It's Your Fault People Are Homosexual by Emma

[Emma Bontrager]

Women Who Wear Pants: Its Your Fault People are Homosexual!

Yes, my friends, I’m sorry to say, this is true. I am going to prove it to you!

We all know that the scripture says Deut. 22:5 “The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth to a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment; for all that do so are an abomination to the Lord.”

In his book, Practical Holiness: A Second Look, David Bernard says not only that men should wear attire that is distinctively male but he defines this for all people everywhere. We know that D.K. Bernard is the authority on this subject for all men and women in all times. “In applying the foregoing concepts, we can draw several important biblical principles and make practical applications for today... Men should not wear attire that is distinctively female, which for Western clothing means dresses and skirts. Women should not wear attire that is distinctively male, which for Western clothing means trousers, slacks or pants.” (Practical Holiness: A Second Look, David K. Bernard, pg. 173) Here D.K. Bernard defines pants as distinctively male, so we know it is true!

What is the purpose of this scriptural principle?

“God designed it to prevent certain moral evils such as the blurring of sexual roles and homosexuality.” (Practical Holiness: A Second Look, D.K. Bernard, pg. 179)

If dresses are the only expression of Deut 22:5 allowed for women, and we know they are, and you know A + B = C…the conclusion is…….

Yes, YOU are at fault for homosexuality if you as a woman wear pants.

Repent, my friends. The end is near.

[n david]

I'm going to re-write it as Emma.
Do you have multiple personalities, or what? Why do people on AFF have multiple accounts anyway? Seriously, if you can't be yourself and post as yourself, you probably shouldn't post whatever you wanted to post.

Good grief.

[LOVE JESUS]

Just curious, what kind of clothing did they have back in Lot's day? Were the women wearing pants back then? I don't even think the men were. I have not had on a pair of pants in 55 years so I am not trying to defend wearing them. If it were so important why is it not covered in Jesus' writings for today. The only scripture that I know of is women in modest apparel. If we are going to get technical about it, men's shirts are like a woman's blouse. Neckties are like women's scarves. BTW, I can remember preachers preaching against neckties probably 65 years ago. They also preached against colored shirts (I don't know what scripture they used for that one). There was probably a time they preached against cuff links.

[jediwill83]

Lol we could say that shaving makes a man look more effeminate.

[Emma Bontrager]

Lol we could say that shaving makes a man look more effeminate.

And you would be right too!

[Amanah]

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[Jermyn Davidson]

smh...

[Evang.Benincasa]

Do you have multiple personalities, or what? Why do people on AFF have multiple accounts anyway? Seriously, if you can't be yourself and post as yourself, you probably shouldn't post whatever you wanted to post.

Good grief.

I really think Emma Bootstinker listened way to much to the Plasmatics when she was young. :D

[Evang.Benincasa]

Just curious, what kind of clothing did they have back in Lot's day?

Everyone wore bathrobes like the ones at a Holiday Inn.



Were the women wearing pants back then?

Yes, they wore Wranglers, and Tony Lama boots.



I don't even think the men were.

You are correct, men walked around dressed like Emma Bootsniffer.

They only spoke German, and had very long uncut beards. Instead of wearing the upside down Chinese take out food box like Emma wears, they wore helmets with long bull horns. They sailed in big ships around the world. They had huge speakers on their ships and only played Led Zeppelin.


I have not had on a pair of pants in 55 years

Do you wear a barrel instead?


so I am not trying to defend wearing them.

No one has to defend Wrangler, he's one tough customer!


If it were so important why is it not covered in Jesus' writings for today.

Because the apostles knew people like Emma Bullfighter was going to need something to do with her spare time. So, the purposely left it out of the Bible. Moses wrote down a little something in Deuteronomy.


The only scripture that I know of is women in modest apparel.

That's really talking about Donald Trump's wife being the Antichrist.


If we are going to get technical about it, men's shirts are like a woman's blouse. Neckties are like women's scarves.

You know, I thought Snoopy was a crossdresser when he would fight the Red Baron. That helmet and googles didn't fool me. That flowing scarf gave it all away. Thank you for pointing all that out. I will sleep better tonight.


BTW, I can remember preachers preaching against neckties probably 65 years ago.

Hey, I remember 24 years ago a preacher preaching against black people being saved. He preached since they were the line of the serpent. That the serpent had relationship with Eve. She produced Cain, and Cain's offspring line went through Noah and produced Ham? I spoke with him after the service. I then asked him if he had many head injuries when he was younger? He assured me he didn't. I just raised one eyebrow, and smirked. He then went silent for a second and then said, "hey, wait a minute! Are you mocking me?!" I looked at him and then at my watch. I then told him that I wondered how long it would take for him to figure that out. :)


They also preached against colored shirts (I don't know what scripture they used for that one).

I have white shirts, and I have word to back it up! Revelation 6:11. :yahoo


There was probably a time they preached against cuff links.

Emma Boatranger's people preach against buttons, zippers, and shoelaces.

You might see their men walking around town holding their pants up with one hand. It was a fad for awhile with young men around the United States

[jediwill83]

Of COURSE neckties are scriptural! How else will God know who to pour His annointing on?

[Emma Bontrager]

Of COURSE neckties are scriptural! How else will God know who to pour His annointing on?

Neckties are cloth necklaces.

[Esaias]

Neckties are cloth necklaces.

What's funny is I actually tend to agree with this.

:heeheehee

Now, since when did Amish folks start posting on the internet? Must be one of them liberal Not-So-Old Order types.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Neckties are cloth necklaces.

This from a woman who wears a white fencing mask on the back of her head. :heeheehee

[Aquila]

A person's sexuality is not determined by what they wear. People come out of the closet all the time, even after dressing rather conservatively all their lives.

People are gay because we're ALL born sinners. Our flesh has sinful impulses and desires that cater to various pleasures, fullness, and comfort. Sin has warped us down to our very DNA. Sexuality is complicated because it is both biological and emotional, affected by (and affecting) both body and soul (psyche). Therefore, sexual interests, desires, needs, and proclivities can be related to both genetics and/or one's psychological makeup.

It has very little to do with the clothes one wears.

And changing one's wardrobe doesn't change one's sexuality. One must experience regeneration in their inner man (spirit), under go the renewing of their mind (soul) through prayer, study, and meditation, and discipline their flesh (body) and it's desires. And yes, it is possible for one's fallen flesh to desire that which is contrary to the abiding nature of the Spirit that is present in one's inner man. This is the war between flesh and spirit. The battlefront is the mind (soul). To which prompting will one surrender their will, reason, and emotions? This is why it is so important to be immersed in the study of Scripture, applying prayer, and contemplative meditation to what is written. In doing this, the mind (soul) is renewed and we can strengthen our will to discipline the flesh and bring both bod and soul in alignment with the indwelling Spirit of God.

[madras]

People are gay because we're ALL born sinners. Our flesh has sinful impulses and desires that cater to various pleasures, fullness, and comfort. Sin has warped us down to our very DNA.

Are you saying that people are born homosexual?

[LOVE JESUS]

I hope you are trying to be funny and not sarcastic. LOL Didn't understand the part about the barrel.

Everyone wore bathrobes like the ones at a Holiday Inn.




Yes, they wore Wranglers, and Tony Lama boots.




You are correct, men walked around dressed like Emma Bootsniffer.

They only spoke German, and had very long uncut beards. Instead of wearing the upside down Chinese take out food box like Emma wears, they wore helmets with long bull horns. They sailed in big ships around the world. They had huge speakers on their ships and only played Led Zeppelin.



Do you wear a barrel instead?



No one has to defend Wrangler, he's one tough customer!



Because the apostles knew people like Emma Bullfighter was going to need something to do with her spare time. So, the purposely left it out of the Bible. Moses wrote down a little something in Deuteronomy.



That's really talking about Donald Trump's wife being the Antichrist.



You know, I thought Snoopy was a crossdresser when he would fight the Red Baron. That helmet and googles didn't fool me. That flowing scarf gave it all away. Thank you for pointing all that out. I will sleep better tonight.



Hey, I remember 24 years ago a preacher preaching against black people being saved. He preached since they were the line of the serpent. That the serpent had relationship with Eve. She produced Cain, and Cain's offspring line went through Noah and produced Ham? I spoke with him after the service. I then asked him if he had many head injuries when he was younger? He assured me he didn't. I just raised one eyebrow, and smirked. He then went silent for a second and then said, "hey, wait a minute! Are you mocking me?!" I looked at him and then at my watch. I then told him that I wondered how long it would take for him to figure that out. :)



I have white shirts, and I have word to back it up! Revelation 6:11. :yahoo



Emma Boatranger's people preach against buttons, zippers, and shoelaces.

You might see their men walking around town holding their pants up with one hand. It was a fad for awhile with young men around the United States

[Aquila]

Are you saying that people are born homosexual?

I'm saying that people are born with innate sinful tendencies or impulses that are a part of the fallen nature of our flesh. It's not just homosexuality. Someone might be born with an innate propensity for violence, addiction, gambling, promiscuity, etc. You can even see patterns in families, and even in people who were adopted and had no contact with their biological families. Sin has warped us down to the very level of our DNA. For example, all aging, sickness, disease, and eventual death is connected to our DNA and genetic makeup. Sin has poisoned the waters of our very being.

As Paul put it...

Romans 7:18
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

However, we know that there can be healing and that the abiding presence of the Holy Spirit can empower us to overcome the flesh one day at a time.

[madras]

A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I hope you are trying to be funny and not sarcastic. LOL Didn't understand the part about the barrel.

No, just my humor, everyone knows when I'm being sarcastic.

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[n david]

No, just my humor, everyone knows when I'm being sarcastic.

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#fail

:lol

[Aquila]

A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.

It isn't that easy. Many have twisted up the notion that being "born" with an innate sinful proclivity such as homosexuality is the same as arguing that it isn't a "sin". When a gay person says, "I was born this way.", I typically answer, "We're all born sinners, my friend."

[jediwill83]

It isn't that easy. Many have twisted up the notion that being "born" with an innate sinful proclivity such as homosexuality is the same as arguing that it isn't a "sin". When a gay person says, "I was born this way.", I typically answer, "We're all born sinners, my friend."


Ok here goes some sacred cows.

Help me Jeebus...

God set into motion His entire creation and He commanded Adam and Eve to "Be fruitful and multiply."

So He gave two perfect beings the ability to self replicate and said,"I made you, now you scamper off and make more of yourselves."

Meaning that the process of replication was now separated from the involvement of God.

God doesn't micromanage His creation...He made it with the ability to function autonomously.

Sin enters the picture.

So now we have two corrupted creations still with the ability to make babies...Sinful babies...babies infected by the curse of sin.

Does God make sinful babies?

No

We do.

If God was responsible for making babies, that means His power would be at the mercy of every act of fornication, adultery, or rape.

Therefore, the argument that,"I was born gay, or trans", I'm like ,"Ok, I was born a sinner too."

When they say,"Well God made me this way and God doesn't make mistakes" I say,"God didn't make you....Your parents did...parents under the curse of sin that have now transmitted the curse to you."

"Why did God create all the starving kids in Africa?????"

He didn't...Their parents did and they did it using the process He gave us to do so.

"My baby was born with all these illnesses and God doesn't make mistakes so that must mean that it's His will!"

Nope, it's a result of the fall, and that illness isn't Gods will...He didn't create them like that and He didn't give them that.

So what is the answer?

The answer is that we blame God for a lot of things that isn't His fault. God didn't make you a certain way just so He could heal you or deliver you from the way that He made you. That's crazy talk.

The blind man healed by Jesus....The disciples asked,"Who sinned? Him or his parents?"

Jesus responded,"Neither, but this was that the works of God may be made manifest."

Notice that He did not say that the blindness was a work of God...

Anyway I'm half asleep...Sorry for the ramble.

[mfblume]

Ok here goes some sacred cows.

Help me Jeebus...

God set into motion His entire creation and He commanded Adam and Eve to "Be fruitful and multiply."

So He gave two perfect beings the ability to self replicate and said,"I made you, now you scamper off and make more of yourselves."

Meaning that the process of replication was now separated from the involvement of God.

God doesn't micromanage His creation...He made it with the ability to function autonomously.

Sin enters the picture.

So now we have two corrupted creations still with the ability to make babies...Sinful babies...babies infected by the curse of sin.

Does God make sinful babies?

No

We do.

If God was responsible for making babies, that means His power would be at the mercy of every act of fornication, adultery, or rape.

Therefore, the argument that,"I was born gay, or trans", I'm like ,"Ok, I was born a sinner too."

When they say,"Well God made me this way and God doesn't make mistakes" I say,"God didn't make you....Your parents did...parents under the curse of sin that have now transmitted the curse to you."

"Why did God create all the starving kids in Africa?????"

He didn't...Their parents did and they did it using the process He gave us to do so.

"My baby was born with all these illnesses and God doesn't make mistakes so that must mean that it's His will!"

Nope, it's a result of the fall, and that illness isn't Gods will...He didn't create them like that and He didn't give them that.

So what is the answer?

The answer is that we blame God for a lot of things that isn't His fault. God didn't make you a certain way just so He could heal you or deliver you from the way that He made you. That's crazy talk.

The blind man healed by Jesus....The disciples asked,"Who sinned? Him or his parents?"

Jesus responded,"Neither, but this was that the works of God may be made manifest."

Notice that He did not say that the blindness was a work of God...

Anyway I'm half asleep...Sorry for the ramble.

:thumbsup

Some one tells me they're born gay, I do not believe it since no one is born gay... they're usually victims of gay child abuse.... but I said YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN!

[madras]

:thumbsup

Some one tells me they're born gay, I do not believe it since no one is born gay... they're usually victims of gay child abuse.... but I said YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN!

Do you agree with the premise that babies are sinful because of the parents (nurture) and not because of Adam's transgression (nature)?

[mfblume]

Do you agree with the premise that babies are sinful because of the parents (nurture) and not because of Adam's transgression (nature)?

I believe infants are born with the force of sin in them by Adam's ingestion of the fruit of the knowledge of good and devil. And when they come to the age of accountability... able to decide... they will sin.

[Aquila]

jediwill83, I see it like this...

God creates a perfect creation with two perfect human beings. They are perfect in every way. Their bodies are biologically prepared to live forever. Their souls are rather naïve, seeing they are not yet a week old. However, they have full capabilities of reason. Spiritually, they are in union with God. All is well.

Then... the serpent tempts them and they sin.

The first thing that happens is on the spiritual level. God is holy, and so by sinning now the spiritual union they had with God is now severed (spiritual death). This triggers an awareness of this severing to their minds (the soul), now they feel fear and shame. Something has changed. Something has gone tragically wrong. God curses the serpent, Eve, and finally Adam. They are driven from the garden and cut off from the tree of life, which would have provided what their bodies needed for eternal life.

Now that they are cut off from eternal life, their bodies begin to change. Hormones are released triggering processes relating to aging, susceptibility to disease and infection, and chemical reactions in the brain that affect their moods are now less balanced/controlled and are more volatile. These chemical reactions make them susceptible to depression and numerous other neurological conditions. Dopamine and the brain's reaction to it activates a network of extensive pleasure sensors that cause them to be more disposed to seeking pleasure and comfort. Being cut off from the tree of life and their union with God, biologically speaking they are becoming... animals.

This condition is causing a chain reaction of innumerable bio-genetic changes that spread down to their very DNA. The genetic sequencing of their chromosomes has now changed to such a degree that all these changes will become the innate condition of their progeny.

One of the many things that these changes have done is... these changes opened them up to having children with genetic defects. These genetic defects can have a profound effect on the condition of their children and their children's children. These defects range from any number of defects affecting physiological development to biochemical development. And as a result... even children who look relatively normal could have significant biochemical issues that affect their neurological system and emotions.

Genetics, being as they are, also appear to carry some degree of "genetic memory". Actions, events, trauma, etc. that significantly effect or altar the biochemical elements of the brain become encoded in their genetic sequencing... thereby passing such information down to their descendants genetically in a series of genetic switches that just need to be activated to wreak their havoc.

Now, their flesh craves pleasure, comfort, fullness, and has an innate sense of self preservation that supersedes almost all other impulses. Now, actions and events that have caused them great pleasure, or even great trauma, are passed down to their children, making their children and their children's children bear the burdens of their ancestors.

Their flesh is like a wild beast that desires pleasure, comfort, and fullness without regard for anything. Biologically speaking, they have become... the human animal.

However, they are unique to animals. They have a soul (combination of reason, will, and emotion - or "self"). They also still have a soul that is cut off from God. Now one must exercise will to over come the impulses of the flesh. Having the "spirit" (or "inner man") regenerated helps to strengthen that will and more readily overcome the desires of the flesh.

[Aquila]

Here's a problem. If we say that someone isn't born gay, then we say it is a "choice". Now, there is always a "choice" with relation to acting on our desires or impulses. However, there isn't always a choice in relation to what those desires and impulses are.

For example, I'm straight. I have always been straight. Women turn me on. Females have turned me on since my first glance at a lingerie add at about 11 years old. I couldn't "choose" to be gay if I wanted to, my body wouldn't "respond" with enough arousal response to even perform the act. So, being gay wouldn't be a choice for me. I'm be repulsed.

Gay people report something similar. They have always been gay. Since puberty the same gender turns them on. Many fight this impulse and live as straight people virtually forcing themselves to perform sexually with the opposite sex, even within the confines of a marriage. But the truth is, they are gay and always have been.

Sexologists tell us that sexuality is a spectrum and most people fall somewhere in between being 100% straight or 100% gay. But as you get to each side of the spectrum it becomes less and less likely that one will respond to sexual stimuli from the opposite end of the spectrum. However, in the areas of the spectrum closer to the middle, a person is more likely to respond to either gender sexually, indicating a greater propensity for bisexuality. Dead center would be 100% bisexual, meaning one could freely choose either male or female with the same level of preference and satisfaction. Thus the only people that could conceive of one's sexuality being a choice are those who are... closer to the bisexual area (or middle) of the spectrum.

That's why I tend to laugh at people who insist that it is a choice. Because clearly in their minds such a choice is possible. In a way, they're telling on themselves. LOL!

[Aquila]

:thumbsup

Some one tells me they're born gay, I do not believe it since no one is born gay... they're usually victims of gay child abuse.... but I said YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN!

Actually, there are significant numbers of people who were raised in conservative religious homes that still come out as being gay, though they were never abused.

However, this is a complex issue. Those who were abused might very well perpetuate their abuse through same sex attraction. So, I'd say that abuse is definitely a "factor", but it isn't a factor in every case.

There are multiple factors beyond abuse to consider.

One is genetics...

For example, the blind studies using pheromones and the brain's biochemical response. Those who self identified as being gay or straight were given strips of cotton. Each strip of cotton had a sample of either female or male pheromones on them. The brains of those who identified themselves as straight biochemically responded to the strips with pheromones from the opposite genders. The brains of those who identified as gay biochemically responded to the strips with pheromones from the same gender. Please understand, this was a blind study. The individuals in the study had no idea what the study was even for, let alone what they were being asked to smell.

In essence, as it relates to gay people, the biochemical responses of the brain triggers the centers of the brain that make the same gender smell more appealing. This is related to genetics. Something is all twisted up here in gay people. Their brain has wires crossed somewhere causing the brain to respond pleasurably to the same gender.

Another factor is what is called genetic memory...

Child psychologists discovered a disproportionate number of children of 9/11 survivors suffering from PTSD relating to loud noises, falling, falling debris, fear of flying, etc.. The problem was, most of these children were not even conceived until after 9/11. Thus the question was, why are these children suffering from PTSD relating to an event they never personally experienced? Studies began to reveal a pattern. Parents in traumatic circumstances long before the conception of their children had a higher rate of their children having fear or PTSD response relating to similar events. For example, a woman is attacked by several dogs. Five years later, she has a child. That child has an irrational fear of unfamiliar dogs. Also, there appeared to be a greater percentage of children who responded to circumstances relating to events that happened to their mothers than their fathers. They even found that certain aversions, fears, and phobias can be found within specific groups of people. For example, Scott-Irish people whose ancestors who experienced the great potato famine have higher rates of thyroid disorders and conditions relating to the storage of body fat. It is almost as though their bodies remember the famine and is in survival mode.

So, they performed a number of different experiments. One involved shocking lab rats. Everyone loves shocking lab rats, right? So this example will be entertaining. lol What the scientists did was they bred a generation of lab rats. They separated the male and female lab rats and verified that no females were pregnant. They then periodically filled the cage with the scent of rose petals... and began shocking rats. lol They did this several times to make sure they made a deep impression on the rats. So deep in fact, that when they began filling their cages with the scent of rose petals... the rats would flee and hide to avoid being shocked. Then the scientists stopped the process. They allowed the mice time to calm down, because they were rather fearful of any intrusion into their cages. After the rats calmed down and seemed to be behaving normally, they integrated the males and females. These rats sired a new generation of rats together. Once these baby rats were old enough to be separated from their parents they isolated them. The filled their cages with various new scents. These rats responded inquisitively to each new scent. However, when they released the scent of rose petals... over half of these baby rats who had never smelled the scent of rose petals before, and had never experienced being shocked after smelling the scent of rose petals, began fleeing for cover. Heart rates jumped and panic response activated.

How in the world did this new generation of rats associate the scent of rose petals with danger? It appeared to differ when only the mother or father experienced the scent associated shockings. If only the mother was shocked, over half responded to the scent of rose petals. If only the father was shocked it was under half. Those rats who were never exposed to the scent of rose petals or shocked... their children had no panic response at all.

Somehow the traumatic experiences of the parent rats were being passed down to their baby rats. The believe that the biochemical responses in their brains not only altered brain chemistry (as PTSD does), but it also effected their genetic make up, building "switches" into their genetic sequence that are passed down to their children. Under the right conditions, these "switches" are activated and a panic response based on an event that never happened to them is the result. Scientists believe that this is not only absolutely fascinating, but that it is an absolutely necessary biological function to ensure the survival of a species. A way to ensure that proceeding generations have a built in survival reflex should they face what their parents faced.

They also found that as they get further from the original generation of mice who were indeed shocked, fewer and fewer of the proceeding generations appear to be so easily triggered. But the response lingers in the minority... and can even skip generations.

Now, this could have an impact on human sexuality. Because it may not be that a given gay person was abused... it could be that a parent, grandparent, or great grandparent was abused. It could be that at some point a parent, grandparent, or another ancestor had a rather traumatic or extremely "wild" experience that left such a deep impression, that their genes passed down the genetic memory of the event and as a result, it is affecting a present generation's sexuality.

Scientists are starting to find that our genetics are much like play dough, they can be shaped and effected by a number of life experiences, and that the impressions left from these experiences can be passed down to proceeding generations.

There are other factors too... but I found these the most interesting.

[Aquila]

The point is this, the idea that we're all born with a clean and sinless slate, without sinful impulses, or any effects from the sins and experiences of our ancestors is poppycock.

The fall has indeed messed us up to such a degree that even our very genetic make up is saturated with sin, pain, and injury.

If you have something strange that you struggle with - an irrational fear, phobia, compulsive behavior, sexual deviance, or the like... investigate your family tree. Try to dig up all the dirty little secrets nobody has talked about in generations. The likelihood is rather high that you'll discover that you bear the curse of the sins of our ancestors, or the scars of their trauma and abuse.

[Aquila]

Ever notice that you don't have to teach children to hit, bite, harm, scratch, fight, scream, demand, become enraged, etc.? However, you do have to diligently teach them not to harm, fight, scream, demand, become enraged, and such like?

You're battling that ol' fallen and sinful nature of their flesh.

Don't believe me? If they aren't born with a fallen sinful nature, choose NOT to discipline them. No punishments or spankings for things they do wrong. And after 18 years examine the product you've allowed to develop.

This is why the Bible tells us that if we spare the rod, we hate our children. Because they need the discipline to help them overcome their innate sinful impulses.

[Aquila]

Here' are some Bible verses that describe our sinful nature:

Galatians 5:24
Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

Notice, this verse clearly implies that our "flesh" has sinful passions and desires that must be crucified through an act of our will to impose this crucifixion.

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

You'll notice that these actions are described as "deeds of the flesh". That means that they are innate tendencies of the flesh. The verse goes on to state that those who give into these tendencies and practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.


Ephesians 2:3
Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.

Here we are told that we previously lived in the "lusts of our flesh" (or "desires of our flesh"), indulging in the desires of our "flesh" and of our unregenerate minds, and were therefore BY NATURE children of wrath.

Romans 13:14
But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts.

He are admonished to identify ourselves with Jesus Christ, choosing to live incarnationally as our Lord, and make no allowance for our flesh in regards to its desires. Yes, the flesh has innate desires all of its own.

Galatians 5:17
For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.

Here we read of some ontological aspects of our humanity. We read how the flesh has desires that are contrary to the indwelling Spirit, and how the indwelling Spirit has desires that are against the flesh. Each having a contrary nature with contrary innate desires. It is because of this battle between two natures within us that we continue to struggle with being sinless.

Romans 8:5-9
For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

Here is more human ontology. Here we read about how the mind that is set on the flesh (a mind set on pleasing the flesh and it's desires) is hostile towards God, and doesn't subject itself to God's will. In fact, it can't please God as long as it is determined to please the desires of the flesh. However, we are not in the flesh but in the Spirit. It is through the promptings of the Spirit that we deny the flesh and renew our minds through the study, meditation, and contemplation of the Word. This arms us in overcoming the flesh and it's desires when they arise.

Romans 7:5
For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death.

This explains how the Law actually activates, or arouses, the desires and passions of the flesh. The moment the Law stipulates that we "shalt not" do something, there is the innate tendency in our flesh to fixate on what we can't do and desire it.

I illustrated this back when I taught Sunday school. I had my wife bake a plate of home made chocolate-chip and sugar cookies. Oh, they smelled so good and were so nice and warm. I put the plat on the table right in front of a group of 6 and 7 year olds. I had them look at it and smell it. Then I said, "But you can't have any. At least, not right now. We're going to go down to the Sunday school office and get some supplies. We'll be gone for about 10 minutes. No matter what, I don't want any of you to even touch these cookies." They answered, "Okay, Bro. Chris." We stepped outside the door and gave it a few seconds. We then peeked through the little window of the door and watched the kids. They were up and smelling the cookies. One kid even touched one with a finger. A little girl picked one up and began acting like she was going to eat it. Another child broke off a little piece of another cookie and ate it. Then the little girl who had a cookie in hand took a bite, and broke off pieces for other kids who were requesting a bite. A boy picked up another cookie and began breaking it up for himself and the other kids. They totally caved in and ate two cookies! Then they began to get concerned. You could see that they were scared and discussing what to do. We had to duck and cover because one child came to the door to see if we were in sight. After they closed the door, we returned to the little window. They were in the middle of re-arranging the cookies, trying to make it look like none were missing! LOL

Now, that little law demonstrated perfectly how the flesh is provoked. Here's the kicker, we had brought in cookies before and stepped away without saying a word. The kids eyed them, but didn't fixate on them, touch, or eat them. It was only after I gave them a law that their little brains fixated on the cookies, and the desire of their flesh was activated in full force.

It never fails. Tell a kid to calm down, or else someone is going to get hurt or kicked... 10 second later you hear the little sister say, "Ow! You kicked me!!!" If you tell them to not touch something, within record timing, they touch it. If you tell them to back away from the edge... they get as close as they can and peer over the side.

This rebellious impulse to do contrary to what is told to you is an innate part of our sinful nature. Law enforcement even has entire systems of investigation that takes this human trait into account when investigating the clues of a crime. By considering what is human nature to do when in various situations, they can uncover clues and recreate the scene of a crime quite well.

[Aquila]

Interesting article on genetic memory:

Genetic Memory: How We Know Things We Never Learned
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/genetic-memory-how-we-know-things-we-never-learned/

[Evang.Benincasa]

I believe infants are born with the force of sin in them by Adam's ingestion of the fruit of the knowledge of good and devil. And when they come to the age of accountability... able to decide... they will sin.

I believe it is more that when man is left to his own carnal desires and without God, you have the recipe for disaster.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Emma her are your relatives?

Are they backslid?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgvdW-YiH-c&ab_channel=bontragerfirstborn

[Esaias]

Emma her are your relatives?

Are they backslid?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgvdW-YiH-c&ab_channel=bontragerfirstborn

They must be on Rumspringa.

[Emma Bontrager]

Emma her are your relatives?

Are they backslid?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgvdW-YiH-c&ab_channel=bontragerfirstborn

Yes, they are backslid, the whole lot of them.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Yes, they are backslid, the whole lot of them.

Emma do you still pluck your whiskers on your chin?

If God placed them there, shouldn't you just leave them?

[mfblume]

I believe it is more that when man is left to his own carnal desires and without God, you have the recipe for disaster.

I think it's all the same thing. Otherwise, someone would succeed without sinning.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I think it's all the same thing. Otherwise, someone would succeed without sinning.

Success is only through the blood.

Being nicer than Jesus, and keeping the law blamelessly wasn't salvation.

It was accepting the One who was all and everything which was written in the book front and back. Cain brought sacrifices of his finest fruits of his labor. Yet were rejected. Because He didn't know Him. Everyone would say, these people actually held court with God? Sin God once winked at, and back in those days it was pretty rough. But now He requires all to KNOW Him. :)