty money or as you so King Jamesly put it "filthy lucre" is taking funds which weren't deserved. Paul said if you don't work you don't eat. But was that meant for all the apostles? No, because there were ministers who gave themselves over to research and study of the word and had deacons to serve tables. Paul didn't make allowances for hunting and golfing to be part of those expenses.

So, did you share your disdain for tithing with other you go to church with?

I'm not against people tithing filthy lucre. I keep it to myself.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Tithing food was a command under the the Law. Not cultural.

Why was Paul teaching Corinthian, and Clossian Greeks to give offerings to the ministers? Paul taught giving to the ministry in 1st Corinthians 9, and while that letter wasn't published by Zondervan yet, Paul taught out of the Torah. Contrary to popular belief Paul didn't use a KJV, he used the LXX Septuagint, and other Hebrew versions of the Old Testament to teach his messages. What he taught was fulfillment of the Law, and how it is fulfilled in the spiritual Israel, with a spiritual ministry, and how that system was to provide for itself. Autonomous from the world around it.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I'm not against people tithing filthy lucre. I keep it to myself.

Oh my. :lol

[Rudy]

Why was Paul teaching Corinthian, and Clossian Greeks to give offerings to the ministers? Paul taught giving to the ministry in 1st Corinthians 9, and while that letter wasn't published by Zondervan yet, Paul taught out of the Torah. Contrary to popular belief Paul didn't use a KJV, he used the LXX Septuagint, and other Hebrew versions of the Old Testament to teach his messages. What he taught was fulfillment of the Law, and how it is fulfilled in the spiritual Israel, with a spiritual ministry, and how that system was to provide for itself. Autonomous from the world around it.

Not against ministers receiving pay.

[Rudy]

Also the rest of I Corinthians: 9 is never quoted by ya'll tithing promoters. Why is that?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Also the rest of I Corinthians: 9 is never quoted by ya'll tithing promoters. Why is that?

That's odd, because it goes from chapters 9-11.
The three chapters deal with ministerial rights.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14

Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings? IN THE SAME WAY, the LORD COMMANDED that those who proclaim the gospel SHOULD GET THEIR LIVING BY THE GOSPEL.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Not against ministers receiving pay.

What does that look like to Mr Rudy?

[Jito463]

Post that recipe, please.

Here's the cake recipe:

Coca-Cola Cake
Ingredients
1 cup Coca-Cola
1/2 cup buttermilk
1 cup butter or margarine, softened
alternately: 1/2 butter, 1/2 vegetable oil
2 cups sugar
2 large eggs, lightly beaten
2 tsp vanilla extract
2 cups all-purpose flour
1/4 cup cocoa
1 tsp baking soda

Preparation
Preheat oven to 350°

Combine Coca-Cola and buttermilk; set aside.

Beat butter at low speed with an electric mixer until creamy. Gradually add sugar; beat until blended. Add egg and vanilla; beat at low speed until blended.

Combine flour, cocoa, and soda. Add to butter mixture alternately with cola mixture; begin and end with flour mixture. Beat at low speed just until blended.

Pour batter into a greased and floured 13- x 9-inch pan. Bake at 350° for 30 to 35 minutes (add another 5 minutes for metal pans). Remove from oven; cool 10 minutes.

If also making frosting, do so now while the cake is still warm.

About the only real deviation I make from this, is that I buy the powdered buttermilk. If I buy the real stuff, I use so little of it and have trouble finding the smaller containers, that at least half of it typically goes to waste. In which case, I add water with the Coca-Cola, and put the powdered buttermilk in with the rest of the dry ingredients.

I have also substituted Root Beer Concentrate for Vanilla Extract. Once I tried Peppermint Extract, but you have to go really easy on the measurements for that. Using equal amounts made it basically a mint cake, you almost couldn't taste anything else.

Regarding that last line, here's the corresponding frosting I make for it. Fair warning, it is VERY rich (of course, it has a full POUND of powdered sugar in it, so DUH! :heeheehee ).

Coca-Cola Cake Frosting
Ingredients

1/2 cup butter or margarine
1/3 cup Coca-Cola
3 tablespoons cocoa
1 tablespoon vanilla extract
1 (16-ounce) package powdered sugar
Garnish: 3/4 cup chopped pecans or walnuts

Preparation
Bring first 4 ingredients to a boil in a large saucepan over medium heat (alternatively, add nuts at this time), stirring until butter melts. Remove from heat; whisk in powdered sugar.

Pour Coca-Cola Frosting over warm cake; garnish, if desired.

Note: Don't make the frosting ahead. You need to pour it over the cake shortly after baking, while it is still warm.

I usually just add the nuts into the saucepan while I'm boiling everything else. I find it's just as easy, and it gets mixed directly into the frosting instead of just sitting on top.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Here's the cake recipe:



About the only real deviation I make from this, is that I buy the powdered buttermilk. If I buy the real stuff, I use so little of it and have trouble finding the smaller containers, that at least half of it typically goes to waste. In which case, I add water with the Coca-Cola, and put the powdered buttermilk in with the rest of the dry ingredients.

I have also substituted Root Beer Concentrate for Vanilla Extract. Once I tried Peppermint Extract, but you have to go really easy on the measurements for that. Using equal amounts made it basically a mint cake, you almost couldn't taste anything else.

Regarding that last line, here's the corresponding frosting I make for it. Fair warning, it is VERY rich (of course, it has a full POUND of powdered sugar in it, so DUH! :heeheehee ).



I usually just add the nuts into the saucepan while I'm boiling everything else. I find it's just as easy, and it gets mixed directly into the frosting instead of just sitting on top.

This is awesome!!!!

I'm going to do this with BANG energy drink!

I'll substitute it for the Coca Cola, where do I get powdered butter milk?


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[Jito463]

This is awesome!!!!

I'm going to do this with BANG energy drink!

I'll substitute it for the Coca Cola, where do I get powdered butter milk?


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DS7UAJ4sNCc/hqdefault.jpg

The AUDACITY! You dare to suggest using something OTHER than Coca-Cola, and then ask ME where to buy something for the cake? HOW DARE YOU, SIR! :heeheehee

I bought mine from a local grocery story. Not sure where you'd get it from where you live.

[Evang.Benincasa]

A pound of powdered sugar? A pound? Why a pound?

[Esaias]

A pound of powdered sugar? A pound? Why a pound?

Because insurance, that's why.

:heeheehee

[Evang.Benincasa]

Because insurance, that's why.

:heeheehee

Why, please give more details?

[Esaias]

Why, please give more details?

If you got insurance, who cares about diabeetus?

:happydance

Seriously though, I wonder if that icing could use some cream cheese.

[Evang.Benincasa]

If you got insurance, who cares about diabeetus?

:happydance

Seriously though, I wonder if that icing could use some cream cheese.

I'm trying to understand the pound of powder sugar?

Creamcheese? I don't know.

Cream Cheese is Jediwill's department.

He uses that to make his Ultra Banana Pudding

I don't want to mess with Jito's recipes. He accused me of sacrilege for wanting to put BANG energy drink instead of the REAL THING. :heeheehee

[2theX]

So how did we get from a tithing post to a recipe forum..lol

[Esaias]

Just my 2 cents but; I'm not understanding why people in here post a lot senseless jokes and comments on someone else's posted comment or question? It seems to me it would be more appropriate to keep comments somewhat relevant or close as possible to the subject of a thread. I'm sure jokes have their place. Im not trying offend anyone, (but I probably will) its just that it is really difficult to follow the comments that are relevant to the main subject. Maybe you guys doing it could start a post with a joke if you want to share jokes and cake recipes ; )

Possibly because we were all having a conversation. When you sit down and talk with people do you demand everyone "stick to the topic"?

[2theX]

Sure, I guess if thats what this forums about then ok. Joke on brother.

[2theX]

You seem like your blowing the guy off his own posting..seems somewhat disrespectful of the guy regardless of you agree with him or not.
Have a nice evening though bro. God bless

[Esaias]

You seem like your blowing the guy off his own posting..seems somewhat disrespectful of the guy regardless of you agree with him or not.
Have a nice evening though bro. God bless

Stay on topic then.

[Ferd]

I am sure your pastor is happy because you remember more about his sermon than I remember about any sermon including the ones ive preached.

[Evang.Benincasa]

You seem like your blowing the guy off his own posting..seems somewhat disrespectful of the guy regardless of you agree with him or not.
Have a nice evening though bro. God bless

I thought they believed tithing was about food?

So, we are talking about grub.

It also seems to be a less combative subject.

But hey, this is a forum about religion, so combat is where it usually ends up.

yet, we all have to always keep in mind that at least we no longer get dragged away and stoned to death. No more being tied to a stake and burned with our own postings.

Tithed Wonton and an anchovy pizza, with bacon slices?

[Evang.Benincasa]

I am sure your pastor is happy because you remember more about his sermon than I remember about any sermon including the ones ive preached.

I bet people remember your gumbo! :happydance

[Ferd]

I bet people remember your gumbo! :happydance

they even like my vegetarian gumbo... even meat eaters...

[Evang.Benincasa]

they even like my vegetarian gumbo... even meat eaters...

Sacrilegious!!!!!

Say not so bro, Gumbo has to have skrimps, sausage, crawfish. :thumbsup