Church For Men

[jwharv]

www.churchformen.com (http://churchformen.com/index.php)


What do you think of this site?

[jwharv]

"You may think that the church is too male-dominated, harsh and legalistic. Some churches are this way – but far more common are comforting churches where the real agenda is making everyone feel loved, accepted, and busy. While there’s nothing wrong with this lineup, it’s not going to get many men out of bed on a Sunday morning.

Men are absenting themselves from church because they cannot function in a feminine environment. We might as well invite men to a baby shower. Men know that church is not for them; that’s why it’s earned a reputation as a place for little old ladies of both genders."


A quote from this site....................

[jwharv]

The Man who runs this site has written a book "WHy Men Hate Going To Church". Has anyone read it?

[Trouvere]

Hi Harv,
I remember having a discussion on this subject.I haven't seen the site listed before though.The idealogy looks good brother Harv but the Mothers Day thing is over the top.
Masculizing Mothers Day?????? Not a good idea.What do they paint the wall camo???

[Sherri]

The Man who runs this site has written a book "WHy Men Hate Going To Church". Has anyone read it?
I haven't seen the site, but my husband read the book. He said it's pretty insightful really. Think about most churches today....the female population usually outweighs the male, especially in Pentecostal circles. (And I didn't mean OUTWEIGH literally, although that may be true as well!!). Women are more emotional and more easily moved by the Spirit, I think. Men have to be in some kind of crisis it seems, to feel that they need God.

[Steve Epley]

A teaching church draws more men than a singspiration church. I have always had a church filled with men. Strength draws stength. Men don't want a wishy washy no black or white all gray church. They like absolutes and authority. It is a MAN thing!

I told the church the other day "Ladies if you are looking for a 'warm-sensitive-listening-nuturing-man he just ran off with another man!"

It is a MAN thing. Work-sweat-leading-protecting-bull headedness-and yes loving that is a MAN. Not some wimpy-honey please-I feel your pain that screams if dirt gets under his fingernails-never has a drop of sweat-never says THIS IS HOW IT IS!

It is a MAN thing.

[Ronzo]

I told the church the other day "Ladies if you are looking for a 'warm-sensitive-listening-nuturing-man he just ran off with another man!"



Nice....

[Michlow]

I haven't seen the site, but my husband read the book. He said it's pretty insightful really. Think about most churches today....the female population usually outweighs the male, especially in Pentecostal circles. (And I didn't mean OUTWEIGH literally, although that may be true as well!!). Women are more emotional and more easily moved by the Spirit, I think. Men have to be in some kind of crisis it seems, to feel that they need God.

:killinme

[Malvaro]

there was an entire thread devoted to this book on NFCF.... not that we could go back and read it, of course....

[jwharv]

I told the church the other day "Ladies if you are looking for a 'warm-sensitive-listening-nuturing-man he just ran off with another man!"




Bro Epley, you just made my list of Favorite Quotes!!!! :lol:lol

[OP_Carl]

www.churchformen.com (http://churchformen.com/index.php)


What do you think of this site?

I can relate.

And Elder Epley is right: I find bible study night to frequently be the most stimulating.

[jwharv]

Why men flock to Islam

One evening I was speaking to a group in upstate New York. I posed the rhetorical question, “Why do men flock to Islam, while avoiding Christianity?” I didn’t expect an answer, but one woman blurted out, “If Christianity required women to walk behind their husbands and wear burquas, then we’d have a church full of men.”

So is that why Islam is the world’s fastest growing religion? Must a religion oppress women to attract men? Why do men flock to Islam, while avoiding Christianity? I posed this question to David DeMeo, professor of Middle Eastern and Arabic studies at Harvard. I sum up his response this way: Islam is a religion that delivers results for men. Too often, Christianity does not.

According to Professor DiMeo, “Islam is a religion that produces results. Islam promises to give you a family immune from divorce, teen pregnancy, drug and alcohol addiction. The statistics bear this out. A man looking to shepherd his family today notices that Muslim girls don't go around in halter-tops and navel rings and their women don't watch "Desperate Housewives."

“Because Islam delivers what fathers and husbands want for their families, strong men gravitate toward it. Therefore, it becomes male heavy,” DiMeo says.

The professor believes that Islam’s emphasis on responsibility and accountability is attractive to men. “It does impose clear behavioral demands and hold men to task,” he said. “These are primarily in areas that society today bemoans a lack of responsibility - alcohol, sex, parenting, etc. I think this explains why the religion is growing so much among populations that are seen as beset by moral crises in these areas — prisoners, lower economic classes, and minorities.

I agree with Professor DiMeo. Islam’s unbending moral code, its five pillars and even its reputation for ferocity are attractive to men at a gut level. A man thinks, “Here is a faith that’s going to hold me to a higher standard. Men are dying for this.” Furthermore, Islam appeals to the kind of man who is repulsed by the soft, accepting and relational faith pushed in many churches today.

So the question for Christianity is this: Can our faith “deliver” for men without oppressing women in the process? I believe it can. Here are some ideas:

1. A clear mission for every church. Most church mission statements are rambling and non-specific. Men are drawn to clarity and brevity. If they’re going to give up their weekend, they want to know why.

2. High moral standards. Men are looking for a church that’s different from the world they see on TV. This is why conservative churches are growing and liberal ones are dying. Few men are drawn to squishy morals. They want a church built on a firm, time-tested bedrock.

3. Men need help and backup enforcing morals at home. Children today are bombarded with immoral messages. Men feel powerless against MTV, South Park and the Internet. Churches should train men how to deal with these situations – how to say no to sin in a loving way.

4. Men need the support of other men. Most churches offer nothing in the way of men’s ministry or small groups. What a tragedy. Although it’s initially hard to engage men in a small group, once they do get involved, they’re usually hooked. Their faith deepens. Their lives change.

We don’t need to put women in burquas to bring men back to church. But we do need to deliver what we promise. Men need to know that Christianity works, at least as well as the alternatives.






I found this article on the website. Do you agree?

[OP_Carl]

Why men flock to Islam

I found this article on the website. Do you agree?

I read somewhere that people tend to thrive best in the religion in which they were raised.

I agree that what you pasted definitely applies to the carnal man. Surely you realize that these authors aren't Acts 2:38 Holy Ghost headbangers? What they are talking about is making a sales pitch to our flesh, i.e., our fallen nature.

And when it comes to competing with the muslims, they aren't playing on a level field without the regenerative powers of the Spirit. What do they have to offer? Business as usual. What do the muslims have to offer? Domination of multiple wives, and no more backtalk, and no more risk of losing your kids. It's not exactly rocket science to figure out which proposition is more appealing to the male ego and male flesh.

The Holy Ghost can keep a man through all things, including a feminized worship service.

Do I ever long for more out of my church? Sure I do!

But I also long for things I shouldn't, so I'm cautious about hastily acquiring things I've longed for.

[jwharv]

I read somewhere that people tend to thrive best in the religion in which they were raised.

I agree that what you pasted definitely applies to the carnal man. Surely you realize that these authors aren't Acts 2:38 Holy Ghost headbangers? What they are talking about is making a sales pitch to our flesh, i.e., our fallen nature.

And when it comes to competing with the muslims, they aren't playing on a level field without the regenerative powers of the Spirit. What do they have to offer? Business as usual. What do the muslims have to offer? Domination of multiple wives, and no more backtalk, and no more risk of losing your kids. It's not exactly rocket science to figure out which proposition is more appealing to the male ego and male flesh.

The Holy Ghost can keep a man through all things, including a feminized worship service.

Do I ever long for more out of my church? Sure I do!

But I also long for things I shouldn't, so I'm cautious about hastily acquiring things I've longed for.


I have seen this done in Acts 2:38 churches all my life. I have seen the "sales pitch" done in to many ways to count. In youth groups especialy. It was always lets use this to get them here and then try to get them saved.

[jwharv]

Hi Harv,
I remember having a discussion on this subject.I haven't seen the site listed before though.The idealogy looks good brother Harv but the Mothers Day thing is over the top.
Masculizing Mothers Day?????? Not a good idea.What do they paint the wall camo???


I think it was a great idea. Honestly wouldn't the greatest mothers day gift for a mother be to get her husband or sons saved. Like they said "Mother’s Day is one of the three big Sundays that unchurched men attend services (the others being Christmas and Easter)." Why not try to reach them when they least exspect it....................